Spyke
lemmy.world

While I'm happy that it's Motorola, i just wish someone like Fairphone also bites the bullet of investing in a proper encryption chip that's acceptable to Grapheneos. I'd like to see more or a trifecta (duofecta?) of trustworthy OS and sustainable/committed manufacturer.

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lemmy.world

Now is this the REAL Motorola or is it the brand name that Lenovo got a hold of. Cause real Motorola doesnt make consumer phones anymore.

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lemmy.world

Lenovo's Motorola, if you ask me. I don't think there's much left at all from original Motorola. But they had a decent track record with their recent phones, AFAIK. Not that I've owned any from Motorola.

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My wife's previous phone was a Moto One Hyper. Pretty well made device, especially for the price.

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lemmy.zip

I currently own the 2023 Motorola edge+ and love it. Its got flagship features at like half the price. I bought it for like $700 2-3 years ago.

  • Snapdragon 8 gen 2
  • 8GB RAM
  • 512GB storage
  • IP 68
  • Triple camera 50-50-12MP
  • Stereo sound
  • WiFi7, Bluetooth LE
  • NFC
  • Fingerprint sensor under the screen
  • 68W charging

The ONLY real drawback that I've had over 2 years is that the front glass is curved and breaks too easily for being Gorilla Glass. The curved design also means that case options are super limited so its a double whammy.

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skarnreply
discuss.tchncs.de

GrapheneOS requires I think a few other things, like the possibility to completely disable the data lines in the USB port, and a bunch of others.

The problem with Fairphone is that they have rather high demands (e.g. long term support for hardware, better production practices) but they are a rather small outfit, so the default answer from parts manufacturers is "talk to the hand".

As they grow they'll become more interesting

I would argue that Fairphone with /e/OS is a combination of a committed/sustainable manufacturer with a trustworthy OS. It does not actively spy or screw with you, and it tries to prevent snooping in many places.

Of course it's not nearly as security hardened as GrapheneOS, so that may be an unacceptable compromise to some.

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like the possibility to completely disable the data lines in the USB port

the fairphone 4 can do that, calyxos makes use of it

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detrenreply
sh.itjust.works

I think they just released the fair phone 6 not too long ago so it’ll take a while even if it’s on the tables.

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I know....I guess it's just wishful thinking for the future. I've gotten a 2nd hand pixel pro last year. That's...a lot of storage and memory, just about as much as my laptop. Should last me for a while (I hope it won't physically break for any reason!), so I won't immediately ride this Motorola wave anyway.

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Fairphone has a slightly different focus, mainly sustainability and ethics (labour rights, production). Graphene's more on the privacy side.

Would be dope though, to have it on there as well.

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krashmoreply
lemmy.world

Fairphone does partner with Murena for e/os. It's pretty similar to grapheoneOS

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skarnreply
discuss.tchncs.de

I wouldn't say that it's pretty similar.

They have rather different goals and feature sets.

Sent from my FP4 with /e/OS.

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They are more similar than they are dissimilar. Only uber nerds see the differences more prominently

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Luffyreply
lemmy.ml

Im sorry, I think your have spelled LinaegeOS, an OS thats not even security based but to support old Hardware which security has already been compromised by missing Firmware.

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lemmy.zip

If we want GOS to grow, we need to welcome and help people understanding the differences. We don't need to be pedantic schmucks.

Sent from my GrapheneOS phone

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skarnreply
discuss.tchncs.de

If you want to convince GOS users to occasionally drop their sense of superiority, it looks like you have your work cut out for you.

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lemmy.world

You know, I’d love a razr flip with graphene. Bring it on.

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piefed.ca

Ooo I'm sure this is likely for future models, but I was actually pondering getting a cheap pixel to try out graphene and see what it'd be like compared to my Razr. Maybe I'll have to wait a bit to see how this develops.

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plateeereply
piefed.social

You can find older pixels on swappa for cheap - my understanding is that we won't see a GrapheneOS phone earlier than 2027 (which admittedly is only 9 months away).

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which admittedly is only 9 months away

Don't you dare say such a thing

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(which admittedly is only 9 months away).

More like 10+however long it takes for it to complete months

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I got my Pixel 9a for just around 500 euros.

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The best thing about Motorola is that they ship with a very stock android ROM. It's also the worst bit, because there's nobody maintaining any software. Handballing software maintenance to GrapheneOS would be sweet.

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lemmy.world

This genuinely so fucking smart from Motorola. Whomever is greenlighting this needs major kudos. We're in a world where everyone wants to move away from US technology now and Google/Apple have monopolized the market. Motorola is making this move RIGHT when everywhere else is going "Is there literally nothing else we can use???" Good play esp as they need to up the specs on a new device to handle Graphene. I am looking forward to seeing what they come up with.

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devnevreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Isn't Motorola still a US company though? How is this a move away from US tech?

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seeddreply
lemmy.world

Nope, moto mobility is owned by lenovo. So chinese.

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devnevreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Looking at Wikipedia now, Motorola Mobility is owned by Lenovo but still a US based company, so kinda the worst of both, no?

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ezyryderreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

the irony of a company most definitely compromised by the greatest censorial government on earth marketing a private and secure mobile OS.

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0ddysseusreply
lemmy.world

The irony of somehow thinking the chinese gov is worse than the US

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ezyryderreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

we dont need to pit two bad bitches against each other. but at least we aren't being fully censored yet over here 🤷‍♂️ China is leagues more competent at censoring their people and they actually have the will to do it.

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0ddysseusreply
lemmy.world

Are you serious? We dont censor people in the great and free western empire? Go look at reddit, facebook, twitter, or any fucking news stream you absolute twit

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programming.dev

I Fucking love Motorola, I'm cumming as I'm reading this. Thank you Motorola.

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Fijxureply
programming.dev

At first I though the chop was so useless but I use it all the time now, lol.

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Everybody is always amazed when I do it while they're still stumbling around looking for their flashlight toggle lol

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Unfortunately I was an idiot and uninstalled it when I was debloating my phone. I reinstalled moto actions, but the chop for flashlight doesn't work unless it's recently after a reboot (the turn for camera does though). Legitimately temped to make a backup then factory reset my phone to get it back.

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Sounds like a good choice. Motorola has some very good budget phones and also good high-end phones. All running pretty clean versions of Android. I hope GrapheneOS will support both a flagship (or midrange) and a budget phone.

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This is hilarious to me because other than a Samsung once (which made me go back) I had only moto... Until when I finally upgraded I wanted grapheneOS so pixel it was. Very happy about this.

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Glad to see this. Motorola seemed like a solid choice. Hopefully we'll get some specs and release dates when they officially unveil it. I know it was pushed back to 2027, so I'm hoping for a Q1 2027 release. I've been holding off on getting a pixel in the hopes of getting a non-Google GrapheneOS phone. It would be nice if I don't wind up having to wait too much longer.

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MWC 2026 announcement likely, but devices may not ship until 2027

Motorola is expected to formally announce the partnership [in March]. With MWC 2026 around the corner, the timing would make strategic sense.

In case others were wondering, MWC 2026 is March 2-5. So, hopefully we'll have official verification by the end of the week.

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lemmy.world

According to the article, it was a little obvious that it'd be Motorola. To me it's unexpected as I wasn't following this all that closely. In any case, I'm personally pleased with the OEM choice. I'll need to do some research on Motorola's smartphones to prepare for the one/s that support Graphene.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

They are basically stock android with minimal bloatware for a decent price. I've been using them for years. There's the whole Lenovo scandal but its hard to find any decent phone I want nowadays so concessions need to be made somewhere

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DupaCyckireply
lemmy.world

I'm mainly interested in the hardware, i.e., screen, camera, build quality, that kind of stuff. Though it's good to know about the software, since Graphene will most likely be the same with its security features.

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Their hardware's usually 'fine' not great, but with decent screens and battery life.

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dukatosreply
lemmy.zip

I have Edge 50 pro and I can tell you it is full of shit. Meta services, their own shitty services installing crap of their choice, adware they are reenabling as soon as you disable it... You'll need adb to remove all that.

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To me it’s unexpected as I wasn’t following this all that closely.

I was following closely - checking for updates weekly or more, while struggling to be so much as content with my P9FP and trying to decide whether to upgrade to a P10FP (marginal upgrades on paper, but they really help out in the weakest areas).

Still entirely unexpected to me, and even in my wildest hypotheticals, Motorola was not on my radar.

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lemmy.ml

It's great to see a mainstream OEM work with GOS. I really hope Motorola will make phones with an actual headphone jack. That's my no. 1 complaint about modern Pixel hardware.

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Haven't had a Motorola in many years. Hopefully this works out well and we get a really nice piece of hardware that isn't subject to the whims of Google.

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lemmy.ml

This is how a functioning capitalist system should work. Companies competing against each other for the benefit of the consumer.

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The purpose of a system is what it does. Capitalism is functioning, it's just that we're not the beneficiaries.

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lemmy.world

If Motorola is willing to have a non-shitty operating system, why can't they just put a non-shitty operating system on at the factory? All the stock Android OS I've seen lately, including Motorola's, are crappy, have privacy settings disabled, and in many cases are full of unremovable malware.

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Well, Google wants to continue their trend of spyware and people don't give enough shits for anything to change. Same as with smartphone manufacturers removing features (SD cards, removable battery) and car manufacturers adding spyware and unnecessarily complexifying cars to make them less sustainable.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Because that was not their goal before, they were OK with the level of freedom their users had with stock Android. With the future restrictions Google will apply to Android they are probably looking to ship their new devices with Graphene to prevent that.

I used Motorola's products with Android for years and they one of the few in the market to still deliver something close to stock Android with only a couple of apps added for specific features (gestures to turn off flash lantern, etc) so I don't where you got this malware thing going on with them. Unless you count everything Google as malware, in that case yes.

Now I got a Samsung and it's one of my worst experiences ever using their "One UI" and it is really riddled with crap because Samsung for some reason thinks they need to add their own versions of every app included in stock Android.

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Unless you count everything Google as malware, in that case yes

Yes, but more urgently, Facebook.

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Fuck yeah, solid shoid of brand.

Although I don't know how good motorolas camera game is if you are more serious about the camera.

Edit... Not sure how I got shoid from typing choice...

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Amen! I was using a note 13pro until all the carriers in the United States blocked it the month that Trump took office.

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lemmy.world

I remember having a motorola razr when i was younger. Loved the design

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lemmy.ml

It will be great if this reaches the Moto G series. I'm sure the Fairphone is nice but it's 4x as expensive--no thanks.

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ibotreply
feddit.org

My guess is, that they will offer a new Thinkphone model with GraphenOS to target business customers.

But of course I don't know it, just guessing.

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lemmy.ca

I'm very confused this news. Reddit sub said it wasn't Motorola. This post claimed it's Motorola.

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lemmy.ml

Motorola had made several classic phones.I hope this will be their true comeback.

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Something I’ve been thinking about: independent security projects often face pressure once corporate partnerships or funding enter the picture.

Does GrapheneOS have any structural safeguards to ensure development priorities remain community-driven if hardware vendors become more involved?

I’m not assuming there’s a problem — just interested in how projects like this avoid the “venture capital influence” problem that has affected other open source initiatives.

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Tbh, not a huge fan of the pick. I had various Motorola Droid phones for years before switching to Samsung. All of the Droids were horribly underpowered after 2 years and the batteries only had 1/2 of their original capacity by that point. Then I got a Samsung S10e and it lasted 5+ years.

I seriously hope Motorola has gotten rid of their planned obsolescence policy in the past few years. It's nice that there's going to be a second vendor option for GrapheneOS soon, but I wish it was a better vendor

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WhyJiffiereply
sh.itjust.works

what would you consider a better vendor? samsung, xiaomi, oneplus? those all have been plenting more and more malware into their phones from the factory, sometimes making it seem like a feature, and recently they started to bar owners from replacing the OS on it by taking away the option to unlock the bootloader

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Motorola flagship phones are decent. I've been running a razr (the flip alternative) and its been solid. They're not groundbreaking but they are a good bang for your money

Their low budget ones aren't that good because they cost like 200 usd and run on bare minimums

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I would like it even more to see that working on a Xiaomi or Samsung

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I sense Motorolas authentic belief in me as our pact is formed....

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There wasn't exactly anyone else it could be except Motorola Mobility. It's not much of a leak since we all already knew.

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