Trump says he's been rejected by NATO, most allies to join mission to secure critical Strait of Hormuz
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He can ask "Board of Peace" for help
“Bored of Peace”
Board of (exploding shit to )peace(s).
I think there's a typo
haha didn't think of that yet. The "thank you" from trump to Qatar, Bahrain, Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Jordan: quite a few of the members got fucked over very quickly with the generous gift of regional instability!
Thanks for saying it, I thought everyone forgot
dang you beat me to it!
What does he think NATO is? Isn’t the treaty to protect against aggression, not be the aggressors?
He believes he is the king of the world and NATO is a human resources investment similar to the many departments of Trump Kingdom LLC.
Far as he's concerned, who cares if that's not their job or intention. He's paying the bills damn it - he pay the bill, plebs do what he says. It's really that simple.
A human resources investment which he has cut the funding for
How long before he explicitly demands to speak to the manager of NATO. I guess in some ways he already has.
Trump paid a bill? Nah, that doesn't sound right.
Narrator: Trump never pays his bills
I mean, some NATO nations have been known to join the US in a dumb fight. But Trump has also directly tariffed and threatened many of the nations that would normally help the US. Friends are gonna be short supply.
Spit your allies/friends in the face and see what you get ....
I wouldn't be surprised if trump is looking to use this for an eventual "out" ... throw a tantrum that he's not getting help so he'll pull out of the gulf region completely, only do the bombings but leave the strait and it's cargo issues as the unresolved mess they are.
Americans can't afford to buy stuff now anyway, it's not like they were going to get a lot of trade. We can barely afford our rent/groceries and hundreds are getting laid off every week.
Hm, many NATO countries actually did the latter for the US in the past.
The US was actually attacked at that time. Iraq was a different story and "coalition of the willing" was used.
NATO's Article 5 was invoked only once, by the US. Trump had the audacity to insult (former?) allies and deny that ever happened.
I think it's great no one wants to join his unsanctioned war.
Certifiably false.
Sorry, wat? Attacked by who? Saudis? The official reason for the yet another illegal war was that Saddam was amassing WMDs - do you see any familiar made up cause here?
Yeah well Trump IS a fucking idiot.
Surely NATO could make an exception here and come to the aid of a non-member who’s the victim of aggression.
these psychopaths believe ripping babies apart is self defense. they have no souls or humanity.
He must have believed the russian propaganda about them being imperialist aggressors or something...
He's spent more than the last decade doing nothing but criticizing NATO and saying it should be abolished and is shocked when they won't cover his war crimes and the consequences there of? Stable genius everybody.
NATO is not just bureaucracy, it's an alliance. You CAN ask allies for help, but you are supposed to treat them as such.
That's not what Putin told him.
Reads like a text chat between an incel and a woman on the internet.
Trump: You are stupid. You are ugly and fat. I'm so much better than you ever will be and also fuck all our agreements. Null and void. And you owe me $13.47 for that coffee I paid for.
Them: stares confused . Then watches their economies be negatively impacted by trump.
Trump: hey we are buddies right? Come help me bomb civilians.
Them: no thanks.
Trump: you are a stupid fat ugly bitch and I don't need you anyway.
Trump (next day): how's it going? . So when are you deploying your troops to help out at the straight?
Them: blocks trump
Yup. It's really as simple as that. Trump is a sociopathic abuser, and the macro version of that is essentially the same as the micro.
I read this in the South Park style “Hey Satan!” way.
true story.
Still too big for this fool.
"I would also like to remind you that the U.S. and Israel did not consult us before the war, and that Washington explicitly stated at the start of the war that European assistance was neither necessary nor desired," Kornelius said.
NATO was created as a defensive measure to present a combined defence in the event of being attacked.
It was NOT created to provide back up to a wannabe Napoleon with tiny dick syndrome because he decides to start a war on his own.
… to cover his previous child raping activities
Show a bit of respect for people with tiny dicks, they don't deserve to be compared to this madman
Which NATO nation was attacked in Yugoslavia in 1999?
A valid point and frankly still a stain on the organisation that they failed to justify. History aside it does not alter the fact of why it was created and why it should not be aiding the Fanta Fuhrer now.
"We will protect them, but they will do nothing for us, in particular, in a time of need."
I thought the US already destroyed 100% of the Iranian military? If I were an ally, it would sound to me like the help is not needed as there is no military remaining to fight.
Like how the US protected Ukraine when it gave up its nukes, trusting that the West and NATO would protect them if Russia decided to invade?
I know, that invasion began between Orange Man's two terms, but still. The US in general needs to STFU about how it supposedly protects the world, they dropped the ball bigtime there.
That invasion began in 2014...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Russian_annexation_of_Crimea
Apologies,, you're absolutely right. I forgot to factor in the original annexation!
Apparently Iran is being dishonest by keeping the strait closed after they've already lost the war.
Once again the only country that invoked article 5 ever, was the USA
False.
according to him a number can be reduced by up to 1500%, so if they've done 100%, they're only 6.67% done
Literally no official channel from the US has asked NATO. (Rage tweets are not official) The US was not attacked so it can’t invoke article 5. No one from NATO needs to help this American war adventurism.
Further to that, they all recognize the folly of the whole thing and don't want to get mired in the disaster that Trump has triggered.
Maybe his buddies Orban and Kim Jong Un will give him a hand.
Maybe, but how many of them have fired all their military strategists and historians?
It should be obvious to most moderately intelligent people that this is a no win situation, unless they're prepared to genocide an entire country. And if they go down that route, they'll become a pariah nation.
I am glad we took some lessons from 01.
That's not it. It's the lack of enthusiasm that drags Donnie down, the feeling that he always has to be the one who comes up with ideas to keep this relationship with NATO alive.
Would it kill them to bomb one little school, leave some civilian corpses as a surprise around the (white) house or do those sweet little coups together in a foreign land, like they used to do?
It's exhausting, really
That was one labored sentence! I cannot be the only one that parsed it as: "Trump says he's been rejected by NATO (while) most allies (are) to join mission ..."
Instead, it wants to say: "Trump says he's been rejected by NATO and most allies (in his desire for them) to join mission ..."
Yeah, this is awful. Headlinese is fun and all, but this is too much.
The comma is for enumeration and not for segregation of two sentences. So it makes sense. They just used a comma instead of an "and".
Yep, both is possible, "and" is less ambiguous.
News title grammar has distinctly different rules from normal language. Extreme brevity and using commas in place of any other punctuation are typical of it.
Which would be justifiable in print. But this is not print, using it here is suboptimal and silly.
News title grammar is stupid and I'm rather annoyed at the journalists continuing its use.
Use an "&" ffs...
Which is extremely annoying
He's being"rejected" by a group that he has spent the last year shitting on?
Gee, what a surprise...
The U.S. has threatened a founding member of NATO with a war of aggression, and furthermore, the U.S. is committing war crimes alongside the genocidal Israel - this is the situation in which the U.S. is calling for support for a war of aggression that tramples on international law. Or to put it another way: It is the situation that a narcissist - who should have been in prison for decades - has brought about with what he calls the "Art of the Deal." GTFO!
The Art of the Steal
The art of the squeal. Piggy piggy piggy.
He wanted the war, he can go out and fight it
Unlikely, he’s a draft dodger.
Everyone should if necessary. He's a shit person for many ancillarily reasons.
but its not a war. And the DOW!
As a meat shield.
So let's recap...
You gave NATO and all your allies the middle finger by cutting their budget, tariffing them, insulting them, attempting to bully them into complying with your will, and threatening to invade some of them...
You seemingly forgot their contributions to America's previous pointless wars in the Middle East by saying they "weren't on the front lines", when most of them had sent people who lost their lives...
You end US funding for Ukraine's defense because you didn't think it was your problem, and you told Europe that it's their job to foot the bill...
You give the UN and NATO the middle finger with this farcical and extortionary "Board of Peace"...
And now you launch a pointless invasion of Iran and complain that NATO, a defensive organization is "rejecting" you by not participating in it?
Get fucked, old man!
And when he gets there, he should fuck off again.
i am totally stealing this ;-)
i like the phrase "take a long walk off a short pier", but this is easier to post
"hey, you, fuck you! also, I'll take your shit. also, come help me pls! but also, fuck you." - tronald dump
"Guys! GUYS! You really depend on the oil that flows through the Strait so come and help me open it!"
"But your actions closed it in the first place."
"OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU WON'T HELP! :`("
Fuck me, this is what international politics and diplomacy have become.
Also, most NATO countries don't really depend that much on that oil. Most of it goes to Asia.
It's the various US allies in the gulf that are going to be feeling the pinch the most. If oil isn't getting out, they won't be getting paid. And they're getting pelted by Iranian drones to boot.
Not just that, but Europe is able to pay the oil price, although Russia getting it is a problem. At the same time oil consumption is half of the USAs and falling due to BEVs and heat pumps. It is probably a lot cheaper then to go to war.
"don't really depend that much on that oil"
Then why tf do I have to pay 30cts/liter more for gasoline?
All sold at "market rates" no matter the source.
Same reason I pay gas electricity prices, when most of it is made by wind turbines.
This is our life on capitalism...
Okay, some people depend on that oil. I don't, because I ride a bike.
We should all have gotten out of our oil dependency a long time ago, but apparently politicians prefer being dependent on questionable regimes in unstable regions.
I dont remember the exact number, but about half of the nitrogen in your body was made using oil/fossil fuels. This is the ultimate climate end boss fight, manufacturing everything without sucking (more) oil from the ground. Until this happens we are all slaves of it.
As long as we don't put more CO2 in the air, it's not that big of a problem, but I think we've got more than enough nitrogen in our biosphere already. The excess nitrogen is causing pollution problems by itself.
Yes. Part of the inputs to Haber bosch process is natural gas and a ton of process heat. The hydrogen source has to be switched to H2 from electrolyzers and the plant can't burn the NG for heat. So the energy cost for switching is very steep. This transition is huge, as it would decouple production of food from fossil fuels.
What an unbelievably stupid thing to say. Do the fields where your food grows ride a bike as well? Did your bike ride a bike to the store you bought it at? Did the clothes on your back ride a bike to your wardrobe?
It might surprise you, but stuff I already have is unaffected by the recent increase in fuel costs.
Transportation costs will rise throughout the entire supply chain, including consumables/perishables, it will affect you unless you’re self sufficient for those too.
It'll undoubtedly have some effect, but I'm not seeing any difference at the pump, because I don't go there.
And I already try to buy my food locally sourced. Shorter supply chains proved to be more robust during Covid too. All this international trade with unstable parts of the world makes us more vulnerable than we need to be.
NATO is a defensive alliance, not to be invoked when you get bribed by the zionists to start a war you cant finish. Our NATO allies owe us nothing in this situation but lawsuits for US/Israeli terrorism and destroying the oil markets.
You say bribed. I say blackmailed.
Most definitely
Which NATO nation was NATO defending in Yugoslavia in 1999?
If I recall correctly the yugoslavian communist serbs organized under the JNA had decided to cleanse their muslim population. Not that NATO cared specifically about genociding muslims (I think we all see that now) , but they did care about a previously "centrist" communist organization that disavowed Alliance with Russia creeping visibly closer to russian influence and becoming a satellite state, which seemed inevitable. So the war was about kneecapping a communist movement. Even though democracies like to claim they are all about letting their citizens decide their own government, they will not willingly let communism prosper, and proxy wars are preferred to direct ones.
He doesn't understand the difference between NATO and The UN. It's really wild.
He's been rejected by everybody he's ever met. That's probably why he's a rapist and a predator.
The funny thing is that, with a sensible foreign and alliance policy, many of these countries would probably have actually helped with US Imperialism, like they did in the past. Take Iraq, for example. But if you treat all your allies like shit and as submissive military service, the governments of those countries simply have no choice but to reject, if they don’t want to be voted out. I’m sure, for instance, that my country’s ruling party, the CDU in Germany, was really keen on it.
This reminds me of the Suez canal crisis in the 50s, if I recall correctly. That marked the end of the British and French empires.
One of the times we (uk) asked America for help and they refused.
American people could think of it anther way. By not getting involved, other countries are attempting to keep this as a bad idea by Trump and not full on WWIII which would probably be the result if NATO got involved now. What you really need is some adults in the room in the WH who convince Trump that it is his brilliant genius idea to just walk away.
Yeah but you also assume reason on the other side. That's not granted. The joke now would be for the US to just walk away and Iran to re-open the strait EXCEPT for ships with a US interest (and probably Israel's). "Retribution for the damages."
The far right criticizes NATO when they either don't do "enough" by their standards (even though NATO is purely a defensive alliance), or "too much" by defending against Russian aggression.
Which NATO nation was NATO defending in Yugoslavia in 1999?
wtf is this headline
Defense organization want not to help in the attack war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headline#Headlinese
Have to make sure the Internet doesn't run out of bit, by using mangled English!
One of those where just one use of the word "and" would've helped.
Israel are going to be so mad!
I am able to bear the suffering of Israel with a tremendous amount of dignified fortitude.
so the NATO that he trashes all the time, and wants the US to abandon, won't help him in his entirely unnecessary War that he's thrown his country into, purely in an attempt to divert attention from his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein...... How surprising.
I don't believe that, it's so he can try to cancel the mid terms by being at war. He might have just done it bit earlier due to that.
that's not a thing in Murican constitution… he can't just cancel elections, which is why he is trying to stop women from voting
The orange idiot saw that from Ukraine and figured the world runs on the same laws… he is just that stupid
This was always the plan
Bizarrely, it's about as close as he's come to recognising their stupid constitution
I thought he didn't need Canada for anything?
The USA has its dick in a blender, let's not follow their lead.
NATO's job is to protect member states from Russian aggression. Trump has zero concept of history.
Trump's Pentagon insisted on a go-it-alone approach to Iran at the outset. This wasn't NATO's choice it was Hegseth's choice.
Even fucking Chimp-in-Chief Bush Jr had the decency to assemble the "Coalition of the Willing" in Iraq. Rubio couldn't be bothered to get the fucking Turks and Saudis on board, and they've hated Iran since the Ottoman Empire fell.
Absolutely bonkers to talk about this as some kind of NATO failure to comply when the treaty was never invoked to begin with. Doubly so, when you consider how many NATO bases are still ultimately being used by US forces to get hardware into position.
The Ottomans were at war with Iran for like 3 or 4 centuries before Turkey was even formed. And they mostly lost.
It's the same picture. Just ask anyone in Istanbul
Even if NATO wanted to help, it can't. Trump and the US's actions are opposed to the charter. Unlike the Trump government, NATO nations stick to their laws to ensure it doesn't go psycho, rogue, or aggressive.
Countries of NATO may act independently of NATO—under their own banner—but consider how much the US has slandered and abused them, it's looking unlikely.
welp he is this century’s 2nd hitler.
Who was the first?
netanyahoo
He should star on another reality tv show: The Biggest Loser
I started this war now you all need to help me end this war! 🫲🍊🫱
He's the spoiled little rich kid who comes over to the sandbox while others are building a sand castle, proceeds to destroy the sand castle, then kicks his ball over the fence and wants everyone to come help him get his ball back.
MAGA elected the most little bitch ass spoiled rich kid on earth.
Israel forced him into it, there is a reason we are calling it Operation Epstein's Fury. Because they have the tapes of the president, and ivy league aristocrats, fucking children.
Agreed
He wasn't even that rich anymore. It was all theater. His hotels were in a sad state. His scams weren't working anymore. It was all almost over.
The election saved his ass.
Now he's rich, after grabbing anything he can get his hands on. Even in his first term he was quoted as saying that it was all "his money" now. All his debts are gone, all the banks folded. All the big companies as well, because they saw that they could "use" him to also get more money.
If he was a spoiled rich kid before, think what he is now. He sees himself as a god.
The only silver lining, and I really mean only, is that he's so small intellectually that he'll (hopefully) never see it through to it's full potential.
As long as they keep the chimp away from the nukes, we should survive him, so that we can then be torn apart by climate change.
I mean, it's kind of hard to argue with results. Fraud convictions and imminent sentencing turned into another chance to loot the public coffers because dumb-dumbs think the Gaza genocide wouldn't also continue to happen under him.
Donny no friends
Plenty no friends.
Trump finally reaping what he sows. Or, to put it more succinctly for my contemporary peers...he found out!
Aw, poor baby.
Just yesterday, Danish media posted a description of how they planned to blow up airport runways to slow down an American invasion of Greenland. And how other European countries sent soldiers to help defend.
Trump complaining about Europe now not helping in Iran is some major chutzpah...
Madlad whines that other people don't want to engage in his bullshit. What a surprise...
"Mum. MUM. MUMMMMMMMMM!"
"WHAT?"
"Clean me. I've did a whoops in my pants."
"Again? Oh FFS."
...
two minutes later
...
"MUMMMMMMM."
"WHAT?"
"Clean me. I've done another whoopsy. It stinks."
"NO, clean up your own mess."
"OMG, THIS IS SO UNFAIR. I'M GOING TO HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE TO TELL THE WORLD HOW YOU WON'T CLEAN UP MY SHIT!"
Aww.
Someone warn Spain and Egypt in case he gets confused about his straights.
ask your friends who are bored of peace, Don
Oh, I see what’s going on now.
Trump’s main goal is Putin’s goal. Weaken the United States and its allegiances.
Now that he’s been “rebuffed” by NATO, he’s got even more justification to weaken NATO and the UN.
Cute checkers move.
I feel like Russia and Israel owning trump is a scapegoat. It's really just rich people.
I can't wait for Democrats to start a war with Russia by saying the Iran War was their fault
I think NATO should send some help. I was thinking of a container loaded with fire extinguishers, sleeping bags and a large stack of "NO SMOKING" stickers. You know, the things they forgot to add to their state-of-the-art carriers?
What a fucking toooooooooooool to the power of infinity. Same goes for supporters and enablers.
So much winning
As always, "Trump says" is garbage headlining. Means about as much as "Third-grader blames family dog for misssing homework".
To quote that kid... ."no shit, donny!" What a fucking joke twe have become. SMDH
His skin is being thin, like onion, yet moral fiber is limp, like grilled onion
Trump asked NATO to the prom and she said a hard "No!".
maybe it's my lack of geographical knowledge, but where in the USA is this objective exactly?
And they already won, wo the war is over. Like trump said.
Only took an hour
😅😆🤣😂, fucking loser!!!
I wonder why 🤔
yeah this really definitely absolutely is not what NATO is for
I love this for him.
Good, but I suspect that someday somebody else will help him,
Fuck that dickhat and his hangman posse, it's his fucking mess.
Can we stop it with journalists' insane use of commas in place of "and"?
If space is so precious, use an ampersand (&) for Christ's sake.
Reading this sentence normally, it could seem like allies ARE joining the mission.