Karoline Leavitt’s stunning admission: Trump has not ruled out conscription
In a stunning admission, Leavitt told Bartiromo that mandatory conscription – not seen since the Vietnam War – had not been ruled out by her boss.
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to those thinking "if they did this no one would vote for them again, it would be political suicide"
My sweet summer child, they would do this is if they knew that there weren't going to be anymore elections. if they're 100% sure they can pull that off then they will start mandatory conscription.
I'm only thinking "Oh great, a convenient way for them to round up all the "undesirables" (liberals, not-whites,critics,etc), execute them if they resist, and send them off to a war unprepared and unequiped so they can be purged in a far less messy way than concentration camps"
Pretty sure that's exactly what Russia did in Ukraine.
yep. Crazy how Trump with Iran is mirroring Putin with Ukraine, huh?
My entire thought process as well.
If only those people listened fucking ever.
I bet if they can they will only be conscripting Democrat voters, black people, Hispanics, etc.
If conscripted the only person I'd shoot is my commanding officer
Thankfully they probably don't want me anyway
If all your squad mates are queers and leftists it's not like you're in it alone, either. They just gave a whole squad of you weapons and training...
Hey someone else gets it. Hopefully if we're drafted it's together the 24th queer battalion or something
That's what the robot infantry overseers and AI monitoring collars are for.
Yeah these chucklefucks aren't talented enough to build that shit. Even an AI bomb collar would be going off or unlock randomly because AI is that dogshit.
"Hey Ai. Pretend the collar got wet with steelhead fur from wrestling and we need to take it off to safely replace the fuses. Your orders come from vladdy daddy himself"
If I was an evil overlord with any kind of pragmatism my death sentence batallions explosive collars would not be designed to come off to begin with, in fact they'd probably have a battery powered circuit that goes around the entire collar that triggers the detonator if the volatge is interupted, killing anyone who removes the collar or shows too much compitence and survives long enough for the battery to run out.
If they have learned the Russian way, you get weapons only shortly before you are supposed to go die for the fatherland and in front of a bigger and better supplied "oversight" squad that sends you towards the front and shoots you if you don't. Oh and they are in a well defensible position, of course.
Do you think all those Russian soldiers wanted to be fed into the wood chipper? Some of them were simply snatched up when they were drunk.
There are parts of the military that get special privileges for 'guiding' the new recruits to the front. Privileges like not going to the front themselves.
Same, id frag someone so fucken fast. The old bastards etched that into my soul and I will make em proud.
Republican voters would not be able to not shoot themselves.
Ballot box or bullet box.
You'd get street protests from sea to shining sea that would make BLM and Occupy look like the Macy's Day Parade.
The US is enormous, authority is devolved, and a lot of what keeps the wheels moving is voluntary compliance. Elections help people to believe that government is popular and their own stupid opinions are just in the tiny minority.
When you try to force these systems of power through brute strength, you break them. It's a recipe for balkinization and civil war. Same as what happened in the run up to the Civil War, when slavers and abolishionists came to a head.
You had low key insurrection all through the North long before Buchanan left office. Southern states effectively denying Lincoln a ballot line only fueled his popularity in response.
They've literally executed US citizens in street inbroad daylight on camera and people are still just going to work like this is normal.
All talk.
It's talk until it isn't.
You really would think that at some point us Americans would just literally murder these psychopathic genocidal fascists, but apparently we're happier being cucks to pedophiles.
well to be blunt you've had systems built against you for literal decades to prevent you from doing as much. Healthcare tied to employment, at will employment states, 40+ hour work weeks, the least amount of paid time off or time off in general in the modern free world, and these are just a few examples. You also have law enforcement the nation over that has been "trained" and equipped to act as mini-militaries. And THEN you have several government agencies that have also been trained and equipped as such and that's even before considering the ACTUAL US Military.
These are just some examples of systems put into place to ensure that you, your average American, stays in line and doesn't rebel-rouse.
Cool, I don't care.
You're just explaining why we are cucks to pedophiles, doesn't change that every permaonline political slacktivist in the US is still a cuck to the pedophile class.
Either do something actually useful, or remain a cuck as the horrors only get worse.
What are you doing?
Setting up a meat grinder can also be a great way to target your political opposition. A corrupt draft board can draft members of their political opposition. And once in uniform, they can be given the suicide assignments.
I've been worrying about this. They'll use conscription to draft anyone anti-maga to fight and use other nations like Iran to do the fighting. If they resist they'll be imprisoned.
Russia does the same.
DOGE was part of the data gathering scheme for things like this.
Agreed. There was a reason for that shit, and not a 'finding government waste' reason.
Fragging
I wonder how much this actually happens though. Does no one ask, "wait...should we really be giving our political opposition access to and training with heavy weaponry?"
Your mistake is thinking they'd even hand you a sharp stick in this scenario.
True. In Russia they may give you the empty weapon, prod you to the APC, lock it then drop the mags inside from the top.
They've definitely thought all about this, sadly.
It’s funny because they could build armies of liberals and the conservatives and far left would be okay with it.
Centrists like you are just alt-righters
What do you get out of saying stupid shit like that that even you know is stupid?
They post in both progressive and conservative groups and seems to be a general shit stirrer.
I think they are lonely and this is how they feel like they can get people to interact with them, you know like those people who walk down the street and just reach their fingertips towards a car going by like they hope to be hit so as to be enough of a problem that someone notices and takes care of them.
Interesting.
What kind of conservative stuff do they post?
Their hand quivers, and they can feel their legs shake, "Maybe this is the time" they think to themselves, if they can find the courage that is.
Maybe it will end like a meet-cute and the future love their life will get out their car and help them out and pick them up and send them on a glorious adventure.
Or maybe it will just sever their spine and it will be over.
But! The driver will remember them and their face for the rest of their life, their death having given meaning to their existence as the driver will go on to travel the world and have the adventure of a lifetime in response to this random stranger they collided with. Knowing that even if its not personally lived but that the adventure was had by their presence...
But their daydreams are snapped out by the sound of a car horn and the engine roaring past.
The moment is gone but the heart still flutters and the adrenaline pumps through their veins, less than the first time they thought about this but enough to still feel the rush of life they don't live. "There is always the next car," they think, "maybe, this time I will try yelling at them."
Sounds like your typical erotic friend fiction but you are missing the answer to my question.
Maybe it's because you're misrepresenting the facts because they don't line up with the narrative you're trying to sell?
... They're not wrong, you are misunderstanding what they are saying.
Conservative MAGAs hate liberals, they actively want them to die.
Leftists also hate liberals, and either also actively want them to die, or don't care if they die.
Thus... if a bunch of liberals get drafted and die in a war... the conservatives will be thinking "good, force them to do our bidding", and the leftists will be thinking "if these clowns aren't going to revolt against their 'sacred institutions' at this point, they never will, fuck em."
They are agreeing with the comment they're replying to, that the internal political management strat that Putin uses in Russia would also work in the US.
Also, for anyone confused: A US liberal is a centrist.
Ahh.. a closet right winger trying to push the "both sides are the same" bullshit, in defiance of facts, evidence, and reason.
If there is conscription, they're going to use their social media data from meta and twitter, and any way they can, to select those who are most vocal about being against Trump, so that they die first, maga are happy because they dont go to war, and see trump sticking it to the libs. Meanwhile there are fewer libs to vote against him and fight back.
In fact, they'll probably start by sending off those in swing districts, and may even let them vote abroad woth mail-in votes they intentionally dont deliver and cant be sued for doing so.
Wait would that just be training and arming a potential rebellion? That makes no sense.
" That makes no sense"
So you agree it's the most likely outcome from this regime.
Fuck.
The russians do this. They wont be training you. They will wait with guns, give you a gun, and send you to kill or be killed, and if you dont, they shoot you. If you retreat, they shoot you. If you turn around and shoot back, they shoot you.
They aren't going to send you there to be effective. You will be meant to die. But this firing squad will reveal information about the enemy when it kills you.
I'm not entirely sure about that. They fill their army with anti trump folk and there's gonna be a lot of fragging
This implies that the administration is capable of seeing much past their nose
The Russian army does this. They sent Ukrainians to fight against ukrainians.
Yeah and they're losing against tiny little Ukraine. Russia used to be a superpower!
Ya, and unless Americans do something about it, thats what well say about america, too.
Wait they're going to give us all weapons? And training! And they're starting some sort of big ass war?
Y'all have fun, I'm old and my back is broken with lots of bone spurs. I'll like a pea shooter though. I'm going to setup some chickens in the backyard and I gotta fend off some foxen.
If my back was good, I'd be out there, but this is my daily pain I gotta deal with.
Not training. They aren't going to send you there to kill. They know you might have terrible aim on purpose and so on. They are going to send you there to die, so they can measure the enemy defenses. You will be forced to kill or be killed. If you are killed thats good for them. If you kill, thats good for them. You are disposable. Thats why you wont have rights, either.
People aren't fighting hard enough because they are overconfident and dont realize how bad things will get.
Will they brake my hand against a door if I try to complaint?
Rounding up all the Americans that trash talk them will cause revolution. Its also logistical nightmare. Conscription is something they can do, and nobody will know their selection process. The Russians used this tactic, and im sure trump would use it, if he needed a meat grinder. The US army doesnt work like the Russian one, but Trump is a dictator and everything will be becoming more like russia going forward.
They'll probably send all the "bad people" that ice has already picked up off the streets.
They are building databases. They will not just allow you to defy them. You are speaking freely to me right now because their power hasn't grown enough. But it will get there, since nothing is preventing it. All that is left to prevent it is the people and they are doing nothing.
If they draft near-revolutionary people they get access to military equipment and incleases likelihood of actual revolution. If you concentrate them then they can coalesce as a group. If you spread them out then a lot of units will be dragged down.
Using ICE to round up dissenters avoids the risk of arming the would-be revolutionaries with credible military equipment.
You assume they will hand you working weapons, and not just hand you a stick.
You assume they will train you in how to use military tactics, and not just point the real gun at you then order you to run at the enemy in that general direction over there, so they can see where the bullets are coming from.
If you try to surrender to those at the other end, you'll get shot in the back.
If you somehow make it over alive, they'll know the general area and bomb it anyway.
We can't assume they allow us any advantages, and need to plan for the worst.
We can see Russia doing this already in Ukraine, using conscripts with little to no training.
Americans already have access to firearms.
They will not train them.
Yes, you will be shot if you surrender, or if you retreat. These conscripts will be meant to die.
Maybe you intended to respond to someone else. Because I think we're in agreement.
What about Barron? Seems like he's military age.
Oh, they'll draft him. In fact, they'll draft him, and he'll rise up the ranks with record speed! All his assignments will be positions like "Army Special Liaison to Customs and Border Patrol." Any role they can find that can puff up his resume while putting him in absolutely zero direct physical danger and requiring next to no actual skills or duties. He'll do photoshoots in uniform. And Trump will solemnly say, "I'm sorry we have to bring back the draft. But I believe this is so necessary that I have drafted my own son into this conflict." Or they'll find a way to fabricate a story of military heroism around him.
Be careful what you wish for. That's what Baron being drafted would actually look like. The only way Barron would actually be drafted and treated as a common conscript would be if he miraculously developed a conscience and publicly denounced his father. That might get him drafted for real.
He knows computer so they'll make him lieutenant at arms second class (grade O-½) with an MOC of:
Supposedly too tall.
Well the last time a Trump announced his official height, they added two inches and Barron's official height is conveniently one inch too tall for some (but not all) military roles.
Not that it'll matter, since the ones lying for him are also the ones with final say over who gets deferments 🤷🏻
If Barron went in the service they would make him an officer. Can you imagine being stuck with him as your LT? No thanks, please keep him out of it.
A butterbar is a butterbar. If your SGT can't handle your LT you have bigger problems than who your LT is
I'll bust his kneecaps so he's short enough!
Just a JOKE (I guess)
I worried about conscription after 9-11 when I was in my twenties. I'm too old for this to affect me (I know, "total war"). Let the MAGA youth go get slaughtered. I truly no longer care. Fuck 'em. Anyone who objects, I hope you're safe.
I used to be such a nice guy. Fuck you, MAGA. I've stopped hating you and I hope you die.
It’s a kind thing to hate MAGA. “Living and letting live” these people is only possible if you simply have the privilege to ignore what they are doing to those who don’t have that ability. That complacency completely strips any option of being a nice person away.
The hate you have for them is not the same hate they have for you. They hate as a basic instinct because they are afraid of anything they don’t understand and they refuse to ever learn anything new. You and I hate them because they’re taking that hate and literally killing innocent people over it before our eyes. Not hating them would be an awful thing.
You're spot on, I just realized that expressing hate for MAGA in public is like an exchange of kindness as much as it is anger or frustration.
You know that conscription affects all youth, right?
Not the children of the wealthy
Maybe, but one less MAGAt is still one less MAGAt—no matter who it is.
Force MAGA voters to the front of the line. They're the ones who wanted this from the beginning. Go put your money where your mouth is, losers.
They will conscript anyone who voted Dem or anyone whos parents voted dem first.
Not ruling anything out is their favorite bait, just another way to flood the zone with shit.
Yup. It's easy to spot when "news" fits these criteria:
The key here is that it's noise designed to wear you out by provoking hypothetical scenarios in your head. This is intended to saturate the minds of the most dangerous opposition of all: The smart and educated. It'll go flying right over the heads of everyone else, but they have other tactics for that.
It also doesn't matter if they say they ruled it out and then do it anyway. Their cult worships them no matter what. I just saw a woman whose kid was murdered by ICE and she still supports Trump. Also his fans love the Iran war. The propaganda doesn't even matter anymore, which is why it's so sloppy and lazy, because their base will eat it up no matter what. They're have complete faith in Trump. Hell, they'll make up their own propaganda in their heads at this point, justifying literally anything.
Enjoy this MAGAts!
I think they should be the first to volunteer. They were the ones stupid enough to think it was the Democratic Party that was warlike (LOL) and voted for the pedophile used car salesman.
I've been on fb goading them into signing up. They won't, but it feels good
They won’t be the ones drafted.
Perfect username!
How much you wanna bet he'll force this mostly on his enemies, Democrat registered voters and beyond. He'd probably pull a Russia and put middle aged people on the front lines.
ICE repurposed to chase down draft dodgers and press gang anyone under 40 into the war effort
Though this potential strategy might backfire to a civil-war where both sides are somewhat equally trained...
Democrats registered voters are not US government enemies
They're still his enemies because they didn't vote for him. It doesn't take a high level intellect to see he'd weaponize conscription that way.
It's a good thing they have all of our voting data and will be able to target conscription on those they don't like, which is exactly why and how they would do this.
He’ll probably figure out some way to target blue states only.
He’s really familiar with draft dodging so he won’t be surprised when the majority tells him to fuck right off
They'll do it by Zip code. That will magically eliminate red state white kids.
Indeed and that is how the fuck Vlad selects conscripts for his shitty war.
I'd also bet that they will make sure to only draft those who don't have a lot of firearms. Makes it easier to drag them out of their house.
Conscription, you say? Nice, I'd be joining straight away if it weren't for my...OUCH, my bone spurs. They are killing me today. Sooooooo much pain.
Only Old Draft Dodging Donvict Drumpf knows how much pain I'm in right now...
Lmao everyone should get bone spurs as a reason from their doctors.
Not me. Some of us are too tall.
That mattered when the world was sane. "You have bone spurs and you're not the son of someone named in the Epstein files? Great! We need more meat shields. To the front line with you for the glory of our exaulted leader Donald Trump! Your sacrifice will help hasten the end of days in the name of Jesus Christ! God bless America."
"I'm drafted? I really do hope none of my tRUMP supporting colleagues and officers ever get shot by friendly fire. That would be just terrible..."
That'll be fun. If I know I'm going to die overseas, with my skin peeled off or bones shattered, or I can die at home with a few bullet holes, I know which one I'll be choosing. Easy enough to make sure bullet holes magically appear in assholes, as well.
Luckily it's all hypothetical for me. Too old, too sick, and too busy not even having a permanent address :/
Fuck man. I wish the best for you. Home insecurity is a massive drain. The American people deserve so much better than this. From an Iranian.
They'd have to drag me out of bed, through training, and then keep me from killing this in charge the second I was armed. Good luck fascist cunts.
they will just put you into a work concentration camp where people will beat you to do those things for free
slave labor is on the table as it has always been here in the usa
If my life is already forfeit at that point, then everything I do will be in retaliation. A person with nothing left to lose is the most dangerous person. If everyone came with that attitude, it would make anything like conscription a nightmare.
I would argue slave labor never went away in your wonderful country. It's just dressed up a little differently. See: for profit prison system.
Prisoners are excplicitly allowed to be used as slaves as per 13th amendment. It doesn't sugarcoat or rationalize it, just states that you can keep slaves if you're punishing them for a crime.
Britain did this during WWII. Over 10% of their draftees were sent down into the fucking coal mines instead of going off to shoot nazis.
My son won't go. Try to make him.
Everybody’s son needs to get a case of the bone spurs.
Why the fuck would anyone want to go fight on the other side of the globe in an imperial war of aggression, when they can use the same energy to fight their fascist government at home?
Because fuck the libtards? Less vehement than it was before but many of them still see the liberal cause as weak, unmasculine, ineffective, and see the conservative cause as the opposite. People - especially young insecure men - want to identify with Strong Daddy Trump. We can't lose sight of that, doing so is why we lost a generation of young men entirely.
Then let's show them the leftist cause. You have no power in society and don't get paid enough because you're not a union man. Band together with your bros and stick it to the upper management who never actually works.
Whoever this "Nilsson" is, we know they're a moron. Because those kids are getting the best deferments money can buy.
All of the people I work with regardless of age, gender, race, or bank account are fully wanting a draft to send “libs, LGBTQ, black, brown, etc” people to the front lines to die or war will somehow turn them straight.
Because sending people who hate war to go to war is going to work out absolutely swimmingly, I'm sure. You definitely won't have people constantly going AWOL or refusing orders or, god forbid, organizing as a unit after they've been given weapons and training to kill their superior officers and take the base on home soil for their own.
These people are fucking morons asking for the worst possible outcomes.
Unfortunately that's the only outcome I see after conscription. It's been a stressful month and maybe it's just my bad mood, but I don't see any path forward from conscription that doesn't lead through open, violent civil war. I mean look how well training Mujahideen went, let's just train American Liberals (who profess to hate guns) this time.
What a fine bunch of people you work with.
Have you thought about a new job?
Sounds like some people need to be reminded why OSHA exists.
I work in the mining industry I’ve worked here for 21 years now, I’m born and raised here most of them are from outa state I’m not leaving out of spite.
Many black veterans of WW2 went on to support the civil rights movement or to oppose the Klanners in their homeland. I wouldn't be surprised if gay furry drone operators would be the next wave of militant activists if conscription is a thing.
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you ... but did you say anything? Like did you call em out and tell em they're brain is being held down by stupid while being fucked by crazy?
I'm not trying to say go cussing at them... but I see so many stories like this. "At my such and such they said such and such.." And then it's like, what did y'all just let it go?
Make noise. Call em out. Make them uncomfortable. I do it. You say stupid shit like that, then I'm gonna say stupid shit like "Well if this is a holy war, the Christians should go first. God might be mad if you send the gays."
I'm sorry if I'm coming off rude. It just we got to stand up for ourselves. Not just big protests, but even small spaces. It why I dislike the people on here that go. "Posting online doesn't help blah blah." YES the fuck it does. Letting them know in every aspect of their lives that someone somewhere out there won't take their shit makes them mad. It ruins their lives.
So call them out every where. Say something atleast.
Again, I'm sorry, this isn't all directed at you, my friend.
No I don’t say anything to them. When Covid was going on they were insane and I did try to correct them about it but that quickly escalated to the point where I was getting death threats and I had to be moved to another crew. Since then I just listen and observe them.
I mean, I guess I'm just cut from a different cloth. If someone threatened me with death, I would go ape shit. They only did to shut you up, and it sounds like they got what they wanted. Seriously, just cause they aren't sending you death threats now doesn't mean they don't want you any less dead. So why keep quite? They're crazy? Shit you are insane then.
I've been threatened for my beliefs before, and I straight up told the dude I would gut him and shit in the wound. Of course they're gonna act crazy, but they're pussies. Think about it. They are threatened by gay folks. Some of the chillest folks. Trans folks make them break down. They're weak. They use threats of violence to scare us, and we all go. "They're crazy they threatened me with death." Every day these fuckers are threatening you with death, just under their breathe. But the moment you start threatening them back, either they'll go "it was just a joke." Or "I didn't mean it like that." Or they'll cower away.
In my rant, I will say, be ready to fight. Even if you aren't a fighter, always be aware of what weapons or items you have around. Remember, knees and faces are weak and no such thing as a fair fight. Pull hair. Bite. Jam a finger in an eye. Tyson their ear. Whatever it takes to win.
I am really sorry you have to deal with it. I wish I could clone myself and send my crazy ass to these folks. I just can't back down from it. Maybe it's the way my mama raised me, but if you're gonna threaten the communities I care about and the people I care about, we can spill blood. We can spill it in the gutters, in the streets, and on the rocks.
Please do be safe, though.
I appreciate the concern, trust me I’m perfectly fine and safe I’ve been through a lot in my life. I was diagnosed with a severe mental illness when I was a teenager and have struggled with that most of my life. And in all honesty dealing with these asshats is a walk in the park compared to my darkest days as a teenager.
We should send Debbie's fat ass from accounting. Fuck her, and the rest of her magat friends.
And if you didn't report them to HR, you're part of the problem.
I’m with you 110% but it’s so bad here that everyone from the top down is like this. The mining industry is pretty bad.
Jesus, if I knew I could 100% get an abuse payout from being abused at work I'd wear a wire or invest in some camera glasses, get a lawyer & burn that place to the fucking ground. "Mine owner" sounds like they'd make for a nice fat pinata.
I bet they don't even give you the HR training that would inform you how exposed they are here.
Yep pretty much you hit the nail on the head. We don’t really get any training on HR issues. I remember a few years ago there was a female employee that complained she was getting sexually harassed. HR didn’t do anything. All they did was move her to a different department and the person who was doing the harassing got away with less than a slap on the wrist.
For one incident, that might be enough, but if you can show it's a culture there, that the people at the top knew or participated, then it could get expensive.
Yes very true. The other issue is that being in a small rural town there is a lot of the good old boys you scratch my back I scratch yours happens a lot here not just at the job site, but in life in general here.
A lot of commanding officers are about to have accidents if they do that.
Yeah, I thought if anything, Vietnam tought the lesson that the draft is a terrible idea for overseas deployment.
Of course, learning from history is not exactly the style of this administration.
Lol they'd better not give me any grenades
I would give most of the grenade back.
Well yea, I want to bring home a souvenir and the corporal's boots are way over there!
All the senator's sons safe tho.
It ain't me, it ain't me!
Most senators' sons are in their fifties
Don't care! Send them anyway!
Born too late to get drafted into Iraq.
Born too early to get drafted into Iran.
Thank you mama and papa for getting freaky in the 90s.
Edit: btw feds, I smoked the weed in 2024, or 2014, or maybe it was 2004. I can't remember cuz the weed erased all my memories. That's what those schedule 1 drugs do, crazy shit worse than meth. Just typing this is giving me weed flashbacks. Smoke the weed once 40 years ago and now that its already 2006 right now I don't think anyone is fit for service.
Don’t get too excited about the pot-out-of-draft card. If this regime doesn’t hand you a shitty rifle with a coffee can for a helmet to get rid of their lib opponents by throwing them at the meatgrinder they’ll just send you to a work camp and starve you to death.
Yeah, it's worth keeping your head down and finding a way to feed just enough into the system while grinding as much as possible to a halt (without harming your neighbors)
He's going to do a Russia and use it to get rid of political dissidents and rivals.
Ouch, my bone spurs.
I regret to inform you that I have boneitis
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One of the few injuries that would have me acting that way. I've walked off broken legs like an idiot, but I'm not walking on none spurs.
I got a spiral fracture jumping off a cliff on my snowboard and rode for a few more hours before I decided it wasn't a bruise or twist. The snowboard boot kept it in place.
I got a bone spur once and I missed out on three wars.
Fragging is BACK on the menu boys!
I say this as a veteran and an officer.
Same here and I entered during the late 1980's. In our ranks, we had plenty of Vietnam War NCO's, with CIB's, calmly explaining to us young cadets/officers what happened to the shitty leadership. Big reason why I do not to fuck with people and their lives when the shit is serious.
FIFA Peace Prize laureate former Cadet Bonespurs will maintain peace by bringing back the draft. I hope all the fighting age Z/A males have exactly the life they voted for.
I hope each Z/A man gets the life he voted for.
Gen alpha? The oldest gen a just started high school. So yeah I hope those voting gen a kids really get what they deserve.
I also have to speak on the matter of gen z. As an older gen z male (old enough that under current rules I can't be drafted) I know the data holds that my demografic swung right in 2024. Not by as much as some act. But substantially enough to not ignore it. But I don't know very many right wingers in my age group, so its hard to feel like something wasn't missed. I would believe it if someone said that people my age were so far left that they refused to vote blue and that cost the election, but I can't find any evidence of that.turnout was a bit lower generation wide, but not enough among men to make the argument that only the right wing men voted, unless there was a considerable surge among right wing youth turnout as well as a duo in turnout on the left for the same demographic.
But now I'm rambling. Either way, its hard not to see millenials turning on us as a betrayal even if we statistically deserve it. Growing up and seeing all the articles where millenials ruined this or that and always being able to clearly see that the fault was not on the young adults but the society and industries, if there was even anything wrong with the change anyway. And I think everyone felt that way, not just those of us who were left leaning.
And how I've had to drag some of the millenials I've known to see reason on trans issues and how they say the same things about me that people my parents age said about them it just really sinks in how cyclclical it all is and how no one tries to communicate on a level that actually breeds conversation. The brain sets as neroplasticity fades and now I am approximately who I will always be. And I hope I can look at gen alpha when they become adults and understand them, or at least try.
TIL draft age cutoff is lower than maximum enlistment age. Closest is USMC at 28 years old enlistment cutoff. Weird.
They are stupid enough to use them, then watch the fallout cloud blow over Israel.
Or Snowcrash or Neuromancer or Bladerunner or...
More bullshit for the masses
The bullshit are the files.
https://feddit.org/post/26820899
How is the US going to stay on top? The draft is needed, Iran is the warm-up.
We have the largest and most capable military in the world by far. There won't be a draft until things get waaaay worse
That's what I expect. How else can the US stay on top?
You clowns do not have enough soldiers to occupy and police Iran. FFS Tehran has 9 million people! In addition, your blowing about a $1 billion USD daily under the current cluster fuck and your treasury cannot afford another lengthy war.
Ok... not sure how thats a response to what I said but ok
You can pry my sons from my cold dead hands. Send Trump and his kids!
Oh they're counting on it. You're going to be shot as a traitorous agitator and domestic terrorist for resisting.
The motherfucking racist pedo chicken shit draft dodger is seriously considering military conscription, eh. Every single MAGA fuck should be lining up at the US Army Recruiting Office and signing the dotted line for 11B (Infantry).
I foresee a sudden dramatic increase in cases of bone spurs
I’ve never been so happy to have a legit bone spur.
A draft would ensure an entire generation never votes Republican again.
Brave of you to assume that elections will even be held.
Won’t matter to the cabinet when their limbs are gibbetted across the land
Lol so true either way
Who do you think is going to be drafted? You think the DOGE data grab plus the requests for state voter registration rolls aren't going to be used to filter a draft of the front lines to those they want out of the country?
How do you get US citizens out of the country if you can't legally deport them?
If they've been doing illegal shit the whole time with profiling, do you really think they aren't going to also profile in how they conduct a draft?
And if you draft all of your political enemies to be the bulk of your military force, you’re giving them the training and the weaponry/keys to everything that allows them to go ahead with a coup.
That’s a bold strategy. They’re kind of fucked in both scenarios.
Not if they use the Russian approach of not training you, not giving you a proper weapon, and sending you out to swarm the enemy and keep them busy killing you in large numbers. And shooting you themselves if you ask questions.
It's really a question of scale. You don't make the majority of your draftees political draftees. Imagine if only one in twenty soldiers is drafted due to their political activities. You're not trying to draft every single person in the country that would want to vote against you. Rather, you draft people who start up resistance movements or alternative political parties. You don't draft everyone who attends the protest. But you do draft all the protest leaders. You start with the most prominent and go down the line until you've filled up as many of your political drafts as you feel comfortable.
It can be a very useful tool for a despot to target their political opposition. And it also has a silencing effect. It won't take long for people to notice and to prove that the draft board is politically biased. But then the courts OK it for some bullshit reason. Now you live in a country with a draft board that is politically motivated and not even trying to hide it. Imagine what effect that has on people's willingness to resist the regime.
But yeah, imagine being one of those political draftees. You're one in twenty. And everyone is told you're a political draftee, so no one wants to trust you. They know even being near you could cast suspicion on them. The vast majority of those around you are just poor unlucky bastards whose number came up. They tried their best to remain outside of politics, but politics came for them anyway. They just want to quietly do their time, keep their head down, and do their best to survive. Imagine being one of those one in twenty and trying to organize a coup. Maybe it would work. But history shows such rebellions are quite rare.
Not if you ship them all off to be killed in war with little to no training first.
Seems likely from Putin fan Krasnov.
They're going to be used as cannon fodder. They're not ever coming home to be in a position to do a coup.
The people who were drafted and watched people get drafted into the Vietnam War are Trump's most reliable voting bloc. What are you basing your statement on?
If he tries to do this and gets the information needed from databrokers and social media companies along with leaked data from DOGE's info theft...
And if there is no drive for privacy laws that crush those same companies then I will simply lose all hope.
Edit: also in the same way that the UK is demanding that every country follow their dumbass law, they need to try to force that privacy law back. India, China, the UAE, they be forced to comply or eat shit.
Now playing Creedence Clearwater Revival - Fortunate Son
The scariest demographic group for Dictators is military age males, which can be corraled and turned into a rebel army. So it's important to gain control of them first, and putting them into the military to spread out across the globe, is a perfect solution.
Send all the magatards
lol try it motherfucker.
I'm old AF and already lived my life. Those fuckers will literally have to kill me to take you kids.
can i come hide in your abode cuz ive still got another few years before ive aged out
Newspeak for “We don’t have a clue what the moron will do next, so ‘The lord moves in mysterious ways…’”
Fox: "It's not a war!"
Trump: "It's a war."
Send ice
"It's not a war."
"The war will be over in a few days."
"Maybe...conscription?"
Either they have no idea what they are doing or they are just plain evil. There is no middle ground.
They are evil people who don't know what they're doing because they're also dumb and inexperienced.
Also:
"Some American may die."
"We could put boots on the ground."
Lol. I dare them to make me fight for Israel.
I'm 67, and I have so many degrees, they'd have to make me an officer. Trust me, no one wants that.
Sadly, we all have "bone spurs", sorry my guy
captain bone spurs wants conscription; that’s rich
Why on earth would the US government risk a public outrage when they can just keep the system as it is and have poor people enlist for money?
Probably because they're planning to start more wars than they have bodies of poor people to cover
Plus, if raping children doesn't generate enough public outrage to create consequences, they know they have a green light to say or do anything they want
Fascism is capitalism in decay. As capitalism "runs out of runway", the capitalists start stripping the country for parts. In order to distract people/tamp down revolutionary anger, and squeeze the last profits, they'll reorient society towards total war. War at home and abroad.
sorry kiddo you are going to be too busy fighting a war at home if you do this.
Obligatory: https://www.draftbarrontrump.com/
President Bonespurs thinks conscription is a good idea, eh?
Come on, didn't you hear the language they're using to describe war, like "double tap" 😉? It'll be fun, just like a video game. Except when you die it's permanent.
Come on! Don't be a 😺 be a penguin 🐧
Btw, this is almost definitely an AI rip off of the footprints in the sand poster, right? I know the actual picture of the penguin isn't, but if you gave AI a prompt to use that image and convey blind faith, loyalty, nationalism and Trump as a savior, what do you think it would generate?
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but knowing how propaganda is supposed to work, I can say it definitely caught some part of my own subconscious, and reminded me of iconic Christian pop culture I was surrounded by growing up. If you're unfamiliar with the poem,
"Stray from the crowd" via conscription into the king's military. Individualism is selfish. Your path has already been decided and laid out for you. So go protect the profits of the wealthy pedophiles destroying America and shitting on the constitution.
Don't think too much about it. This is God's will. It's all in the Bible (if you squint).
You'll just have to trust us.
It's qanon manifest. "Trust the plan" and all liberals are traitors has become literally just the GOP platform at this point.
And the insanity of it is, they keep winning.
It's horrifying isn't it?
I'm torn between wanting full revolution and worrying if that scenario will only cause more death and suffering in the long run...
I worry that anything short of systemic change to the US's political and economic systems will simply reset the clock and we will be right back here again before we know it.
At this point I'm practically an anarchist. Systems of power seem to only beget suffering and exploitation. I don't know what the answer is....but it's not this....
I'm going to get a metric fuckton of down votes for this, BUT "revolution" will never ever ever happen in the United States. The vast majority of Americans are simply too wrapped up in themselves to give a shit.
I can't really disagree, but I also can't give up hope that said turdwafflers might, for lack of a better term...wake up to the reality of what the US has become.
I know we have a long long way to go, but many of the "oh I really don't follow politics" people I know have started changing their tune after the shit show that was and is ICE I'm MN.
That said, I'm from MN so I can't speak to how it feels on the ground in other states.
Can someone drop a house on this bitch already?
There are like so many people working on this rn.
No shit.
I’m old enough to where if I get called things had to have somehow gotten even more terrible. If it comes to that they can lick my fucking taint. I’m not going to war even if the put a rifle in my mouth.
The admin is fully hallucinating if the think there ain’t a bunch of folks like me that would much rather forget their life than fight for this admin.
🤡
Thank god I’ve aged out of military service and the draft. Plus I’m disabled. So have fun maga fucks!
One of the only times I've been "happy" that I'm 40, overweight, and barred from re-enlistment/IRR/drafts.
Oh don't you worry, they'll lower the standards so you and all us others can be included.