Spyke
lemmy.world

If I lived in CA, I'd vote for this. But, also, California could easily make it as its own country.

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Duraniereply
leminal.space

I'm in Illinois and would like to throw our hat in the ring. We're closer to you than Hawaii is and would make a nice, friendly stop over.

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Cypressreply
lemmy.zip

I'm not even on your coast -- LITERALLY the other side of the continent in New England -- and i am rooting for you SO FUCKING HARD

GLORY TO CASCADIA!

I wish New England would secede get bought by Denmark too...

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I always wanted New England to join Canada and be part of the Maritimes so that the time zone would make more sense. And so New Englanders could get healthcare that wasn't tied to employment

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We’ll set up the GoFundMe for Denmark to buy California, but only on condition that any leftover go toward this coast. We’ll be a colony or territory off Denmark!

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tomiantreply
piefed.social

Meanwhile Taiwan and the South China Sea goes bye bye, and Russia takes the Baltics.

A new world order. Woo. 

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A new world order. Woo

This, but not sarcastically.

The current world order sucks big floppy donkey dick.

Not saying that I would want the specific one YOU'RE imagining, but this one has been rotten since its inception. As was the previous one ever since Thatcher, Reagan, and Bananarama established it.

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tomiantreply
piefed.social

The problem is, so would the fascists, because they think they would win the ensuing civil war, which is a pretty solid bet as long as they are in charge of the military, which they are, and they will stay in charge until they force the civil war that they believe they will win. We are watching it happen in real time. They aren't even waiting for those "catalyzing events" that they are priming for, because they're behind schedule, so they are going to just go ahead anyway. Look, nobody is doing shit about it anyway, and if they did- well yhere you go, martial law and suspended elections straight away.

The military will do as they are told by the chain of command. Who's in command is dictated by a deeply flawed system that only ever pretended to be democratic. These were always the inevitable distal results. Call me doomey. Watch the world and see the facts and call me doomey.

We are not dealing with geniuses here. It's pretty obvious what they planned. It's like watching the evil guys in a dumb marvel movie. It's really not that complicated.

Prophecy over.

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Who's in command is dictated by a deeply flawed system that only ever pretended to be democratic.

You're right. The founding fathers did not intend to create a democracy. They created a republic with elected leaders who were chosen exclusively by wealthy, educated white men.

We certainly can't fault them for not foreseeing how much American society -- and the electorate -- would change and how little the Constitution would change.

I truly believe that if they had any inkling how little we would change the Constitution in 250 years, they would have written a whole article requiring a Constitutional Convention every 25 or 50 years.

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they think they would win the ensuing civil war, which is a pretty solid bet as long as they are in charge of the military,

Not so fast. We’re in charge of the military’s technology, not r enough of it to make a difference. Let them come but they may be surprised at what they end up targeting

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tomiantreply
piefed.social

I wonder if it would stay like that on its own in a nationally divided disunited states of America.

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Nope, we would not. But we're okay going down in the ranks so long as we separate ourselves from the batshit crazy people running the US.

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The problem California would have as its own country would be defending the massive border it has with the failed state next door.

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lemmynsfw.com

I'm sure someone will come in and tell me why this is a dumb idea, which is why I'm asking...

But why wouldn't nuclear power plants and desalination plants render water issues a thing of the past?

Is it no other reason than the hurdles of nuclear boogeymen?

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lemmy.world

The cost of energy inputs for desalinization and mitigating the environmental impacts of saline outflows make it impractical for many users of water (many irrigation, agriculture, and industrial users.) The Sun still operates the best desalinization plant on a global scale.

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Only if the proposal gets enough signatures.

The proponent of the measure, Marcus Evans, must collect signatures of 546,651 registered voters (five percent of the total votes cast for Governor in the November 2022 general election) in order for the measure to become eligible for the ballot. The proponent has 180 days to circulate petitions for the measure, meaning the signatures must be submitted to county elections officials no later than July 22, 2025.

Contact info for Marcus Evans is in the link you posted. If you're in California, ask him how you can add your name to the petition.

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feddit.online

With all the right-wing memes I've seen in the past, I'd think they would be happy to see it go.

at least until they realize how much California and other "blue" states fund their "red" states.

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Republican voters don't learn lessons from experience. That's why they're Republican voters.

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MJKee9reply
lemmy.world

They would be invading California to steal their resources and labor... Faster than JD Vance can fuck a couch.

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It would be interesting to see the major blue states go on a tax strike.

They could send their tax revenue to escrow instead of to the US government for a while. It would be good for the red states with mostly rural voters to fuck around and find out how much they need the blue states with big cities to support their way of life ... while the results can still be reversed with those escrow funds.

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lemmy.world

I've heard rumours that some people have cookies in those. But surely that's just a myth.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Am Danish, can confirm.

I recently (December) bought a tin for myself for the first time ever and they were almost as great as I remember from my early childhood in the 80s 🤤

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tomiantreply
piefed.social

I usem for USB sticks and assorted computer paraphernalia.

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lemmy.world

For the price of California (one dollar might be an agreeable option), I'm sure the people of the west coast would gladly throw in an Oregon & Washington for free!

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Hey hey us Canadians have dibs on Washington. The Western side of it anyway.

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Please, Prime Minister Fredricksen. My people yearn for freedom. We will welcome you as liberators.

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lemmy.world

Yes, please. How soon can this realistically happen, Denmark?

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lemmy.today

Realistically? Never.

California is literally almost 10x the size and 7x the population of Denmark. And just the logistics of having to manage a dependency this large that's at least a 12 hour flight away would be a nightmare, both economic and organizational.

This would likely be one of the biggest dogs any tail has ever attempted to wag (certainly in modern times) besides the British rule of India, perhaps, and we all know how that turned out.

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wewbullreply
feddit.uk

You can be like Greenland and have autonomy. I think Denmark would be fine with a similar arrangement.

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lemmy.today

The problem is that Denmark would be responsible for defending it, and logistically, that would be a nightmare. There is basically no efficient way to ship an army there without crossing US-controlled territory, be it via land (impossible), sea (US took back control of the Panama canal, remember?), or air (minimum 12 hour nonstop flight, and that's only if you're crossing US airspace).

On top of that, Denmark only has 6 Million people, so even if they shipped literally all of their soldiers there it probably wouldn't be enough to realistically hold it against a US invasion. Trump could simply order the US military to take it back and they'd likely finish the job in less than a week. Sure, Denmark could draw from the local population and invest in massive military training programs, but that would take years to accomplish and likely cost a good chunk of even their combined GDP (which they've already pledged to universal healthcare and a free Danish cookies).

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_stranger_reply
lemmy.world

In this specific case, they're on nuke subs based out of San Diego. I'd say there's a coin flip chance a few of those stay on California's side in this ridiculously contrived fantasy scenario.

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Right, because Trump would definitely just pull all the federal military out and leave all their equipment behind like Biden did in Afghanistan. /s

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Once polar ice caps melt they can just go north and sail straight through the bering strait, easy peasy, even easier if Alaska comes for the ride /s

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lemmy.today

Florida would certainly be a lot more realistic (shorter land border, much easier to reach by sea and air without having to cross US territory). Still 4x the size of Denmark however. Would definitely be a stretch, although not quite as huge as California.

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Florida is tiny ….. or the part above water will be after a few more years of “drill baby drill”

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There’s that freight rail Canada wants to build, from the west coast to Hudson Bay for cheap shipping to and from Europe

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I thought that India thing was going well. I’ve been reading news papers in order of date from the first one so I’m current on June 23rd 1757. Let’s just have a look-see

Oh… my god…

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Unlikely. California has a number of national labs including Lawrence Livermore National Lab which does atom bomb work. The University of California system does at least some of the administration for at least two major weapons labs (LLNL and Los Alamos).

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lemmy.ca

Canada should do this to ancquire Alaska too. 

there’s no good reason it’s not part of Canada. It’s not even the US’s land. 

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tomiantreply
piefed.social

It lies directly next to Canada, it's not even connected to the USA. Psychologically, Canada needs it.

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lemmy.ca

Yeah, so they weren’t there first, don’t own the land, and it makes no sense every tone I look at a map. 

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samus12345reply
sh.itjust.works

The only problem is that there are Trumpy Americans living there. It would be like having another Alberta.

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Canada can invade New England to balance out those Trumpies. I already have my maple syrup ration plus smuggled in some Tim’s

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lemmy.world

Everyone here going on about "take us too" and not one comment on how the Danes are going to logistically supply Danish Pastries to California without impacting their economy. Crips you'd have to float them through the Panama Canal. They'd be stale before they hit port. /s

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My dudes they can send us the flour and bake them here. as future danes we got supply chains already

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boonhetreply
sopuli.xyz

Or that they'd be made in Denmark. Could just be Danish recipes, made in California.

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Oh yeah, good point!

All pastries made in California would be Danish pastries

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sh.itjust.works

We have a Dantown already. We just need to expand their production capacity, also theres a company in Colton who produces these little calzone looking pies that are so fucking good and have been 99 cents for fucking decades.

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lemmy.world

Däntown, my friend. Also I go by Colton every so often and I fuckin love calzones would you mind DMing me the name of the company?

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sh.itjust.works

They aren't really calzones just don't know the name of them besides pies. You can usually find them at Staters around the Inland Empire, at the one I go to it's in the back right corner on a little rotation rack.

Edit: They tend to be in paper wrappers, with basic flavors like chocolate pudding, vanilla pudding, cherry filled, think I've even seen orange ones on occasion.

Edit2: the brand is called Mrs. Redds.

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I think we just call those hand pies. I grew up eating Mrs redds though. This fruit pours are amazing.

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programming.dev

Ok so instead of breaking the US up into the United states of Canada and Jesusland, I am totally cool with something like The Green States of America Land.

We could be a good neighbor to Canada and slowly transition Jesusland off of all the welfare money.

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slowly transition Jesusland off of all the welfare money

Jesusland is exceedingly ungrateful for the generosity of California. (and New York.)

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AA5Breply
lemmy.world

Just build all our factories there (like we already do). They’ll think they’re getting good jobs, but we’ll be paying third world wages and with none of those pesky worker safety or environmental protection rules. Let them live in the polluted hellscape they keep voting for

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I honestly believe there are more people who would like the USA to become a part of Denmark than there are people who want Greenland

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lemmy.world

Burying the lede.

They should have opened with the pastries.

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Ok, Denmark, I think you need to rethink the last point after seeing just how much food Americans can put away...

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USA'ian who lives in Denmark: let's do this shit. It'd probably be a big QoL increase for a fair few people in CA

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I propose all of New England. Maybe then we can get that highspeed rail line that NYC and Boston were trying to build back in the 2000s. Between that, the two international airports of both cities, the multiple major ports across all of coastal New England, the high rates of college educated workers (a whopping 80% of the workforce in Boston, highest percentage in the country), and the wealth of residents across the area, there's a lot of benefits there.

Denmark (or any other EU country, really), is there any way that I can make this deal more appealing? How about if I told you that Rockstar has a studio north of Boston and that by taking New England you could get GTA 6 faster?

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To be fair, the North-Eastern and South-Western US States don't need Denmark or any other country to make this happen. I mean, there are plenty of guns and plenty of good guys so...

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But the GDP per Capita is not insanely different, $85k vs 102k (source: wiki)

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Did you mean “New Denmark would have a GDP more than ten times old denmark”?

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lemmy.world

I mean by what right does California belong to the USA. I mean all they did was roll a wagon onto the land 500 years ago. Who's to say the Danish didn't around the same time too?

(sorry indigenous Californians your righteous and original claim doesn't help me make my point)

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jaybonereply
lemmy.zip

I think the Spanish were here first. And then it was part of Mexico…

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Ok, I'm not trying to be factually accurate. I'm trying to point out the idiocy of trump's comments

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IIRC the Spanish took over the land as a place to put the Muslims after the Iberian “crusades”.

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Horseyreply
lemmy.world

California has only been a thing since the mid 19th century, so half that time lol

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frazwreply
lemmy.world

Ah I see, you were thinking the sarcastic response to trumps factually inaccurate statement should be factually accurate. Got it.

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I meant that I was being sarcastic in my first post, not you. I was copying what Trump said about Greenland and Denmark landing a boat there and applying it to california to try to show how ridiculous his position is. I was not trying to be factually accurate. I was trying to poke fun at him. It seems it was either not as obvious as I thought or just a bad joke.

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lemmy.world

When I was a kid in the nineties I visited Denmark and had their pastries. I don't remember much from the time except that the pastries were so sickly sweet and had overpowering flavor of some nut extract (almond maybe). Never in my life was I so disgusted by pastries as in Denmark. So they can keep those to themselves. I'll take the rest though

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Whaaaa?! I've always found Danish pastries to be much less sweet than American, though the American take is cloyingly sweet. Almond flavor totally tracks, though. Many I've seen are almond flavored or at least include almonds.

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Yeah I do wonder if I tried them today would they still seem overly sweet? Things have changed.

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Haha I love the (semi) random experience shares,I keep doing those on here to keep up some engagement and well add something semi relevant. Usually tangential to the main topic.

Though by the description I'd love to try those pastries, never found anything too sweet. Near 50 now,I'll assume it happens sometimes, once I thought I understood my mom saying it made her back teeth hurt which I'm pretty sure she meant it was too sweet but can't recall it happening more than twice to me at most.

Grew up north in Canada, hate the cold but everything else about similar Nordic countries seem to be pretty good. Well work from home these days.....didn't have that before.

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Alaska is only 55 miles away from Russia. FACT. Alaska is not safe as a US state. The European Union must immediately take over Alaska and turn it into the 28th EU member. THIS IS VITAL TO THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF ALASKA AND THE WORLD. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

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TheGoldenVreply
lemmy.world

That’s really my only hope. Danish is difficult and I’m very sub par on languages.

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"oooh, nice. Oooooh, yes. Wait, What's this...fa.. fact based politics? I'M OUT. HOW DARE YOU!?!!"

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Would make more sense if they offered to buy Utah or Alabama or some other state that wouldn't want to be bought by a country with a sane government.

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PunnyNamereply
lemmy.world

Why would they intentionally give themselves a debuff like that?

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lemmy.world

Denmark: “How much for Florida?”

USA: “Florida is not for sale!”

Denmark: “I know. I’m asking how much you’re willing to pay me to take Florida.”

USA: 🤔

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We make fun of it, but Florida Man is an agent of chaos that's essential to the American identity.

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This whole comment section sounds like a game of Monopoly and it's hilarious. "I'll trade you Boardwalk for States Avenue."

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Hey man, some people really like a fixer upper. Even though the fixer upper in question here really needs to be torn down to the dirt.

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This is true, California would join Denmark free of charge whereas Florida would ask for money

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I just love the fact that in Estonian, that name means "insult" (in noun form)

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wabassoreply
lemmy.ca

Can’t they buy Florida or Texas instead? I feel like the US really needs California.

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Nah sorry, both of those are waaaaaay further away from being European.

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I propose a new country formed by drawing roughly the following line

It was meant to include Delaware too, but I made a mistake and cba to redraw it since I did it in one go and couldn't ctrl + z lol

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lemmy.world

Just keep Your black licorice to Yourself Denmark.

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Wh- hey! What about the rest of us?!

How much time do we have to move before this goes through?!

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Sweden will buy your state. We love you!

You will be our, perhaps most CHERISHED 26th province.

Governor Newsom can't come though.

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I hate CA but I will totally move/live there to be part of the danish.

And to give a middle finger to the US.

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lemmy.world

Brian Taylor Cohen is a paid shill.

But...

...this is a great offer from the Danes. I say take it, California.

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lemmy.world

Literally takes payments from Dem donors to say specific things. Taylor Lorenz reported on it a few months ago.

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I wouldn't trust Taylor Lorenz either, they all grifting you and you ain't in the club

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The online left is a disorganized mess, evidenced by the disdain you've shown towards anyone on the left that isn't 100% the exact form of anarcho-marxist-liber-socialism (or whatever) you've become convinced is the only way to do things. The left will keep losing to fascism if you're unable to organize.

BTC is doing a lot of work to try to organize the left. What are you doing? Just labelling anyone that tries to organize a "shill". Exactly as they much more organized fascists want you to do.

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All both parties do after all is grift - the Republicans grift by having progressive content creators say conservative talking points just for views and money, and the Democrats grift by paying people like BTC and David Pakman dark money to say that. It's time we go for a real third way - a populist party dedicated to class consciousness. Seriously!

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lemmy.world

California's constitution considers California as inseparable from the United States. Congress would have to want to get rid of California.

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