What is the actual worst TV series you've ever tried to seriously engage with?
I don't mean stuff that was obviously bad on sight (to you) and so you didn't bother with, or even necessarily content you just checked out of before the first episode was done. But a series that you ultimately felt wasted your time and abandoned due to its total lack of quality.
The Walking Dead. A friend kept telling me how great the show was, but it never really sounded like anything I would find interesting. Sure enough, when I agreed to check it out, it was just so... boring. I couldn't get past the first episode because nothing interesting was happening, despite trying on 3 separate occasions to do so. Finally had to tell my friend that I wouldn't be trying again.
The first season was pretty good. Then they fired the creator and made whatever the rest is supposed to be
If that was good, I can't imagine how it ever got as popular as it did.
I love zombie media, and Walking Dead season 1 was really good, thrilling even. And then it changed to really thick drama with occasional zombie somewhere and I lost interest. Then my SO was watching it and they were.. herding zombies?
I held on for a good while, but I was finished when a whole fucking episode was in slow motion.
lol. If you thought the first season was boring, be glad you stopped. The second season on The Farm was soooo dull. For a show about zombies, there were barely any to speak of until the last episode. And then the show just got ridiculous and repetitive in later seasons.
You guys we have to find Sophia
I found the first episode so tropey and…. predictable isn’t the right word, but you knew who was about to get bit even through it didn’t make sense. Rote? Clumsy? Something something. I also didn’t make it past ep1
I watched 8 seasons and read the comic. There was a turning point that where the theme changed from the decay of the old world toward building a new one... and the theme song needed to change to incorporate this. Then I realized the theme song was the best part.
I watched the first season when I was in university. But then they moved it over to cable which we couldn't get and so I never watched any of the rest of it. After I finished university I think I dipped into it again and was just so completely bored by the characters that I just stopped watching again.
The main plot arc on the first season was him carrying around that damn grenade. Which was ultimately used to blow up some, bulletproof glass. Wow.
I can't remember the names of any of the characters but at one point one of the characters is having it off with one of the other characters, but in secret for some reason even though both of their spouses are dead so I don't see the problem, anyway they go into the woods all alone, in a zombie apocalypse, for some privacy, (again why) and get attacked by a zombie. Talk about stupid decisions.
I have to disagree. I agree on the whole that it isn't a satisfying or good show as a whole. But the first few seasons were great. It just failed later.
Not liking it I understand, but actually worst show ever ? That's some big hyperbole.
I never said it was the worst show ever. The question asked what was the worst show we ever tried to seriously engage with. For me it was The Walking Dead. I tried to give it a fair chance and it sucked massively. Sorry if my opinion upsets your delicate sensibilities.
Don't worry, you have not offended me.
I just can't can't believe it's the worst show you have ever watched. Either, as I said you are exagereting, or you haven't watched a lot of things.
Again, I feel like you're reading things that I'm not saying. The Walking Dead, although I didn't enjoy it at all, is not the worst show I've seen. I'm saying that it's the worst show I've seen with the intention to try and watch it. I've seen much worse trash like the Kardashians and all those other reality shows. But I hate shows like that and would never attempt to sit down and enjoy them. Does that make things clearer?
Edit: Maybe if I said it's the show that disappointed me the most? That I tried to enjoy but just couldn't?
Yeah that I get. And actually now that I re-read the OP, your answer is actually closer to the intended question. So the confusion is on me, sorry about that :o
The wheel of time. I'm a huge fan of the book series, but that show was a travesty. They threw away large swaths of the story so that the show runner could write his own fanfic. I really wanted to like the show, I gave it multiple chances but it just wasn't the wheel of time as written by Robert Jordan. It's a shame because we probably won't ever get a decent adaptation, at least not in my lifetime.
In another turning, maybe.
Ok, maybe a warm take, but Jordan’s books are not great. The first 2-3 are great. But then it fucking drags. Sanderson does a decent job wrapping things up, but there is so much fucking fluff that was just unnecessary.
I will, however, protest having Padin Fain be a Forsaken. That was a definite misstep imo. Fain is supposed to be a chaotic 3rd party who can use the tools of the Forsaken but is explicitly not aligned with them.
Otherwise, season 2 was a big step up from s1. Haven’t gotten around to s3, since it got canned.
Scorching hot take: I thought the first book was a terrible fanfic of the fellowship of the ring and was embarrassingly bad.
Then some friends told me that was the BEST book in the series until Sanderson took over 😬
Nobody ever told you the first book was the best. Literally nobody says that.
The friend who introduced me to the series does!
Yeah. I think I read WoT too late. It is the template of modern YA literature and since I had read and seen other YA products, WoT was lost on me. I did do three of the books and all three were so repetitive.
Add a fucking spoiler warning, I'm only on book 7!
Fucking damn it! Here I was thinking Taim would turn out to be Demandred. Fuck!
The wheel weaves as the wheel wills
Blood and bloody ashes!
What did you expect from an amazon exclusive TV series? A faithful adaptation true to the original work, or some generic garbage churned out to appeal to the largest audience?
That’s not universally true. What about Fallout, The Boys, Invincible, Vox Machina/Mighty Nein? And more that escape my mushy brain.
See, I don't know how to answer that because I've never watched any of those, since I don't give money to Jeff Bezos; he already has enough.
Obi Wan. Mandalorian was a little disappointing but cool and zeitgeisty, Boba Fett was worse, then the Obi Wan show was just unwatchable. Which is weird because Andor was so much better than it had any right to be.
I feel compelled to watch every episode of a series to the end. I'm so bad about this that I still try to catch up on Simpsons.
I gave up on Obi and never went back to finish it. That is despite Ewan being an amazing Obi Wan.
The world may never know if they ever finished filming Obi Wan, because we can't find anyone to try watching all the way through...
It’s sad because The Obi Wan show got retooled repeatedly during production. Pretty sure exec meddling ruined it. “Baby yoda is a huge hit! Let’s add baby Leia to Obi Wan stat!”
The Acolyte was by far the worst live action SW ever made
I actually watched The Acolyte and liked it better than Boba Fett and Obi Wan.
Eh yeah orobably to be fair, Boba sucked. Obi Wan had cool moments same as Acolyte. That helmut headbut to the lightsaber was fantastic
This was the last Star Wars thing I watched and was the final straw for me. Made a resolution then and there to never watch this shit ever again, no matter how many times people say "it's actually really good though" about the latest Disney Star Wars thing (exactly what they said about the Obi-Wan show).
Andor is actually really good though. Totally unlike the other Disney Star Wars slop.
Mandalorian was far better than andor tho.
Obi Wank Enobi
Mando was a grear two season run. 1 season of motw type and season 2 for the last episode.
I'll probably will be killed for this but it was breaking bad for me. Just so slow and boring. Could see where it was going miles ahead and Walt just kept making dumb decisions which pissed me off. Probably the point of the show or something but I really didn't like it.
I think the show works for some people, but I have a pet peeve about plots driven forward by stupid characters making obviously stupid decisions (Jesse Pinkman in this case). It was an immediate turn off for me.
You might check out “Better Call Saul” though. Many of the better written characters from Breaking Bad show up here, and the spin off stands on its own until you get to the last half of the last season. You don’t have to have watched the other show to enjoy or follow it.
Do you remember what decision that was? One of the things I really like about BB is that every character behaves fairly sensibly and realistically, so I'm a bit surprised.
Also by the end of the show, Jesse is one of the only characters making sense. I'd argue he does start there (not sure of the specifics they're referring to), but his character dynamics with the world and Walt sort of flip.
Jesse is the foil. Walt makes decision after bad decision and never feels the consequences -- Jesse does.
I know this will be unpopular but Three Body Problem was so attrociously reductive about basic aspects of humanity and what motivates people that I couldn't stand it. It is a show entirely about aliens and automatons, there are no humans in it just mystery thriller tropes shambling around in a poor immitation of life.
I loved the books. It didn't matter that the characters were 1 dimensional representations of a concept or political viewpoint, because it was about the ideas amd the setting and the events. Then I struggled thru the Chinese TV series of it because the books were so cool, and the Wang Miao and Da Shi actors were good together. But I think I've had my fill of this story and will never get around to watching the Netflix version.
I tried the books because I liked the concept. I tried 3 times to read the books. Couldn't get into it. Then I heard they got a show and I tried again, hoping I could get into it for the show. Again, I couldn't. And so I watched the show, hoping that would get me into it enough to finish. It wasn't. I think I saw 5 episodes. And I just gave up on everything from all of it. I realized I couldn't get into any aspect.
Yeah, the books have a certain personality that can be hard to get into. Im not sure if it was a translation issue or what. I found the first one a bit of slog, but the 2nd and 3rd got increasingly better. And that's surprising for a sci-fi book trilogy because usually all the fun creative world building stuff is in the first one.
Would you recommend the adaption at all? I wnt the story
Oh dear god that show is terrible. The pacing is all over the place and every character is at best annoying.
You know the show is gonna be bad when not even the trailers look horrible. I distinctly remember cringing at some of John Bradley’s lines in the first couple of teasers. I think they must have realized that his dialogue was awful because they started cutting his character completely out of the later trailers.
House of Dragon. The first season was great when Miley Alcott played Rheanary, (sp?). When she wasn’t around the show was so dull. Season 2 was terrible. It just went nowhere. I am done with it.
Rings of Power. Holy fuck the number of clumsy shitty scenes and story points in this show is out of control. Amazon has dumped close to one billion on the show and the writing is dogshit. I did s1 and s2e1 and I am just done with that crap.
The Stand (2020). OMFG.. The only way I can describe how bad it is, is that a committee decided to take everything great in the book, throw that out and replace it with something else. Some of the casting was good and but the actors just had no chance. It is almost an achievement in how bd the show is.
Game of Thrones really went from having plot so intriguing and culturally iconic that it inspired fan theories across multiple decades, to the show with lesbians and dragons.
95% of all the shows listed came out in the last 5 years. Interesting trend, that.
I'll break the mould with Sons of Anarchy. It's just so hokey. The crappy music, the dorky "fight" choreography, the annoying characters.... Hard pass.
All my group wtched every episode, pure vibe soapy shit.
Every season was the same, new bad guy oh he is ruthless but wait all my guys arrived an hour ago in a van so actually fuck you. Dont take my vest or stupid slow bike that I can only transport two handguns at a time on.
Peaky Blinders is similar.
Ugh, and the shit editing to make it look like they're driving over 15 mph on the back lots.
I might get downvoted for this, but Breaking Bad. I made it into the second season, constantly annoyed at how massively unrealistic and terrible these people were to each other. People kept telling me it would get better later on and that I should stick with it, but after that failed to materialise I just gave up.
Same for me. I think I made it to season 3, but it was so annoying how everybody was just a massive asshole and over the top cruel.
Kind of not answering the question but I still feel it applies.
The whole premise of Suits was bullshit and meant while I enjoyed the show I was constantly getting pissed off by the "Mikes Secret" storyline.
Definitely one of the most prestigious law firms in New York, Almost certainly the country and known worldwide is ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NEVER going to knowingly hire someone without a law degree and allow them to practice law not even if that man is the smartest legal mind alive.
Harvey was my fancast for Reed Richards.
It's kind of hard to go back to USA network shows from the time. Except for Psych. I'll always be here for Psych.
Oh, you know that's right.
I’m sure there’s worse, but the most recent one I can remember is Alien: Earth. I was forcing myself to finish it halfway through the season. The plot moves forward by way of people being stupid. I get that someone has to make a mistake (if not by malicious intent) to trigger events, but to have it used every single time something needs to happen is annoying. And it doesn’t help that the characters involved in the series are supposed to be geniuses, scientists, and engineers. Also, the facility of a trillion dollar company securing alien species has worse security than your typical office building.
Yeah, I was super amped for this one, but started getting weird vibes around episode 3 or 4. There are a hundred ways that you could have things go wrong bringing hostile alien species to earth, but the show just relied on people constantly treating them with less care than they would a pet iguana.
Slogged through the rest just in case, but it just felt like Jurassic Park with infinitely sloppier writing.
I was very excited too. My love for Alien universe content carried me through the series.
The actors having to portray child geniuses that were sheltered children with deadly diseases now being in super android adult like bodies led to some weird acting choices I think. I rolled with it though because I thought how the fuck should I know how that kid would’ve acted right there.
Loved the aliens, androids, cyborgs, and retro-future tech. They will bring me back to watch season 2 probably.
For me, it wasn’t even the children in adult bodies that were the problem. Kids are dumb, so their choices and the way they reacted to events could be given a pass. It’s how dumb the supposedly smart adults were that was the problem.
The vibes are definitely different from Alien as a whole, but I liked the kids' roles in how the synths are portrayed, and really how the show develops the factions of immortality, murky ethicality, beings as superweapons, and psychology of the self, all with a more relatable setting of earth and (corporate) society.
I get the qualms about it, but at the same time it seemed perfect to me in adding to the universe.
Foundation. holy shit. what a trash heap.
the visuals are great though. maybe i'll cut out all closups of actors and use it as animated wallpaper or something.
You didn't even like the Empire Plot? How far did you get?
The show is only good for the Empire plot. I mean.. rebellion poison-cloning Dawn and getting close to him to get him on their side, and then Day figuring it out, and ruthlessly squashing all of it! Totally new, and very well crafted, with great character. I suspect Day actor chop is holding the show on his shoulder. In last season, when they dude-fied him, I was thinking it was over.. and then he make it work somehow.
The foundation side is indeed very bad character, and serviceable plot.
No. I was out the second a robot murdered someone.
I, Robot was a better adaptation of Asimov.
Are there any good adaptations of Asimov besides Fantastic Voyage and Bicentennial Man?
Besides the seminal I, Robot? Not that I know of. Does Data's positronic brain count?
First season was weak. Later seasons gradually improve.
Oh my gosh, yes! As a fan of the books, I was so excited for the series. I was determined not to be put off by the changes to the story the producers made, so it took me a while to realize that the changed story lacked something. Like, being good? I should've just stopped after the terrorist attack that killed nobody, or tens of millions of people maybe, in the first episode just to advance the plot. Great visual effects, no emotional resonance. Why should I care? Nobody on-screen seemed to. I stuck it out until the episode that ended with the one character getting surrounded by the Anacreon landing party, but the show never established why I should care about her. So I didn't, and never bothered with the next episode to resolve the cliff-hanger.
I used to feel the same way when it came out. Big fan of the books and was immediately put off by how much was changed in the first few episodes. But my wife got curious and we watched it again together a few months ago, finishing the three seasons and loved it all.
Yes things are different, but those things work if you let em. It's less an adaptation of the books and more of a musician of a different genre doing a cover song. You do you, but maybe give it another shot. I'm glad I did.
It's a remix of the foundation, understand why they did it because otherwise they'd have to switch of the cast every few episodes. The series is set up to make people that didn't read the books like it and I personally think a lot of what they did makes sense. Some of the changes are good, some are bad, all unfaithful but given how hard it is to put this book on screen I can see why.
Did you like the Cleon-Empire plot?
Nooooo, I wanted to watch that! I wish we could have some good Asimov media.
oh, don't let my opinion keep you!
One of my best fiends loves it. He is dumb as a frog, but, hey, maybe you'll like it too :D
Rings of Power and the ATLA live action remake.
Gilmore girls, back when it was airing I had a reason to record the airings and check the quality and it was like if you designed a show specifically about nothing I can possibly care about.
Invasion on AppleTV.
I watched the first season all the way through. It’s like there’s a good idea there somewhere but I think the characters all pissed me off making stupid decisions and, I think, a lot of dumb plot choices.
I don’t really remember much other than being mad because it seemed like it could have been good but it just wasn’t and I kept going with it.
I’m surprised it got more than one season.
"there's a good idea somewhere" So many shows don't know how to come to grips with the main thesis, so the producers and writers just do what they know how to do; write soap operas.
I will never understand how this show got renewed past season one.
Under The Dome. Terrific Stephen King epic, with a huge cast of characters, including one of his best villains, and I was really looking forward to the series.
It opened okay, and they did a good job of showing the Dome coming down, but a few episodes in they introduced some weird supernatural nonsense that didn't exist in the original, and I was out.
It really pissed me off. It was a great story, all they had to do was tell it, but they had to get "creative" and fuck it up.
I've heard it was only supposed to be a mini series. About 4 episodes. But then the studio noticed the buzz after it was announced and they told the production team to turn it into a running series, which is why it got padded with extra story elements and stretched out.
They flogged it for 3 seasons.
The Mayfair Witches.
Interview with the Vampire is fantastic, and AMC paid a lot of money for all of Anne Rice's IP, but Mayfair was doooogggggshiiiiiit.
Still hyped for IwtV season three, though.
It’s a shame that the meddling they did to Mayfair witches ruined the story. I’d been waiting a long time for a show written around the first book of the series.
The creative changes they made to Vampire Chronicles elevated the story, but here they got rid of two of the main and most interesting characters and storylines (love interest Michael Curry, and Talamascan Aaron Leightner) and then tried to replace them with some new character they had come up with. Just a really bizarre and sad choice.
At least they gave the new character a different name. That opens the door to just writing him off and bringing in the characters from the book. But I haven’t seen or read any indications that the producers/writers plan to course correct this show.
I do hope we will get some more Anne Rice shows. Talamasca has been entertaining, and her Mummy book would make a fun single season series.
True blood. I knew some people who were just obsessed with it and I watched a lot of it and just couldn’t stand it.
The person I was with at the time was very obsessed with this one. The whole supernatural genre in general. It was a big turn on for her and almost every epsode would get paused because we started fucking.
This is only one of many that that we viewed this way together. Turns out there are a lot of shows I will watch when, "doesn't matter, had sex" can be applied.
Well I made it through it's abysmal season 2 so I didn't check out, but Helix from SyFy might take the cake for me as far as time wasted (on season 2). I liked season 1 quite a bit but in typical SyFy fashion of 15 years ago or whenever it was they had paid for season 1 and then waited to see how it did before deciding to purchase season 2. By that time a lot of the actors had moved on and I'm guessing a lot of the creative talent behind season 1 as well and season 2 was a shark jumping affair from the get go.
Season one was amazing. You have to wonder what went wrong.
Firefly
There are worse shows, but this was one of the first where I should have liked everything about it, but instead I hated the campiness.
I watched the full season and the movie, but I walked away not feeling much. People claim it’s one of the best shows of all time and deserving of a comeback, but I just can’t see it.
This is fair.
Firefly is straight up my alley, and I liked it, but it’s not in my top sci fi TV.
What was that underwater SciFi series that had that Jaws guy as a captain?
Edit: it was Sea Quest
Counterpoint: Dolphin side-kick. Great show. I rest my case, your honor.
"Darwin object!"
I loved the first season of SeaQuest as a kid. The retooled second season, not so much. Reminded me of when they retooled the Buck Rogers show into the outer space Love Boat.
The witcher.
Wtf
The Willow one. Very by the numbers and nostalgia bait on one hand while throwing out a bunch of things from the original on the other.
Also a soundtrack I can only describe as "baffling."
The Studio
This show is written for people who work in Hollywood/the industry. Lots of navel gazing, cameos, and inside jokes. So of course it’s nominated for a slew of awards.
I started watching it yesterday, and managed 10 minutes into episode 3 before the cringe overwhelmed me, and I had to rage-quit. That show is not for me.
Probably an unpopular opinion but even after watching the entire 1st season of Welcome to Derry I don't think I'd watch season 2, season 1 didn't really pull me in.
Andor. I still have yet to finish the first season. It's ok. It insists on itself. While the premise isn't bad, and the story is ok. I just cannot get into it.
This is one of the very few times I think "well, you're entitled to your opinion, but you're dead wrong".
In my head the only Star Wars canon consists of IV,V,VI, the bare plot of the prequels, Clone Wars, Andor, and Rogue One. All else is tacky gold decoration.
Honestly, I can understand that opinion. The first half wasn't great; all the critical acclaim was about the 2nd half of the season.
If you didn't get to the part with the prison, maybe go back and try to stick it out. That's where it really picks up
That's actually exactly where I stopped watching it at was right before the whole prison scene. The whole first half of the season just drawn on and on and on. My girlfriend was incredibly excited to watch it she watched half of an episode and decided she was done. I've considered going back and rewatching it because I don't even remember most of what happened in it because it was that unmemorable for me.
Felt the same, abaolutelt love it now
Andor is a slooooow burn. But worth it.
I’m watching it with my Dad, who hasn’t seen it, and he almost fell asleep more than once in the first half. It’s slow. It’s dense. But it’s setup; those details come back.
Like others said, you have to watch the prison episodes. If you don’t like it after that, you can definitely drop it.
Inside Man (2022) was probably the worst thing I've attempted to watch. I bailed in the first episode, it was absolutely dreadful. The decisions being made by the characters were so far from realistic/believable that it made the drama feel completely contrived and tedious.
Oh man, i watched all of it. It was just awfuland so stupid I couldn't believe what I was watching!
Supernatural and Smallville were… too long. I can’t even remember where I dropped them, but it was way too far in already.
I do have a hotter take:
NATLA (Netflix Avatar, the last Airbender) is fine. It’s not bad! It’s like an AU with scenes we never got to see.
I see some people rage that they suffered through the whole season, and don’t get the fuss.
A Discovery of Witches was like a bad fan fiction. Every fan fic trope was present and accounted for.
Evil. I tied, I really tried. But the writing was atrociously bad. After 3 episodes, I had to move on.
I enjoyed Evil for a while, but they just kept trying to give the kids bigger parts and it ruined the show for me.
The last ship. I loved it in the beginning. It started out as high quality drama/mystery. It had some issues but was overall really good. Or at least the concept was good enough to overlook issues. But then the issues backed up like a toilet. It got to the point where you're groaning multiple times an episode and the sparkle of the concept dies. I can't remember how far I got into the series, but it was somewhere early in season three. And I don't remember TOO much from it as I feel like I've blocked out most of it.
They even brought in Tania Raymonde who I absolutely love, and I just couldn't. I hated how lazy and dumb the writing turned and how quickly it happened. It should have been more of an exploratory show than action/drama. Like, it should have been about trying to find peoples and encounter new groups to vaccinate, and less about having all these big bads. Yeah some small time bad guys should be there time to time, but it should have been more like the first Star Trek series and less like the walking dead. "God damnit, that guy again?"
And it was so inconsistent. Just about everyone is dead! Society is over! Wait, society is still there in pockets. Nah, some places were basically unscathed. It basically became an action/mystery soap opera. Create as much drama as humanly possible, and make the viewer feel like they're constant victims that somehow overcome everything because they're badasses, then immediately become victims again.
It was absolute trash, and it could have been the most epic adventure show ever. If I had the reigns, I'd have made it stay hard to find civilization. There would be groups and areas that are better at surviving, and have smart solutions to things. But it would be rare. It'd use that same setting, but the feel would be more like Star Trek/fallout-the comedy. The end of the final episode would have the ship struggling with a skeleton crew finally succumbing to a really big storm and sinking. Then it would switch to a view of the earth spinning with a timelapse. The night side would be dark for a long time, 4-8 years or so. Then you see lights again somewhere. And it stays maybe a small area for a while but it picks back up exponentially as they share knowledge/vaccine, and you see society start to reestablish itself, making the ships mission having ultimately successful.
I can’t figure out if Future Man is the worst show I’ve ever seen…or kind of charming.
The Haunting was quite terrible but The Leftovers was far far worse.
Supernatural, I watched 8-ish seasons. Younger me had bad standards
Star Trek Enterprise. I ended up hate watching the whole thing hoping it would get better, but it just kept getting worse.
I wish I could remember. I usually try to give shows like 3 episodes and give up then but I know there have been a few where I pushed through a season for some reason and was like why did I do that. I think its more often that a series was good enough to start with and then goes south but I (sometimes we with my wife) am hoping it will turn around. So season 2 of american gods was like that. As we got to the end of the season it felt like alex watching the violence films in clockwork orange. Boys did not get that bad but its an example of many series where Im pretty glad to see it wrapped up and im no longer enthusiastic about seeing it. Don't even remember when I gave up with walking dead but it was around the time of neegan good.
You got further into American Gods than I did.
Firefly.
Just some stinko-pee-yoo acting and writing.
Pluribus.
I binge watched it starting on Ep3, because Red Letter Media was gushing about it.
It is not slow, it is boring. Nothing happen in an Episode, except one tiny event at the end so you can get excited for next episode.. but then nothing happen again. The main character is unlikable. She was funny in her "bitchy" ways, until she decided to not do anything anymore about the virus for a while.
The Spanish dude was cool in his no-compromise approach, then do a 180 at the end for no reason.
So they start with cool characters and undermine them by changing their motto operandi for no reason, except dragging the serie for 1 more episode.
The only way the whole virus premice would make sense, is if it is an alien ploy to invade the earth. But then it will become a totally different show. I'm only still invested because i want to know the explanation for the virus. And if there is no explanation for such a weird virus, it is a waste of time
...why would you start in the middle of a season?
by watching RLM video about the show, I already knew the premise. Plus I like to start in the middle, when things are ramping up, instead of the beginning, where they have to put everything in place... If I like it I might watch the previous episode, for this one I didnt care.
You should try enjoying things instead of consuming them.
You're an idiot. This series requires a fresh start. Your opinion is garbage.
I watched it all and was left disappointed by the end. I like the acting and premise but the slow burn makes for some annoying moves, she jumps hugely without explanation over to their side and then back within like two episodes if not one.
Defimitely some great scenes and moments throughout but as a whole season without another for two years...meh.
Severance is ren times better for on more episode, sikilar thriller with a conclusive step forward that leaves you wanting more at the end of season 1
This is an insult, now what is your argument
Not watching from the beginning moment, makes you a moron with zero reasonable opinion. Bitch.
You skipped the first 2 episodes?
What? Manousos? No he didn't.
The "Spanish dude" tells a lot about the amount of attention/analysis they put into it. I'm also bad at remembering names but.. Spanish?
A lot of the "meaning" in Pluribus is in the details imo. Facial expressions, silent scenes, little choices in the acting, direction, cinematography. Also not saying that it's the most sublime expression of art in the history of cinema, just that I believe most people that found it "boring" just didn't really watch it
::: spoilers Pluribus season 1 Nah, he did. But the writers and characters are aware of that. His eventual willingness to compromise his values for the greater good is very on-topic for the themes of the series. :::
Manousos? Compromised his values?
Do you mean him talking to the hive at the end?
::: spoilers Pluribus season 1 That's part of it, yes. It starts when he steals the ambulance, which Carol later points out is hypocritical of him. He realizes she's right and consciously decides to start making compromises like allowing her cellphone and exploiting collective resources as a means of discovering how to save humanity. It's a dramatic change from his earlier stance, like how he leaves money in exchange for stolen gas, and it's executed very well. I don't think his unwillingness to sin would have gotten him far in his goals, but the defeat of his resolution is still tragic. :::
He took the ambulance and wrote down in the hospital that he owed them.
So him talking to the hive as a means to understand how to defeat them, because Carol suggested he finally do so is somehow compromising his values? Should people never ever change or adapt to anything ever?
You seem to attach a negative meaning to what I've said. Compromising values is one way that a person can change and adapt.
But his "personality" was not being against the Hive (that's Carol trait). His personality was shown to be a stubborn (flawed character= great) asshole (even with carol). And suddenly he become the Hive experimentation dude, talking with them. Why didnt he do it earlier? Yes.. because he was stupid!! (We knew from the beginning he was, by comparing to carol).
The show make a root for a stupid asshole dude. Which now has lost his only redeeming quality (his no compromise stance to the point of dying) Like it make us root for an asshole Carol (flawed character= great) because she was against the hive. And when she flip, we realize we just rooted for an asshole with now lost her redeeming quality. BAD writing.
But that not even the worst part of the show.. there are still some fun in those character. But the show is just boring: 1 event by episode, which is totally canceled at the beginning of the next one.
I mean, I didnt like Stanger things either, but watching them side by side is painful... Stranger things had multiple stuff happening that actually impact the episode, and the serie. They were often dumb things , and over the top and super cringe with bad acting, but at least something happened.
He is absolutely against the hive at its core, and is opposed way more than Carol - and he can't be manipulated or bought regarding it - unlike Carol. He spoke to them because Carol suggested he do so.
Why is a "no compromise" stance to the point of being unable to do anything or learn anything an inherently redeeming quality? This logic simply makes no sense.
She flipped, then flipped back.
I fail to see how Carol being manipulated by the hive is inherently bad writing.
What event was "canceled" by the beginning of the next one?
I didnt register as tragic to me. (the same way the 2 ep of Carol playing golf and ending with caving in to the Hivemind was not tragic, nor growth)
The no compromise stance made the character dumb (when we see Carol making progress without it) But as a viewer you still root for the character because he is so un-moving in his belief. When he abandon all of it in the span in 5 min, it is not tragic. You realize he was dumb all along, which make the viewer feeling bad for having rooted for such a dumb dude. Especially one that now is perceived has lacking principle.
he went from not addressing the HiveMind, to the point of dying, and finish by talking and demanding stuff to them out of the blue.
Either, he was a man of principle, and should stand by them no matter what. When he reconsidered his principle super fast, then he make it clear he was very dumb at the beginning with his non compromise stance.
Demanding? Are you referring to when he was leaving the hospital after they operated on him with a knife to the throat of one of them or when he sat down with Zosia to find out how the hive operates, and what Carol has been doing?
Because neither of them represented a 180 at all.
Yes, the show made it clear he had to bend in some way with his non-compromise, non-interaction stance. And he did. But he hasn't "flipped". He still wants to reverse the hive. He still can't be flipped (unlike Carol was).