“This is what I voted for?”: Trump supporter loses farm and income to tariffs, only to be mocked online
A small business owner who voted for Donald Trump recently posted a video on TikTok, pleading for help as crushing tariffs on China threatened to bankrupt his operation, which imports alloy wheels. His call for support, however, drew little sympathy from some fellow Americans.
“Votes have consequences,” he was told, with many comments from Twitter/X users relishing the notion that another MAGA voter was suffering because of their political choice. The backlash prompted a second video from the man, in which he dropped several F-bombs while criticizing the apparent heartlessness of those celebrating his hardship.
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Heartless shit upset that his vote to cause extreme hardship for others is actually causing hardship in his own life. Imagine throwing rocks at people and expecting sympathy when one bounces back and hits you in the face.
May you live in interesting times.May you live in the times you voted for.Its so hard for these people to understand that when you spew hate at others, whether through your actions, your words, or through your ballot, that people have less empathy for your than other people that might experience similar hardships and haven't been spewing hate.
The whole comparison of "you laughed at Charlie thing, and now we're laughing at ice killing" is so hard for these people to understand why most sane people view these deaths differently.
Person C spent his entire life spewing hate and saying some crazy shit that puts other people down, or in danger with his gun laws thinking, etc.
Person R was just a normal person, not spewing hate as a career.
Cue the shocked Pikachu face when they realize I care more about person R, than person C.
Similarly, if this person voted for Trump and lost his farm, I'm gonna have a lot less sympathy for him, than someone who voted against Trump, and lost his farm.
We laughed cause he spent years calling for political violence and then got what he asked for.
The primary difference here is that Charlie was murdered by a citizen who was arrested as soon as his identity was uncovered and is now in custody.
Renee Good was murdered by a federal agent that has the full support of the federal government and will likely never be arrested or face any accountability.
Oh no it's not like that.
Person C was wearing my team's colours, and person R wasn't. Therefore person C's death is terrible and person R's joke is a funny joke.
The ridiculous thing is that they expect any empathy at all, when a key feature of their ideology is a complete lack of empathy.
The ridiculous thing is that centrists will give them the empathy they want, no matter what they do, and then spew all their hate at the left.
I really hope most of us liberal leaning people did not laugh. Murder is horrific no matter who the victim.
It is counter to the principles we (should ) live. Sure, no need to go pretend to be particularly impacted, or to suddenly try to find the goodness in him.
Besides, most liberal leaning people are also reasonably smart and know such an act only makes things worse for us, even if our side didn't do it.
My first thought was it probably was a MAGA follower who did it, and it turned out to be the case.
If you really need to laugh, laugh at MAGA for killing their own.
"So much for the tolerant left" they cry, after punching leftists in the face for 30+ years.
All that's left is the consequences of their own actions, anybody who would've been willing to help them gave up long ago.
he should say so much for the tolerant right
That's a brilliant metaphor.
Actually, that's not the issue. Like, for real, I'm not trying to mock you it anything like that; I submit disagree with the premise.
The problem is fear, not lack of intelligence. They're cowards. Fear can, and will, make fools of the smartest people. But really, what's the common theme in literally all Republican messaging? Fear.
You have to be stupid to be afraid of the things they say you should be afraid of.
Their leaders play zero sum games with their stupid followers enabling them.
This is also stupid.
Agreed. When in a moment of common someone explains with logic why there is no reason to be afraid, any remaining fear is entirely illogical. Therefore any person who continues to feel the fear has rejected logic and can be best described as a stupid whiny little bitch. The abbreviation for this is M.A.G.A, the initialism only makes sense is it's original stupidlittlebitchanese.
Are you even conscious of what the point of all this bad faith rationalization is?
One can be both stupid and fearful. In fact, Trump needs his minions to be both of these things, because with intelligence and rationality, comes the notion that one need not fear things like the LGBTQ+, or women.
When people are stupid enough to believe they have something to fear, the solution can be easily sold to them.
Porque no los dos?
I remember reading somewhere the disgust is a strong motivator for right wing voters. It was a study where simply cleaning the area where people vote increased support for progressive candidates.
All right wing strategies is about fear, all around the world it's the same tactics, and sorry but the stupid fall for those tactics.
Not just the stupid. Is it stupid to give in to fear? Well, yes, of course it is; but even genius is not infallible. And, unfortunately, the propagandists know exactly how to trap you in fight or flight mode.
It's hard not to dehumanize those that helped bring this about. I know. But it's not an easy, simple thing, and it's been brewing for the entire history of this country. Not to mention bigotry is the favored tactic of our adversary. Behaving on their level is not my plan, I don't know about the rest of y'all...
It's stupid to give into irrational fear. Yes.
No, you're right. Thank you for the reminder.
If we have a progressive president, the trick would be for them to exude an aura of courage and certainty. FDR and Theodore did that, and are among the top five American presidents for it. Fireside chats were something that FDR did, not just to explain, but also to reassure. Before him, Theodore, was willing to risk his own flesh in battle and to remain standing after being shot by an assassin.
We need brave guys and gals to speak for a better future.
It’s deffo both.
It's both. And they feed into one another.
It's a combination. I saw a video last week about how MAGA tout their larger amyglya (spelling err) as proof they are smarter. The video pointed out that part of the brain regulates fear.
Fear makes one vulnerable to influence by would be protectors. Stoke enough fear and critical thinking is very difficult.
Smarter people learn how to manage the fear and rise above it.
And we are here to teach them how the world actually works. Love seeing MAGA salt
It's not that all conservative people are stupid but all stupid people are inevitability conservative.
"Stupidity" is a powerless hypothesis, intended not to explain, but to terminate thought.
Edit: way to prove my point.
Or, Republicans are fucking stupid.
Porque no los dos, imho.
The hypothesis being that they are simply not smart enough to understand that when a demented rapist felon traitor tells you more lies, they’re lying. The explanation is because they’re stupid.
You're right. They're stupid AND evil.
Bonhoeffer is the guy to read on stupidity & fascism.
So, nothing was ever done by stupid people for no other reason than they’re stupid?
He didn't get shot in the head and left to bleed out, so what's his fucking problem?
That's a blunt but accurate counterpoint. Ouch, but thanks.
At this point, it’s not even about economics anymore—it’s a moral failure. You can't claim to love your country while cheering for policies that ruin your fellow citizens, only to cry when the bill finally comes for you too.
My UK family always used to ask what makes Canadians different from USAians, as they saw us all as America. And it was hard to describe.
But talking to US coworkers lately I found a common theme: While Canadians may not seem very patriotic, we do work towards a common goal of making a society better for all.
In the US every comment I hear from coworkers is "I Got Mine, so I ain't worried." And made me realize USA thinks patriotism is living as an individual in a grand country, but not actually caring about their country as a whole.
that's because none of us have felt represented by our government since before Regan. Why should I care about my country if it is actively hostile towards me? My entirely life it has wanted to make things impossible for me to succeed. Actively destroyed any possibility of succeeding.
the only thing I learned in my life as an American is that I'll lie cheat and steal my way to a better tomorrow, because at the end of the day morals and ethics don't fill your belly and warm your bed at night. it doesn't protect my family. it doesn't create opportunities for my kids.
fuck this country, fuck this government, fuck every single politician and corpofascist that allowed this to happen.
I'm not a bad person, I just have to be bad because they won't let me live any other way.
In a democracy, it all boils down to who votes for what. Too bad that people are so susceptible to propaganda, which taps in to their fears and low moral values. It's okay to blame the politicians, but don't forget the voters who have given them permission.
... And this was one of the goals starting with the Reagan revolution, mid 1970's.
Well, what will people in Africa say?
It sounds surreal that people in the USA would say something like that.
That's the definition of American conservatism. That's not a quip. Self reliance and fuck everyone else is the philosophy.
They're not self reliant though. Most of them work for someone lol
That and other blind spots in their logic
For example, I watch bushcraft and survivalist videos for fun and education, and the prepped survivalists almost universally are preparing to defend their homesteads from literally everyone.
I prefer the ones that cite the Amish and similar communities works. They understand survival comes from both skills and community.
Damn. As a USAian, this sish hits hard.
I don't know man, it doesn't feel that way up here as strongly anymore. I'm increasingly seeing more american-style conservatism
Well even that seems to show we have our own style, and can feel "American" style seeping in
I think the US isn't really a country despite what they say, it's just a bunch of people living in the same area.
Thus the guns, cuz your on your own in the wild west
I confirm. I knew gringos (US persons). They are extremely individualist.
On the topic of tariffs, voters were outright lied to, so I won't criticize people for believing it. I'd be surprised if most people graduating high school now even know what a tariff is, much less how they work.
Bummer for us even more that the worst hasn't yet come on tariffs, and only because it takes so long for new trade agreements to take effect. In the next year or two Europe and China will have rerouted their trade around the US rather than through it.
Wikipedia can dumb it down enough for even middle school dropouts, so it's not an excuse.
Yeah, we all carry around the entire knowledge of human existence in our pockets, saying "I never knew," doesn't fly anymore. The rest of us knew, what's your excuse?
Typical reaction, get mad when they can't have it both ways in their benefit while watching others suffer. Fuck that guy.
They thought they were the in-group.
Eventually no one is in the in-group.
as in trumps own words" poor suckers and losers"
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I do disagree with your reasoning
Personally I don't vote for what affects my life in the most positive way, because that seems a little selfish although it's understandable.
I vote for what I believe affects everyone's life more positively, even if it's not necessarily a benefit to my specific situation. I might not be gay but I would vote for the candidate who supports gay marriage vs the one that might give me a $1000 check for tariff profits.
You vote for the greater good
...pathetic piece of terminally stupid shit.
But we have to listen to him because he's where centrists want the party to be.
That's exactly what you voted for. He literally told he'd do that. He's delivering exactly what he promised.
Not only was Trump open about it, but basically everyone who was not a fanatic warned them about it.
And their reaction was "lol u mad, librul?" or even "the left-wing is censoring us!!1!"
Yes, and that's a key issue in their dynamics. They care more about being against "the other" than whatever "the other" is saying. You warn me about putting my hand inside the metal grinder? Now I'll put my hand inside the grinder even harder!
He says "yes, i knew tariffs and shit was going to happen. I literally knew i was voting for this to happen to me and its all your fault"
"I was voting for all this bad stuff to happen to me but at least browns and queers are afraid again"
Far right voters don‘t actually listen to what politicians say. It sounds weird because they‘re so radicalized but they legitimately lack the ability to listen. Most of them don‘t even try.
And the idiot will vote for this again, because these people always just vote for the magic (R) next to each name on the ballot.
Narcissism: I'm right, me, me me, me me me. Wait, I'm wrong, pity me, me, me me me. How dare you blame me, for being a victim, poor victim me, me, me me me. Lol, someone else, who cares lololol lmao.
Since Donny became president in 2016 this country has gone from “we the people” to “me, me, ME!”
Always has been.
Boomers were called the "Me" generation.
No, you were told what the result would be. You knew the outcome. You decided to follow your cult instead of common sense. You got what you voted for. I only wish everyone else didn’t have to suffer because of your evil.
When Trump first started talking about tariffs this is exactly what everybody said. Unless you also introduce schemes to assist with setting up infrastructure in the US then the tariffs are not going to have the desired effect.
Nobody is going to set up a factory if there's every possibility that the tariffs will go away at some point in the next 4 years. Not unless the cost of setting up that factory is ameliorated somehow. Otherwise companies are just going to accept they're going to get fewer orders from the US for the next few years.
Especially if setting up a factory in another country means that your staff are likely to get abducted by ICE for no reason.
oh, the last part is terrifyingly realistic 😅
Didn't that happen in Georgia or something?
Yes, at a Hyundai plant. Trump is a fucking idiot.
I work in logistics. The whole industry has been saying amongst ourselves the whole time there's barely a chance that suppliers of assembled goods will move the majority of their warehouses of manufactured products to the US. Let alone the manufacturing itself.
Absolutely delulu.
til a kpop z word.🙇♀️
I mean, is he expecting pre-fab factories to pop up overnight?
I am once again reminded of that manufacturing company owner who was shocked by the price of a made in america machine going up so much due to tariffs
like mf do you not realize how that machine gets made? the people who make it in america buy tons of parts from other countries because it's cheaper, so yeah when they have to buy those parts here or pay tariffs because they literally cannot get the parts here, its going to cost more.
the number of people who own businesses and are absolute fucking dumbasses is just astounding to me. like good on them for having initiative, but wow is it ever surprising how many are stupid
There are also an unimaginable amount of parts and raw resources that are only available from very specific suppliers or countries. The economy is global and in 2026 no country is an economic island. This was always going to be the outcome. Every economist, manufacturer, and logistics expert on the planet pointed this out repeatedly. And that’s before we even touch on how shitty these factory jobs are. Dangerous, tedious, awful jobs are what you want for your country? No, the whole thing was always about robbing USians to give give free money to billionaires.
Ha ha, the US sure knows how to get intense
He can get a job as a picker on another farm. Maybe one owned by a big corporation. Maybe his own former farm once it's sold. They are freeing up work conventionally done by imigrant workers, right? Hard work pays off under conservatives, right?
You mean the megacorp farm that actually got $ from the government... Plus tax cuts, and sweetheart trade deals with favored foreign countries? One of those?
They are in the process of lining up the layoffs as soon as those new androids roll off the assembly line.
It is interesting to read the coverage. Many of us didn't relish anything. We find it ironic, we find it good for the lulz, and we ask ourselves, "Do you think he learned anything?" followed by the observation, "Meh, probably not. Reality never interested him, so why should things be different now?"
We don't want Trump supporters to get fucked. Rather, we want to live in a world where Trump can't fuck over anyone. But that's not the situation right now, and karma's a motherfucker.
THIS!!!!
They don't seem to understand that we aren't enemies. They are Americans, just like we are Americans. We want ALL Americans, including them, to be healthy, well paid, well fed, and safe.
Those conditions are NOT being met right now. Ask anyone on food stamps how well fed they are.
Ask an economist how well paid the average american is.
Ask Rene Good how safe she feels. Oh wait, you can't. She's dead.
Right now, America is in a very dangerous place. Some say we're dangerously close to being a fascist dictatorship. Others say we're already there. Trump brought this, but he's not the "cause". Trump is only the tool. Even if the 2028 election is legit, and Trump can't run, he was never the archetect of this. OTHER republicans will prop up the next guy. They'll say the democrat running that year is the cause of everybodys misery. And the same path trump led us down will be continued. And nothing will change.
Even when it became clear that covid was killing more republicans than democrats, despite logically it making more sense that it would kill more in densly populated democrat cities. Which it only did so because democrats respected 6 feet distance, masks and vaccines. While republicans......made out with their sisters I guess?
Even when it became clear it was killing them more than democrats, they STILL called it a hoax.
Then I'd see actual real life examples of them posting on facebook that "their brother just died of covid, and omg guys covid is real, we need to start taking precautions!". Only to be met by their own community as a traitor to their community. Mocked for believing in covid. Until another post was the same thing. Aaaaaaand repeat.
This stupid "war" has never ended. It's only gotten dumber, with bigger stakes.
Maybe mixed signals like these are just unclear to them (and people in general)?
And your reaction is another one that ignores reality. As I predicted, sigh.
If a person treats me like shit, I'm not going to invite them over for coffee, but neither do I hope their mom dies of cancer. That's just common sense. That's something everyone can understand, but only if they can get over their own ego.
I think my "reaction" was fairly normal for common people reading an internet comment. Most people aren't going to take the time to analyze every occurrence of divisive language like that.
If I were a Republican, and someone suggested that I "made out with my sister," then I'd probably sense a disrespectful tone in what I'm reading. It's unfortunate that it "contaminated" the surrounding text which was actually making a decent point.
In other words: Does the inclusion of the "made out with their sisters" part make the communication more productive, or less productive? (Though "productive" might depend on the actual intent, e.g. unity vs. division.)
When so many people needlessly choose divisive language, people become more divided. How is this not obvious?
Slightly off-topic: For those who might not understand this, the book How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie might improve your life. It was written in 1936, but a lot of it is still applicable because humans are still humans. If you're not into reading, the audiobook is good too.
It is very hard to feel pity for people who only feel pity for themselves, and never for others.
He should be mocked and ridiculed until it penetrates his tiny brain that he is part of the problem and he is getting what he deserves.
Critical thinking? In this world???
I hope that the business owner gets over being dragged online and restarts his political thinking to align with the betterment of him, his family's, and his community's lives.
In my experience expecting magats to actually learn anything is just wishful thinking.
It usually is, but i wish it anyway.
The difference between expecting and hoping.
More likely he'll become bitter and blame Biden. If only Trump has gotten in sooner!
"How could the Leopards I voted for eat MY face???"
That can't be accurate. Certainly he is being mocked offline as well.
They voted GOP to hurt others, then get upset they were caught in the cross fire and when looking for empathy are shunned
There a word for that /s
These are Cipolla's five fundamental laws of stupidity:
Always and inevitably, everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.
The probability that a certain person (will) be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.
Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular, non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places, and under any circumstances, to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake.
A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.
SOP. They only care when it affects them.
It's not a bug, it's a feature of their ideology.
and then when it comes time to vote again, they'll line right back up to take another beating themselves.
Hard to argue with that logic. He knew exactly what he was signing up for.
Cipolla was right. There’s nothing more dangerous than a person who burns their own house down just to see their neighbor’s house catch fire too.
Dear Horrendous Cunt. I'm not American, so I don't judge you because you "didn’t vote the same way" I did. I judge you, because you knowingly voted to place tariffs on your own business. Better yet, you dismissed everyone pointing out that this would only ever hurt you (and hurt pretty much everyone else besides, and some worse than you). Now that it is hurting you, I judge you to be terminally stupid, because everything you have done is stupid and you are stupid.
With all sincerity, go fuck yourself like you fucked your own livelihood.
don't forget the final nail in the coffin of choosing to not learn from their mistake and double down on it
99% of what I see from these people is "yeah I voted for this but I didn't think it would hurt me like this and I am showing no indication that I would do it differently next time"
What I think irks me the most is that he's acting like he's the victim of a system he knowingly helped instate. He's not the victim, he's the perpetrator. To be able to learn from his mistakes, he would have admit to making any. He will never be able to change his behavior unless he realizes this and does an actual mea culpa with a deep dark look in to the abyss he mistakes for his soul. I'm not sure he has it in him. And unfortunately he is not the only one.
Are they being mocked, or are people just pointing out the reality of the situation?
well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions
When you're delusional reality becomes your enemy.
I mean, I haven't read anything specific to this case but knowing the internet and knowing how people treat others regarding "leopards eating faces"
It's almost guaranteed they were being mocked.
Yes
I’d love to go mock him in person and watch him rage out like the little magat baby he is
to everyone in America who is suffering, I feel you you, unless they were MAGA, in which case eat shit you garbage of a human being
On one hand he voted exactly for this.
On the other hand, he is a worker that was systematically exploited to be less educated about political affairs and then exploited further by having his work taken from him.
It's shitty that people relish in the suffering of another but it only takes a room temp IQ to have realized Trump was a con man in 2016. It took even less intelligence to realize Trump was unfit to lead in 2020. Voting for him post Jan 6th? You're a fucking traitor.
This needs to be on every billboard around the country.
It doesn't take much education to know what a lying, fascist sack of shit Trump is.
With cleverer, more sneaky politicians, I might pity the man who didn't know. Not with this one. All the morons who voted for Trump knew exactly what they were doing.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. These people are both stupid and so propagandized so as to be effectively cult members, nothing will change until the propaganda sources are annihilated and their economic backers hanged, butchered, and burned to ash.
I'm always torn between accusing people of willful delusion, and sympathy for the difficulty of breaking out of a cult you're culturally incentivized towards. I genuinely think that if the 'Left' had the funding the 'Right' does, this wouldn't even be a contest. But one side is playing with a crazy big handicap, and we know from history exactly the kinda of culture that leads to. Discourage critical thinking, and you will find yourself with less and less critical thinkers around you.
On the one hand, he's a fascist. On the other hand, HE'S A FASCIST.
Well on the one hand, he IS a fascist, but on the other hand, he's ALSO a pedophile!
He's still a shitty person because he likely voted for the horrible things Trump would do.
This is the right take here. I'm sure without all the propaganda far less people would support Trump.
No. He has access to all the same information we all had. He chose not to care. Ignorance is not an excuse anymore.
Congrats!! You did it! You got what you voted for! I’m happy for you! Good job!
Sucks to suck, bud.
The stupid cock sucker will be back on his knees for trump in a nanosecond.
These subhuman pieces of pig shit fascists are like mindless drones that sporadically, for mere seconds, randomly develop consciousness before drifting back into total compliance with the brain washing.
Yup, another round of knee pad purchases from home depot incoming.
I recently watched a video (sorry don’t remember who or what title) interviewing voters in Alaska. Everyone was trying to make the point that they are independent. They voted for Trump but also policies that were more progressive. They could articulate ideas like everyone should earn enough tonest so a higher minimum wage is good. They went through a bunch of such issues where I could not and say yep. And they gave good reasons
But always came back to also voting for Trump. Even when the just had a discussion favoring policies Trump is against. I never heard any justification for it. They’re not independent, they’re brainwashed, they can’t connect the logic
American voters love Democratic, even progressive policies, but hate Democratic (and especially progressive) candidates. It's baffled me for three decades. The only thing I really come up with is that the absolutist, paternalistic, simplistic persona typical of Republican candidates encodes 'leadership' vastly more than the inclusive, empathetic persona of Democrats. As a population, we are bad at identifying leadership.
https://www.ted.com/talks/martin_gutmann_are_we_celebrating_the_wrong_leaders
They’re either racist, hold some other form of prejudice or they’re hypocrites.
They’re bad people. I’m sorry if they’re close to you but they’re bad people.
I get it, I have a relative like this. Their flaw is racism and prejudice toward LGBT+, so they support and vote for awful politicians.
I think you have pinpointed the core issue.
Right-wing republican policies and ideas lends themselves to simple (but often wrong) models of explanation; "it is the fault of the immigrants; the poor; abortion is always immoral", etc. You get candidates that radiate confident leadership spewing simple talking points they believe in.
Left-wing, especially progressive, ideas are often rooted in insight into the incomplete understanding we have of the underlying complexities. People who navigate these ideas won't be as confident: "the cause is a bit of this and a bit of that; we don't really know, but research points at" etc. To confidently sell policies based on these ideas to voters requires a level of cognitive dissonance, and also opens for criticism on being indecisive.
How can we package left-wing ideas in a way that attracts voters who are swayed by simple ideas presented with absolut confidence?
Yeah and I think I fall for this somewhat too. Here in Massachusetts we tend to be fairly progressive but tend to elect Republicans governors, because they’re more “leadership”.
Even among presidents, I didn’t hate Reagan as much because at least he was “presidential”, not embarrassing as the public face of the country, but then we had ever shrinking republicans that just looked childish and less professional each time. But democrats just don’t have any presence until Obama and biden
seems like the case with NYC, bipolar democrats while they prefer republicans at the state or city levels, because rich people wanted it that way. i live in the west coast, "blue here, but people here profess alot of conservative values, not neccesarily magata values, but conservative none the less". its prominent because alot of people are transplants from other states.
I've seen multiple write ups about Trump voters who have had their spouses abducted by ICE and deported. Almost every single one of them say they'd vote for Trump again.
Logic is beyond almost all of them.
Tinfoil hats?
"im independant" is just copium for voters like them, so they dont want to be seen as bad as voting for trump.
Is there any reason to believe that he wouldn't vote for him a 3rd time?
no, because he will if he has the opportunity
No, but democrats will pretend to believe he might if it means they get to move to the right.
Well 0 fucks given. Anyone Saying this wasn't told to them a million times doing the election are either fucking stupid and shouldn't vote, or clearly living in a fucking vacuum on Fox planet.
i had to eat notebook paper as a child, suffer beatings, and survive homelessness. pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get good, i guess?
Heartlessness for me, not for thee.
The division of agriculture labourers from city labourers might be one of the greatest and most effective psyops of all time.
schadenfreude
Lol .. except who you vote for says a lot of things about you. It tells people what your values are.
Yeah so many folks just don't seem to get it.
"I'm not racist/sexist!" Yeah well, Kyle, you sure do continue to vote for the side who enacts racist/sexist policies and says and does other racist/sexist things, now doncha?!
These people live in a bubble of willful ignorance and/or stupidity, and that bubble is reinforced.
Kyle definitely drank the Orange Kool-Aid
It's a Kool-Aid drinking cult at this point.
How can we support the people realizing their mistakes in voting Trump? Seriously. That's how we change hearts and minds.
I want to support them, and then together, I want to march with them against these assholes.
By letting their lives burn down. Seriously. They won't learn a lesson if they get bailed out now. If they keep hurting, maybe they'll vote better next time.
More likely they'll vote Libertarian, aka Diet Republican, and pretend they did something worthwhile.
Democrats fail to fix things (on purpose) while Republicans actively worsen the nation. That's our only choices until the Democratic party gets massive reform (hopefully) when the old fuckers die.
You are gonna be so shocked when those idiots lose everything, but then still vote GOP again, cause they are so much dumber than you could ever hope to understand.
Yeah, they'll probably blame left-wing liberals for what is happening right now.
They do, its the " all powerful, but super weak" rhetoric that fascism relies on
you can buy him new farm... :D
or make an esport bet!!
why does the link lead to some random tiktoker?
🤨 that's the one in the article
and what does it have to do with esport bets?
Patrihits advertises his fantasy sports gambling in his tiktok. I am making fun of the grifting.
Oh. Can't give you points for clarity, but ok then.
I think they need to actually see the consequences of their actions and understand the cause
no bail outs. no support.
Yes.
At least he can get work occupying Greenland
Serves them right. I wonder how many small businesses and farmers have gone under and how much of that business has been snatched up by large corporations.
Wheelhead got exactly what he voted for. And Republicans have the answer: grab those bootstraps.
Greed and hatred motivated them into casting the ballot, and look at what they got.
It's like dealing with spoiled children. Actions have consequences, if you don't like those consequences, pull another Jan 6th.
"he's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting"
The thing with that kind of mindset is that it doesn't propagate as within a population not driven by exceptionalism. They feel so special that they can point their fingers and rest assured they are different or would be safe, because they wouldn't commit a specific attributed mistake. Until it happens to them, but couldn't possibly happen to the rest, and again and again.
Oh you want to talk about "heartlessness"? Give me a fucking break
I will always laugh at and celebrate MAGA idiots learning the hard way
Why is he upset? Doesn't he know that this is what he voted for? He got what he wanted.
I guess he's just as surprised that Trump did what he said he was going to.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
You made your bed, now lie in it
"I've got far left leaning friends" sure pal. That has, "I have a black friend so I can't be racist" vibes. Have the day you voted for.
For your convenience: https://xcancel.com/smalls2672/status/1910996227736363477
post the 3rd follow up!
The more those metaphorical leopards eat their face, the more radicalized against Trump they might become, and the more radicalized, the better.
I know it's tempting to mock people who are leaving MAGA but actually the better thing to do is seize the opportunity to educate them and hopefully get them to never vote Republican ever again.
The worst part of owning the world's tiniest violin is having to look for it so damn often.
Seriously, bud. It's a damn shame that you voted to hurt people and ended up getting hurt yourself. I almost think it would have been better not to elect a nazi asshole.
Ain't that a fucking shame, not! The MAGA loser can piss directly into the wind.
If I could laugh harder, I would.
"I take that shit n***a, like what do you mean gimme Dat." - Sir 69 -Drumpf
If you want to defeat fascism we need solidarity across the working class.
Bullying right wingers who are suffering flies in the face of that. It only sows further division.
Yes, they were wrong, they voted for fascisn, I get the hate, but we need to find compassion for these people to get them back onboard.
Bullying them just causes them to lash out, get more entrenched, and discourage people from admitting they've been duped.
If you really so desperately need to feel superior to them that you can't hold back your righteous anger to actually make the world a better place, you're a part of the problem too.
Because they don't accept that they were wrong. They don't regret their decision because they now realise that it was wrong of them to try and push this on other people. They regret their decision because they realise that they have to suffer the consequences as well.
If a candidate came along that said that they would only punish "the wrong people" this lot would jump at them. They are not people who have learnt their lesson.
People take considerable time and effort to come to the conclusion that their entire world view was wrong. A lot of them get their need for community met by the right wing. If we on the left just ridicule and act aggressively towards people demonstrating any amount of second thoughts or doubt in their worldview, choosing to humiliate them rather than using it as an opportunity to broaden their doubts and set them on a bath to deradicalization, we are failing in our role. We are telling them to stay in their lane, because they will find no community, sympathy or compassion outside of their hateful spaces.
Because they always end all of these rants about how unfair it all is with. But I'd still vote for trump.
It's not like they are genuinely reaching out trying to be better people. They admit no fault they admit no wrongdoing they just want everybody else to make it not be happening for them. They are not little kids they don't get to pretend that their own decisions have no bearing on reality.
Again, people aren't going to magically reach that point. "Oh, I lost everything, despite following all of my values. I guess this must be the consequences of my values being wrong" is not a thing that happens in real life. It takes someone to be sympathetic and compassionate, so they feel safe to be vulnerable, so they can unlearn their negative world view.
People don't change all at once, generally. You don't go from supporting trump to disavowing imperialism over night. It's a slow, invisible process, and it can be stopped entirely or disrupted by entering a scenario where the individual feels threatened or isolated.
I am not saying we all just need to link hands and sing kum ba ya. All I'm saying is have some compassion for people who are, most likely, poorer, less well educated and got manipulated, brainwashed, and gaslighted their entire lives into supporting fascism, especially when those people are obviously suffering.
How many times will you "turn the other cheek" as they say? The first time was excusable, but those pieces of shit knew damn well what they were voting for the second time. They voted against brown people, black people, lgbt+ and those poorer than them. Now it has hurt them, but I absolutely guarentee, these piece of shit will still vote against the working class, the black community, the brown community and lgbt+.
They want those people to suffer because they see them as less than themselves. They divided the country by wanting people to suffer, not the other way around. They can die in a ditch like they wanted everyone else to for all I care.
It's not about turning the other cheek out of some high-minded idea of righteousness, this is about actually beating them.
We need to let MAGA-lite escape MAGA with some saved face if we want to defeat MAGA.
They are all of them deceived by the true enemy, the ruling class.
I share your anger but we need to realize that party politics is designed to divide the working class against itself. We need to stop doing their work for them.
I'm not a saddistic guy wanting to beat that MAGA voter... but I believe that probably Hillary "basket of deplorables" is right. They voted for ideologic reasons. Including guys wanting "the absolute explosion of system" are a problem.
But don't be emotional, be rational. Probably take a pleasure attacking this MAGA voter but it won't solve the problems.
Most republican voters just vote for who their parents voted for. Yes, there are some who are extremely radical and who will probably never abandon their ideology, but most of them do not fit that description.
It benefits the ruling class to divide the working class. That's why Hillary wants you to believe they are a "basket of deplorables". But the truth is they are just people, like us. If you were born in the same place and lived the same life as these people, most likely you would have voted Trump too.
Saying that they are incapable of realizing the error of their ways is essentially dehumanizing them, and that is what fascists do to their enemies.
In any point, you must stablish limits. Trump should be jailed. It's a fact. They voted for destroying the opposition (the democracy, the institutions).
Is it really your comrades' fault? How supportive should you really be of people who support persecuting others for no real benefit, hurting the nation out of pure xenophobia? Not to mention backing coups in other countries and potentially turning Trump into an American Napoleon.
Black Panther here:
Solidarity is a two way street.
These Nazis haven't done the essential repentance required to solidify againt the genocide they made.
They are the bullying class.
They know what they are doing is predating on all of us.
The only way a predator learns compassion is through humiliation and punishment.
It's not about moral superiority, but relearning they are nothing without the extortion they enacted on all of us.
Once they learn they are nothing, they have 2 choices: suicide or repent.
A dead predator is better than an active one sabotaging our struggle against the elite.
Now, notice @patrihits asked for selfish donations, instead of fighting his rulers. He didn't say “I am going to join antifa and end the despot!” He wants his cake and eat it too.
Until he takes the steps of repentance, he’ll continue grifting donations and gambling.
Fucking spot-on.
Firstly, what do you mean by claiming to be a black panther?
Secondly, I'm sorry, but what you've written is just not true. You can only learn compassion through example.
Do you think someone who has known only humiliation and punishment is going to spontaneously develop compassion?
Honestly though, I admit I didn't realize he was just asking for money, rather than just looking for sympathy.
There's every chance you're completely right and that he would never abandon fascism. But everything we know about deprogramming nazis shows that it takes compassion. Yelling at them feels good for us and maybe it galvanizes anti-fascist sentiment, but the far better way to do that is to speak out with one voice: "Yeah, it sucks what you're going through, I have sympathy for your situation, but the people you blame are not responsible for it, it's the rich, wealthy, powerful, imperialist ruling class."
The right wing are brainwashed into thinking a fascist violent crackdown will improve their day-to-day living conditions. We know that it won't. So when people realize "hey I'm a fascist, how come my conditions are so shit?" do you really think "LMAO GET FUCKED NAZI U DESERVE THIS LEOPARD EATING UR FACE" helps more than "you're right, you have been tricked and manipulated to believe in something contrary to your actual values"?
It means I am an anarchist. I am extremely familiar how intersection and solidarity works.
Not nazis. They learn through the language of violence, as they do not read. They think compassion is fake news, and one should stomp on enemies less they rise up.
I don't think you are aware how compassion is disciplined. If they only know those two communication skills, do you think you can teach them mercy and compassion when they never were taught? You have to start from the ground up. That is relearning they shouldn't have the means to exploit others.
The link I gave is the latest video patrihits confirms he will vote for a Führer a third time. He is unwilling to learn.
This message only works if 1) they are receptive 2) if they truly comprehend brown people, white women, and weak men are not their enemies. Most fascists do want to be “the rich, wealthy, powerful, imperialist ruling class.” And THAT IS the problem. They want to be at the top. Because they are not on the top, they beg for donations, not to free us from oppression, but to continue oppressing us. Once they learn oppression is what’s wrong, and they should not use that evil tool, then you can deconstruct the other biases they are not aware of required in compassionate work.
They were taught compassion is a means to an end. Not how we raise each other up, laterally.
We told them this, last election.
Look where it got it us.
Now they want us to donate for their mistakes, instead of owning up to it and say “Ok, I was wrong twice. What do I do?”
Patrihits, declared “I won't learn at all, and will vote for my oppressor again.” It never came to him “maybe I am in the wrong.”
Yeah, I'm an anarchist too, and I have a pretty decent understanding of the Black Panther Party, though I thought they were dissolved in the 80s. Were you active in the Black Panthers back in the day? Has it become active again? I'm genuinely very curious about what you meant and I'd appreciate more information.
What's the connection between this org and the black panthers? and when you said that you're a black panther, what part do you play in this organization?
edit: lol, I just realized on their website it says they're "veteran led"... linking this org to the black panthers in any way is a fucking insult to the black panthers
Feeding, sheltering, and antifascist praxis.
Tis why I can praxis black anarchism.
I am educated enough to know others can't be educated, thus settled on vanguardism somewhat.
There's nothing left to salvage.
Edit: in this guy's defense, he did post this in December: https://xcancel.com/smalls2672/status/2005433402485616792
But I would still never trust this guy with running a lemonade stand after what he did.
He couldn't manage a lemonade stand in the middle of a desert.
or focus on building a real and viable opposition to the democrats?
you can suck this guys dick all you want, but it wont make chuck schumer and the rest of the corporate democrats with a strangle hold on the party any less cancerous.
Absolutely we need to build resistance communities beyond electoral politics. This involves building solidarity across the working class. That includes people who have voted republican. They are not your true enemies. Your true enemies are the ruling class, i.e. billionaires and corporations.
Most republican voters are not die-hard nazis, many of them are mislead, manipulated and gaslighted their entire lives, including by their parents. You could have been one too, but by the coincidence of your birth.
I'm not saying people should go out of their way to offer sympathy and compassion, I'm just saying that kicking someone while they're down achieves nothing at all. That's their kind of tactics - bullying, harassment, etc.
By the way, you might want to remove the casual homophobia from your vocabulary, that's also pretty counterproductive towards building solidarity.
This sympathy was absent every last time the left gets blamed for the way this shithead voted.
Are you going to use the right wing and centrists acting like shitheads as an excuse to behave that way yourself?
Are you ever going to show any sympathy at all for the left?
They're actually willing to vote with you if the party ever listens to them. This guy never will.
The party will never listen to them, that's the entire point behind my whole argument. Voting isn't going to get us out of this mess. We need to organize the working class, build solidarity, and build a people-powered movement to abolish capitalism.
Oh. NOW I get it. You want something even less likely than democrats listening to the left.
Except progressives. We should do whatever it takes to appeal to ignorant toothless hayseed bigots instead so we never have to think about moving to the left.
Can you stop assuming you already know that I'm wrong for a moment to honestly consider my position on it's own terms?
I'm not saying we should soften our position politically, or walk back from our values, to be more appealing to them.
What I'm saying is that mercilessly dunking on conservatives for our own amusement is counter-productive. It calcifies their beliefs and drives them further to the right. We should, instead, take the opportunity to show them a moment of human empathy so that we can widen their perspectives. Or, at the very least, quietly enjoy the schadenfreude, without feeling the need to get a needless "told ya so" moment.
Democrats have spent decades coddling these dickheads while being openly hostile to their own left flank, and you're saying they haven't done that enough.
I'm explicitly not saying that. Please re-read my comment and try again.
Yes, the poor innocent trump voters deserve an umpteenth chance and fuck the left. Again.
I am further left than you are. I am advocating from a leftist position. I'm not saying to give anyone any kind of chance, all I'm saying is that acting hatefully towards hateful people will only makes them more extreme in their positions.
As leftists, we need to choose an alternative to hate if we want to defeat it.
Get the center to quit acting hatefully to the left first then.
All I can say to that small business owner is that they clearly are starting to come a loooooooooooong long way. https://redsails.org/
I know y’all disagree with me but I think the schadenfraude that the left is what caused the MAGA branch of the right to begin with and we’re only making it worse.
I suspect we could sway a lot of voters by having real conversations about it rather than making fun of them.
The time for conversation is past. These people have supported and continue to support MAGA, and even put MAGA back in power. They wanted to hurt others, and they got caught in the crossfire. They worked really hard for this, they EARNED it, and they DESERVE the rewards.
And worse, if you asked this guy if he had the choice between Trump and Harris in 2028, he'd STILL vote for Trump, saying "You can't seriously expect me to vote for her, can you?"
Fuck him, he got what he voted for multiple times.
I suspect democrats will listen to anyone before progressives.
Don't care. Fuck them all.
Typically the only way to change someone's mind is in-group pressure. I'm not this guy's in group. Nothing I say to him is going to make a difference. I'm not in a position to spend weeks or months working my way into his friend group so I can convince him to be a better, smarter, person.
Conversations IRL, sure. But online space isn't for that. One could easily make 1000 bot accounts "just asking questions" and create the false impression to bystanders that "both sides are the same". That rherotic needs to be shutdown quickly or it becomes a nazi bar.
IRL, its where you can have genuine conversations because there's that human connection of being face to face. Bernie did that, he went to a maga stronghold and managed to convert some magats. They said that "he seemed like a nice guy" and "different how TV portrays him", so I think online space is gonna have that same disconnect, because of the lack of face to face connection.
in general, this is the better sentiment; however, the issue still remains that extremists can't be reasoned with. once they cross a certain threshold, they lack the willpower to truly have a conversation. they only want to have their way. it becomes a feedback loop. they force those around them to adopt the same cynicism. it isn't healthy, but still, they can't be reasoned with. it's not for wont of people having tried for years now.
No, it was the racism. I've tried having "real conversations" with these types. You just get shouted at by people who watch Fox News 24/7. A 5 minute conversation once in a while will not out weight hours and hours of being told it's the "illegals" and homeless that are causing all the problems and the Democrats don't do anything about it. This has been my experience going back to 9/11. They don't want to hear from you and they will infantilize you for disagreeing with them.
I'm also not exaggerating about the 24/7 thing. My mother leaves Fox News on for the dog to watch when she's not home. She then has some rightwing rag taking to her in her BT hearing aids when she's not in the house.
Also, I'm not "making fun of them". Nothing about this is fun. I'm just angry and depressed all the time. I've been watching this country slide down this path for over 20 years and been dismissed every time.
Too many Dems are still believing the Michelle Obama Doctrine: "When they go low, we go high."
The Dem leadership, and many Dems as well, are OBSESSED with being polite to MAGA. They think that somehow showing kindness to people who literally want to murder vast democratic swathes is going to persuade them to be civilized, despite years of evidence to the contrary.
They're using the most vicious propaganda, and the Dems have people who are constantly chiding the rest of us when ever we say anything provocative. When I found out that the ICE Killer's wife was an immigrant, I mentioned that if he's going to clean out immigrants with lethal force, maybe he should start at home, and deport his wife and whatever anchor baby kids they have. And while we're at it, deport Melania, and Trump's four anchor babies.
I don't really believe that, obviously, I'm totally against the Trump Immigration Policies, but I got jumped on about perpetrating their crimes, etc. Nonsense. It was sarcasm and irony.
We won't conquer MAGA with kindness, they are vicious hyenas. We can imprison the worst of them, but the rest we are just going to have to chase off into the dark, and deal with them when they poke their ugly little heads back up. The trick is we actually have to DEAL WITH THEM, and not ignore them, the way polite Dems did when they started getting nasty back in 1994.
Fuck universalism and the high road rhetoric bullshit. That’s how these fuckers got handed the bag on the first god damned place. These people are hateful trash and not a one of them has any chance of learning nor growing or they’d have gotten there by this fucking point. At best they respond to the consequences of their actions, but only in regards to themselves and not for anyone else’s sake, I don’t give any of them credit for learning or growing.
So the right gets to be as evil and demonic as they want but we have to be nice to them or else
My bad, I was actually responding to the wrong thread, I agree with you.
Can I blame them for me being a leftist, then? Why do they hold no blame for their own fucking thoughts and actions? Are they no more responsible for themselves and their actions than a god damned toddler? Fuck all of that. You’re wrong.
My bad, I got confused on who I was responding too, I actually agree with you.
My bad, sorry for the flak.
Yep, no worries, it was understandable 😂
Talking to Magats does not mean pivoting towards the right. Its about having a real conversation about the issues, face to face.
Example: Bernie visits deep trump country, manages to convince some trumpers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP8Oxe6OxJc
It means you're already treating them better than the left.
Sure. Good luck with that.
I get what you're saying, but we started with warnings, "hey, this horrible person is fucking horrible" and they still voted for trump to "own the libs". At this point he is accelerating the downfall, what else are we to do? "We told you he was going to be horrible for everything, you voted for someone who actively wants to remove my existence, he was horrible for everything the first time around, but that's ok, now that its affecting you personally everything is ok?"
I don't have schadenfreude about any of this. That is not the correct word. I get no joy or laughter from any of this shit.
people tried doing it the reasonable way. it didn't work.
so what's left?
also, what that guy said about in-groups — that's valid. I'll do everything I can to have reasonable conversations with people in person, especially those that I know, but online with random people? mock the fuck out of them.