American actor George Clooney and his family are granted French citizenship. Clooney previously said that 'his children have a better life in France than in the United States.'
The Hollywood actor is a prominent donor to the Democratic Party in the United States. In recent years, that has regularly led to criticism from President Trump, who has called him a “second-rate movie star,” among other things. According to Clooney, it didn’t bother him much. “It’s not my job to keep the President of the United States happy.”
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The American dream is now to escape America.
I heard you were dead
I got better
Damnit, another sequel?!
They tried 6 times to make a sequel, Kurt Russell keeps saying no.
It's harder than you think to renounce American citizenship.
If you're brown, they'll do it for you
You don't have to and it's not clear whether or not Clooney did.
It would be a massive tax bill if he did.
It really isn't. https://www.usa.gov/renounce-lose-citizenship
Yeah I don't think that helps them make the point they thought they were making lol.
At least 3 of those things are kinda the same and would be covered in one visit.
The selective service won’t apply to people over 50 I don’t think.
The exit tax is probably the sticking point for many, I’m not sure how that works for mega rich like Clooney, but it might be really easy for a poor like me.
It always has been.
If you are rich, Europe, the poor struggle with visas and thw rise and rise of the far right there is America redux :) as an Australian, I gave up on my French dream
If you are poor, SE Asia. eg Cambodia, neaely anyone can be there, YT is awash with retired Americans who can no longer afford to live in the US and burnt out tech guys making a new life. Sinilarly, The Philippines for retirees . Vietnam and Thailand have visa issues
It must be a confusing time for Russian dissidants that just got here 👀
Yup, leave if you can.
Username checks out
instance too
I'd love to if I could afford it. Neither my wife or I are particularly tied to our families.
rich people always say these things once they are safely away, remember ellen degeneres she only moved away because of diddy/epstein controversy last year, she smelled the wind could turn against her and she ditched the us.
Yeah I'm in the process of moving to France as well. Have been planning it before the current state of affairs and for work reasons but things like ICE and the Thought Police EO are expediting things.
Ultimately my family came here from Europe generations ago for better economic opportunities, more freedom, and virtually every one of us have served our country in some compacity. I no longer see anything on the list that is true anymore. Europe, and France, have their own problems but in the next 60-100 years they seem much more stable and democratic than the US.
I'm contemplating just going on our 90d visa, WFH with my American business, and simply renewing until I get a 1y long-term visa (which you can renew every year with proof of income and NOT working for a EU company). A lot of people on r/digitalnomad and r/getout do a variation of this in Fr.
If things get worse I genuinely think seeking political asylum may be on the table for some people. But I make enough money to not really consider that.
seems harder for non-tech, non scientist level people(i would say extremely difficult)
I know and quite frankly I probrally should. Not enough money to leave yet too much anger to die.
And if you can't, whine about those who do.
Must be nice to have "Buy Myself French Citizenship" kind of money.
He could do it for under $500K. He probably started the talent investor visa process during the 45 administration, as they take about 4 years to get approved.
Super easy for him to spin up some production company that makes 2 art movies a year, hire 3 French people he knows on 5-year contracts, and he's basically at the minimum requirements. If he's bought and invested more than a certain amount in a home as well, that also counts towards citizenship.
Oh, is that all? Let me check my couch for loose change.
I'm sure he has a home in the South of France. Probably walking distance from the Cannes movie festival
Home bought 2021, according to reports. Not long enough for the normal 5 year residency requirement, plus he's probably away lots. Looks fishy. Nice to be rich.
Cool to see he already knew back then (this is a comple guess, of course) that getting out of the US was needed. If this was the plan all along it still took this long, but there are obviously many more things than just the citizenship to make a move like that.
I'm sure you're correct. And yes, these are trivial amounts for him -- and not exactly insane amounts if you simply owned a house in LA and sold it to flip it into EU citizenship. IMO the key point is that this is a 4-year process that I bet he started in mid-2021. Time is something he can't buy.
The US has its own citizenship by investment schemes as well, well before the "Gold Card" or whatever scam that is. Usually the base investment levels on these things are $100K-$300K and then you'll be on the hook for taxes and admin fees and a lawyer as well. It's why so many UK cits bought property in Portugal or Greece as they had lower levels for investment to count.
You only need savings of about 1.5x the SMIC (minimum wage) - currently 1801.80€ monthly for 12 months and you can get a year visa. If you have enough the following year, you can renew. Do that four times and you can ask for a more or less permanent multi-year residency if you speak french by that time. So as you can see, you could probably sell a house in the US for a decent profit and invest time enough to gain French residency without needing George Clooney money.
In the process of moving to Fr myself (diginomad). As I understand it you don't even need 1.5x SMIC in savings just prove you earn 1.5x monthly x12. I could be wrong, still trying to work the plans out if you have any resources you can recommend would love to learn more!
The other big aspect to getting your temp long stay (1yr) visa, if you're not being sponsored by a company, is to prove your income is solely from non-EU companies. Since I'm WFH American business, I basically just need to pay rent+insurance.
Yes, there seems to be some confusion in the french interpretation of non lucrative visa categories. The benefit of this is that some remote work may be tacitly allowed. The complexity comes really from French taxation and social charges. Nobody can really say whether you will be chased for 9% of your income, 17% of your income, or 47%.
The problem is nobody can actually give you a clear and definitive answer, so if you do things like stay past six months, get a permanent apartment, get rid of your home elsewhere, there is a risk you could be asked to pay even several years later. It makes for a complicated situation, and for this reason I think another country with a clearly specified digital nomad program and tax regime is a much safer bet.
I can get more detailed outside of a public forum.
Add I understand it, permanent residency also requires a language exam and doesn't guarantee employment rights (because French voters don't want people "stealing jobs"). So it's more complicated than that.
The multi-year residency requires B2 proficiency as of this year, and also allows working in France. It is of course up to french authorities as to whether it is granted, taking into account your time in the country and your level of integration.
I'm pretty sure France has all the retail workers they need.
Now if you are a medical doctor or a reasonably famous scientist, famous actor, or just rich, they will also be happy to take you in. But plebes generally need not apply for citizenship in almost any nation on this planet.
I am speaking of highly specific regulations in France which I have direct personal experience of. If you decide to work in retail after receiving your multi year residency, the French government has no objections to this as long as you have sufficiently integrated.
Probably cheaper than a “Trump Card”
He didn't buy it, his wife has french citizenship so he can get it too although I bet the process was faster for him since he is rich and famous while I have been waiting 8 months for my wife to be allowed to enter the country.
ITT: people not realizing his wife was born in Lebanon. Are they safer than your average non-pure-white family? Absolutely. But they have legitimate reasons to be scared.
Also apparently she's a human rights lawyer so she's bound to have pissed off republicans one way or another already.
She was a key part of the team prosecuting the war crimes case against Israel
Yeah I get hating rich people, because fuck inequality, that's true, but the Clooneys seem like pretty decent people to me as far as rich celebrities are concerned.
He for sure has too much money(Google said $500 mill) but he’s small time compared to the richest and the corporations that are doing the most damage to the future. I doubt more than a few folks interested in eating the rich are champing at the bit to get at Clooney.
George Clooney did a pretty good job (just like all the other actors) in the 2000 Coen Brothers film "O Brother Where Art Thou". Seriously!
My hair!
We're in a tight spot!
Well, ain't this place a geographical oddity! Two weeks from everywhere!
Well VP Vances wife is an immigrant, as is Trump:s wife
And haven't you seen how elated they appear to be about their choices (assuming they had a choice to begin with)?
Women are just "things" to those people. They may feel bad about not buying American, but it doesn't affect them.
Consistency is not necessary for fascism.
Yeah I imagine Vance's wife might have an unfortunate accident any day now.
Swallowed by a couch
I imagine she will be divorced and have a slur campaign ran against her as Vance remarries Erika.
I don't know Vance probably doesn't believe in divorce so I'm thinking he'll just have her killed like he did Kirk. Allegedly.
More than one Pope told Vance he isn't supposed to hunt down immigrants with ICE but he still does that
What does her wife being from Lebanon has anything to do with this? She has British and French citizenship so it is easy for him to get the citizenship and I bet she is safe from ICE on virtue of having shit ton of money, other 2 nationalities and being an international lawyer.
That she's obviously not safe in the country and people are mad that they decided to uproot their family and leave?
I'm sure that being part of the team that being one of the authors of this article makes you popular with Netanyahu's sock puppet's pet anti-immigration criminal organization lmao. She's also represented other people that the US government doesn't exactly agree with. There are a LOT of good reasons for Trump to disappear her. She did exactly the one thing that the shit ton of money allowed her to do: Escaped. I hope everyone else who can and needs to, does as well. The bigger the brain drain, the better - Trump's empire won't last as long.
Neither him nor her or their family are in any danger in the USA, besides the usual due to the nature of the country.
If you’re NOT on a government watch list by now, you should be ashamed of yourself.
If you're posting history of the last 6 years doesn't get you on a list, I don't want to be your friend.
My activities are not televised.
They removed me from it: They lost too many agents due to boredom.
i was going to go with the Terry Davis method but i’m just not comfortable screaming racist things into every microphone.
Whereas Crudbump had an even more ingenious plan to get the NSA off his tail, pun intended.
If I check to see if I'm on any lists, does that put me on a list?
Just this comment makes you eligible for being on a list. Not The List though, you gotta do something special for that one.
Like a burning bag of poop on the front porch?
Only one way to find out 🤷
Lmao 🤣
It's funny you say that, because even just finding out whether you're on a list is nearly impossible.
There are certain magical household chemicals that makes them appear if you stockpile enough of them.
"What‽ What‽ Is it wrong to want a clean house‽ It's illegal to collect styrofoam coolers now‽"
I have so many Magic Erasers, how big does my stockpile have to be to them to appear?
Considering Clooney's involvement with the Satellite Sentinel Project, he's probably on every list.
But also if you're on one with your real name, don't even op-sec?
I'm probably on two lists.
CCP and US 47th admin
And they still let him in after that Louvre heist?!
Ocean’s 14 is about to be authentic as fuck
This is the best comment.
Where were you when they were shooting "The Night Of" ?
They're rich. His children will be fine wherever they are.
Says something when even rich people are better off elsewhere.
being rich doesn't protect you from fascism
Having more money than you could spend in your lifetime buys you options not available to most people, news at 11.
i got out with less than 20k.
That's Jeffery Epstein's job
That was.
Poor be fucked is the American way.
Wish I had the money to escape the United States too
How much does it take?
More than just a plane ticket. You need a marketable skill that is easily transferred, rent, food, utilities, new transportation, new licensing, and coverage for enough months until you can get the job. Also, the immigration fees. Basically, immigration is for the rich who can use money as a cushion or for the impoverished who have nothing to lose by assuming the risk.
Maybe you’ll need to learn and get proficient in a new language too
Go to a big city in the Netherlands or the Nordics if learning a new language is too hard. People there are fluent in English. And in many companies there who hire expats they speak English on the work floor.
Sure, you can work in English, but ‘live’ in English? Not so much.
As a local in a city that gets its quota of English-speaking expats, I kinda hate the guys who pretend we locals to switch to their language just because. I have no problem speaking English to visitors (aka tourists), but permanent-ish residents should make an effort to speak our language. Unless they plan to keep themselves in an isolated island of expats.
You'll need a marketable skill, rent, food, and transportation if you stay, too. I'm not sure what you mean by licensing. Immigration fees is something that I haven't looked into before, but it appears to be something like 800€ in here Denmark.
As for language, if you pick the Netherlands, Scandinavia or larger German cities, then English will be OK.
I'm not saying that I think it's a walk in the park, nor that'll be free, but it may be easier, and less expensive, than people think. Start by going on an extended vacation to the countries that you're interested in. Maybe talk with potential employers. Then make plans afterwards.
Fair, but some skills are inherent to your placement within the home country, and transferring that skill to another country would actually add to the expense. A great example of this would be an American lawyer relocating to France. They go through law school and learn the American/English common-law system, then they relocate to France, which bases all its laws in a statutory context. So, not only would they handicapped by this new legal mantra, they'd have to then go to school again and pay to pass the bar again. So, there's another cost.
This is at the heart of a scandal he triggered in France. A lot of people would have prefered him not to get fast-tracked when he doesn't qualify for the minimum requirements ( this is from his own confession) when so many are getting bumped out when they are more "worthy" ( not in financial or influence terms).
I hear real estate in Iran will be cheap.
I'm a regular guy who saved up for years while studying another language and gtfo of the US. It's an option.
congrats man. welcome 2 the club.
I did that too and I got tired of it and came back and now it looks like the country's fucked. Thanks a lot guys
If you did it once, you can do it again. Nowhere is perfect, though. If I had it to do over, I'd probably pick one of the Nordics instead of Japan.
Even ethnic Japanese people born outside Japan have a hard time there
Probably a harder time as they're often expected to know all the unwritten rules and behave a certain way. I know people who have struggled a lot to reintegrate. Many end up working for themselves and/or in entertainment if they have a more western mondset
Anyone would have a better life in France instead of the US but good for him. Glad to see there’s still some backbone in Hollywood.
Oh no, not that. I mean speaking up compared to other actors who gladly bend the knee.
I don't know if cloony said it before, but a bunch of actors said they'd "leave the country" if Trump got elected, then didn't. So it's nice to see someone follow through
Don't you mean French actor Le George Clooney?
George Le Clooney
French cinema world busy updating all their leaderboards about best paid actors etc.
Ok, but how is this World news?
It vaguely involves a non US country
Vaguely? Specifically.
Vaguely international barely news article in WorldNews. Quick, upfart it.
France?
His children would have a good life anywhere. The joys of being incredibly famous and wealthy.
So glad to hear that his unimaginably privileged kids will be better off in France. I think they would probably do pretty damn well just about anywhere. Hell, I'd move to France too if I could do so in a financially sustainable way (spoiler, I don't think I could).
I think that's the point. They could be anywhere and they choose not USA.
Do you think getting a job in France and living like French people do not to be a financially viable option?
Considering most Americans couldn't even afford to buy a one-way ticket to France with cash-on-hand, the costs and logistics of actually moving to another country are a moot point. Not to mention the additional costs of securing residency and eventually citizenship.
Most Americans can't even bear the thought of moving a couple states away for fear of losing all of their social safety nets in existing friends/family.
I guess it's different if you're a childless, perpetually single loner tho.
People living in places considerably poorer than the US do travel to other countries, they do secure residency and get jobs. While I have met several people in America complaining about the hardships of life, which I do reckon definitely exist in the US, I have also seen them not recognising the great amount of riches they had. I did move several times and I lived in different continents.
While being able to afford a plane ticket is a much better way to move somewhere, it is not something necessary. I went to work in China as a factory worker and asking nicely to the company over there they agreed to pay my ticket.
Indeed, travelling with no children is definitely easier.
My point here is not much about the fact that everyone should move all the time or that you should do so to enjoy your life; the point is that if you want to go to France just go there and don't complain about the financial viability of the thing.
I think you're conflating the wealth of the nation and the wealth of individuals. Saying that if you really want to go to France it's possible, you just need to sell or abandon your belongings, walk away from your debt, abandon your family and travel by steerage on a cargo ship to get to France and live illegally because you don't qualify for any type of long term residency and you also can no longer return home because you'll be homeless and left to die in the street is... Unrealistic.
A very significant number of Americans simply do not have the resources to fail at something like that.
I think you're making it much more difficult than it actually is. I just checked prices for a flight new York - Paris and it is less than 200€. That amount of money should be easy to source for pretty much anybody. Make it 1000 and you have 2 months of breathing time without having to immediately get a job. In Europe you can stay for 6 months without a permit; that gives you 6 months overall to find a legal job, which should not be too difficult. That way you get back to paying your debt and you can send your stuff in boxes from America to France. I met plenty Americans in Europe, they were not rich people. Although I'll give you that most people who leave America did have some kind of problem in there and decided to leave. I met a bunch of people from other countries where mostly people want to see different places, and so they do that.
This applies if someone else depends on your income. Indeed, if you have children leaving the place where you are in such a way is a bit risky. Would be better to first get a job and then move. If you don't have children or a family member that depends on you, I don't see how losing one year of income could noticeably ruin your life. You're always in time to go back and get back to your previous life, if you didn't enjoy the new place.
Most of the country is not New York, and transportation is more expensive. Basing travel costs off of the cost at a major transit hub isn't representative.
France requires you to file your visa applications before travel. If you show up on a travel visa and then apply for long term residency they'll reject it because you didn't follow the rules.
A residency visa requires €1400 a month in income, so good luck getting residency with €1000 cash. Particularly when a significant portion of Americans don't have that to begin with.
No one said you had to be rich to leave America and move to France, just that it's not available to most Americans.
Says the person who is obviously not American.
https://www.norc.org/research/library/most-working-americans-would-face-economic-hardship-if-they-miss.html Remember that we don't have a social safety system here like most countries do. Being unemployed means you don't get medical treatment , and even if you're employed the costs can be devastating in their own right. You can end up homeless, where housing assistance can have a wait list of more than a year, if it even exists. Same for food assistance. The only medical care you're entitled to is that the ER must do the minimum necessary to stabilize a life threatening condition.
That's what's looming over Americans when we weigh taking financial risks. Loosing a month of income can create an unrecoverable financial burden.
That's what I mean when I say most Americans can't afford to fail at something like that. They may be able to afford to do it, and it might work out, but if it doesn't the consequences are crippling.
How often do you see an elderly person in a wheelchair with an oxygen tank doing menial labor at a supermarket or hardware store?
I do see your points, and I do reckon you have strong reasons supporting what you say. Please, understand that what I consider movin is indeed always a difficult and extenuating endeavour. It can be very moving and accomplishing, but that does not take away the difficulties. Please, read my messages above as a way to interpret the initiation of such an experience, rather than precise steps to take. See it more of a way to look at life. It may not be the way you like to live yours.
Regarding the points you raised, these are very valid, and all of them very good reasons to be afraid of moving. Very valid reasons to believe what I said is either uninformed or what would decide to do somebody who is desperate.
However, I do know many US citizens living in Europe. While I do have some survivorship bias, what I have said is not something impossible, and actually something quite realizable. Some corners are often cut in such occasions, I do reckon that.
I'm sure people are able to work things out.
While this is true on paper, I really have not seen this being applied. I know some people who stayed illegally several years and then got a job and regularised themselves.
Are Americans in such terrible conditions? That is a salary that I'd now consider a starting salary in Western European countries. Pretty much any full time job will get you that much.
Do people in the US with full time jobs earn less than that? Or is it difficult for many people to find a full time job?
I understand this as over half Americans make less than 1400€ a month. I assume you were exaggerating a bit.
Thanks for the linked article, a bit aged but very interesting.
Indeed very worrisome to live in a place where people can not get essential goods. I'm not sure how those are defined, but I imagine we're talking about food.
Indeed, that is a huge limit.
Never seen, most homeless people around where I live are homeless because they do not work. Most of them is people who lost their job after the 2008 crisis and either got hooked on drugs or decided to stop working. I know many of them, they do not live a hard life according to their own interpretation. They either go to a cheap canteen dedicated for that, or either way people is very happy to gift food. Some of them beg for money, but that is mostly to get alcohol, crack or heroin.
Besides, I know many people doing odd jobs and working a couple days a week. Working this way allows them to safely rent a house, to have food and extra money for diversion as well as saving up for times in which there may be no available jobs. Most of them can probably go on one year without working with the minimal savings they have.
Tina Turner did it before it was cool.
Mark Twain, Mary Cassatt, James McNeill Whistler, Gertrude Stein, Ernest Hemingway, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Ezra Pound, Henry Miller, Josephine Baker, Alexander Calder, Man Ray, Stuart Davis, James Baldwin, Richard Wright, Beauford Delaney, Kay Sage, Joan Mitchell, Ellsworth Kelly, Sam Francis, Alexander Archipenko, and Edmonia Lewis all did it before it was cool.
Alexander Archipenko? Wow, I didn't know that.
It was Switzerland though.
Just like Richard Scarry! He also moved to Switzerland.
Which is more impressive because she had to pass German exam and get approval from the community.
I thought her husband is German.
Wtf is wrong with these comments. Is lemmy full of hate bots now aswell?
Trump has won twice, and you still blame "bots".
It's people. Just people.
God i know but i want them to be bots.
I lived in France for two years and he's absolutely right.
Lemmy in a fucking nutshell: Fuck these rich people!
Also lemmy, missed the entire fucking point.
Fuck these rich people and fuck America.
That better for ya?
Lemmy is ambivalent about this comment but it's right. We can hold both positions, that rich people's privilege is irritating, but that also living in the US is hard and many of us would greatly appreciate the privilege. There's a word for this I think... actually comes to us via French. Jealousy.
People who are "actor rich" aren't the problem. AFAIK Clooney hasn't done anything particularly immoral, he just played in some movies and got paid well.
You should be mad about the amoral corporations that are ruining the world, and the sociopaths that control them.
The rich and famous will live their lives in a bubble no matter where they reside. And Clooney is still going to hear about Trump's criticisms no matter where he lives.
Must be nice.
Cuz you're rich, dummy.
Océan's Onze
I, for one, welcome them to jlai.lu.
Huh, I thought they lived in Italy.
Doesn't really matter. A French citizenship will let him live in Italy, too!
Must be that Nespresso ad seeping into your subconscious
My family has been in that area he's moved to for a couple generations. It's really nice and it's the south, but it's very far away from the busy/fancy parts of the côte d'azur. I can definitely see why they'd choose going there. The only downside to this whole region is it votes pretty right wing and you can sometimes feel it in conversations with the locals, but since I'm sure they're still pretty insulated they probably don't feel that.
Him and the lead singer for AFI are models of what men should be more like.
Davey Havok? What did he do?
Also, first time I'm learning his name.
Fucking rock!
Proudly brought a beautiful full figured woman to some award ceremony. Hold on, I'll look it up.
Can't find the picture. But dude, much like Pierce, is an objectively gorgeous person. And he didn't fall into the typical "I need young and skinny arm candy."you see so often in the entertainment industry.
America Fucks Immigrants?
A rich man and wife feel safer in France than in the US. I don't necessarily care how safe the ultra-wealthy feel in any country
If a rich man and his wife feel safer outside the United States, that's saying something. And you completely missed the whole theme under discussion.
What exactly is it saying? I understand his wife is a lebanese, but how are they materially any less safe in the US than they are in France? This really just sounds like wealthy liberals changing country clubs. I've only ever been to France as a tourist but they didn't seem any less prejudice there.
France doesn't have a government whose president is specifically gunning for him, and his wife. That makes a big difference. Better safe than sorry, especially with your kids.
Frankly, I'd be right behind him, if I could afford it. It wouldn't be any big sacrifice to quit this version of America. We passed our "Best by" date long ago.
"I was worried about raising our kids in L.A., in the culture of Hollywood,” he told the magazine. “I don’t want them to be walking around worried about paparazzi. I don’t want them being compared to somebody else’s famous kids"
This was the reason stated in the article, they're not seeking asylum. They literally just wealthy people acquiring citizenship like it's a membership to a new country club. Equating them in any way to the real struggles of people attempting to flee persecution is so wild to me, but I guess it's cool to do because we like George Clooney. He even says he can't speak French.
A lot of Hollywood people live in other places, for that very reason, but they generally stay in America. He chose a foreign country, and it would be naive to believe that his, and his wife's, opinions and actions in defiance of MAGA had nothing to do with that decision.
I think Clooney might be specific about paparazzi pressure here. You don't really see the same level of harassment from this kind of press in France. I don't know.
Yeah, their privacy laws are no joke.
The divided states are a hate-filled bunch of rag-tag counties occupying space on the same continent. In Europe, there is less (not zero) hate and people do not define their lives around Fox news.
Its kinda funny someone with the name ocean is shitting on george clooney.
Wow, I didn't realize making a movie gave you rights over the entire concept of the ocean
Only if you're George Clooney.
Well, it is literally anywhere better than in the US or Israel.
That's it, we're moving to Syria.
Sure
I’m hearing this in a Ulysses Everett McGill voice from “O Brother, Where Art Thou” “What we are experiencing here today is a Re-verse migration in progress. In other words, Adios, vaya con Dios.”
What else?
But he still keeps his US citizenship? Or did he give it up?
Probably not. Wealthy people like him have to pay an exit tax on their unrealized gains when they renounce their US citizenship
Wait, what? He has to pay the US government on potential taxable income he might have made and owed to the government if he were still a citizen? That doesn't seem fair. Even if we weren't talking about a movie star. I don't want to pay the government when I divorce them for my new country.
I thought everybody had to pay.
There is a threshold. You only pay if you have a net worth of $2 million or more or earned around $200k or more per year in the last 5 years.
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/expatriation-tax
Correct
US accepts dual citizenship so I doubt he gave it up.
A lot of German banks don't want to deal with the hassle of a us dual citizen. Don't know if it's the same with french banks. But that could be another reason to give it up.
He could have saved a bit of taxes.
Depending on the intricacies of tax treaties you probably won’t pay much US tax after moving to a high taxation country. Relinquishing US citizenship when you are wealthy means paying the capital gains exit tax on your worldwide assets though so if you can afford good accountants, keeping both is probably easier
Yeah: you are correct. My french wife is also a US citizen and he works in hospitality (nor she or I are loaded). Her tax is high enough here that it annuls any taxes she should pay to the IRS.
Tax is not on the bingo card. What is on the bingo card is that France never never extradited it's own citizens. And if you are sought after by another country's justice system, no matter how heinous your supposed crimes (like being an influencial democrat supporter in the current US ), you will be 100% safe on french soil if you are french.
who the hell is still filing taxes?
As long as he doesn't come back after we have all been bled to get rid of these freakish magats.
Misleading thumbnail. O_O
In France they won't be brainwashed into believing in White Jesus
Thanks to all those dead bodies at the beach.
Hey, France, return the favor?
They'll maybe get to it as soon as you all finish your "freedom fries"
Someone is gonna have to save us because too many MAGA still.
Nobody is coming to save you, America will fizzle out and die then its remains will become improvrished and ruled by a reactionary dictator. The entire world willl celebrate when americans are too poor and starving to cause any more harm.
It's not others' jobs to fix your own country. Here we're all baffled at your lack of responsiveness in face of the situation. Especially when you were so vocal about your guns and freedom and so on.
Where are the constant protests? The strikes? Why is nothing in fire yet? The guy removed the barely functioning thing that passed for social security in your country and you did nothing? He made all the prices jump by at least 20% in a few months and still nothing? He let a billionaire install his 18 years old "hackers" with goofy names steal all your data and fire half the public workers, no? He refuses to help your allies and threatens to invade them? He created his own private militia and arrests people on sight because they're brown to send them in death camps? And you watch on the sides?
Nobody's coming to save you because it's not our job, it's yours.
It’s so nice to know he made his bag on the backs of American labor and American consumers, and he can now just leave.
Must be nice to be given everything playing make believe, throw a couple bones to the manufactured opposition, then say nah I’m done. I don’t want my kids growing up in the country that literally made me and afforded me the privilege to just leave when shit really starts to matter. Congrats on that.
You’d leave in a fucking second if you could. And if you wouldn’t, you’re not paying attention. Stop trying to find ways to be pissed off about shit like this and instead direct your energy towards the actual fucking problem.
It’s like people here WANT to be pissed off at everything.
Yes I would. It is understandable, but also frustrating as fuck to see those with more means to effect positive change in this country just giving up and walking away, money in hand.
I don’t want to be pissed off. I am just absolutely sick of the privileged few getting whatever they want in life, while the rest of us are left to fight amongst ourselves over the scraps.
I get ya. And fair point.
Not op, but happily. In a heartbeat. Wouldn't even have time to finish the conversation if it were an option.
And yes, they absolutely can be vocally pissed that a privileged old white rich man and his privileged rich kids will get to continue living much better lives due to their riches that allowed them to leave.
Lol
So he can meddle in French politics instead?
Stupid much?
Oh you have no idea