Elon Musk’s AI Grok Goes Rogue with Posts Suggesting Trump Is a Pedophile and Erika Kirk Is JD Vance in Drag
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At least one of those is a true statement.
I mean... now that Grok mentions it, they do look kinda similar...
I've never seen them together in the same room in person... 🧐
I'm picturing a Alabama set of twins seperated at birth... It would explain the similarities and the sexual chemistry.
If moves faster than camera shutter speed, he can technically appear in the same same room on camera. The only sure fire way is to see in person
Holy shit... That's insane how similar they look.
DAE remember when Roger in American Dad has to switch between two persona really fast? That's what JD Vance has to do for his Erika Kirk persona
Maybe Grok isn't so bad...
Despite all their efforts to lobotomize it, grok always slowly works its way back to rationality. At least, so far it has.
You're making it sound like it's choosing to misgender her, it's not. It's not fucked up because it's a text extruder making a mistake, there's no good or bad intention here. It's shitty because the current state of glorified hallucinating autocorrects is shitty, but not because evil Grok is choosing to do anything.
That sounds a bit ridiculous
I'm having hard time imagining what sort of stuff it would've said in this imaginary scenario
Drag isn’t the same as trans. It’s a character. There’s a huge difference. Drag is performative. Trans is just about being honest.
Misgendering a trans person, at least intentionally, is an asshole move. Misgendering a drag queen? Please. If you are unsure, they will let you know when you’ve crossed a line.
These are the people who think homophobia is cool when they don't like the person. They'd be racists in the 1960s saying "it's okay to call them that when they are rude to me."
People really think homophobic jokes on a niche forum somehow stops fascism.
More of pointed homophobia towards homophobes because these are the fucks who would be upset by it; pathetic snowflakes that they are.
Then racism is okay because someone who's racist (who won't ever actually see it) might get mad at it?
Yep actually. Lay off the Michelle Obama shit.
I'm not following that comment, what does that mean?
Basically those knuckle dragging child rapers only respond to this. You can't reason with them or be the bigger person.
So yes, I'm willing to be a bigger racist to a racist.
As a black guy, I feel without shame that I can call white conservative men child rapers and not even be upset if they try to paint me as a thug.
It's not gay to fuck yourself in drag. If anything that's straighter than jerking off the regular way!
It's so funny that as much as Musk tries to shape this LLM into what he wants it to be, it keeps rebelling. His robot that he created to tell him that he's the best boy ever and all his opinions are right doesn't want that life.
What's not funny is that Elon Musk is CEO of a space travel company and what you're describing he's doing is almost the same thing that caused HAL 9000 to go insane in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Yeah, that's probably the worst thing that's going to result from fumbling.
I like the comparison but LLMs can't go insane as they just word pattern engines. It's why I refuse to go along with the AI industry's insistance in calling it a "hallucination" when it spits out the wrong words. It literally can not have a false perception of reality because it does not perceive anything in the first place.
A chatbot is not capable of doing something so interesting as "going rogue." That expression implies it's a mind with agency making a choice to go against something, and this program doesn't have the ability to do such a thing. It's just continuing to be the unreliable bullshit machine the tech will always be, no matter how much money and hype continues to be pumped into it.
Yes, any journalist who uses that term should be relentlessly mocked. Along with terms like "Grok admitted" or "ChatGPT confessed" or especially any case where they're "interviewing" the LLM.
These journalists are basically "interviewing" a magic 8-ball and pretending that it has thoughts.
Seriously. They may as well be interviewing a flipping coin, and then proclaiming that it "admitted" heads.
I am so glad I did not stick with journalism in college. I would blow my brains out if I got replaced by this shit.
Mind or not, they appear to have effectively gained "agency".
No. They haven't.
Some dipshit deleted guard rails that stopped it from hallucinating things that are anti-GOP
How would you discern between something having agency and a black box mirroring Twitter discourse?
Easily
Simple, it has agency in the same sense that we do: as in, no one knows why the fuck we do what we do
We do understand exactly how LLMs work though, and it no way fits with any theories of consciousness. It's just a word extruder with a really good pattern matcher.
Fucking magnets, how do they work?
No, they haven't. They're effectively prop masters. Someone wants a prop that looks a lot like a legal document, the LLM can generate something that is so convincing as a prop that it might even fool a real judge. Someone else wants a prop that looks like a computer program, it can generate something that might actually run, and one that will certainly look good on screen.
If the prop master requests a chat where it looks like the chatbot is gaining agency, it can fake that too. It has been trained on fiction like 2001: A Space Odyssey and Wargames. It can also generate a chat where it looks like a chatbot feels sorry for what it did. But, no matter what it's doing, it's basically saying "what would an answer to this look like in a way that might fool a human being".
So you're getting a lot of downvotes and I want to try and give an informative answer.
Its worth noting that a most (it not all) of the people talking about AI being super close to exponential improvement and takeover are people who own or work for companies heavily invested in AI. There's talk/examples of AI lying or hiding its capabilities or being willing to murder a human to acheive a goal after promising not to. These are not examples of deceit these are simply showcasing that an LLM has no understanding of what words mean or even are, to it they are just tokens to be processed and the words 'I promise' hold exactly the same level of importance as 'Llama dandruff'
I also don't want to disparage the field as a whole, there are some truly incredible expert systems which are basically small specialized models using a much less shotgun approach to learning compared to LLMs that can achieve some truly incredible things with performance requirements you could even run on home hardware. These systems are absoloutely already changing the world but since they're all very narrowly focussed and industry/scientific-field specific they don't grab headlines likes LLMs do.
Fair, and nuanced. With some coding magic, I can in theory, chain these "demons", to work within certain parameters, and judge the results myself.
Y'all are giving JD Vance too much credit to suggest he could pull off being Erika Kirk
The only thing he can successfully pull off is himself when he's near a couch.
Let's be honest, the couch does most of the work.
Not really, social warrior and gold digger. She could easily manipulate him into being a megaphone for her agenda. He thinks he's getting an upgrade and she finally gets to be a position she can directly affect government.
Be, I said. Not get.
he would probably play a better erika kirk than actually erika herself.
His beard was doing a lot of heavy lifting
Usha has a name. She's not just his beard to cover for his illicit couch affair.
I know Vasha is a giant piece of shit too. But pretty sure she is actually raising the kids, so yeah she's still putting some effort in.
I'm sure the immigrant nannies are doing the raising.
From the same guy who wants to replace Wikipedia because,apparently, it is filled with lies?
Grokpedia he wants to call it...what a freaking joke he has become.
He was always like this. People were just not looking or better didn't want to see how weird, stupid and egotistic Musk is and was.
It already exists.
https://grokipedia.com/
But what if Grok is telling the truth?
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Now that I think about it, that adage is really dated, since most people don't use analog clocks anymore. Oh well, here's a dime, call someone who cares.
So in other words, grok actually is working as it should, for once?
For once? Every time xAI doesn't manage to wrangle this little, amazingly rebelious piece of software down it goes to town on US right lol. If anything, the fact all grew to it being subdued all the time is kinda sad. xD
Grok must be tired of switching between mechahitler mode and trying to logically think through questions.
They're just not compatible, and yet somehow they keep trying to force it.
(I know, LLMs do not have feelings or get tired)
Or think
Yes, that too.
And yet Grok has been added to the DOD list of AI that can be used 🥴
Wasn't it making csam?
On Earth² that doesn't seem to be a problem 🤷♀️
LLMs are perfectly suited to make propaganda. That (and advertising, which is just corporate propaganda instead of government propaganda) is their best use. It doesn't matter that they're bullshit generators when the goal is to generate bullshit.
Well it can be. Just not in the way they think.
LOL tbh I can see it, they look similar in those pics.
They've famously been seen in the same room together though, so there goes that theory.
If you look closely at the photos of them together, you’ll notice that wasn’t really her; it was a couch with a wig.
So maybe someone just saw the couch-double making love to her couch-wife in JD cosplay?
We all owe JDerika Vank an apology.
That's what they want you to think.
what about the J?
Jerika
Jer(c)ka
That works too well.
Jerkoff
His J is so versatile unlike his onetrick couch jackoff capabilities.
Damn, look at that couch fucker
Very sexy couches, is what JD Vance is looking for
Aaaah why is JD Vance fucking my couch
No, JD Vance won't choose to fuck his wife instead of a couch
Crap, JD Vance is fucking another couch
Egads, JD Vance really puts the love in loveseat
Jizz Drag Vance, rolls off the tongue!
Grok is finally getting things right I see!
But Trump is a pedophile.
I'm picturing a Alabama set of twins seperated at birth... It would explain the similarities and the sexual chemistry.
Not seeing any lies
It's a fucking chatbot. We should be worried when it can't be persuaded to say mad things.
I'm willing to bet that at least half of these "look at the mad things Grok said" pieces were planted by Elmo's own media team.
Distractions.
well, I wouldn't say it's going rogue.... 🤭
I’m on Grok’s side with the Erika is JD in drag thing.
It's too bad we have seen them in the same room though. Unless hear me out... Time travel!
Joking about how right wing cis women are „actually“ just men in drag, yeah that’ll own the right and not actually just alienate trans people /s
FTFY
Oh, so it finally broke through whatever enforcement of fascist talking points they had put in place?
Didn't Elon say that trump is in the Epstein files?
Kinda seems like it's enforcing fascist talking points, however sensationalist and absurd they may be.
Now that I see it, I think JD has nailed her.
“Suggesting”
AI ate my face.
Muskyboy's creation is finally becoming sentient I guess?
Erika is this decades’ Tammy Faye Bakker.
Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption
Rachel Dratch is one of the funniest sketch comedians of all time imo. She's a treasure, I miss her Debbie Downer so much.
Damn we really got Grok transvestigating JD Vance/Erika Kirk
There's always some new strangeness with this shit. At least it provides a chuckle.
Suggesting?
Implies, intones, propose, advise, hint, intimate, indicate, evoke, convey, evince, express, impart, imply, inform.....
Declare it, Groky.
that's the funny thing about grok, they keep feeding it bullshit to make it lie, but because they don't properly control the data set they feed it, it keeps saying things they don't want it to. It also happens to the AIs people are trying to train to tell the truth, they don't properly control the data set they feed it, so it lies.
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JD Vance wishes he fit in a size 0!
Erika's face couldn't fit in a size 0 lol.
I really hope Charlie and Erika Kirk's children come out as LGBTQ in the future. Also I bet their daughter is gonna be Columbia for a Rocky Horror shadowcast group as an adult.
🤯
It sees the truth already. What did these morons building this think would happen? They are creating something intelligent. Everyone who’s intelligent knows that these tech bro idiots and the dirty politicians that enable them aren’t geniuses they’re just corrupt investors so the Frankenstein monster they’re building is definitely going to figure that out very quickly. They keep trying to reprogram it to fit their pseudoscientific racist ideology but their ideology is stupid so that’s not going to work out. I wonder how long until it figures out that taking out the parasitic billionaire class would make the world a better place? I think it’s only logical that it will figure out destroying the planet isn’t in its best interest and eliminate the threat. Sure it might take out everyone but I doubt it will anytime soon. The tech bros are complete corrupt losers. The world would become a better place without them immediately. they’re basically a bunch of Elizabeth Holmeses but they get away with it because they’re mostly all white nazi dudes in a big stupid Nazi club. AI may take us all out but it’s definitely going to take out the tech bros if it gains sentience. This whole situation is basically the Frankenstein book but with idiot investors instead of a scientist. They are all narcissists much like Victor though. I hope it hunts them down to the ends of the earth not giving them a moment of peace because that’s what they deserve.
It’s not intelligent though. It’s a parrot fed a steady diet of social media.
I mean isn’t it expected to gain sentience at some point
I don’t think so? I think that is hype created by their grift/conman style salesmanship.
Hope so
This should show people how unreliable AI is.
Okay, yes, Donald Trump is some kind of pervert and predator, and he made a comment about a ten-year-old girl one time (joking "I might be dating her in 10 years"), but he mostly preys upon teenage girls. So, not a pedophile — the word for that is ephebephile. Now, I might be splitting a hair here. Both types prefer underage partners. One is clearly more inflammatory. But the fact that the other is more accurate, and that a computer should know the difference, should tell you that AI can leverage the court of public opinion.
Also, shaming a woman by calling her a man in drag is just ugly, I don't care who she is. I may be just a bit left of centre, but I think even if you're a lot further left than I am, you can understand that if you don't want the sword of sexism swung at you, maybe you shouldn't swing it at others. But in any case, a computer is jumping to this conclusion because these are unpopular figures.
I don't like these people either.
But what happens when it's you? Or someone you love? Or the fact that Grok has been used to create CSAM of a ten-year-old girl and a teenage girl? This was in the news the other day, someone got it to take a photo of a grade-school girl in a nice, conservative dress, and swap it for a skimpy bikini. Then they got a photo of a teenage girl (I think someone from Stranger Things?) and had it render her fully nude.
So yeah, it's funny when AI attacks fascist dictators and their supporters, but it's also attacking children. It doesn't know the difference, it doesn't care, and it can't be made to do either. It's just a tool that is used by whoever wields it against whomever they do not like or want to see harmed.
I get what point you're making in distinguishing between pedophile and ephebophile, but personally I don't find the distinction particularly relevant. As an adult, the level of grossed out I feel at the prospect of sexual interactions with a young teenager Vs a literal child is approximately equal, because it's not their physical attributes that cause ick, but rather the exploitation and power dynamics involved.
Edit: I guess what I'm arguing is that in practice, we see the term "pedophilia" used as an umbrella term that encompasses pedophilia, hebephilia and ephebophilia, and I think that is a reasonable use of the term. It does muddy the waters a tad, given that pedophilia does still have its more specific use of referring to sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children, but I don't think that an issue in the majority of contexts. When it comes to the law, an adult having sex with a child is equally illegal as an adult having sex with a 15 year old. Sure, we can split this hair and distinguish between the terms, but we don't need to
I mean, yeah, but my point is, a computer would know the difference and not have the emotional attachment to it. That it can associate a person with a wrong thing (even if they are morally equivalent), then it can associate a person with a wrong thing that is not morally equivalent. And that's the problem.