I had an ex who worked in this field, she went to mortuary school and worked in mortuaries, before that she worked in organ transplant. She went into the field because of a combination of personal tragedy (a close one passing away at an early age) and seeing how delicately the mortuary handled the event.
Anyhow, she and I would talk about it often. One of the things she would note on, wasn’t that it was sexual based things men would do (besides general office sexism coming from men on occasion), but more about the level of respect they showed the deceased. Crude Comments they’d make about their weight, features etc…
So I think it just depends and it would be difficult to verify these other claims because the “victims” are deceased and most things related to it seem to be anecdotal.
I’m also not going to google necro in anyway
(Also yes, she was kinda emo/metal an had some pretty sick tattoos)
seeing how delicately the mortuary handled the event
I sure wish I'd had this experience with the funeral home I picked out when my dad died. I called them to arrange to pick up his body, and the answering service was AI and obviously so. I gave them his name and the voice read it back to me to confirm it as "Robert common name R-O-B-E-R-T, Smith common name S-M-I-T-H". Then the owner ghosted me for more than a week and only delivered the urn with the ashes in the night before the internment at 8:00, left it outside and split before I could talk to him. 8 grand well spent.
DoorDash getting in the mortuary services game huh?! Those rascally innovators, wonder what they'll innovate next!
All jokes aside, I should add, that fucking sucks, and is real gross, and I'm sorry you had to pay through the nose for the privilege of experiencing such a tasteless money-grab. Yuck.
pay through the nose for the privilege of experiencing such a tasteless money-grab
My father wanted us to get the cheapest option when he passed and then to spend the money on a party instead.
We obliged.
Well, it turns out that once you go under a certain price, it also starts getting tasteless, even if it's cheap.
The guy showed up. Nice black suit that is too large for him. Wondering where he got that.
After accessing the situation (a corpse on the first floor) he then asks if we could help him carry the corpse down the stairs.
So we do, and following his direction holdning my father by the arms as we try to solve the "sofa problem" with my father's corpse in my childhood home staircase.. he ask us to shift to the shoulders to avoid breaking his arms off around the corner. As we finally get my father on a rolling stretcher, he asks if we could get him dressed quickly before the stiffness sets in. As we do it, my dead father rips a nasty dead fart.
Exactly how he had always wanted it.
Personally I actually enjoyed the process of having to be the one to carry him out of the house feet first instead of having a stranger do it. But other than that, I would advise anyone to not ask for the cheapest option.
I've gotten to experience some bargain basement mortuary services myself - and sidenote, I swear, people say Americans have no sense of culture?! Please!
We got to enjoy a mortuarily-approved ($$$) small plastic bin for the remains in question in our case, as well as a quiet little moment of our own on the wee spot on the (public access 😅) coast she favored. Anyway, with ours ending up more Lebowski than Tucker and Dale lol.
We weren't asked to help carry, at least. Yeesh homie.
[Edit to add - glad pops woulda found it just right, frankly, in my experience, the universe sometimes does work out in strangely lovely and hilarious ways like that, your story is rad]
True. Humans only become valuable once they are dead.
They only say you were a good person once you are dead, say you were too young, they go "if only we knew, they seemed fine" if you kill yourself, then go to imvestigate, once you are already dead.
How many writers were ridiculed and rejected, before becoming famous AFTER their death?
Once you are more like an object, once you have no more feelings, is when they start actually valuing you for what you were.
Same as how people will value their cars, or precious things more than people.
Same as how people romanticise native americans, years after they were almost exterminated completelly (while mostly treating those still alive like shit).
Shitty pay, crappy hours, being surrounded by the dead all the time... You either gotta love the job or end up loving the dead...
Some jobs need to be done, but who's to do them? Can one be completely sane and handle this kind of life without issue for years on end?
Most of the people employed tell themselves it's just a job and spend their time dodging the reality of handling the dead all the time, but a few.. well.. they go all in.
Normal is a state of mind that has us come to grips with that which is beyond our control.
My wife was in the funeral industry for a while and studying mortuary sciences. She says she left because it was too depressing being pressured to upsell grieving families all the time.
Let it be known, if it is too costly to shape my ashes into a spear and shoot it into the heart of the sun, or to build a statue of me Conan-posing on a throne of skulls surrounded by scantily-clad babes, just put me in a coffee can with some fireworks and light the fuse
There is a lesson here. Have these conversations today with your loved ones about final arrangements. I promise you that many of them would rather be buried in a casket from Costco and have the money spent on literally anything else.
This is especially true if they're going to be cremated.
I'm guessing it's hard to come by reliable stats. It's on the same level as priests abusing children, the cover-up would be extensive. But, it's even harder, because the corpse can't testify in court, or make a YouTube video.
I just meant in modern times is it a wide spread problem that morticians are fucking the dead. You think that shit would hit the news if it was is all.
So, the closest thing I've had to a childhood hero is Spock from the 60s Star Trek show. As I've grown older and more aware of of the world around me, I've realized elevating rationality to a virtue by itself isn't enough to form a coherent ethos. In fact, I think individuals are actually very bad at rationality. Everyone who puts rationality on a pedestal, from Zizians to SBF to Reddit atheists to Elon Musk to Randian libertarians, is really just forgetting how subjective rationality can be.
I firmly believe that compassion is just as important as rationality when it comes to building strong, honest societies. You need both. We want ethics that are internally consistent, sure, but rationality and internal consistency don't themselves give ethics purpose.
Putting aside the discussion about bodies and objects, the primary concern is consent - which also applies to objects anyway. Would you steal a dead person's wallet "because they don't need it anymore"?
Objects can't consent at all and they never could, permission from an object to act on it sounds exactly like why the right think the left has gone crazy.
Biology and philosophy absolutely do not disagree. Some parts of philosophy, yes. Biologically they are a pile of complex organic matter that is unbinding.
And calling people objects is why the right is crazy.
If a person drowns and has no heartbeat, is it okay for you to have a quickie with them before the paramedics arrive to save him? Clinically they're dead, so... by your logic, they're an object, and never had the ability to consent in the first place, so quickly fucking them up the arse should be a-okay, right?
Or is there like a timer you have for when a person goes from a person to an object, which then retroactively never had personhood anyway? Is it just time, or is it temperature, or as soon as the smell sets in? Some people have been clinically dead for half an hour in cold water before being resuscitated, the cold helping protect from brain damage. And some people smell like dead bodies while alive.
The object never has agency. The person does. This edge case is a fine one, but only suggests that the person is dormant, not gone, and can be returned to life. If a body is in a morgue for a week, that ain't going to be a possibility.
Yeah. People aren't objects. Even if human remains were, you'd have a hard time arguing when a person stops existing without "well once they've rotted for a week, they're definitely not alive." yeah no shit
What do you mean never? When they were alive they could consent. Why does that change when they die? Just because someone is incapacitated through death, doesn’t give us the right to rape them. When consent is not given it is presumed you don’t have it.
When alive, the body was a person. They are not incapacitated through death, they dead. Gone. The person ceases to be and only the object and memories remain.
There was some (mildly) famous case, I think a book was written about it, of a woman who was a necrophiliac and worked at a morgue. There was a big reddit thread about it years ago.
If that's actually the reason then I must be doing pretty good mentally because it would've taken me a while to think of that, not a "we all know because it's obvious" tier thing
If you'd fleshed yhat out into an actual argument you'd likely have realized that you've no leg to stand on.
The only way that carries over for a conparison, regardless of your conclusion/evaluation is if the numerator (the total amount of income) is larger for men than it is for women such that the denominator (the number of people in the partition) cannot make up the difference.
If you've got six pears and your parents have twelve, then you're equal on pears. If you've 6 lemons and they've 20, they each have almost 2 lemons for every single one you have. Ratios are designed for meaningful relative comparisons given that the dimensions/units on both sides of the relation agree. Their rational components are not.
The premise was that there is a preference to hire women over men. The fact is that 66% of the workforce is male. Where is the preference?
We have no information about applicant ratios which would be helpful. So the conservative estimate is 50:50 until we know more. But in any case, the current data give us no indication for a preference for women that was claimed in this post.
A father takes his five year old to the high school principal and says that he'd like to enroll him. The principal says that little John is goign to have to prove he can handle the work. Principal writes an algebra problem and shows it to the lad. John answers it without using a pencil. He asks some history and political questions. John nails them all.
Turns to the father. "This last question is to see if he has the emotional maturity we expect of our students.
"Johnny, what's a four letter word that ends in U-N-T and means a woman?"
"Aunt."
"Congratulations. Johnny can come to high school."
As they walk home, dad says to Johnny, "I'm so proud of you. I know I would have messed up that last question"
well now I'm upset I haven't smelled a body in decomposition before ☹️ (if there is a God, I hope he prints this off and confronts me with this when I die)
but I assume a morgue preserves the corpse well enough that I don't think it will be too much of an issue
now that you say it, I have smelled decomposing animal bodies before many times - but maybe not a human corpse 🤔
In the early stages there are a lot of fecal smells.
I would be very interested in being a pathologist or dealing with corpses, I think I'm better suited to that work than the average person - however, a lot of that work involves court testimony and working with the government, and I'm just not interested in having a job where public testimony is a major part of it or where I'm involved in the "justice system" (mostly because of the corruption and the feeling that my job would put me in morally compromised positions, and I just couldn't handle that).
Dudes just wanna crack open a cold one.
But Lemmy is blue for an upvote
Not in my front end
Must be on Voyager
Nah it's boost
No, I mean on the Voyager app on iOS the upvote is blue.
Ugh. Take my upvote.
The fucking quality of your oneliners, a thing of beauty.
uncomfortable upvote
Dudes just wanna snap into a slim jim
ಠ_ಠ
To pay them less? That's so fucked up.
so i guess it was a massive red flag when i asked them how many cameras were in the room during my interview
No, but telling them about your Twitch channel was a bad idea.
"Yes sir, I do onlyfans as a side gig."
Yes but...
Yes, but that's temporary. They'll get tender after a while 💖
I was more thinking they meant it's something useful for women who's into that stuff.
I didn't think of the women! No wonder I'm single. At least until I'm dead and stiff 💖
A massive priapism!
That's our word of the day, now check this song out!
Sealab 2021 burned that word into my brain
I mean, honest question that I really do not want to google. Is this actually a wide spread problem?
Ok that ones on me, I should’ve caught that
That's what the corpse said!
I had an ex who worked in this field, she went to mortuary school and worked in mortuaries, before that she worked in organ transplant. She went into the field because of a combination of personal tragedy (a close one passing away at an early age) and seeing how delicately the mortuary handled the event.
Anyhow, she and I would talk about it often. One of the things she would note on, wasn’t that it was sexual based things men would do (besides general office sexism coming from men on occasion), but more about the level of respect they showed the deceased. Crude Comments they’d make about their weight, features etc…
So I think it just depends and it would be difficult to verify these other claims because the “victims” are deceased and most things related to it seem to be anecdotal.
I’m also not going to google necro in anyway
(Also yes, she was kinda emo/metal an had some pretty sick tattoos)
I sure wish I'd had this experience with the funeral home I picked out when my dad died. I called them to arrange to pick up his body, and the answering service was AI and obviously so. I gave them his name and the voice read it back to me to confirm it as "Robert common name R-O-B-E-R-T, Smith common name S-M-I-T-H". Then the owner ghosted me for more than a week and only delivered the urn with the ashes in the night before the internment at 8:00, left it outside and split before I could talk to him. 8 grand well spent.
DoorDash getting in the mortuary services game huh?! Those rascally innovators, wonder what they'll innovate next!
All jokes aside, I should add, that fucking sucks, and is real gross, and I'm sorry you had to pay through the nose for the privilege of experiencing such a tasteless money-grab. Yuck.
My father wanted us to get the cheapest option when he passed and then to spend the money on a party instead. We obliged.
Well, it turns out that once you go under a certain price, it also starts getting tasteless, even if it's cheap.
The guy showed up. Nice black suit that is too large for him. Wondering where he got that. After accessing the situation (a corpse on the first floor) he then asks if we could help him carry the corpse down the stairs.
So we do, and following his direction holdning my father by the arms as we try to solve the "sofa problem" with my father's corpse in my childhood home staircase.. he ask us to shift to the shoulders to avoid breaking his arms off around the corner. As we finally get my father on a rolling stretcher, he asks if we could get him dressed quickly before the stiffness sets in. As we do it, my dead father rips a nasty dead fart.
Exactly how he had always wanted it.
Personally I actually enjoyed the process of having to be the one to carry him out of the house feet first instead of having a stranger do it. But other than that, I would advise anyone to not ask for the cheapest option.
Holy fuck, what a ride.
Left me deceased as well.
I've gotten to experience some bargain basement mortuary services myself - and sidenote, I swear, people say Americans have no sense of culture?! Please!
We got to enjoy a mortuarily-approved ($$$) small plastic bin for the remains in question in our case, as well as a quiet little moment of our own on the wee spot on the (public access 😅) coast she favored. Anyway, with ours ending up more Lebowski than Tucker and Dale lol.
We weren't asked to help carry, at least. Yeesh homie.
[Edit to add - glad pops woulda found it just right, frankly, in my experience, the universe sometimes does work out in strangely lovely and hilarious ways like that, your story is rad]
True. Humans only become valuable once they are dead.
They only say you were a good person once you are dead, say you were too young, they go "if only we knew, they seemed fine" if you kill yourself, then go to imvestigate, once you are already dead.
How many writers were ridiculed and rejected, before becoming famous AFTER their death?
Once you are more like an object, once you have no more feelings, is when they start actually valuing you for what you were.
Same as how people will value their cars, or precious things more than people.
Same as how people romanticise native americans, years after they were almost exterminated completelly (while mostly treating those still alive like shit).
Shitty pay, crappy hours, being surrounded by the dead all the time... You either gotta love the job or end up loving the dead...
Some jobs need to be done, but who's to do them? Can one be completely sane and handle this kind of life without issue for years on end? Most of the people employed tell themselves it's just a job and spend their time dodging the reality of handling the dead all the time, but a few.. well.. they go all in.
Normal is a state of mind that has us come to grips with that which is beyond our control.
My wife was in the funeral industry for a while and studying mortuary sciences. She says she left because it was too depressing being pressured to upsell grieving families all the time.
Let it be known, if it is too costly to shape my ashes into a spear and shoot it into the heart of the sun, or to build a statue of me Conan-posing on a throne of skulls surrounded by scantily-clad babes, just put me in a coffee can with some fireworks and light the fuse
There is a lesson here. Have these conversations today with your loved ones about final arrangements. I promise you that many of them would rather be buried in a casket from Costco and have the money spent on literally anything else.
This is especially true if they're going to be cremated.
All of my loved ones want to have their organs donated to science, then have the leftovers cremated.
Put my brain in whatever robot you will use to serve as a hard drive.
What could go wrong?
You might live forever.
Nothing is forever, friend.
I'm guessing it's hard to come by reliable stats. It's on the same level as priests abusing children, the cover-up would be extensive. But, it's even harder, because the corpse can't testify in court, or make a YouTube video.
I fucking hate humans.
It's likely far less common than that comment is leading you to believe.
Yea, I still hate humans though
You know that Dr. Who meme? The one where the blonde woman asks "Is it a lot?"
Just think of it that way.
Clara is a brunette, I just want to clarify that in case people get confused about which meme. :) (It took me a sec)
Herodotus mentions it in The Histories written around 430 BCE.
I just meant in modern times is it a wide spread problem that morticians are fucking the dead. You think that shit would hit the news if it was is all.
It's not even true, classic internet misinformation. I'm shocked Lemmy isn't calling it out, it's slowly becoming reddit
just your run of the mill misandry.
personally I'm all for it. I'm an equal opportunist and believe that all sexes and orientations are pieces of shit.
people are fucking disgusting.
Because the corpses don't tell them how pretty they'd look if they smiled?
Haha heh ahhh lol
Because, they can shamelessly pay them less and get away with it?
No because men rape the dead bodies of women
That's not the reason
I wouldn't even consider to call them human, let alone "men". Just talking animal.
Talking animal is what all humans are....
How about a combination of both
Why would you consider that to be rape?
Why would any man consider that…
Ew.
As a man, some of my brethren are fucking gross and have no self control
Why wouldn't you? There are very few instances in which one can assume they have consent over another person's body.
Because rape is something that happens to a person, not an object. Are women raping their dildos?
Hey, what kinda person are you?
A rational one.
So, the closest thing I've had to a childhood hero is Spock from the 60s Star Trek show. As I've grown older and more aware of of the world around me, I've realized elevating rationality to a virtue by itself isn't enough to form a coherent ethos. In fact, I think individuals are actually very bad at rationality. Everyone who puts rationality on a pedestal, from Zizians to SBF to Reddit atheists to Elon Musk to Randian libertarians, is really just forgetting how subjective rationality can be.
I firmly believe that compassion is just as important as rationality when it comes to building strong, honest societies. You need both. We want ethics that are internally consistent, sure, but rationality and internal consistency don't themselves give ethics purpose.
Putting aside the discussion about bodies and objects, the primary concern is consent - which also applies to objects anyway. Would you steal a dead person's wallet "because they don't need it anymore"?
Can you rape a wallet?
Dead people can’t consent
Neither can shoes.
Neither can couches.
A dead person isn’t equal to a shoe. As humans we show more respect to our dead than old shoes.
I’m sure dead people don’t mind.
They might not mind but their family members do
You said dead people can't consent. I said neither can shoes. Tell me the bit where I am wrong?
You have now added something about equality, on which I never commented.
Objects can't consent at all and they never could, permission from an object to act on it sounds exactly like why the right think the left has gone crazy.
Biology, legality and philosophy all disagree with your assertion that a dead body is equivalent to random inanimate objects.
It's human remains. A deceased individual. A corpse. You do not get to treat it on the same level as a shoe.
Biology and philosophy absolutely do not disagree. Some parts of philosophy, yes. Biologically they are a pile of complex organic matter that is unbinding.
And calling people objects is why the right is crazy.
If a person drowns and has no heartbeat, is it okay for you to have a quickie with them before the paramedics arrive to save him? Clinically they're dead, so... by your logic, they're an object, and never had the ability to consent in the first place, so quickly fucking them up the arse should be a-okay, right?
Or is there like a timer you have for when a person goes from a person to an object, which then retroactively never had personhood anyway? Is it just time, or is it temperature, or as soon as the smell sets in? Some people have been clinically dead for half an hour in cold water before being resuscitated, the cold helping protect from brain damage. And some people smell like dead bodies while alive.
I'm just curious as to your personal criteria.
The object never has agency. The person does. This edge case is a fine one, but only suggests that the person is dormant, not gone, and can be returned to life. If a body is in a morgue for a week, that ain't going to be a possibility.
Yeah. People aren't objects. Even if human remains were, you'd have a hard time arguing when a person stops existing without "well once they've rotted for a week, they're definitely not alive." yeah no shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox
What do you mean never? When they were alive they could consent. Why does that change when they die? Just because someone is incapacitated through death, doesn’t give us the right to rape them. When consent is not given it is presumed you don’t have it.
When alive, the body was a person. They are not incapacitated through death, they dead. Gone. The person ceases to be and only the object and memories remain.
Notice how you use the pronoun "they" for what you said is now an object.
There was some (mildly) famous case, I think a book was written about it, of a woman who was a necrophiliac and worked at a morgue. There was a big reddit thread about it years ago.
Bit chauvinistic to assume women can't be necrophiles if they put their minds to it, innit?
Unlike the FBI I don't make crass assumptions about my perverts.
Also corpses turn rigid.
Just saying.
What exactly are the reasons?
Apparently they think women don't wanna fuck corpses. But I am pretty sure the people that go into that industry are probably cut from the same cloth
If that's actually the reason then I must be doing pretty good mentally because it would've taken me a while to think of that, not a "we all know because it's obvious" tier thing
Shit post indeed.
It's mechanically difficult for women to do it since corpses don't have blood flow. Much more creativity needed.
Oh hey, that reminds me of Karen Greenlee
::: spoiler nsfw
:::
Cool, can I unread that now
Sorry, now you'll inadvertently think of it every time you see a morgue. Have fun!
I had already forgotten
I would prefer not thanks Karen
That actually has fulfilled my morbid curiosity, thank you ... also, there seems to be a lot of squeemish people around
inflate it with an air pump
Or, tie it off and inject it with saline. More, um, life-like that way.
They could have girldick, you dunno.
Don't they have machines for pumping fluids through veins? Seems like that would be useful in that situation...
Doesn't seem like it takes much to grind on a stiffy.
Except when theyre not, get traumatized, and become an amazing lead vocalist for a world famous nü metal band...
Less pay, longer hours, and the hiring manager plans to sexually harass his workforce.
Now that's believable
Bless my heart for thinking it was for corpse makeup...
I was thinking better expression of sympathy for the loved ones.
Can we get more than twelve pixels on this repost of a repost of a repost of a repost of a repost?
That person appears to have a face under their nose.
I'm guessing pixel blasted septum piercing
Reminds me of the old Tom Lehrer joke:
"...a story about a young necrophiliac who finally achieves his boyhood ambition by becoming coroner.
... The rest of you can look it up when you get home."
A woman surrounded by stiffs, anything could happen.
I doubt even the premise is true
Same link you provided, scroll down a bit.
Male workforce: 26777
Female workforce: 13568
If you'd fleshed yhat out into an actual argument you'd likely have realized that you've no leg to stand on.
The only way that carries over for a conparison, regardless of your conclusion/evaluation is if the numerator (the total amount of income) is larger for men than it is for women such that the denominator (the number of people in the partition) cannot make up the difference. If you've got six pears and your parents have twelve, then you're equal on pears. If you've 6 lemons and they've 20, they each have almost 2 lemons for every single one you have. Ratios are designed for meaningful relative comparisons given that the dimensions/units on both sides of the relation agree. Their rational components are not.
The premise was that there is a preference to hire women over men. The fact is that 66% of the workforce is male. Where is the preference?
We have no information about applicant ratios which would be helpful. So the conservative estimate is 50:50 until we know more. But in any case, the current data give us no indication for a preference for women that was claimed in this post.
Get some sleep!
You're implying here that the poor bosses have to hire men for some reason beyond their control, while they would really like to hire women instead.
The one data point that would support that it's applicant ratios as I already mentioned. We don't have that afaict.
Get some pizza
A father takes his five year old to the high school principal and says that he'd like to enroll him. The principal says that little John is goign to have to prove he can handle the work. Principal writes an algebra problem and shows it to the lad. John answers it without using a pencil. He asks some history and political questions. John nails them all.
Turns to the father. "This last question is to see if he has the emotional maturity we expect of our students.
"Johnny, what's a four letter word that ends in U-N-T and means a woman?"
"Aunt."
"Congratulations. Johnny can come to high school."
As they walk home, dad says to Johnny, "I'm so proud of you. I know I would have messed up that last question"
Damn. It got me.
oooo misogynistic jokes, I have one too!
what do you tell a woman with two black eyes?
::: spoiler answer
nothing, you already told her twice.
:::
Tell that joke to your mother.
See how funny she thinks it is.
I see you're not a fan of misogynistic jokes.
perhaps you'll enjoy this one.
what do you tell a man who won't take "no" for an answer?
::: spoiler answer
nothing, he's already told you twice.
:::
edit: c'mon folks. the man is a rapist because he's a man! it's misandry!
at a population level, men fuck everything, including corpses
Have you smelled a body in decomposition before (basically all of them are in some stage of decomp)?
well now I'm upset I haven't smelled a body in decomposition before ☹️ (if there is a God, I hope he prints this off and confronts me with this when I die)
but I assume a morgue preserves the corpse well enough that I don't think it will be too much of an issue
now that you say it, I have smelled decomposing animal bodies before many times - but maybe not a human corpse 🤔
In the early stages there are a lot of fecal smells.
I would be very interested in being a pathologist or dealing with corpses, I think I'm better suited to that work than the average person - however, a lot of that work involves court testimony and working with the government, and I'm just not interested in having a job where public testimony is a major part of it or where I'm involved in the "justice system" (mostly because of the corruption and the feeling that my job would put me in morally compromised positions, and I just couldn't handle that).
You should watch Dr. G. I loved that show.
is it this one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_G
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._G:_Medical_Examiner
Because dead men cant interrupt?
Well, one more reason to die in a blaze of glory.
damn i thought the title of the post was a slur and not did you know
I scrolled through the whole comments section and not a single Sexy Losers reference? For shame.
That link is about as tame as the comic gets.
“Male dominated” and “women preferred” are not mutually exclusive, for example if women rarely apply for this type of job