Machado presented Trump with her Nobel award at White House meeting
Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado told reporters she presented the medal for her Nobel Peace Prize to President Donald Trump at a private White House meeting on Thursday, but did not say if he accepted it.
"I think today is a historic day for us Venezuelans," she said after the meeting with Trump, the first time the two have met in-person.
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It's like bribing and appeasing a toddler at the same time.
More like bribing someone who is known as a child rapist.
You know what they say. It's easy as bribing a toddler.
I mean, what does a trophy matter in the long run if it means her country and people might be left alone by a madman? She still was the one who was awarded the Nobel and Trump can’t take that away from her.
She's not doing it in the interest of Venezuela. She's doing it so that he'll make her the puppet leader of Venezuela. She's not Gandhi; she's Vidkun Quisling.
To be clear, she was praising Trump long before the events of this month. She never wanted the country or her people to be left alone, she wanted all this to happen so she could suck up to him and be installed. Did she have a hand in actually making it (the war and the Maduro kidnapping) happen? Probably not, but she was dealt the exact hand she wanted so now she can enjoy it.
What a dumb bitch. I think after this the Nobel committee should retrospectively take it away from her, so that orange fuck can't claim that he got it.
She got the Nobel Peace prize. Do you know who else got the Peace prize?
Henry Kissinger.
So did Obama, right before he ordered a bunch of strikes.
If you think Obama is comparable to Kissinger then you might be a Trump voter.
Don't be campist. Kissinger was obviously worlds worse, but Obama killed an insane amount of civilians with drones and claimed that because they were military aged males they were actually combatants. He double tapped to kill first responders and assassinated a US citizen with a drone strike and no due process. Just because the Republicans are far more evil doesn't make Obama's rampant war crimes any less awful.
Well, Trump voters and a whole bunch of dems thought kamala was comparable to trump.
Hey, there's multiple options. They could be a "stay at home and not bother" voter instead. They are the largest electoral demographic in the US after all.
Yes…”before” is a pretty important qualifier.
The Obama prize can be viewed as an aspirational prize: rewarding rhetoric that was a drastic change from the typical US hawkish rhetoric and policy that had been increasing since Reagan. They ultimately got it wrong…very very wrong…but at least it was based on something.
Kissinger, on the other hand, was tantamount to a war criminal and everybody knew it.
Giving it to Machado just tells us that the prize is fully corrupted, considering her violent rhetoric. Not just that - but the notion that she was promoting democracy is laughable, given her statements about installing a regime that would be resistant or immune to leftist political victories.
If I recall correctly, it was awarded before he actually did anything. It felt like wishful thinking, and then he proceeded to authorize strikes somewhere.
Yeah…it was based mostly on rhetoric but also early policy…which isn’t nothing. Close to…but still. He did things like sign an executive order to close Guantanamo and laid out a plan to stop the Iraq war. We know what actually happened…but we also know that it wasn’t solely his decision to reneg.
It made sense because of how hawkish everything had been up until then. There wasn’t a sense that he’d essentially become a lame duck in the first midterms…and that he’d do so much for the hawks and get nothing in return.
I didn’t have any problems with what Obama did at that time. I just thought it was premature to give him the award. It made it seem meaningless.
Yeah…I agree…but both things are true, IMO. It made sense at the time, and in hindsight it was a mistake.
Some folks act like he was awarded the prize after the drone strike escalation…which isn’t strictly true.
So Trump just needs to bomb more civilians without congressional approval. Easy
I wish they would, but they have publicly stated that it can't be transferred, shared, or revoked.
It just can be physically handed to Trump to keep forever 😉
And the plate says she's giving it to Trump "symbolically"
Given Trump's relation with reality and mental age, the formalism are irrelevant: in his mind if he has the shinny thing then the prize is his.
She's giving up a piece of metal in the hopes that it'll help her country. The country that she's the rightful president of.
This is Juan Guaido erasure!
I gotta say, solid contender for most pathetic image of 2026.
It’s beyond parody, it’s apocalyptically stupid, it can’t be ridiculed because it’s self-ridiculing in a way that’s never been done before. Merely looking at this image makes you dumber. It’s a vortex, a black hole of stupidity and hubris.
Your words are like poetry.
And it's just mid January...
Yeah, it feels very disorienting honestly, like we just lived through a year in 2 weeks, heh.
By 2027 I'll be a decade older. Or dead. Probably dead.
It STILL hasn't been a year since that fetid piece of pig shit assumed office!
Yeah, I've had to remind my friends since roughly late November of this whenever they would gasp and say a variation of, "An there is still three more years of this left".
Extremely optimistic of them to think that things will get better in three years!
This will age as well as this picture:
Kontext: https://www.worldhistory.org/image/19615/chamberlain-after-the-munich-agreement/
Washington's up there like, "Told you fuckers political parties were a problem!"
It would be funny if she got a chocolate medal to gift him. Like this if you have not seen those medals with chocolate inside.
and all that guady gold decorations.
That’s like buying your boss a “best boss” mug to try to get a raise. It means nothing and your boss is an idiot.
More like giving your boss your own "best boss" mug.
Quit enabling the pedophile god dammit. Now you're a pedophile by association, Maria, you fucking idiot.
this is so embarrassing for everyone involved, yikes.
Even for the Nobel Price Committee to some degree. I will be interested in what their reaction will be.
They already said that the price is given in the moment and cant be regifted or removed because later acts.
So in a way Trump is just as much nobel price winner as much as my cousing is Olympic ski jumping gold metalist. He bought the metal from auction, but it does not mean he earned it.
.......she just gave and regifted it.
I tought my olympic medal anectode would be good enough. Or do you think that if Michael Phelps gave you you one of his medals it would make you a better swimmer?
Even the Nobel Prize committee? You mean the ones who
gavesold it to her in the first place?Before: bribes done in secret, big scandal if journalists found out
Now: bribes are given in front of hundreds of journalists and photographers and the receiver is smiling like a toddler getting a box of Lego Duplo
Dumbest bribe ever
Boot licker.
Fascist sycophant.
So pathetic for the both of them
FIFA peace prize in shambles…
I bought a superbowl ring, that means I am now a superbowl champion.
That is the logical flow of this, yes.
If it makes him shut up on one issue, fine. Pacifier for the big baby.
Does not change the fact that the Nobel Prize is not transferrable.
Doesn't matter, because Trump doesn't know. Even if he did it wouldn't keep him from claiming it was "his" Nobel Prize. "It was given to me, so it's mine., see? All mine."
The committee should re-award it given that the recipient doesn't value it.
Given that the Nobel Prize is basically the moral equivalent of a cracker jack prize at this point, and given that it's guaranteed to make the Toddler in Chief choke on a McDonald's cheeseburger, they should give it to Obama. I mean, what the fuck - after giving Kissinger one, it's not like the committee assigning them can be said to stand for anything approaching morality. Might as well do it for the memes.
They should just give the next one to Kissinger, posthumously. Just drive the point home.
better have the necromancer standing by to ressurect him.
Wouldn't induce as much apoplexy in the diaper wearing fuck. But would still be funny.
Yeah, make it twins!
I don't have enough vomit for this, can I borrow someone else's
What an embarresment for the Nobel Institute.
The Nobel institute was already kind of an embarrassment with what they've been doing for the past decade.
The Nobel peace prize is just a sad affair
They gave Obama a Nobel Peace Prize based on vibes alone, in the beginning of his term. Even he was surprised, what a joke.
This is actually understandable when you consider him a symbol of a new era of race relations in the United States. Unfortunately, this turned out to not be the case but there was a beautiful moment of hope at the time. It seems that the powers that be want to burn the country to the ground to erase that spark of hope. That’s my interpretation of that anyway
I get that she probably realizes he's a simpleton and you can get a simpleton to do what you want if you give them gifts.
But still. Have some self respect.
From my talking with someone who grew up under a nation with a corrupt regime, self respect is a luxury that people under such a regime cannot afford when dealing with the government.
Small, petty, corrupt government personnel are a way of life and people just accept this sort of stuff as mundane fact of life.
So such folks are uniquely emotionally prepared for this sort of interaction.
They are all losing their masks. The weakness and demagogy of Maduro's leadership, american entrism in the opposition, the failure of international institutions etc . We are all fucked, the values we've grown up with and that we studied in school were LIES
"Fascism arises from the collapse of legitimacy of liberal institutions"
Did you not always think it was all a sham though?
Venezuelan is proper fucked if this is the opposition they have.
corruption is the cancer that took Venezuela long ago…
fuck I swear this is pathetic enough to cause an integer overflow or something
Did South Park do this as a bit already?
I don't think so. It was the FIFA and Apple One that they did.
It basically demeans everyone...the Nobel committee, tramp (blissfully unaware), her...
"You can grab them by the peace prize... They let you do anything"
The Nobel committee is a joke
Look at his smile, he actually thinks he won something. what a pathetic little bitch.
He's the kind of kid that they invented participation trophies for, just so he wouldn't throw a tantrum at the awards ceremony, and scream "CHEATER!" at everybody, when everybody knows he was ALWAYS the cheater.
If anyone still thinks the "opposition" is not entirely subservient to western interests at this point, they will never learn otherwise.
I'm not going to suggest that they'd be better off with Maduro, but surely they could come up with someone better than Trump's asshole licker.
This is just naked manipulation. I would be ashamed if someone tried it on me, but what do you know, Trump completely laps it up. She's a sly and calculating operator, I will give her that.
We truly do live in a clown world.
Glazing Trump is about as easy as it gets.
Certainly true, but being willing to debase yourself like this can't be easy. Or maybe she's just trash and it's super easy for her, I don't know.
So I heard an interview with one of her associates and they seemed pretty pragmatic about whatever sucking up they need to do to make Trump change things the way they think needs to be changed. And it didn't sound like they were disappointed or shocked or anything, just that's the way things go.
Reminds me of speaking with a colleague that was an immigrant from a country with a well known corrupt government. He just couldn't get as shocked as the rest of us over Trump's behavior. He recognized it as bad, but as far as he was concerned, that was just life and he was used to it. Disappointed for things to start feeling a bit too much like his home country to be sure, but overt corruption was just the way things were. I could imagine being in the thick of such a government and just being boringly normal about this level of petty corruption.
"Thank you for your Nobel Prize, here is a bag of Trump steaks from 1999"
She also loves Israel, go figure.
Not sure what this nobel peace prize is supposed to mean at this point.
First, the prize, like most such prizes, is a popularity contest, merit be damned.
Second, as everyone knows, except perhaps Trump, the statue is worthless without the intent behind it. She gave him a paperweight, probably cheaper than whatever gift she would have given otherwise.
I mean, some idiot gave him a purple heart last time and he thought it was pretty cool.
The Nobel prize trophy is a massive gold medal, AFAIK. It is not the Oscar.
So foolish, she knows not who she deals with. I guess I cannot fault her for trying though but appeasement of a megalomaniac rarely works out.
There isn't exactly a huge market of people to trade Nobel Prizes to in exchange for political favors, so it's not like a better option is likely to come along.
Damn, I got fooled thinking she was cool. Nobel peace prize really means dick all now huh
I got bad vibes as soon as she started to talk about sharing the prize with Trump. To be honest I'm a bit worried what will happen in Venezuela if she becomes president. Because people who are willing to do anything to be leaders are rarely good leaders.
I mean, did she really need to?
Suck up
Literally this
What does président Stephen Miller think about that. Trump isn't the president
She’s just dumb if she believed that Trump was going to expend resources and install her as the President. Trump, in a rare moment of accuracy, correctly assessed that installing her would cause unrest…maybe even a war. He much prefers bribing and blackmailing the corrupt entities within the “leftist” system.
All Nobel prizes should just sell them on Ebay to show how little value it has.
As a Venezuelan I can say, what a shameful exhibition
Another Dunning-Krugerrand for the pile
What a cheap whore
I would not want a bootlicker like Corina Machado as the leader of my country and still it is not bootlicker enough for the pedophile crime syndicate of america.
It probably has a ring camera in it or a literal drone flying near it and the current admin is too stupid to think to do a bug check. Meanwhile all those worst people you’ve played COD with over the years have graduated to murdering actual people and the one really shitty friend from high school (if you’re still in touch) is likely singing their praises on social.
But like, hey it’s important to consider the feelings of someone who is sad about eating animals but still eats fish because they aren’t animals right?
That’s a striking moment whatever people think of Trump, handing over a Nobel award at the White House is heavy with symbolism. It feels like one of those gestures meant to send a message more than make headlines.
I'm clearly missing some huge portions of this [complicated] picture.
wtaf. 😐
The comments here appear to confirm the Nobel committee awarded the right person: anything a Lemmy circlejerk hates is almost certainly right & good as further evinced by telltale signs such as histrionic meltdowns.
Machado, before she won the prize, called for the violent overthrow of the Chavinistas on multiple occasions & promised to hand some of the governance of her country over to corporations. Additionally, she promised to install a regime that would be resistant or immune to leftist wins in elections undercutting the very reason she was given the prize.
Whatever axe you have to grind with the forum you’re using is irrelevant if you can’t articulate an argument.
She very very clearly was angling to be Pinochet 2.0
Absolutely. If she was installed as leader I would predict a brutal civil war without heavy ongoing “security” from the US.
And the comments say none of that as you provide no references to substantiate anything you wrote. "Irrelevant", "inarticulate" comments, which they all were, need nothing to articulate against them. All I see here is mindless, unsubstantiated rage, so 🤷.
This is a comments section…not a bibliography. I’m stating public facts…very easy to check.
You haven’t said anything that makes me believe you’re interested in making an argument or would make it worth my time to spoonfeed you. I’m not making obscure statements.
Cringe
Man, you're like a pizza cutter. All edge and no point.
Pretty much. Sometimes I'm still surprised how deranged people here can be.