You can access the web client from any connected machine and do it from there.
Also you can save the IP from the machine running it as a local DNS entry, something like pi.hole, so they can just type pi.hole/admin in the browser to access the dashboard
Adblockers block ads at the user level, meaning you have to manage the adblocker for each device in your ecosystem.
PiHole and similar DNS based ad blocking technologies OTOH block ads at the network level and only needs one install location to manage content for all devices you have on your network.
This means with PiHole you can have one set of custom rules that block all ads at the network level by using a set of pre-loaded and customizeable DNS blocklists. OR! you can install Ublock on 2 devices in your house and let the other 7 devices that have no access to adblockers (like IoT devices) be subject to the atrocity that is modern advertising.
Additionally, adblockers in browsers can eventually be shut off. See: Google Chrome and Ublock Origin.
But what does a pihole (which is DNS blocking) do that AdGuard's free public DNS (which is DNS blocking) doesn't? Of course uBlock Origin alongside them is better, but what's a pihole specifically doing?
Yes but there are public DNS servers that block blacklisted domains. I can set that as DNS in my router settings and it works the same as using pihole as a blacklisting DNS server, right?
Its both, actually. Ublock is client side and only available on Firefox, PiHole is network wide and available for anyone who can setup a simple DNS server.
Yeah, not having ads in the phone app, the TV app, the music app on the phone or in the browser is really nice, I love it. Also got that for all my friends and family.
how can I do it on the tv app? I have a Google tv and and a mibox and I absolutely hate watching youtube on those bc the fucking ads are over a minute long sometimes.
There’s an app for Google/Android tv called smart tube next. It’s pretty easy to install and works wonders. It’s made me use YouTube in my tv a lot more since I installed it.
+1 for Revanced. I did the switch recently and I only regret not having done it earlier. YouTube just have too many ads nowadays, it's not watchable without an ads blocking solution.
I downloaded revanced at one point, may even still have it installed. I've just found that a shortcut to YouTube.com on my home screen has worked great and I haven't felt like changing. what makes revanced better?
You can remove shorts, sponsor block built it, window player, background player, can change how the player works (double tap to seek, vol/brightness controls) enable/disable recommended embedded video links (tiles), can make video pause on notifications, sanitizes sharing links. There are 56 patches avail.
Revanced can also be used to patch other software like spotify, reddit, twitch and facebook
Most of the channels I know ask for donations via patreon or other funding platforms. I don't think youtube pays much except for maybe the top 1% of slop channels.
A lot more people make money than the top 1%. The top 1% make big money, but many more may not make a fortune, but it's a legit side hustle for them. Get into the right niche, and you can do VERY well.
In most cases, not all that much. YouTube is mainly useful for getting views and building an audience. It’s a combination of revenue sources like sponsors, merchandise, donations, etc., that really make it worthwhile for creators.
I go to my son's house, and start browsing through his streamers, and he's got all kinds of stuff I never see. They keep me boxed into the algorithm they've assigned to me, and wont let me see anything else, so I keep picking from their choices for me, which only locks me harder into their box.
I've tried to escape several times with no luck. I've deleted my entire history, views, comments, unsubscribed from channels, you name it. Within a day it looks like I never left.
WDYM by "browsing through"? As in, you get different search results? Or a different start page with suggested videos?
Maybe I'm weird, but I never use that. Either I have a specific need (an instruction video, a specific song or video episode). Then I use the search. Or I want to see what's new. Then I check the channels of creators I like.
If you use the platform like that (which is basically like Lemmy), it's a lot harder to algorithmically lock you in. (I only use third-party clients like FreeTube and Newpipe though, which block most types of tracking and don't require a Google account).
I mean the platforms suggestions for what their algorithm thinks you'll like. My son's suggestions look a lot different from mine. I'd like to see some of those kinds of suggestions on mine (mostly classic films), but I get lots of junk, so I end up watching junk, so it recommends more junk.
I want to get off this treadmill, and in to a different one.
I mean peer tube and similar exist. I think the majority of channels with over a 25k views, I don't think there's a consistant number anyone gets, but something like 100 bucks per 25k views or so is pretty common.
Peer tube uses webtorrents, which for many reasons haven't caught on. It's still mainly centralized nodes with massive hosting costs. Torrents are the fully decentralized answer.
That's basically google's main business. Their business is not in web search, video platform, mobile OS, email or AI, it's ad. People forget Google is an ad company, that uses any tool available to give you ad. If it's free and not open source, you are the product. Either to sell your attention and availability to companies through ads, or to use your data to do profiling, build a more vicious ad platform and sell your data on the side.
I've said this a few times in various places, but I'm really surprised we aren't allowed to bid for ad space for ourselves to not show an ad the way advertisers do for ads. Obviously a flat monthly rate is simpler, nobody is denying that, but just from a purely "free market" perspective (which shareholders love to say they want while using the government to crush opposition) why can't I pay slightly more than whatever small amount of money someone is paying to show me an ad to not see the ad?
Realistically I don't think we'll ever see that because it's a fairly complicated. I don't have any hard data, but I can't imagine that the majority of users using something like YouTube Premium are getting a "good deal." Sure, some folks probably watch all day every day and they get the better end of the deal, but I'd bet for a lot of folks YouTube makes more money off charging the subscription than they would showing the ads. Which is sort of an odd scenario we've gotten ourselves into (but amazing if you're a company that serves ads).
Not necessarily, like if it was YouTube you'd just deposit money and maybe set a maximum amount of money you're willing to bid. Honestly most standard banner ads are from Google too, so they could handle that. For streaming services you'd need to set it up for each individually, but that's no different from setting up billing for each of them. They wouldn't need to talk to each other.
Its a good idea but mentally people hate micro-transactions(transactions that are lower than 10cents) so they get mad every time its suggested. Plus its technically quite challenging to process those kind of transactions efficiently.
No I wouldnt prompt them at all because the costs would be so low. Even if you paid 5x what an ad pays you'd spend less than a dollar or two a week. But people hate the idea of paying half a cent when visiting a website or watching a youtube video because they think they either shouldnt have to or that it will eventually become $2 to vist that blog and $4 to watch that video and thats a horrible future.
I feel like you're not getting the vision. It would be the same process as subscribing, but money just gets drained from a pool per ad instead of a flat monthly fee. It's not something you're seeing a popup for. And it would never cost 5x what an ad costs. It would only ever cost $4 to watch a video without an ad if an advertiser was willing to spend $4 to show you an ad. To put that in perspective, ad impressions are bought in units of cpm which stands for cost per mille which is the amount they pay for one thousand impressions. That would be $4,000 cpm. That's absolutely insane. That's orders of magnitude more than what it is today. Nobody is ever going to spend that much to show you an ad unless it's some crazy profitable, super targeted, ultra niche campaign.
The whole point of this thought exercise is to explore what companies make in a month from ads versus what they charge for a month of ad free service. People bid for your attention. I think I should be able to bid for it myself instead of paying some opaque, flat rate per month.
@[email protected]@[email protected] They wouldn't make half as much money that way. And that would be okay, if it weren't because YouTube is a corporate piece of shit and needs to grow at infinite rate in order to exist.
Nebula sounds great until you use it... At least on Android, it buffers randomly for no reason, doesn't fallback onto audio-only if your screen is off, crashes, etc... it's just not very nice to use
Storing and serving videos is expensive, they have to pay for it somehow. Either you pay directly or someone else pays for you (through an Ad). I don't see why this is inherently a problem.
I can see arguments on if the specifics are a problem with how they're going about it, but the fundamentals make sense.
It always feels like YouTube is double dipping though. Not with what the post is about; that's either/or, obviously.
But Google makes a nice profit collecting user data and behavior, and then selling that to advertising companies. That happens regardless of using an adblocker, and I'd be shocked if it doesn't also happen regardless of YT premium.
But at the same time, Google also IS an advertising company; they use their user data collection platform to also show ads to users, getting paid again.
So personally, even if YT wasn't owned and operated by a shitstain of a capitalist eldritch horror company, I'd still have zero qualms blocking all their ads: they're making money off of me regardless.
Kinda makes sense tho. Either they earn money on you from ads or they make money from you because of subscription. Or you're like me and you still block the ads even though YouTube does everything it can to stop you.
I wouldn't really mind watching some ads before a video, but I don't wanna get constantly interrupted or have the ads track me everywhere. I tend to watch the in-video ads from creators tho, because most people I follow have relevant ads, funny ads, or ar the very least deserve some revenue.
Yes.
I signed up with Google Play Music All Access in its two month intro way back when. At the time it was $7.99mo for life. They included YouTube Red when that launched. Now after all the name changes and price hikes, I'm still locked in at $7.99. I'll keep it as long as that lasts.
Friend one day added me to his family plan because they had one space open. I'm still in the habit of always going to youtube in ways I can ad-block but am always pleasantly surprised when I go in the normal youtube app and I have no ads. I'll pay for the service though
You guys pay youtube?
PiHole exists!
Pihole does not stop youtube ads as they are served through youtube's domains. You need ublock or something like that.
DuckDuckGo player does pretty good.
Having everything connected to the router automatically get ad blocking is great.
I do wish the pihole was easier to use. I don't think my parents would be up for manually updating it via SSH in a console.
You can access the web client from any connected machine and do it from there.
Also you can save the IP from the machine running it as a local DNS entry, something like pi.hole, so they can just type pi.hole/admin in the browser to access the dashboard
Where do you enter the 'pihole -up' command in the web client?
Forreal I use pihole and I get ads. Is bro on something we don’t know about? Why say anything about pihole if you literally have never used it lol
Stupid question, but does pihole offer any substantial benefit over using a remote ad-blocking DNS like AdGuard or whatever?
They're basically the same thing
Please ignore the other two commenters.....
Adblockers block ads at the user level, meaning you have to manage the adblocker for each device in your ecosystem.
PiHole and similar DNS based ad blocking technologies OTOH block ads at the network level and only needs one install location to manage content for all devices you have on your network.
This means with PiHole you can have one set of custom rules that block all ads at the network level by using a set of pre-loaded and customizeable DNS blocklists. OR! you can install Ublock on 2 devices in your house and let the other 7 devices that have no access to adblockers (like IoT devices) be subject to the atrocity that is modern advertising.
Additionally, adblockers in browsers can eventually be shut off. See: Google Chrome and Ublock Origin.
But what does a pihole (which is DNS blocking) do that AdGuard's free public DNS (which is DNS blocking) doesn't? Of course uBlock Origin alongside them is better, but what's a pihole specifically doing?
I was pretty specific as to what advantages PiHole has over Ublock alone.
Please re-read the above comment and lmk if I can clarify anything.
He was asking about pi hole versus and AdGuard DNS.
And I was pretty specific about PiHole over AdGuard's public DNS. And to be honest, the person you originally replied to was as well.
Yes but there are public DNS servers that block blacklisted domains. I can set that as DNS in my router settings and it works the same as using pihole as a blacklisting DNS server, right?
It’s a good way to dip your toes into learning about Linux, self-hosting, and administering reliable services.
Functionally they are the same though.
Please see my comment parallel to yours.
This thread is about dns level blocking not client side blocking.
Its both, actually. Ublock is client side and only available on Firefox, PiHole is network wide and available for anyone who can setup a simple DNS server.
Yes. And the person I replied to was asking if running your own dns is somehow different than using an opinionated dns service. The answer is no.
I want to set one up someday. I just need to get around to it
Story of my life.....
Yeah, not having ads in the phone app, the TV app, the music app on the phone or in the browser is really nice, I love it. Also got that for all my friends and family.
Never paid YouTube a dime though :)
how can I do it on the tv app? I have a Google tv and and a mibox and I absolutely hate watching youtube on those bc the fucking ads are over a minute long sometimes.
There’s an app for Google/Android tv called smart tube next. It’s pretty easy to install and works wonders. It’s made me use YouTube in my tv a lot more since I installed it.
Exactly. I will pay for things that I want. If you do not sell them to me I will get them some other way or satisfy myself with other things.
Never given YouTube a dime and never will
Revanced on mobile uBlock on firefox
+1 for Revanced. I did the switch recently and I only regret not having done it earlier. YouTube just have too many ads nowadays, it's not watchable without an ads blocking solution.
I just do ublock on Firefox. do I need revanced?
I just use Firefox mobile with ublock to watch YouTube on mobile
this is the way
May I show you the way of Revanced (Manager)?
I downloaded revanced at one point, may even still have it installed. I've just found that a shortcut to YouTube.com on my home screen has worked great and I haven't felt like changing. what makes revanced better?
You can remove shorts, sponsor block built it, window player, background player, can change how the player works (double tap to seek, vol/brightness controls) enable/disable recommended embedded video links (tiles), can make video pause on notifications, sanitizes sharing links. There are 56 patches avail.
Revanced can also be used to patch other software like spotify, reddit, twitch and facebook
ReVanced just allows you to ad block and sponsor skip via the YouTube app on mobile
if a wanna just use an app, revanced is awesome
Is revanced much better than newpipe?
revanced strips the ads and you can remove shorts and make other customizations. cab also do the samenforother apps like spotify
Brave browser also works on mobile, including playing when another app is open or the screen is locked.
can donall that with revanced and also block shorts
Every single youtube channel needs to start seeding torrents of their videos, and posting those links to other platforms (here, mastodon, etc).
Youtube / google could be defeated collectively if creators were to consistently do this, and interested people had the ability to help seed videos.
But a lot of YouTube channels get money through youtube
Most of the channels I know ask for donations via patreon or other funding platforms. I don't think youtube pays much except for maybe the top 1% of slop channels.
A lot more people make money than the top 1%. The top 1% make big money, but many more may not make a fortune, but it's a legit side hustle for them. Get into the right niche, and you can do VERY well.
In most cases, not all that much. YouTube is mainly useful for getting views and building an audience. It’s a combination of revenue sources like sponsors, merchandise, donations, etc., that really make it worthwhile for creators.
I'm just so tired of the algorhythms. It's like being in a cage mentally.
I go to my son's house, and start browsing through his streamers, and he's got all kinds of stuff I never see. They keep me boxed into the algorithm they've assigned to me, and wont let me see anything else, so I keep picking from their choices for me, which only locks me harder into their box.
I've tried to escape several times with no luck. I've deleted my entire history, views, comments, unsubscribed from channels, you name it. Within a day it looks like I never left.
Which browser and adlocker are you using?
I'm not seeing this at on Firefox w ublock origin
WDYM by "browsing through"? As in, you get different search results? Or a different start page with suggested videos?
Maybe I'm weird, but I never use that. Either I have a specific need (an instruction video, a specific song or video episode). Then I use the search. Or I want to see what's new. Then I check the channels of creators I like.
If you use the platform like that (which is basically like Lemmy), it's a lot harder to algorithmically lock you in. (I only use third-party clients like FreeTube and Newpipe though, which block most types of tracking and don't require a Google account).
I mean the platforms suggestions for what their algorithm thinks you'll like. My son's suggestions look a lot different from mine. I'd like to see some of those kinds of suggestions on mine (mostly classic films), but I get lots of junk, so I end up watching junk, so it recommends more junk.
I want to get off this treadmill, and in to a different one.
I mean peer tube and similar exist. I think the majority of channels with over a 25k views, I don't think there's a consistant number anyone gets, but something like 100 bucks per 25k views or so is pretty common.
Peer tube uses webtorrents, which for many reasons haven't caught on. It's still mainly centralized nodes with massive hosting costs. Torrents are the fully decentralized answer.
I'm gonna pay you $0 to fuck off (with ublock)
"Perpetrators offer a service that will not be put into effect, or offer a service that solves a problem that would not exist without the racket."
The very definition of racketeering.
They call it a double-sided economy.
I call it “let’s fuck everyone.”
We could just ban advertising.
I'm for it.
Any form of advertising aside from maybe a press release to announce a new product/service, and also any form of commissioned sales.
Like Cuba!
That's basically google's main business. Their business is not in web search, video platform, mobile OS, email or AI, it's ad. People forget Google is an ad company, that uses any tool available to give you ad. If it's free and not open source, you are the product. Either to sell your attention and availability to companies through ads, or to use your data to do profiling, build a more vicious ad platform and sell your data on the side.
Why is it a random picture of Will Ferrell though? Why are recent memes like this?
Some of us pay ourselves to install an ad blocker and then we keep our money and we don't get any ads.
Wait, you guys are getting paid to not see ads??
I pay myself in handjobs.
I've said this a few times in various places, but I'm really surprised we aren't allowed to bid for ad space for ourselves to not show an ad the way advertisers do for ads. Obviously a flat monthly rate is simpler, nobody is denying that, but just from a purely "free market" perspective (which shareholders love to say they want while using the government to crush opposition) why can't I pay slightly more than whatever small amount of money someone is paying to show me an ad to not see the ad?
Realistically I don't think we'll ever see that because it's a fairly complicated. I don't have any hard data, but I can't imagine that the majority of users using something like YouTube Premium are getting a "good deal." Sure, some folks probably watch all day every day and they get the better end of the deal, but I'd bet for a lot of folks YouTube makes more money off charging the subscription than they would showing the ads. Which is sort of an odd scenario we've gotten ourselves into (but amazing if you're a company that serves ads).
That has to be built by all the people together
Not necessarily, like if it was YouTube you'd just deposit money and maybe set a maximum amount of money you're willing to bid. Honestly most standard banner ads are from Google too, so they could handle that. For streaming services you'd need to set it up for each individually, but that's no different from setting up billing for each of them. They wouldn't need to talk to each other.
Its a good idea but mentally people hate micro-transactions(transactions that are lower than 10cents) so they get mad every time its suggested. Plus its technically quite challenging to process those kind of transactions efficiently.
You wouldn't prompt them every time. And it would be no more difficult than serving the ads which are also charging every time they're shown.
No I wouldnt prompt them at all because the costs would be so low. Even if you paid 5x what an ad pays you'd spend less than a dollar or two a week. But people hate the idea of paying half a cent when visiting a website or watching a youtube video because they think they either shouldnt have to or that it will eventually become $2 to vist that blog and $4 to watch that video and thats a horrible future.
I feel like you're not getting the vision. It would be the same process as subscribing, but money just gets drained from a pool per ad instead of a flat monthly fee. It's not something you're seeing a popup for. And it would never cost 5x what an ad costs. It would only ever cost $4 to watch a video without an ad if an advertiser was willing to spend $4 to show you an ad. To put that in perspective, ad impressions are bought in units of cpm which stands for cost per mille which is the amount they pay for one thousand impressions. That would be $4,000 cpm. That's absolutely insane. That's orders of magnitude more than what it is today. Nobody is ever going to spend that much to show you an ad unless it's some crazy profitable, super targeted, ultra niche campaign.
The whole point of this thought exercise is to explore what companies make in a month from ads versus what they charge for a month of ad free service. People bid for your attention. I think I should be able to bid for it myself instead of paying some opaque, flat rate per month.
I know I only say 5x to show just how cheap it would actually be to outbid advertisers.
I don't pay anything. Just use newpipe/ublock/smarttube
Revanced and Tubular, for those who want more flavours.
Why the fuck am I looking at a picture of Will Ferrell and not Ricky?
The perfect crime.
Its much better to pay YouTube so the YouTubers get money based on what the audience wants, and not what the Advertisers want from Youtube.
Sounds like you're describing Nebula
Nebula does not bring an audience like YouTube can, so its not a solution yet.
I think YouTube should have a free tier with limited watch minutes of low quality, not an advertising tier.
@[email protected] @[email protected] They wouldn't make half as much money that way. And that would be okay, if it weren't because YouTube is a corporate piece of shit and needs to grow at infinite rate in order to exist.
Nebula sounds great until you use it... At least on Android, it buffers randomly for no reason, doesn't fallback onto audio-only if your screen is off, crashes, etc... it's just not very nice to use
Storing and serving videos is expensive, they have to pay for it somehow. Either you pay directly or someone else pays for you (through an Ad). I don't see why this is inherently a problem.
I can see arguments on if the specifics are a problem with how they're going about it, but the fundamentals make sense.
It always feels like YouTube is double dipping though. Not with what the post is about; that's either/or, obviously.
But Google makes a nice profit collecting user data and behavior, and then selling that to advertising companies. That happens regardless of using an adblocker, and I'd be shocked if it doesn't also happen regardless of YT premium.
But at the same time, Google also IS an advertising company; they use their user data collection platform to also show ads to users, getting paid again.
So personally, even if YT wasn't owned and operated by a shitstain of a capitalist eldritch horror company, I'd still have zero qualms blocking all their ads: they're making money off of me regardless.
What’s that have to do with Ricky Bobby?
Add to this that companies would prefer showing their ads to paying customers (who have some money to spend), not the free tier plebs
Grayjay is great for YouTube too
Kinda makes sense tho. Either they earn money on you from ads or they make money from you because of subscription. Or you're like me and you still block the ads even though YouTube does everything it can to stop you.
I wouldn't really mind watching some ads before a video, but I don't wanna get constantly interrupted or have the ads track me everywhere. I tend to watch the in-video ads from creators tho, because most people I follow have relevant ads, funny ads, or ar the very least deserve some revenue.
set your VPN to Albania
Unwatched app for those on iOS
second this, one of the best apps man. no shorts, no algorithm, just a nice RSS feed and no ads
Yes.
I signed up with Google Play Music All Access in its two month intro way back when. At the time it was $7.99mo for life. They included YouTube Red when that launched. Now after all the name changes and price hikes, I'm still locked in at $7.99. I'll keep it as long as that lasts.
I'd have paid the fee for ad-free YouTube if it didn't also come with an (expensive) subscription to YouTube music.
Nowadays though I don't want to give Google money for anything, even incidentally. I just use Ublock Origin.
I'm playing both sides, but actually.
Friend one day added me to his family plan because they had one space open. I'm still in the habit of always going to youtube in ways I can ad-block but am always pleasantly surprised when I go in the normal youtube app and I have no ads. I'll pay for the service though
That shit is real
You all deserve this and worse. No reason to complain about it. This is what everybody wanted.
Which still have ads or at least track you.
Imagine…… paying money just to get ads anyway. What a fucking scam