Spyke
lemmy.ml

Kyle Rittenhouse took an assault rifle to a state he didn't live in and shot 3 people, killing 2. He was acquitted on all counts. The is no way to measure the hypocrisy. It's simply mind boggling.

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lemmy.world

He was charged with (effectively) taking a sawn-off shotgun across state lines, which he didn't do as it was a full-size rifle, and second degree murder, which requires homicide while committing another crime, but the other charge fell through, so there was no other crime. He probably would have been found guilty of something if he'd been charged with crimes he did rather than ones he didn't, but the prosecutor fucked up, whether by incompetence or because they wanted to ensure he got off after nominally going through a trial so justice could be claimed to have been done.

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Maybe but not really. It would be an easy 5th amendment challenge for Rittenhouse if the state wanted to try and bring charges against him.

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ryathalreply
sh.itjust.works

Kyle Rittenhouse is probably the most textbook definition of self defense there has been. There was some good lawyering to get around the age issue, but at the same time I'm not sure I want someone facing a felony because they aren't 21. That doesn't change anything on the ACAB front.

Both things can be true. Bring guns and posters of him to protests. Make it difficult for anyone supporting ICE.

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lemmy.world

It's not self-defence to shoot people if the only reason they're approaching you is that you pointed a gun at them or someone else and they're attempting to disarm you because it appears that you're about to shoot someone or just shot someone. Otherwise anyone with a firearm can just point it at whoever and if they react at all, have free reign to shoot them. In fact, it's illegal to point a gun at someone else in the first place unless they're already attacking you (or in some states have entered your property), and Rittenhouse pointing a gun at someone else was the trigger for the whole incident. If he'd been charged for pointing a gun at people, then the second-degree murder charge would have stuck, as self defence isn't a defence against second-degree murder (otherwise a home invader could claim self defence if they shot the homeowner when confronted).

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ryathalreply
sh.itjust.works

The only time he pointed his gun at them was after they pursued him. One of them also had a gun pointed at him. He attempted to retreat which means the attackers were in the wrong.

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lemmy.world

He had already shot someone before the other person with a gun drew it and pointed it at him. You have not seen the unedited video from the beginning, or have forgotten what it showed.

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startrek.website

Or more likely just arguing in bad faith and has no idea what they're talking about.

I've been encountering a LOT of people who "know" what the videos of Renee Good and Alex Pretti show, and while I'm arguing specific points they get frustrated and say they haven't watched any video and they know what they saw on the news.

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The Renee good video also shows that at most, her wreckless driving away was self defence. She did not deserve to be executed for that.

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TrickDacyreply
lemmy.world

I'm not even sure if this is true or not, I'm assuming it's not, but can you explain to the class how it is that you can be okay with the people who are dead being victim blamed, all the while everyone on planet earth knows the piece of shit traveled there precisely to stir up trouble, and it's not remotely far fetched to think he hoped for an excuse to kill? The result of him traveling there with the intent, to at-minimum agitate and intimidate, is dead people who would be alive today if he hadn't made that decision.

I think to make an argument that a dead person deserves to be dead, you either have to stifle any ounce of empathy a human being normally has, or consider the dead to be unredeemable evil monsters. But maybe you can explain it differently?

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Nah he took a semi automatic weapon across state lines for "self defense only". lmao

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sopuli.xyz

Why won't you consider that they pursued him in self-defense?

A dude enters a protest with the intent to agitate, points his rifle at people. Some people attempt to disarm him. He trips over his own feet while fleeing and decides his only option is to shoot some people.

You say he shot in self-defense, but you won't say the protestors pursuing him were acting in self-defense. Why?

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ryathalreply
sh.itjust.works

You can't pursue someone in self defense, at least normal people can't. Cops get away with that level of bullshit, but that's not relevant here.

Showing up to a protest with a gun is fine. According to the trial he didn't point at anyone until after he was chased.

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If someone has a rifle, they can shoot you from at least 100m. If you're worried about that happening your options are either to find cover, or close the distance to mitigate the advantage of the person carrying the rifle.

He can run away fifty paces, turn around and shoot you whether you pursue him or not. Your best chance is to disarm him, especially if there's a crowd of people he could potentially target and not just you.

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TrickDacyreply
lemmy.world

Goddammit I'm so sick of people defending that piece of fucking shit. He sought to murder and he did. Not even slightly self defense.

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sh.itjust.works

This. A plastic bag with a couple grocies being thrown was not met with equal response via bullets.

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People who defend rittenhouse always remind me of this woman I briefly dated in 2020. She is a lawyer and threw up a huge red flag by claiming that when Breonna Taylor was killed by police, they 100% followed all the policies perfectly. Fast forward a few months and courts decided precisely opposite of that conclusion, as I expected. Dodged a bullet breaking it off with that woman early on.

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T00l_shedreply
lemmy.world

How is it self defense when we chose to go to the protest to start shit?

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ryathalreply
sh.itjust.works

Being present there was legal. You can think the choice is stupid, but being stupid isn't a crime.

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Genius: intentions don't matter if the actions taken surrounding them are legal. I guess all the times that intent mattered in a legal context were completely in my imagination. Weird.

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Not from what I've been taught and learned. Lesson 1 is never put yourself in a situation you would need to use lethal force to survive. As well he wasn't hired by anyone to protect any property. The entire "self defense" argument falls apart at the start as he should have not been there at all.

Then comes the argument about "the protestors shouldn't have been there at all" and that's where I call them a CHUD, insult them further, then ignore them. Because they just showed expressing one's first amendment rights isn't a reason to be protesting.

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I think the best way of putting it was "what he did was stupid, but it's not illegal to be stupid" Like yeah, he shouldn't have been there, but hindsight doesn't matter when you're on the ground getting beaten with a skateboard and all you have to defend yourself is a rifle.

He still is a POS despite it being self defence

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ryathalreply
sh.itjust.works

You can absolutely not like him, and think he made stupid decisions. That doesn't change the legality though.

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Clentreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

It's not hypocrisy. The right killing the left is always justified in their mind, they have never claimed otherwise. It's quite consistent really.

The reality is they're too illiterate to properly explain themselves and their cult leaders aren't offering the words for it on this one.

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But "the left is so violent!" Is all I ever keep hearing from rightwingers I know. Meanwhile examples of political violence from the right is always "oh that's just an isolated incident."

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danc4498reply
lemmy.world

You can measure the hypocrisy in percentage. Usually they’re 100% hypocrites.

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It is measurable in the cowardice of everyone who let this happen, and let it keep happening.

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reddthat.com

Idk the authenticity of that but "he dressed up at a party once so the state should be able to murder him" is a pretty pathological take

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lemmy.world

I dressed up as Marilyn Monroe one Halloween as a teen. The costume had the most ridiculous padding on the butt and chest, it was clearly a silly costume and not any sort of statement. The amount of vitriol I faced was eye opening for me. I’m honestly glad I did it because it showed me how people treat those that make them feel uncomfortable. I thought, “if this is how they treat me on Halloween I can’t imagine what other people go through every day” and this was well before trans people were made the boogeyman of the week.

Guess I deserve to die now? Eat a fuckin dick, Bob.

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Jessicareply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Yeah, I avoided coming out for years because I didn’t think I could handle cishet people looking at me and laughing, or their insults. It’s still difficult.

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NOT_RICKreply
lemmy.world

I’m really sorry you have do deal with that simply to feel true to yourself.

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A kid wore a dress in high school for Halloween. The exact people you would expect it from, the ones with rapey vibes, couldn't keep their hands off him and end up ripping it off him.

Also, it was the dress of his mother who was in the process of dying of cancer and they all knew that.

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lemmy.world

Literally not even the same person. The guy on the right has neck tattoos, also he's got tattoos on his arms and pretti didn't.

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Their face is also completely different. They don't even look similar, like at all.

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Honestly, doesn't matter if it was him. It's more telling that the OP(on linkedin, not here) is basically saying "it's ok to kill someone if they look different". That's the message that should be gotten from this. It's the old "she was asking for it with the way she dressed" rape defense.

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Doesn't America not have a culture of carrying firearms with you, especially to protests? Also imagine the media using a picture of you at a drunken party or something if you tragically died.

Even X says it's a lie

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One of the straps on the leg looks like it just stops or goes into the skin, it seems like it’s an AI image

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nmhforlifereply
lemmy.world

Curiosity got the best of me and I scrolled for a few minutes. I’m always amazed at the cognitive dissonance. In one post claim to be a Christian and then the very next spew hatred and bigotry. Jesus would be proud if he existed.

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Jesus would be pissed actually as we know him. This man pretty much doesn't follow his teachings and thusly doesn't accept his death as an absolution of all sins man has made. The more I learn about Christian theology, actual theology and its application, the more it's obvious they're not even reading the book, just making shit up.

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like 4 new used-car dealerships just opened int he past year around where I live. Great! Exactly what our economy needs, people who make money exclusively by fucking over their customers. Wonderful!

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Depending on what they're selling, but mostly yes you have to be a certain kind of person to lie to people's faces all day long for a buck.

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sh.itjust.works

Real estate agents are largely an unproductive group of parasites. They are also professional shit take machines.

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lemmy.ca

Basically, the lowest rung on a career ladder if you fuck up everything.

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It's so far worse than just your typical parasites, they're largely attributed to the entire housing crisis in west. Even in my small country, I noticed many people no longer wanted to work, make businesses, etc., they went to some rich country to work for some time, came back to buy apartments and rent them out, but the problem is that they're all pushing for higher rent prices than what is acceptable, and since they all do it, then people are essentially left with no choice and you see your rent proces doubling, tripling in the span of a 10 years.

What's ironic is that these people commonly speak out against capitalism and favor socialism

It gets even worse when they put these apartments on temporary rentals (Airbnb), so most of them stay empty for majority of time

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I'm doomscrolling his linkedin page and it's non-stop idiotic garbage. I stopped at the GDP chart explaining why Alberta shouldn't be "trapped" in Canada.

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VitoRoblesreply
lemmy.today

I did the same. Everything about him screams "My ex and my shitty kid doesn't speak to me"

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I don't think he's a real person. Real estate agent? This person would be unemployable. I bet it's a lame propaganda bot.

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Wait this post didn't show enough that this person's speech should be heard as much as you want to hear any older generation farting?

Mean kudos to the journey but it's like looking up a lava path and thinking, maybe I'll try it, while never having done a physical activity regularly.

Ah he's from AB though (mean the only ones besides bots who probably have an option of a province in Canada)...used to live there....moved away, had to move back, made sure my only goal was not to live there. Plus I lived in the ass end of AB where it was -40 for a week (well think global warming killed that but my memory) so was my mission to get back to the coast. Made it halfway, could be worse.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

They just want to kill queer people. No words can describe the absolute and undying hatred I feel for these people

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lemmy.ca

Honestly, I don't think it's limited to queer people. It seems like they're just itching for whatever flimsy excuse to shoot someone. If it's someone they hate, that just makes it feel extra righteous.

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About the not bringing a gun to a protest, it reminds of the way they would say "did you see what she was wearing" about a rape victim.

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Did she bring a ...you know, a phone! It was a phone! Phones should be shiny and brightly colored.

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lemmy.world

"you don't bring a gun to a peaceful protest, just saying"

Is literally the line they're being fed to repeat. I keep seeing it everywhere.

Baa baa conservative sheep...

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Ah cool. Well, dont bring guns to public stores unless you plan to use them. In fact, you dont need guns outside your house unless you plan to use them. Actually, you know what, why do you even need guns? Pretty sure if you own a gun, youre planning on attacking our peaceful ICE agents, hence owning guns means you deserve government sanctuoned execution.

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slrpnk.net

Is the argument really "if he wanted to live he wouldn't have brought a firearm". Sounds like "if she didn't want to get raped she should dress properly"

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They are all the party of rapists. Same as they are the party of racists.

They're not all rapists/racists but if you're a rapist/racist you're definitely maga.

The venn diagram that contains them all only needs three circles: racist, rapist, stupid.

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lemmy.world

Yeah that's obviously not the same person, his family should sue this dude.

If he's even real

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Even if that photo is real which it is not and I didn't believe for a moment it was due to its source, The police aren't supposed to shoot people for looking a little weird either.

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brown567reply
sh.itjust.works

That's a flintlock, I'm pretty sure it doesn't count as a "firearm" in the US XD

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GraniteMreply
lemmy.world

[Checks]

Okay, well, TIL that the legal definition of firearm doesn't actually include flintlocks, though I'm sure that cops in the US would not bother to make that distinction before going all Judge Dredd and getting applause from bootlickers like in the original post.

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discuss.online

I don't use LinkedIn besides to update my profile.

Did LinkedIn become a shithole? Because WTF is this shit?

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Friend, it's conservative social media with a puritan toxic-positivity red-scare made by big tech. It has always been a shithole, and at this point, it's a malicious conservative spam platform that hacks any information that passes through it.

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My understanding, its creation was to post accolades so you can get hired by larger firms, who trend more conservative. Business attracts some of the nastiest people.

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AreaSIXreply
lemmy.zip

Is this really LinkedIn? Who tf gets political for no reason on LinkedIn? I've seen a lot of insane things posted on LinkedIn, but it always seems to at least be meant to promote the poster in their professional role. I just don't understand why a real estate agent would post something like this on LinkedIn, strange.

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I work for a very large recognizable company with incredibly deep pockets. We had a guy demo some software that his company developed that my team was interested in purchasing. During the demo he opened a browser window and his bookmark bar from left to right was Fox News, Newsmax, OANN, and Epoch fucking Times. I checked his LinkedIn and it was unhinged and unprofessional.

I think people who are in that bubble think it's as innocuous as posting about the weather.

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Oh well when you put it that way then I guess executing someone in the street makes perfect sense actually. /s

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"normal" people don't bring firearms to a protest rally

That's not what y'all were saying about Rittenhouse.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Did that piece of shit really go try to dig up dirt on a person murdered, find that picture, and think "yes, this guy is gay, this is perfect dirt"?

This is less linkedinlunatics, and more checkthatguysharddrive

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zarkanianreply
sh.itjust.works

Well, "gay" means being attracted to the same gender. It has nothing to do with how you dress. Hope that helps

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twopireply
lemmy.ca

I didn't know white people could racists to other white people. "They all look the same to me."

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I'm white and increasingly think white people look the same. Minus hair color and style choices anyway - and in many demographics of hhhhwhite people, those are increasingly homogenous.

Tbf tho most of being able to differentiate between people of different phenotypic groupings just relies on exposure. Like the "all asian people look the same" stereotype is just bc the people who believe that have not seen enough asian people to be able to learn to tell them apart.

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Well, when you put it like that, that definitely justifies a public execution in broad daylight. It would have been morally corrupt to not shoot him ten+ times in the back while he was face down on the ground, something like that takes real courage.

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piefed.social

I'm a guy who likes to wear skirts and dresses around the house. Does that mean the government is allowed to murder me?

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Well yeah, but not because of the skirts and dresses. Clearly the government is allowed to murder whomever it wants.

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Pix is an abbreviation of pictures. It's plural. The word the creator is looking for is pic.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Great, the right found a photo of Alex dressed in drag. The right is absolutely irredeemable. There is no way to convince these people to abandon their hateful ways. The fascists will eventually lose power, but they will never change. There is no statute of limitations on murder, and when the right loses control, all involved with this madness must be charged with the conspiracy. Let them fill the prisons they built.

Remember, everyone has the right to bear arms and protect themselves, except those people.

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Serinusreply
lemmy.world

Did they? He did a great job of getting rid of all his tattoos.

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Doesn’t matter if it’s real. They will all take it at face value, because they want to.

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A lot of people focusing on the tats, and certainly I'm not claiming it's the same person, but ... has nobody ever heard of henna or make-up or temporary tats or markers or any other myriad ways people can pull off the look of having a tattoo without actually having to get anything permanent done?

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Riskablereply
programming.dev

The right is made out of hate. That's how they got there and it's also what keeps them there.

To suggest otherwise is to disrespect their position! Do we blame villains for villainy? No! We fight them.

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I think the guy on the right is supposed to be Kyle Wagner. Which I think is a weak psyop being ran on YouTube. Initially saw it on an account named intelwar777.

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They're a real estate agent, being smart is hardly in the job description.

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The dumbest part about these Nazi bootlickers is there is no gun in the fucking execution video. The gun that the Nazis purportedly found was literally the first clip art hit when you search for it. The lesson I got from the Pretti murder is make sure all the Nazis are dead before rendering aid.

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Can you post photos in Linked In comments? Are there comments on Linked In posts? If so, be a shame if some enterprising AI dialogue coach made a similar picture of ol' Bob.

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Someone going to poignantly ask him the question directly to his face why he doesn't have the same standards of the media only showing terrible photos of PoC they want to demonize? Then again, you'd have to suffer being in the same room with him without smashing his face in.

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If he wanted to switch careers so bad, he could have just done it without being a dick. 🤷‍♀️

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