Insider Confirms Sony Ditching PC Ports: "You'll Be Seeing Fewer Single Player Games Arrive on PC."
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Darn.
Was really hoping my PC would do for playing future Horizon (not Hunters Gathering) and GoW games.
Didn't need a PS5, but I guess Sony doesn't want my money anymore.
Too bad.
We have PS4 emulation already, thanks to Bloodborne fans. With enough patience you will be able to play it on pc
I don't think the upcoming games are coming to PS4.
The Forbidden West DLC was already PS5/PC exclusive.
Went decades without them. Didn't really play the ones that did become available.. No loss as far as I'm concerned.
As someone who played them all voraciously on PS5 then downloaded their repacks once they became available to mod the fuck out of them to give them new life to me, this hurts a lot.
Don’t worry, this is not the first time they’ve done this. They’ll be back.
They released Lego Horizon on Nintendo Switch. Marathon will even come to Xbox.
So you paid for them on PS5 but pirated them on PC? Great job telling Sony you don't want PC versions.
Buddy I barely have enough money for food and rent, last thing I'm doing is spending money to play the same single player game twice. Sony know computer players have steam and are frugal, that is why they are okay with abandoning the market while the going is tough for the average working class denizen of Earth. God knows they were never getting my money twice and so did Sony.
PS what are you trying to accomplish with this comment? Is it fun to just openly shill for capitalism?
100%, he already paid for them
Yeah, I unlike the OP don't like online games. I love story not just randomly shooting at things.
I don't know what you're referring to, but it sounds like you're saying PC games are all online and PS has the only story games. Is that right?
If that is what you're saying, you couldn't be more wrong. All the CRPGs are on PC, for example. We have more exclusives than any other platform (not saying exclusives are good, just that PC is easier to make and distribute for). The best offline games are arguably (without much debate) on PC.
The only ones I was remotely interested we're Demons souls remake (which never came to PC) and Bloodborne remake (which never happened in the first place). For the rest of Sony games I gave most of them a fair shot but none of them made me think "wow, this was a must play".
Not officially: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqOs2chL3NQ
Returnal is very good. Otherwise, Meh
Returnal came to PC. Honestly, I think it looks cool but I didn't care for it. Everything it did, except for graphics, has been done better by indies. It felt pretty bland in my opinion, but probably pretty unique if you only play AAA.
I've found that most of their games are overpriced and take years to lose their value, as well as being more demanding of hardware then their image quality suggests. Still, a shame to lose a publisher doing AAA single player games that aren't live service slop.
Which of their games don’t run well on 8-year old mid range hardware? The last of us remakes built for ps5?
PS makes pretty much all my favorite PC games so that's unfortunate for me.
Hey Sony, you know what's going to happen?
People are just not gonna play those games instead of buying a PS5 to play them.
Congrats on setting your money on fire.
Yeah, but the sad part is the games and the people who made them will get the short end of this stupid decision. The dipshit executives will see poor sales for such and such game and decide people didn't like the game, rather than that their dipshit decision drove away customers. Best case they decide to meddle harder in future releases, further enshitifying their games and hurting game developers.
Sony's strategy has been all over the place. This should have been the stance at the launch of PS5, if anything, not now.
I bought all of their consoles up to the PS4 but never got the use out of them that I did with my PC.
When they started releasing games on PC they (Sony) started getting money from me again because the games are great. But I guess they didn’t like that! And since I’m not buying a console, because they’re a scam, they won’t be getting my money.
Their loss. I won't buy a PS5 or later anyway.
LOL.
I mean, oh no! What will I do now? I only have a hundred thousand other games I can play now.
Guess I'll just not play PlayStation games now and go spend my money on amazing indie titles that seem to blow everything else out of the water these days.
Yeah.
TBH there are too many PC games. It’s overcrowded. Sony has some great studios, but it’s not like the platform will wither because they leave.
But like someone said, I’m more worried Sony thinks PC hardware won’t be viable anymore, and is exiting a dying platform. I know that seems inconceivable now, but a few years AMD/Intel/Nvidia could easily decide higher end gaming hardware is just not worth developing.
It’s already started, seeing AMDs and Intel already cut some GPUs and Nvidia is allegedly pondering the same.
And the same can't be said for consoles? I mean, not to go all nihilistic or something, but if high end hardware is being threatened then why would Nvidia or AMD or Intel even bother with custom SOCs for consoles too? All of that manufacturing, R&D, and materials can go towards AI data center products.
Putting aside the current hardware apocalypse happening...
To play devil's advocate a bit. If I was Sony and I saw my competitor, Microsoft, shoot themselves in the feet so much that they are no longer in the console space then...why wouldn't I capitalize on that and take advantage of being the only home console available? I can release all of my first party stuff on my console only so people have to buy my console.
Sure some Xbox gamers are going to go PC, but the majority don't want a PC. They want a console they can plug into a TV and press Play on whatever game and it just works. If Microsoft doesn't produce Xbox's anymore, where are they going to go? Nintendo? Lmao. It'll be a PlayStation.
I think this move is just Sony doubling down on their platform and titles. I for one would advise against buying a console at this point because you are locked down to their ecosystem, their services. On PC I can at least play the games I bought 20 years ago on Steam. I can emulate tens of thousands of retro games. And I can use the controller or peripherals I want to use. I prefer the Xbox controller(well Steam soon enough), and if I went PlayStation then I'd be playing with a controller I simply don't like. On PC I can choose whichever one I want.
Hopefully Valve gives them a home with the Steam Machine. We're still waiting to hear the price for that though...
(It is just a computer running Linux, but it's sold as a console.)
Console chips are high volume, single SoC, ordered by one reliable customer (Sony), and can make the transition to cloud gaming if they have to. Sony's already experimented with this, actually.
Discrete PCIe GPUs and "desktop" CPUs, on the other hand, are:
Mostly consumed by gaming laptops, which OEMs could very well abandon.
And partially go to workstations/gaming desktops.
But repurposed server chips can serve workstations, while tablets and thin clients can eat the desktop/gaming laptop market from the bottom up, too. The niche that assembles higher end gaming PCs isn't enough to amortize the massive cost of such gaming GPUs by themself (hence AMD and Intel already abanonded their highest end GPU variants).
I just don't see how consoles can be "shielded" from the AI onslaught.
If Nvidia/AMD/Intel are going to abandon certain sectors and product types(discrete GPUs, desktop parts), I don't see how they will be fine with custom SOCs. I don't like "all or nothing" scenarios, but if these higher end chips are going away for desktop, I am assuming it will happen to all consumer sectors as well. So the next consoles would be cloud/streaming consoles only.
But, I don't believe discrete GPUs and desktop parts are going away.
I think you're being quite a bit disingenuous here. AMD hasn't made a "highest end GPU variant" in a literal decade. They've never had a competitor to the Titan cards nor the *90 variants, and with the *80 variant slowly taking over the top-end consumer spec(because the *90 took over the TItan classification), all of this isn't because of AI. It's just AMD lagging behind the entire time. And I love AMD, but they've never been known for highest end.
And Intel has NEVER made a highest end GPU variant. So not sure where that claim is coming from.
Also, I genuinely believe a lot of people's perspectives are skewed on all of these aspects. Hardware has gotten more powerful and more efficient, we've gone through a hyper-inflation period, and AI is gobbling everything up, so yeah prices and hardware availability sucks. But a great mid-range build I just spec'd out(9600X, 9060 XT, 1TB nvme, 32GB of DDR5) is around $1400 USD. Just adjusting for inflation, in January 2016 that'd be a little over $1000 USD. Austin Evans has a video(i5-6500, R9 390, 250GB SSD/1TB spinner, 8GB DDR4) from Jan 2016 with a $1000 USD PC build.
Obviously, and hopefully, a build from 2026 beats a build from 2016. But looking at the pricing and adjusting for inflation and current market conditions, I'd say we aren't doing bad at all in 2026. Yeah, shit's expensive, but I don't think we're at a "doomsday level of high end desktop parts going extinct" situation.
They very well could be.
The hardware is near-identical though, or at least it was for PS Now. So the barrier to re-use game streaming hardware for a physical console is fairly low.
It's about silicon size to me. Even if a bit behind Nvidia's mega dies, AMD made "big die" cards consistently, like the 6970, 7970, 290, Fiji, Vega 64, the 6900, 7900 XTX. But the 9000 series is different. The top-end 9070 XT is "only" 356.5 mm2 and 256-bit; a mid-range size. The only recent precedent for that is the RX 480, but those were cheaper and sold alongside higher end GPUs.
And with Arc Battlemage, Intel allegedly had a bigger die in the works, but canceled it. Presumably because they didn't think it was financially viable.
You make fair points. I'm probably panicking and being a little dramatic here... Custom SoCs would probably be questionable if regular graphics are.
But I still don't like the trajectory. It feels like AMD/Intel are struggling to even stay alive in the space, while Nvidia seems to think it's not so important, and I don't like where that goes.
too many similar games and knockoffs of each other.
I still haven't gotten around to playing GTA5 or RDR2, and I own them on PC.
We are the minority, most kids and ppl are still buying consoles, my friends that can afford pcs now, have good jobs, free time, like gaming, show an interest still are turned off by pcs and prefer their ps5s. Ppp that like controllers prefer not playing against mouse and keyboard players. They like all games available to be made for controllers. Steam deck has pushed steam in a better direction for that, but it really depends on how the steam console is priced if ppl swap over to pc or just stick with consoles and their exisitng digital libraries they've built over the years with backwards compatibility.
Too many companies try to make it feel like you should be beholden to them because they made one game you like. Nope, it’s the platform (PC) for me. If you’re not making games for it anymore, your loss. I’m gonna find something else to play, not follow you around where you want.
Okay, they will sell less games.
Guess I’ll have to find some indie devs to give my money too.
Honestly with the number of old games I have and the number of new awesome games on Steam, I am set for life. Sony, i need you not
I have been throwing money at them non stop, keep it up indie devs!
Disappointing, though ultimately a small part of my PC library in the end. Enjoyed Horizon Zero Dawn and loved both parts of The Last of Us. Yet they never did bring over The Last Guardian, Bloodborne, or Bluepoint's remakes (I played the original Shadow of the Colossus and Demon's Souls).
Intergalactic is the only upcoming title I'm interested in, and that's nowhere enough for me to spend on a PS5.
Sony saw Xbox effectively exiting the console industry and said "excellent, now we have a monopoly on the space, we can make all our games console-exclusive." This is why, loathe as I am to admit it, it was a good thing for a competitive ecosystem for Microsoft to still be in the race. But since they decided to cap themselves...
Guess I'll have to buy a Steam Machine in a few years when RAM is available again.
Oh no, but the PC has no games
My read on this is that they don’t think the price of consumer components is ever going to come down, and that they’re not going to waste resources on something they think is going to become a marginalized platform.
Side note: the AI bubble cannot pop soon enough. Fuck Ai.
Yeah.
That’s my sad read. They think gaming PCs are going to die as a market; mind as well get out now and push PlayStation instead.
In this AI bubble Playstation is also a marginalized platform. Sony is also struggling under the memory shortage and rumors are the PS6 has been pushed forward another year because you can't launch a new platform in this economy. They will fare better because they can make special deals to get the hardware they want, but at what price? If PS6 starts costing something like $700 they're not going to be all that successful.
Eh, even if PC/component sales drop to zero, PC will still be the biggest platform with hundreds of millions of active users.
I have not bought a Sony console since the PlayStation 2. I've "missed" a fair few games already. The ones that end up worth playing always seem to make their way to PC eventually.
As much as I have enjoyed all the spider-man titles and Horizon, if I have to buy a ps to play future installments, that's going to be a no from me
Seems like a bold move with the rising cost of components.
I read somewhere else that one of the suspected reasons for it was actually the rising cost of components. Microsoft and Sony are big companies, and have the swing to be able to acquire hardware way easier than the everyday consumer, so in a case of limited supply causing hardware prices to soar, they will get the parts first.
They don't need to worry about prioritizing the PC market if the only new gamers around are going console due to affordability or availability.
Being said, I already have a 5, I got it a few years back and I lowkey regret it because as a sony fan all my life... it just had nothing for it. Everything I did on the 5 could have been done on the 4 and I don't feel like the current releases are (or at this point are ever going to be) worth getting, which was likely a big reason for their push into the PC market in the first place.
With the supply and cost issues, that reason isn't present anymore.
I also got a PS5 and only played my PS4 games on it. I ended up selling it a month ago because it had been gathering dust for 2 years compared to my PC. Not a very high powered PC either. Playstation just can't compete with Steam and emulation for me
I was really sad when CTR and Ratchet & Clank stayed on PlayStation. Those were some of the best reboots in ages and I don’t really want to have to keep my PS4 setup just to play those.
In no world am I buying a PS5 so I guess FAFO
So just their exclusives which they barely make anymore. I can buy used for the 2.5 games Sony themselves makes per generation now when they aren't failing to trend chase a whaling game genre.
Of course they leak that sort of information. They want people to buy PlayStation consoles which is a hard proposition, given the fact that after years on the market these consoles get more expensive instead of receiving price cuts (an outright ridiculous situation). Even more so with PS6 facing delays.
The benefit of controlled leaks is that Sony never made an official announcement. And when two years after a release on PlayStation they make a PC port, they never formally lied.
With as many as they release, that's what like, one every three years or so? I'll live.
They'll be seeing none of my money then. Maybe if I ever bother to play them it'll be for free on an emulator years from now, but honestly, I have a massive backlog of amazing games to play so it might not even be worth the effort. I bought most of their PC releases too. Oh well.
It won't last.
Then I won't buy them I guess. I don't care enough about Sony's games to buy a PS5 just to play them.
Welp. I guess they don't want my money.
Sony hasn't developed a good game since Gravity Rush 2 so I don't care.
That name brings back so many fond memories
I mean are we going to just pretend that God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, and The Last of Us weren’t enormous successes?
Enormous success=/=good game
I didn’t say commercial success. They are critically acclaimed, nearly universally beloved game series lol. They are successes by pretty much every metric.
Yeah, no shit. And it's really not even worth it since most aren't going to buy a console because of this. It's just bad business.
Hype is fundamental in their marketing strategy. When they release a game port on PC after 1.5 years, all the hype has already died out.
Shame to know I won't be playing any more Sony games.
How hard are ports?
These days, it's practically just a toggle switch.
Depends on console architecture, these days they are all x86 I believe, so very easy. In the past for example the PS3, it was basically hard because it is a different architecture this is why even emulator for PS3 are still not perfect.
I expect we'll probably see emulation instead.
That's difficult to quantify, but not that hard.
Modern consoles are just like modern computers.
Lots of complicated things are abstracted away or covered by something else. For example if you developed a game using an existing engine you probably can just check a box and like magic it just works.
If you built your own engine, you probably only tested it against dev kits and real console hardware. It'll probably mostly just work but might have some unexpected bugs. These too are probably also abstracted away in a lot of cases, which means it either just works or doesn't take a lot of work to make work.
I imagine Sony's logic is that it isn't worth the effort. They probably don't see the return on investment they want.
They probably look at someone like Nintendo who never port their games and often sell them for full price, it's kinda shitty for consumers but Nintendo makes bank (and to be fair they usually do make great games). Plus it looks like Microsoft is walking away from consoles so Sony has less to compete with.
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ok
Oh well, im still moving to PC. Im sick of missing out on mods.
I've had both for a while, the console is for my tv the pc is for my desk, I never want to use my pc with my tv even tho its easy enough to use steam with a controller like a console, prefer console matchmaking, if input based becomes more of a thing id maybe drop playstation, just have a fat library and 500$ every 6-8 years or whatever isnt a big deal to have a living room console
Fuck you make good point, i also have amassive library that i probs wont wanna give up just to go for PC. lol looks like ill have to think of a set up for my living room too
They'll be seeing fewer sales from PC players.
console wars are on again, but Valve will crush Sony.
They don't stand a chance. (*)
(*) Sorry Valve i just doomed you, my predictions are always wrong,.
LOL, I haven't bought a Sony product since the PSP. Don't threaten me with a good time, jackass.
I hope I can get ghost of yotei.
I get why console companies want to keep exclusives but I hate it. It is only making me not engage at all.
Wait, is Sucker Punch owned by Sony?!?!
Wikipedia: "The studio has been a part of PlayStation Studios since 2011."
I think so. Also, they just confirmed that they’re scrapping the plan to put yotei on pc 😥
That sucks. I have a PS5 and it is a great story.
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Ohh noooo!
Now my backlog of games that should be shrinking is only going to grow by 10% next year instead of 12% like it could have!
The tech companies haven't driven me to the point of utter contempt for consoles like they have for phones, but at the same time I have multiple PCs and more games than I will ever play.
They were making money and that's clearly not the goal. As seen by Sony renting out systems and getting rid of disk drives.
Thank you so much! Less games to add to my pile of shame.
Future headline - "K shaped economy for gaming industry. How indie gaming won the market and AAA bites the dust."
Thanks for sharing the latest news with us :>
Epic exclusives says what?
Please FromSoftware goes to PC primarily!
Guess I'll be buying fewer single player games
Meh, I have a ps5 already anyways and prefer to play on my couch, so no loss for me.
To me, consoles are a giant waste. Like, you got another fully capable computer that is artificially limited to gaming. This is an e-waste nightmare, all paid from our wallets.
Could be lovely to have a sort of thin client for couch gaming.
But to me, a gaming pc is a giant waste, because you spend $2-3000 to play games at a higher res or with extra rtx features, but the actual quality of the game hardly changes from the console version. A simple cheap pc could do most of your pc needs without the gaming function and be significantly cheaper.
In fact a cheap pc and a console net the same results as a high end gaming pc, but at a cheaper price, imo. So to each his own I guess.
You don't need a high-end PC to get the console experience. Something in the range of $700-800 will run your games no worse than a console, except you'll also get a fully functional computer that can use its full power for any other tasks.
Also, you won't be limited to a certain game library, store, or even the OS. You'll also be able to run any newer games indefinitely as long as your hardware can handle them. And if it can't, you can upgrade the GPU/CPU/RAM specifically instead of replacing the whole unit, saving money, granting customization features, and helping the environment.
So, to each...their own...I guess?
It'll definitely be more expensive than a console, since they sell the consoles at a loss expecting to make it back on the games. (But not that much more.)
... Especially in this fucking economy when it seems they're deliberately trying to destroy the concept of having a functional computer that you own and can run arbitrary stuff on.
Which, is why it's more important than ever to have a PC.
It, uh, was at least definitely possible to do a <$1000 computer back in 2020-25. Ours is under $1000 (I think we started at $400 for a no-GPU build in 2020ish, then got a used RX 580 ($150) once the GPU craze died down and a slightly better CPU ($100), and have an RX 6600 now). Though now with the exploding RAM prices...
-- Frost
Man PC gaming just keeps getting whacked in the teeth, doesn't it?
If so, I'm buying ps5 to play ffvii rebase
That's squenix though, and they've stated FF will start prioritizing PC over console.
Then I'm not buying ps5