‘I Genuinely Am Upset That Your Kids Are Vaccinated’
Del Bigtree, a longtime ally of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., isn’t just anti-vaccine. He’s pro-infection.
Over coffee at a Starbucks just outside Austin, Texas, Del Bigtree told me he wants his teenage son to catch polio. Measles, too. He’s considered driving his unvaccinated family to South Carolina, which is in the midst of a historic outbreak, so that they can all be exposed. He prefers pertussis—whooping cough—to the pertussis vaccine, which he later described to me as a “crime against children.” It’s not the diseases that Americans should be afraid of, Bigtree insists: It’s the shots that stop them.
Spreading that message is Bigtree’s lifework. He produced Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe, a 2016 documentary that helped mainstream the modern anti-vaccine movement by alleging—spuriously—that the CDC suppressed evidence of vaccine harms. His weekly internet show, The HighWire With Del Bigtree, mostly targets the pharmaceutical industry and has helped raise millions for his nonprofit, the Informed Consent Action Network, which files lawsuits to overturn school vaccine mandates around the country. He’s been a close adviser to Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and served as communications director for Kennedy’s 2024 presidential campaign.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/2026/02/del-bigtree-pro-infection-polio-measles/686092/Open linkView original on piefed.ca
This man is out there trying to murder his living family.
It'll be manslaughter, unless they find evidence that he knew he was a shill.
Though, I wonder if this sort of admission is anything welfare services can work with.
At what point does negligence/stupidity outweigh intent. If you go on YouTube and say you don't believe bullets kill people, and that's all a sham brought about by gun companies, "it's very clear people like 50 cent have been shot numerous times and it hardly effected him.". Then go and push someone in front of a shooter at a gun range, I can't imagine any judge would side with, well fuck he's just stupid enough to believe bullets don't kill people and call it manslaughter. Seems like premeditated murder attempts to me.
Never. That's the difference between murder and manslaughter, it's literally the definition.
In your example you'd just have a very hard time convincing a jury that anyone is really stupid enough to believe bullets aren't deadly, whereas I already believe that people are serious about measles and whooping cough being fine. Diseases like measles, while dealt, generally are not as deadly as bullets - risk of death is about 0.3% Vs about 20% from what I found. That makes it much easier to believe that someone has got it wrong.
So if he gave his family polio it would be equivalent to shooting himself and wife, and hitting his kids in the face with a shovel. Manslaughter you say
Given polio's deadliness it would be much easier to get a murder conviction in that situation, sure. You'd still have to prove it was intentional though, because that is still the definition of murder. If a defence case is that the accused is not guilty of murder because they didn't intend to kill the victim, and the jury isn't sure that's not true, they mustn't convict.
You mentioned "negligence" in your comment above. If you're claiming negligence, that is going to, by definition, fall under manslaughter laws. In some jurisdictions there is even the charge of "gross negligence manslaughter" which this would probably fall under.
Even the treatments in the past are surreal if you haven't seen them. The "Iron Lung"
I saw people older than me in the 70s with limps, dead arms, braces and the reason was always polio.
But then God intervened and stopped it that same summer as the Salk vaccine was used.
It’s illegal to intentionally infect another person with a disease, no matter what your beliefs are
Well, there used to be a thing where you would put your child in the way of mumps because a child getting mumps is much less severe than an adult. There may have been other such diseases that it was better to have as a child than as an adult.
This was before vaccines which basically does the same thing.
Manslaughter is illegal ya silly
In the current environment, I'm not sure any agency can work with it, unless it's advancing some hidden corrupt agenda.
and if they do find evidence he was a shill, it's 1st degree murder.
I think using ignorance as a defense is beyond time to end. It's so easy in this day to look things up. The American education system has intentionally made people less clever, but at some point it's your fault for never looking into anything. This guy needs to be arrested for threatening violence on his children. It's no different than if a parent said they wanted to put their child in a fight with a dog with the excuse of toughening them up.
he wants to bring back the hermain cain awards.
his children.
The amount of absolute stupidity these days is shocking.
It was always there, the internet just gave them leverage to find each other and make professional sounding networks of absolutely rock stupid fucking people.
It's honestly the biggest downside of the internet.
Because pro-asbestos and anti-seatbelt people existed, but they didn't have megaphones to reach the whole world.
Yeah you start to see this stupidity increase in size with every major information transmission breakthrough. A lot of these people would probably be hit with a big stick for being stupid and causing problems historically.
Here's the question: Idiots and wise people both have this megaphone to reach the world. Why do the idiots seem to succeed much more often?
For the same reason people think Kent Hovind and Ben Shapiro are smart, it takes time and energy to explain why someone is wrong whereas the claim that oneself is right takes less energy. Compare say a Miniminuteman or Stefan Milo to the average pseudoscience video, the pseudoscience video can throw out 20 claims in the time it takes for someone to explain something that is actually correct.
Also the natural social defenses against this type of shit are effectively bypassed by the ability for idiots to communicate and propagate their ideas. Historically communities had the learned, the experienced, and the wise who could generally call bullshit or otherwise deal with the problem directly, nowadays shaming, beating, and killing are notable less effective.
Because most people, even including people who aren't complete idiots, want to be told what they want to hear more than they want to be faced with hard truths. Simple as.
they have done studies.
truth is more cognitively difficult to obtain and it is not emotionally rewarding.
fiction and fantasy is easy to process, and it's much more emotionally rewarding.
Just like our bodies want to get fat and lazy unless we otherwise force them not to, our brains are the same way.
People can become smarter and value good mental work, just like they can get fitter and start feeling the rewards of fitness. But there is a massive gulf you have to overcome to get there where it is incredibly painful and difficult and most people give up rather than push through the pain and difficulty.
because people find confidence attractive and appealing. for most people, blind faith and never admitting you are wrong is seen as confident.
and wise people don't seem confident because they acknowledge their limits and that they might be wrong.
human psychology is full of this stuff. it is not optimized to be truth seeking, it's optimized to look for the easiest explanation and the one that unifies the tribe.
That’s insulting to rocks.
I swear that America - well the world at large, but especially America - has a reality problem.
I see the swell of anti-science anti-intellectual 'experts', the aggressive evangelicals beating queerfolk with holy books they haven't read, the facebook addicts praising pyramid oils and herbs and crystals instead of medicine, the pearl-clutching racists shouting off statistics as justification to expel the 'others' ... and I just wonder if we've collectively lost the ability to think.
Leaded gasoline really did a number on us not gonna lie.
COVID-MANIA did a number on these people.
because reality is boring and hard.
fantasy is very appealing and fun.
A reminder that the human brain has not changed since modern humans emerged about 300,000 years ago.
Think about what that means.
The people who spent millennia throwing rocks at the moon, drawing stick figures on walls and hunting mammoths with pointy sticks? That's just us. That is exactly what we would be doing in that time and place. The people that burned witches? That is us too. Those people had the exact same capacity for intelligence, compassion, and reason as we do.
What I am saying is that the capacity for human stupidity is boundless. It is our intelligence and civilization that defies our nature. We can always be dumber. We might not be able to get any smarter.
There's this weird phenomenon that people tend to think those in the past were less intelligent than now, when really it was history being spun a certain way. For example: the witch burning thing, most people accusing witches, etc didn't actually believe that shit. Its coming to light in modern times, that they realized they could grab land and money by accusing vulnerable people, and then just taking their land when they couldn't defend themselves against a confession under torture.
Keep in mind all the advancements and progress humans have made in mathemathics and sciences over the last few thousand years. Those people weren't stupid, if they were doing stupid things, its probably because they were evil (like burning witches for their own financial gain)
Sounds like the people running today's megachurches. They might not actually believe any of what they are spinning, as long as the rubes are giving them enough money to keep them farting through silk and flying around in private jets (and probably some hookers and blow on the DL, I bet, too).
The Salem witch trials were just land thefts
Yup.
It has changed in shape but not in size. Source
Always a good thing to check the data before posting.
Recent studies suggrst our brains have shrunk: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/ecology-and-evolution/articles/10.3389/fevo.2023.1191274/full
That theory has been challenged.
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/ecology-and-evolution/articles/10.3389/fevo.2022.963568/full
In a sane world his children would be taken from him and he would be jailed for reckless child endangerment.
Can't let your kid walk to school but can do this ? Fuck that
You actually have a point, the guy is openly discussing ways to harm his kids and is in all evidence not a safe person for them to be with.
Normal people: I need to have a medical procedure.
Republicants: I need for you to not have a medical procedure.
You misspelled 'republicunts'
That’s a you problem.
Did you know that Gandhi was an anti-vaxxer?
And
Until he wasn't.
It turns out that if you expose children, unprotected, to deadly diseases, they die.
I wonder who this fucknut is gonna blame when his kids take an "unexpected" turn for the worse?
Well, seems like he learned his lesson. Would have been better if he had learned it before his bad advice got children killed, but at least he learned instead of doubling down.
Right??? And the thing that stands out to me as full-on banana-pants crazy is how he famously learned his lesson, was humbled by his own platform, and turned it all around; yet, these fuckface anti-vaxxers insist on only publishing what he would have argued to have been the greatest mistake of his life, and use an appeal to celebrity and misinformation by omission to support their repeatedly proven-wrong fetishes. It's like calling Neil Armstrong a champion for incontinence because he repeatedly peed his pants in space.
To be totally fair to the guy. It looks like he said the first quote around 1906. Peoplr were taking lymph or pus material from diseased individuals and then directly applying them to open scratches/wounds as a form of vaccine.
They were nowhere near the quality of vaccines we have today, and the first deactivated viral vaccine wasn't created until much later.
this guy belongs in some sort of highly controlled environment. Either prison or a secure psychiatric facility. I'm not sure which.
School. They belong in school.
The guy saying he wants to get his children sick with multiple horrific diseases does not belong in school.
He is contemplating child abuse. Good public schools might have prevented all this, but he’s a grown ass man and at a certain point, it’s no longer his shitty education’s fault.
Is a re-education camp a bad idea?
Might want to google that term.
As used by most regimes that use the term… yes. Yes it is.
Vietnam after the war “reeducating” south vietnamese leaders, for example.
Or china “reeducating” Uhgyurs “through labor”
Plenty of other instances of genocide that fell under the same idea- Canada’s residential school system comes to mind.
I'm aware of what it means and has been used for, that's why it was in the form of a question. It was a rhetoric question with a nod to how a fascist states would handle this kind of people who are of an opposing opinion to the state, except this time the state (nearly) agrees with them.
The main reason lifespans were so short in the past was because so many kids died of disease that it pushed the avg lifespan down with it. I used to work to restore old cemeteries with my local historical society. I'd find family plots that would have 3-4 kids all dying within a few months of each other.
Im starting to feel these fools think they have the good genes that will throw off the disease and its those other undesirables that will die.
More like God's Plan, these fools don't understand genes, but yeah same outcome.
Everyone thinks they have strong immunity and good genes until it hits them in the face.
Worse still, in places like New England, when one family member would die right after another -- after another -- after another -- they'd attribute this to vampires, burning the bodies of the recently deceased to ensure they could not come back, and on occasion using some of the burnt bits as a "preventative" for the living to consume so as to not be taken themselves. It didn't work.
It wasn't until the late 19th century they finally figured out that tuberculosis (aka "consumption") is a bacterial disease that is extremely communicable in tight quarters, and that the living who nursed the recently dead would naturally be next because it's a disease they caught from nursing their own sick.
And even then a number of them held on to old beliefs, long after others had figured it out:
The only reason we are not now dealing with tuberculosis on a wide scale is because of -- anti-vaxxers cover your eyes -- vaccines, though it too is now coming back, and in drug-resistant forms.
I'm sure you already know all this working in old cemeteries, but I thought I'd mention it: superstition to fill in the blanks and address fear goes back as far as time immemorial.
while i'm sure it contributed, I was under the impression that it was largely the transition to hospital births that increased life expectancy.
I hope he dies of a horrible and preventable disease then
AFTER his family dies one by one.
No? Don’t punish the children for their fathers idiocy.
I'm for letting them feel the full effect of their beliefs.
Are you also for punishing children for the crimes of their parents? What about making a child pay for their parents debts?
I'm for making psychopathic MAGAs feel the full weight of their Evil upon themselves. They don't mind killing YOUR children, why are you worried about theirs? They don't even care about them, or they'd get them vaxxed.
Hey man, if you don’t mind killing children I’d say that makes you just as bad as them, but you do you I suppose.
I'm not killing anyone. THEY are the ones that aren't vaxxing their kids, and putting them, and MY CHILDREN, in danger. I don't see a reason to be polite to people who are voluntarily signing up to be filthy, disgusting disease vectors. If they want to kill their kids, I hope it happens quickly before they spread to the rest of us.
What an insane take.
Of the 4 Chaos gods of Warhammer, I could understand people being tempted by power, sex or violence, but disease never made sense to me. Who would want to be a Nurgle cultist? Now we know.
Nurgle grants eternal life, after a fashion. Easier for me to understand than these IRL death cultists…
Because Papa Nurgle loves you!
Worshipping Anthraxus
Its completely insane this isnt legally child abuse. These people are allowed to try and kill their children for a cult.
Except the supreme court has said there needs to be a religious exemption to these things. So then it becomes voluntary. Then there's some kind of cultural association attached to it (MAGA, for instance.)
Imo, other parents should be able to sue you/fine you if your kid gets the disease and your kid wasn't vaccinated. Its a type of reckless behavior like speeding in a school zone or shitting on a sidewalk in front of a public toilet.
It would be different if he was just against vaccination. He wants to infect his children with polio. This is cruel and unusual punishment and mistreatment of children. Minimum he should be limiting exposure, this is an intentionally harmful parent.
No: this is actually an opportunity to gamble with his life:
infect him, 1st.
IF it causes significant harm, AND he still wants to do that to his children, THEN CPS takes his children from him.
IF it doesn't cause harm, THEN keep getting him with other things that people vaccinate against, until finally he experiences WHY vaccinations are used.
THEN if he still wants that harm on his own children, take them away from him.
corner them between correct-logic, actual-evidence, & their-own-ideology, & use the resultant-leverage against their ideological machiavellianisms.
( this would be better than the appeasement that is normal, nowadays, anyways, for our world's viability )
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I think the fact that we pretty much crushed so many diseases via vaccines and other care in the 20th century that many forgot what it was like to live in the shadow of those diseases all the time. That lack of familiarity (the one thay spurred the acceptance of vaccines and treatment) is what is fueling this shit today.
This is my conclusion too. It takes roughly 2 generations for all lessons to be forgotten. Add in a lack of empathy or critical thinking and here we are.
I think you only hit the point on the 2nd-part:
some people are incapable of empathy OR/AND correct-reasoning, & that supplants ALL arguments.
Don't need to have the population forget what it really means: the "Israelis" who push evil in Palestine, blatently, are what they are, in spite of their-ancestors claiming Jeremiah & Isaiah as their justifications..
& remap that into Russia/Ukraina, & you get the same thing.
& remap that into what Canada did to the Indigenous people, & you still get the same thing.
I think that sociopathy ( induced ) & psychopathy ( intrinsic ) is, when selected-for, MUCH more significant than people are assuming, in controlling Earth's history.
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You're not wrong, but it's not as long ago as you might have been led to believe.
Boomers and older GenXers are very familiar with polio, for example, because the Salk and Sabin vaccines did not come out until right around 1960. We all knew someone who'd had it, maybe even still had the evidence of it in a limp or a cane, or had died of it. Polio wasn't the only disease, either: the 1968 influenza carried off a father of one of my friends, and he was only in his thirties. As a child I personally almost died from a reaction to the smallpox vaccine, and I still have a huge scar from it (way better than getting smallpox, though).
The Silent Generation had far worse than we did, and they're not all dead yet.
So from where I'm sitting it's not so much lack of personal familiarity as a willful forgetting aided by the skillful use of propaganda.
Please be The Onion. Please be The Onion.
Fucking damnit
If watching his son either die or become crippled is what he wants, then no, he should not have that. That is completely unfair to his son, and his children should be taken away from him. He’s a menace to both his family and society.
So unbelievably stupid.
No bro, it's everyone else who is stupid. Bigtree is the true genius who is fighting back against the conspiracy of vaccines that have been perpetuated by evil powerful people for over a century.
Stop pushing the Qtip when you feel resistance.
Oh okay...
RFK jr isn't powerful or evil at all...
Did you also think the New York real-estate monster was going to drain the swamp?
So stupid.
Yuck Fou
Sounds like a job for child protective services. A father wants to intentionally infect his children with known fatal diseases, call CPS today!
It's been child abuse.
The very minute they choose not to vax - that's child abuse.
I prefer letting my kids get hit by cars traveling at 100mph instead of having cars with brakes and speed limits.
Platform the anti-vaxxers more, that'll get rid of them!
I'm genuinely upset that you are a dangerous moron.
To me that really sounds a whole heck of a lot like an open admittance that he'd like his children to die painfully.
remember the MAGATS that were posting "plague spreading memes" on thier social media. Its on anti-vaxxers who take advice from a heroin, cocaine, steroid addict.
pertussis , rsv is one of those disease that is the reverse for adults, more severe in children than adults.
He hit all the stupid branches on the way down that Bigtree.
What an idiot.
This is the problem with vaccines, they've been so successful that demagogues and morons exploit the fading memory of diseases to play on people's ignorance and our fears from not understanding medicine and biology.
True, but as an older person who was growing up in the March of Dimes era (60s and 70s) when vaccines were considered a miracle of modern science and people were stopping Salk and Sabin in the streets, literally dropping to their knees on the sidewalk to thank them for their work on the polio vaccines (I'm not exaggerating), and we ALL personally knew either directly or indirectly someone with a cane or a limp or someone who had died of it, and were not at all distant from the recent springs and summers where one young person and then a couple others and then a few more would suddenly be sick before nightfall out of nowhere, and the still common long recoveries and iron lungs and the overwhelming dread of it all, where the fuck is my generation's collective memory?
Hell, even Chuck McConnell is a walking polio survivor (as much as I hate to even think his name) and his own generation is not all dead yet. Where the fuck is their collective memory?
What you say is quite true, and I can even understand the ignorance of fascism to a degree from people far too young to remember or understand WWII, but not vaccines, not from my own generation and older.
sadly, most human beings trust their own 'judgement' of direct and anecdotal experiences far more than they will ever trust the abstractions of science and mathematics that prove them wrong
So ... he wants his family to get all those diseases because he thinks they don't exist, or because he agrees that a sufficient prompt to the immune system will prevent future infection?
If only there was a way to exercise the immune system in a safe, controlled manner. It would be truly groundbreaking and save untold numbers of lives.
I mean, nothing is completely safe, but I bet something like that would be safer than, say, getting polio.
1% chance of getting poliomyelitis, im guessing he wants that 1% chance. also Measles is iffy for children, in a small percentage it causes panechephalitis.
He’s so close…
Merely to show them "who's boss"
We can just call this guy a "virus advocate".
Finally, someone is speaking up for dna/rna bundles.
This guy was less evil.
Sorry. I prefer my children alive.
Del Bigtree does not. He is a danger to children and should have his taken from him. Worthless fathers are much better than he, they don't intentionally harm children.
I'm genuinely upset that media wastes attention on such idiots.
JFC, people like this are absolutely infuriating.
Well how about you die mad you abusive piece of shit?
He is upset that people don't give a shit what he thinks. If his fantasies were of any interest to the majority of us they wouldn't be fantasies.
People need to start murdering these people. We are out of peaceful options.
H5N1 is going to be a worldwide pandemic. The only postindustrial nation that won't have the vaccine, is the United States. Millions will die.
After the removal of USAID, you can put money on ebola going global, sooner-or-later.
The Canadians had a vaccine for it, developed at a university ?in BC?, but they sold that to big-pharma, so it wouldn't be used the way our world needed it to be used, for a little money.
Humankind isn't viable, with that kind of "managing" being normal.
The Great Filter will extinguish or nearly-extinguish our intentionally-ignorant kind, late this century.
"you can bring a horse to water, but you can't make them drink",
"you can bring a world-species to uprightness/accountable-responsibility, but you can't make them embody it".
Ebola'll happen.
Don't know when, but it'll happen.
Marburg nearly happened, last-year, iirc.. ( 50% lethality, normally? 80%? it was caught in the EU, in people who had traveled. )
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Fingers crossed for his genetic line to end right here.
I wonder if a big part of his psychology here is that by being the contrarian and going against X you create the illusion that you are wiser that others. The hipster effect.
On the plus side people like this weed themselves out of the gene pool. Too bad he is taking his kids down with him.
hipster effect, that's a good one. every hipster i know is a raging insufferable hypocrite who rallies against 'the man'. meanwhile endlessly chasing after 'alt' versions of the same shit everyone else is chasing after to prove how successful and superior they are. they will hate on Brooks Brothers wearing people, but they are willing to spend $100 for one ironic T shirt...
all image, no substance.
Taking his kids down with him is kinda necessary to be removed from the gene pool.
Every time I hear about Robert F Kennedy all I can think is fancy being a disappointment to the Kennedy name.
Here's a ruthless, objectively-convincing, cure, that in saner times would be outright-immoral, but when millions-of-lives-are-on-the-line, then morality becomes greyed ( same as intentionally assassinating Hitler before he highjacked Germany becomes morally-greyed, once one knows what he was doing later )..
Infect this guy with rabies, & then refuse to let him use vaccines to survive it.
WHEN humankind begins fighting-for-its-survival-itself, THEN this kind of ruthless-pragmatism will become actual, exactly as killing White-Blue-Red Russians is now a national-survival-requirement for Ukrainians.
So long as humankind continues holding its head "in the sand" ( as ostrichs do not do: they aren't intentionally-stupid the way we are ), then protecting pathogen-incarnate human action will continue, & the consequences will continue wiping-out entire-populations' viability.
( I'm only pointing this perspective/point out: MY plan is to remove ME from this world, not to fight-for your-race's survival: your-race won't, so be silenced from universe, then. That is "valid", obviously. )
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rabies kill too fast, give him HIV, he is not allowed to anti-retroviral meds. so he can have immunocompromised related diseases and infections.
Good. I hope he gets so mad from people getting vaccinated that he just explodes.
Meanwhile I dream of releasing GMO mosquitoes that detect disease and produce vaccines whether anyone likes it or not.
I say, let him infect his whole family if he wants to. Go ahead...show us all the benefits of being infected with easily preventable diseases. Put your money where your mouth is, otherwise we'll all know you're just a con artist making bank off gullible people.
I'm not sure I'd be too keen on letting a parent infect their (innocent) children. I recognize he's a stupid ass, but that doesn't mean he should maim or kill his children with his stupid ass
This idiot probably wouldn’t be above taking his infectious child out into public to deliberately spread disease, too.
Tough shit, snowflake. You got some growin' up to do still.
& Peter Thiel is pushing that the woke are the anti-christ.
Why be surprised by evil's reversal-of-frame-of-reference?
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
Simply scrolling down that page, reading the section-headlines, provides enough..
I think he's got a number of things wrong, like the mortal-head-wound NOT being the missed rifleshot, but instead being the stroke, MRI, & whatever else's involved in his current, temporary, dementia, & obviously I hold that the miracle-cure will happen, in our soon-future ( 2026-02-25 as I'm writing this ).
But overall that page is spot-on, at-least in identifying which of the Christian prophecies need be considered, for matches, in the present unfolding..
Pushing lies is their-religion: pushing that the woke are anti-christ contradicts their own bible, but it is their-religion, not their-bible, which they hold holy..
The anti-women's-validity/rights movement which gaslights about "protecting" women..
The fact that the one they claim as their LORD was an exorcist & healer, but they push evil & harm..
Welcome to humankind's setting-up of global tantrum/pogrom/deathmatch!
Humankind's unconscious ego-myth is MUCH more important than this-world's life, right?
What's really sad/comical about all this, is that it doesn't even matter which "religion" one is in, the unconscious-motivation to enforce ego-myth's apocalypse is unstoppable!
so ALL the Abrahamic religions are working on enforcing it, coherently.
& Modi's Hindutva India's working on enforcing it regionally in Asia, as China's Communist Party's doing, too.
etc.
All the appearances are mere "makeup": the REAL war is underlying that, our unconscious-mind's ego-"godhood" addiction, & if evil's the way to "make that real", then evil's what humankind's enforcing, until something ( consequences ) force-breaks humankind's collective ignorance-ego from this world ( 2080's, at the earliest, IF this world's Great Filter has ANY survivors, at all ).
See it for what it is: unconscious-ignorance "establishing" that its "power" is the ONLY LORD, & no matter what has to be broken to enforce/"prove" it, that'll happen.
All the details are mere "makeup".
This is what happens, at a whole-planet-scale, when an individual addict is fighting for their life against their-own unconscious-mind's addiction, & their unconscious-mind holds that addiction is "greater" than their life.
Same process, just "upscaled" to planet-size, from individual-size, is all.
The unconscious-ignorance-addiction being the true "driver" of the process is identical, in both cases.
Just that we've got entire-classes-of-people in planet-scale, whereas an individual would have only their SurfaceMind fighting against their unconscious-LifeMind, so it'd be more 1-on-1 mind-against-mind, in the individual-case.
Planetscale it's groups-against-groups, obviously.
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Run kids!
At this point if anyone says "genuinely" in a sentence in just gonna assume you're not really genuine.
Seems like felony child abuse to me.