Boys at her school shared AI-generated, nude images of her. She was the one expelled
A 13-year-old girl at a Louisiana middle school got into a fight with classmates who were sharing AI-generated nude images of her
The girls begged for help, first from a school guidance counselor and then from a sheriff’s deputy assigned to their school. But the images were shared on Snapchat, an app that deletes messages seconds after they’re viewed, and the adults couldn’t find them. The principal had doubts they even existed.
Among the kids, the pictures were still spreading. When the 13-year-old girl stepped onto the Lafourche Parish school bus at the end of the day, a classmate was showing one of them to a friend.
“That’s when I got angry,” the eighth grader recalled at her discipline hearing.
Fed up, she attacked a boy on the bus, inviting others to join her. She was kicked out of Sixth Ward Middle School for more than 10 weeks and sent to an alternative school. She said the boy whom she and her friends suspected of creating the images wasn’t sent to that alternative school with her. The 13-year-old girl’s attorneys allege he avoided school discipline altogether.
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So AI images of underaged nude girls being reported to police does not warrant any form of investigation?
And AI generation vendors get a free pass for generating child porn
They absolutely should not.
That would affect the economy, and profits, which as we know are much more important than morals, so unfortunately, we must allow it.
The Trump Administration is trying to make preventing this illegal.
Easy answer, we make unflattering AI porn of Ivanka. Make it impossible for her dad to enjoy.
I fear you're underestimating his depravity.
He'll insist on being added to the text chain.
The article states that the police investigated but found nothing. The kids knew how to hide/erase the evidence.
Are we really surprised, though? Police are about as effective at digital sleuthing as they are at de-escalation.
Unless they can pull out their gun and shoot at something or someone ... or tackle someone ... they aren't very good at doing anything else.
Literally verbatim what an officer said when we couldn't get a hold of animal control and he got sent over instead...
You should have kept reading.
"Ultimately, the weeks-long investigation at the school in Thibodaux, about 45 miles (72 kilometers) southwest of New Orleans, uncovered AI-generated nude images of eight female middle school students and two adults, the district and sheriff’s office said in a joint statement.”
The article later states that they continued investigating, and found ten people (eight girls and two adults) who were targeted with multiple images. They charged two boys with creating and distributing the images.
It’s easy to jump on the ACAB bandwagon, but real in-depth investigation takes time. Time for things like court subpoenas and warrants, to compel companies like Snapchat to turn over message and image histories (which they do save, contrary to popular belief). The school stopped investigating once they discovered the kids were using Snapchat (which automatically hides message history) but police continued investigating and got ahold of the offending messages and images.
That being said, only charging the two kids isn’t really enough. They should charge every kid who received the images and forwarded them. Receiving the images by itself shouldn’t be punished, because you can’t control what other people spontaneously send you… But if they forwarded the images to others, they distributed child porn.
At the end of the day, these are children, there is no punishment meaningful that ends with just these boys punished. Justice would be finding the source of who created these images. I'm honestly highly doubtful it was these kids alone. This really should bring into suspect any adult in the life of these boys. An investigation that stops at punishing children for child sexual abuse material is not at all a thorough investigation.
It's possible these boys were able to generate these images on their own (meaning not with help from anyone in their real life interactions). But, even if that was the case, the investigation should not stop there.
Behold
your child pornography/child sexual abuse material. These stick figures are definitely underage in someone's imagination.
What is the penalty?
This isn't any different than busting someone for selling fake drugs, which is an actual crime. Even if the bodies are AI generated, they're still attaching the faces of real girls to them and then distributing them amongst their peer group. The fact that you want to make your stand on this specific situation says a lot about you.
Seems like vacuous bullshit. At least there, a fraud is technically committed.
A real face is there in someone's imagination. And it's distributed to you. Are you going to excuse lesser skill?
So, again, what's the penalty?
The stand against sensational irrationality is always a good cause.
How so? Is there not fraud committed in this case as well?
We're not talking about someone's imagination or stick figures, but an actual digital image depicting a nude human body with the faces of real children. What skill are you referring to and how is this "skill level" relevant to the argument?
Is that what you're doing? Your comments are devoid of reasoning, logic, or nuance and just relies on a cartoon picture to do all the talking all while you claim everyone who disagrees with you is "showing a lack of thought or intelligence" and being irrational. You've done the equivalent of walking into a crowded room, farting, and walking away thinking "heh, heh, I showed those morons."
Was there a transaction?
That is "an actual digital image depicting a nude human body with the faces of real children". Both digital images, both depictions of nude human bodies with faces, both faces of real children as far as some viewer is concerned. Where's your objective legal standard?
You're just going to let people commit purported crimes with impunity due to weaker skill in synthesizing the images they're sharing? Seems unjust.
That's you. You lack an argument to draw a valid legal distinction & are just riding sensationalism. You were given a counterexample & have yet to adequately address it. It's bankrupt.
I don't get it. Are you saying the victim's age is imaginary? Or are you lashing out because you live in fear that you'll go prison if anyone ever opens your phone?
There's absolutely a legal distinction between a drawing or other depiction versus a deepfake based on a person's likeness.
Oh, shit! Did they shoot the computer?
I think that one’s okay. It’s not black.
No it doesn't say that.
Your question was answered in the article but you clearly stopped at either the outrage bait headline or the outrage bait summary.
"Ultimately, the weeks-long investigation at the school in Thibodaux, about 45 miles (72 kilometers) southwest of New Orleans, uncovered AI-generated nude images of eight female middle school students and two adults, the district and sheriff's office said in a joint statement."
That was the investigation by the police not the school.
What we're asking is why the school didn't investigate given that the police had already been contacted.
I mean, the police are the proper individuals to be investigating csam. The school bringing them in immediately would have been the correct action. School officials aren't trained to investigate crime.
Perhaps the cops are the proper investigative arm, but the school system had an obligation to assist in that investigation, and not ignore it, then deny it, then cover it up.
The entire leadership of the school should be fired, and the principal should be prosecuted.
Agreed
Because a school can't compell Snapchat to release "disappeared" images and chat logs. So perhaps in this case it was best left to the police.
It wasn't left to the police she'd already gone to the police. It sounds from the story like the school did literally nothing at all.
Also you don't need to compel Snapchat to release the images they're 13-year-old boys they absolutely have permanent copies on their phones.
How can the school compel the boys to show the permanent copies then? I think you are overestimating the power of the school in this scenario.
Saying there is nothing they can do is the standard cop-out for lazy administrators.
They are minors in school, under the legal supervision of the school. There are LOTS of things a school can do, and courts have been finding mostly on the side of schools for decades.
Without even trying, I can think of a dozen things the school could have done, including banning phones from the suspects until the investigation is over.
But they chose to do nothing, them punish the victim when she defended herself, after the school refused.
Banning phones during the investigation does not give the administration evidence to work with. Even if they took the phones, the school still couldn’t force the students to unlock them. The only way to get the evidence needed was through the police.
The school doesn't even need to do that to effectively squash suspected behavior in the short term.
Maybe they can't dole out a substantive punishment, but when I was growing up they absolutely would lean on kids for even being suspected of doing something, or even if they hadn't done it yet, but the administration could see it coming. Sure they might of wasted some time on kids that truly weren't up to anything, but there generally weren't actual punishments of consequence on those cases. I'm pretty sure that a few things were prevented entirely, just by the kids being told that the administration sees it coming.
So they should have at least been able to effectively suppress the student body behavior while they worked out the truth.
What? RTFA. 2 boys were charged by the Sheriff's department. They didn't face any punishment from the school, but law enforcement definitely investigated.
Must be a majority republican police department.
It's Louisiana, what do you think?
I think you may have read the wrong article.
No! Are you trying to get the perpetrator hired into Trump's cabinet?!
I mean, law enforcement doesn't have enough resources to go after people making real CP.
What makes you think they can go after everyone making fake CP with AI?
They do have resources, especially in the US. They do go after real cp and people go to jail on a near daily basis for it.
This too, could have been investigated better, which is kind of the point of the article
Why are you so okay with child pornography? Checking your message history really shows you being completely fine with CP, yet you really have it out for the victim
Correct. They will not investigate it further than threatening the victims with persecution. The goal is that the victim doesn't pursue it further.
They don't know how to properly investigate it, and they are not interested in knowing. The see it as both 'kids being kids' and 'if this gets out it will give our town a bad name'.
I'm glad the kid and her family aren't letting this go!
Read.The.Whole.Article.
Yes, after the kid had to take matters into her own hands.
She asked for help. The officer said no. She didn't let it go/escalated the issue as the sexual harassment progressed. Only when forced did they investigate
No they didn't and if they did that information is not in this article. She went to the Guidance Councilor at 7AM then to the onsite Sheriff's Deputy after. She texted her father and sister about 2PM. The SD couldn't immediately find anything but it appears that they didn't stop looking because 3 weeks later they were charging the boys.
So unless you have another source with a different timeline or more information your originally comment was inaccurate. Sort of like the ragebait headline and the ragebait summary.
You're simping hard for the police in here. There is no proof that any of the charges would have occurred had people not become outrage. The school definitely need this pressure.
You have a lot of cops in your family because I can't think of a reason anyone would be such a massive cheerleader for professional thugs without some personaon relationship.
Louisiana has effectively fully privatized its public school system through the charter school model. Everything's been stripped down and sold off. As a result, parents and students are reduced to the status of at-will clients of a given campus and can be kicked out for any reason or no reason at all.
Add to that, the Louisiana system is also at the forefront of the School to Prison Pipeline, a bureaucratic model that seeks to segregate the population by class cohort and heavily criminalize the behavior of the lower income traunchs in order to maximize its prison population.
Louisiana also happens to have the second largest incarceration rate in the nation. Louisiana prisons also happen to have been heavily privatized, with many of the profits going directly into the pockets of the public leaders and their mega-donor allies.
Shithole country
Yeah but bbq is pretty good, so you win some you lose some
And at least in the case of Louisiana it really won't be an issue in about 100 years. It'll be gone
Best swamp critter rice filled intestines too. Haven't been to Nola since gluten diagnosis. I miss le monde :(
The average American prison hold 800-1200 people. The largest prison in America is Angola, LA, which holds over 8000.
Soon it won't be the biggest American prison, though. Trump is building a facility in Guantanamo Bay that will hold 30,000 prisoners. Clearly, he and Stephen Miller intend to lock up a lot of people, and NOBODY is talking about it.
PedoCons love to lock people up.
This made me look up Europe vs the US prisoners stats:
European population is 750,000,000.
US population is 350,000,000.
Europe has 500,000 prisoners.
US has 2,000,000 prisoners.
I knew it would be bad but that's fucking unbelievable... Half the population but 4x the amount of prisoners.
And just to be clear; this was from a couple of minutes of searching, I don't have time right now to delve deeper and really back up those numbers. If anyone has more knowledge and sources, please correct me.
‘Horrific’: report reveals abuse of pregnant women and children at US Ice facilities
The headline could have punched so much harder with the truth because it is divisive and justifies multiple ideologies.
"Preteen expelled for physical retaliation after school fails to protect her from AI deep fake nudes."
Give more truth in the headline and leave the opinions and slant for the editorial section.
I've heard of this! It was called joor-nalism by our ancestors
An old soul 😁
Yeah but that headline tells the entire story and in a balanced way. You wouldn’t need the content to hold the eyeballs on ads
would this qualify as revenge porn? and pedophelia. and retaliation. and....well, she's going to have an impressive college fund by the time this is all done.
Yes deep fakes have been reclassified in many US states and much of the EU as revenge porn. Most countries have also classified any sexually explicit depiction of a minor as CSAM or as most people refer to it, child porn.
Please apply for editor jobs, so you can write the headlines instead.
Maybe if that were a job you could make a living off of. I think I'll just keep my job though haha.
I hear you, but what could the school have actually done to prevent this, realistically? Only way I could see is if smartphones etc. were all confiscated the moment kids step on the school bus (which is where this happened, for anyone not aware, it wasn't in a classroom), and only returned when they're headed home, and while it probably would be beneficial overall for kids to not have these devices in school, I don't think that's realistically possible in the present day.
And even still, it'd be trivial for the kid to both generate the images and share them with his buddies, after school. I don't think the school can really be fairly blamed for the deepfake part of this. For not acting more decisively after the fact, sure.
That's not a question for me to answer. It is, in fact, the school faculty's duty to educate our school children as well as protect them. It is up to them to determine how to do that. It is also true that they failed her in this instance. There are preventative measures that schools can take to stop bullying both on campus and online. Every time a student is bullied into taking their own drastic measures has been failed by the system. In this case, doubly so as on top of her being bullied into retaliation, she was punished by the system for being failed by the system.
Then you also shouldn't be saying that the school "failed" to do something, if you're not able to even articulate how it could have possibly succeeded in doing that something, no?
Only to a degree that makes sense, though. There's no way a school can ever stop a student from saying a mean thing to another student, for example. It can only punish after the fact (and "protect" implies prevention, not after-the-fact amelioration).
You can absolutely identify someone failing to do their job without fully understanding how to do said job. You know a bad doctor when you see one just as you know a bad cashier. I'm not a professional educator nor am I a child care professional. But I can absolutely tell when the people we trust to watch and teach our children every day, fail to do so.
But what's happening here is similar to a pharmacist being accused of failing to do their job because they filled a prescription that the patient's doctor erred in prescribing. It's absolutely not fair to blame the pharmacist for that.
It would be similarly unfair to accuse a cashier of not doing their job because they didn't apply a discount they were neither ever told about, nor was it labeled on the merchandise it was supposed to apply to, either.
Expecting a school to have the ability to prevent (again, that's the key word) an image, any image, being shared between students on the bus, is absurd. You can say they failed in appropriately punishing the act after the fact, but it is absolutely not fair to expect that the school can stop it from happening in the first place.
I'm not blaming any one person. I'm blaming the system that failed her.
Shit like this is so common that the instant I read the headline I thought, ok, so what really happened?
The infuriating thing is that by its own metric it worked; I got successfully baited into reading the article. Fuck these shitty news editors to infinity.
Are you sure though? What actual good did it do in the end; did it result in you doing anything of value or changing your mind on some topic? Or did it just make you a bit angry for a while before going about the rest of your day? (I'm not having a go at you by the way, it's the bait I'm irritated at)
I sympathize. We should be able to vigilante a MFer if the police will not open a case. Porch pirates stealing packages? Package traps and rocksalt in shotguns. Corrupt government officials ... guillotine. Jury nullify this shit.
That's my take as well. From what she says she was totally failed by the school and understandably was unhappy and angry. She tried to get others to assault him and for her to be so severely punished, it's possible her attack was quite severe or there was a history of problems.
Holy shit, this person needs to lose their job. I don't work in education and I still know that this is a huge problem everywhere.
You're right.
Evidence doesn't matter and we should always take students at their word.
Sounds they didn't even bother to search for evidence...
how can we know that in this particular instance they do exist? If this were a reliable way to get someone expelled without any evidence, then if I were a bully I'd accuse other people of making deepfakes of me.
They could ask around about them. Surely one kid would be willing to spill the beans. They're a bunch of 13-year-olds not criminal masterminds.
Yes, so they'd lie, anapchat itself is just a shitty idea
Well the police apparently found additional images depicting eight individuals and arrested two boys, so it seems like some tactic along these lines worked. Meanwhile the school administrators threw up their hands, called the situation "deeply complex," and did nothing but punish the victim.
Definitely agree that Snapchat is bad along with most social media and especially with kids. I can't imagine what it's like growing up in the current era with all this extra bullshit. I was lucky enough to grow up at a time where people didnt have the internet.
I'm a school bus driver and a few years ago I had an incident where some kids threw food at me on the bus (goldfish crackers, of all things). Another kid made a video recording of the incident and posted it online and that caused a huge kerfuffle at the school. The admins couldn't understand that I didn't give even the tiniest fuck about the posted video.
"So it doesn't piss you off that they posted a video? Because now we have to do something about it. And THAT doesn't that bother you at all?"
Your comment made me realize something. The week prior to this some of the kids threatened to kill me (via dad's gun and wrapping a plastic bag around my head) and the school did nothing. The goldfish-flinging incident got the kids suspended from the bus for a week. It didn't occur to me until now that perhaps the admins only did something because of the posted video.
Well in this particular instance they were able to find them and absolutely confirmed they do exist.
But to at least consider that risk, they should have at least been able to make the offenders scared they would get found out and they would at least stop actively doing it. They should have been able to squash the behavior even before they could realize a meaningful punishment.
I know when I was in school they would threaten punishment for things that hadn't been done yet. I think a lot of kids declined to do something because the school had indicated they knew kids would do something and that would turn out badly.
that's why I eat the drugs if they call me in for additional screening at the airport.
Expensive shit
At least the flight is pretty chill.
Completely depends on the drugs.
Oh man - " There's something on the wing!"
I know everyone's justifiably outraged over this, but this just makes my heart hurt.
Imagine being a 13-yr-old girl being terrorized by CP of yourself being spread around the entire school and the adults that are meant to protect you from such repulsive crimes just shrugging their shoulders.
It's horrifying.
Now imagine how often rapes get unreported for the exact same image, this is what being a woman in this world is like.
HARD life lesson, that the "authorities" (illegitimate hierarchies) are not there to serve and protect us. ... And that they'll even attack us if we attempt to protect ourselves.
Face the horror.
We have much to mend.
Can't mend what we don't face.
Face the horror.
We can still mend this.
If the Sheriff couldn't get the images, it's because he didn't bother to. It's a well known fact that Snapchat retains copies of all messages
I think the adults here were just tech-illiterate school administrators from small town Louisiana.
Is the allegation of CSAM enough to get a warrant? If the Sherrif saw it once then absolutely, but without that?
Edit: I do imagine if a child testified to receiving it that would be enough to get a warrant for their messages, which would then show it was true, which could then lead to a broader warrant. No child sharing it though would testify to that.
I'd mainly consider the smooth-brained part the assumption that tech companies willingly delete any data they have access to
Side note but doesn't this basically mean Snap has CSAM on their servers?
You can call them idiots but it is you who misremembers. Snapchat's role in the snappening was a failure to crack down on 3rd party clients.
Snapchat didn't store the photos (that we know of), a 3rd party app's server did
Why is the government allowing CP generating AI's to exist?
Because of who the president is?
Because the question was political. I'm sorry that you've got such a teeny tiny brain that you can't work out that if somebody asks a political question then the response must demonstrably be political. I don't know how else to put it.
You really want to go down the "which president wants to fuck his daughter" route?
You sure about that?
They are actively blocking restrictions on AI to serve their billionaire donors, so yes.
That's what you're going with? Good fuck
There is no reason to believe Biden is a villain here meanwhile trump was found to be a rapist in court
EVERYTHING is political these days, you just get tired of defending corrupt, traitor, racist, misogynist, ignorant, incompetent, PEDOPHILE.
And ANYONE who supports him are all those same things themselves. Repeat: ALL MAGAs are corrupt, treasonous, racist, misogynist, ignorant, incompetent, and PEDOPHILES.
That includes YOU. You are defending him, that makes YOU a PEDOPHILE.
Im with you mostly, but words do mean things, even in this post-fact society.
I understand that, which is why I want to make it very clear that anyone who voted for Trump is a Pedophile.
Don't like it? Don't vote for pedophiles.
Sure, bud.
I guess that makes all voters politicians, then?
Or just voters that defend politicians?
Not real clear how this transitive property is supposed to work.
No, just voters that are MAGAs, which supports and defends pedophiles as an official tentpost of their party philosophy.
It's simple: Anyone who supports and defends pedophiles is a pedophile. If you vote MAGA, which is ANY right wing/conservative candidate, then you are a Pedophile.
It's so simple, even a MAGA pedophile like you can understand it.
It's not political if its true, Trump is in the Epstein Files, after all
You dont know what politics is do you
Because our country is literally being run by an actual pedophile ring.
They'd be more likely to want to know how to do it themselves, than to stop it.
Because money is the only thing we, as a country, truly care about. We're only against things like CP and pedos as long as it doesn't get in the way of making money. Same reason Trump sharing Larry Nassar and Jeffrey Epstein's love of "young and nubile" women, as Epstein put it, didn't kill his political career -- he's the pro-business candidate who makes the wealthy even wealthier
The orange Nazi could be raping a 12 yr old girl on national tv, but say it's the libs and drag queens who are the rapists, and his cult with put their domestic terrorist hats back on
The problem is that it's impossible to take out this one application. There doesn't need to be any actual nude pictures of children in the training set for the model to figure out that a naked child is basically just a naked adult but smaller. (Ofc I'm simplifying a bit).
Even going further and saying let's remove all nakedness from our dataset, it's been tried... And what they found is that removing such a significant source of detailed pictures containing a lot of skin decreased the quality of any generated image that has to do with anatomy.
The solution is not a simple 'remove this from the training data'. (Not to mention existing models that are able to generate these kinds of pictures are impossible to globally disable even if you were to be able to affect future ones)
As to what could actually be done, applying and evolving scanning for such pictures (not on people's phones though [looking at you here EU].) That's the big problem here, it got shared on a very big social app, not some fringe privacy protecting app (there is little to do except eliminate all privacy if you'd want to eliminate it on this end)
Regulating this at the image generation level could also be rather effective. There aren't that many 13 year old savvy enough to set up a local model to generate there. So further checks at places where the images are generated would also help to some degree. Local generation is getting easier by the day to set up though, so while this should be implemented it won't do everything.
In conclusion: it's very hard to eliminate this, but ways exist to make it harder.
You say this as if the US is the only place generative AI models exist.
That said, the US (and basically every other) government is helpless against the tsunami of technology in general, much less global tech from companies in other countries.
I'm saying why is it so easy for like 12 year olds to find these sites? Its not exactly a pirate bay situation - you can't generate these kind of AI videos with just a website copied off a USB and an IP address.
These kind of resources should be far easier to shutdown access to than pirate bay.
Exactly. Snapchat could 100% filter and flag this using AI if anyone cared to make them.
Snapchat allowing this on their platform is the insane part to me. How are they still operating if they're letting CSAM on the platform??
The "totality and complex nature" is that they suck
and that they're shit. The system fucks up & amplifies the abuse.
This girl asked for help from the "responsible adults" around her, and they failed her. So she did what anyone else would do, she took matters into her own hands, and now she's seen as the "perpetrator," which gives themselves permission to ignore her situation, or worse, punish her for demanding they do their jobs.
Crazy thing is, if her story were a Netflix film, all those same losers would be rooting for her, and all indignant that the school in the story didn't back her up, but wasn't it cool how she went all crazy on the perverts with a machete?
But in real life? Nah, let's kick HER ass. They'll show this 13 year old child porn victim who's boss.
This problem won't stop until law enforcement starts treating deepfakes of minors as possession of child pornography with all the legal ramifications that come with it. Young boys need to understand that their actions have consequences.
In the meantime, no one under 18 should be on social media. I wish AI, deepfakes or in general, could just be illegal, but laws aren't catching up and people are being victimized.
100% AI image generation should be banned
That's how this school shit goes, zero tolerance really means zero critical thought. You were involved in a fight? That's school violence!
I always tell my personal story when this comes up. In high school I was beefing with my friend over some stupid shit. One day he put me in a headlock and started to fight me. With a free hand I reached up (very big guy btw, I was very small) and grabbed his glasses off his face and squeaked out to let go of me or I'd jam it into his eye. He spun me around and tried to knee me in the nuts (luckily missed) and then yelled at me. We both got suspended for fighting when all I did was get beat up by the guy.
"I bet it's the south"
Yup
Guidance Counselors, teachers and administrators don't like listening to kids anywhere. I use to get in trouble for fighting my bullies when the bullying happened right in front of the teacher.
Also, they will be razor focused on preserving authority over making things right.
When they make a mistake, well no they didn't because to admit a mistake is to acknowledge being fallible and to be fallible is to undermine your authority.
In this case they still torpedoed her shot at extracurricular activities even after amending in the face of overwhelming data that the girl reasonably felt zero recourse after doing everything the right way to start.
I hope the kid that created these gets the shit beat out of him.
I mean, it’s dissemination of CSAM. He’s getting worse than a beating.
Since the offender is a child themself, it isn't going to be treated as severely.
No, they usually are. Even kids sharing their own nudes with their SO privately have the book thrown at them, these kids are making CSAM of a third party and distributing them across the school.
The boy probably has networked parents, gonna be the future Mark Zuckerberg
It would be great if the SEO gods forever associated the names of the superintendent and principal with their public positions of support for child pornographers.
Just like that rapist Brock Turner.
Yeah like the rapist Brock Turner.
I dont recall what he changed it to, but the rapist Brock Turner is going by a different name now.
I see Louisiana is living up to its international reputation.
I suggest they return the favor with tiny little pee pees. Tit for tat is better than a punch in the face.
In what world?
All the staff at that school who were involved should be charged with child pornography.
In 2011, when I was fourteen, I was outed as trans by someone that I thought was my best friend. As a result, three of my classmates raped me with an object on school grounds before classes began one morning. I reported it to the principal. Her response was “Well, that’s what happens. What have we learned?”, basically saying that me being trans meant that I should have expected to be raped and that I’d deserved it.
(Previously, one of the rapists had taken a nude photo of me while I was changing and uploaded it to MySpace. I had also reported this to the principal, and she’d told me I was “creating problems where there are none”. MySpace took it down at least, so I guess Tom cared more about my safety than the adult whose literal job was to protect kids.)
I was very, very quickly expelled from the school after the rape. I’m not sure what the official “reason” given was, my parents didn’t tell me. They also didn’t fight it, considering what had happened. I had to be homeschooled until graduation.
I became selectively mute after this, a problem that remains to this day. The rapists never got punished for what they did to me. The local PD (in Texas) never followed up on the report my parents made.
Sad that nothing’s changed about how schools handle sexual abuse in the almost-fifteen-years that have passed since then.
I have no words other than to say I am deeply sorry that this happened to you. What a truly atrocious story. I sincerely hope you can heal from this trauma.
Good guy tom… also wtf
AI is just highlighting existing issues in society, like sexism.
Nothing is real or can be considered real anymore. We are going to need new frameworks to handle a world where video of illegal or embarrassing things can be trivially created by anyone.
People saying the Ai vendor should be liable, but that's short-sighted for a world where anyone can do this at home with largely anonymous distribution.
Yeah, the people saying that need to check the logic. That's much like as absurd as saying manufacturers of kitchen knives should be liable for harmful abuses using kitchen knives.
Create deep fakes of the staff and faculty. Email it to them and their spouses. See if they understand how damaging it is after that. I'm sure they'll want to give you a knuckle sandwich. Fuck them! If it were my child I would have stood by her decision
Your heart is in the right place, but this is the deep south. That action by a local would likely end in the sheriff's office kicking in your door with a no-knock raid, shooting your dog and maybe also you.
When powerless people (like the girl in this article) complain they are dismissed and treated with suspicion by the authorities.
When the authorities complain their peers respond rapidly and with excessive force.
This is commonly called authoritarianism, but in the US they prefer the euphemism 'weak governance' because '-ism' words are unpopular.
It's as I told the other guy: if I were serious (and I'm not), it's not like I would hand deliver the contraband
Get sentenced to jail while the original person creating the deepfake of the student goes unpunished.
If I were serious I wouldn't be showing it to them in person 🤨
For years [decades even] I've sought (inadequately) to avoid cameras, aware (in part from my art and special effects aptitude and education) this sort of thing and more, were coming. And now it's here. And maybe now more mice will realise, in the trap, that it's a trap. :/ Wasn't an easy thing to try to warn people about, when so many were incapable of conceiving of the threat. Let alone to get sufficient awareness in sufficient people to affect good change to avert such. Though, mostly I'd only considered the threat from government & corporations. Here now it's in the hands of almost anyone. And far faster and easier. What "fun". :-|
I didn't really think about it until Nano Banana Pro became a thing, before I knew it was possible but it would be so obvious AI. But now? It's not obvious now. I even consider creating a digital avatar that I use instead of my own face.
Yup:
The notion has popped into my thoughts many times.
Like a no-skill puppet to hide behind to preserve privacy while still putting stuff out there.
Yes exactly!
It somehow feels more doable now since avatars on other sites are becoming more common, I mostly think of Facebook/Meta and Snapchat. But also generated images that have been trending, "me as action-figure", "me in ghibli style" etc. and even filters that people use consistently.
I think people are getting more used to seeing different types of avatars.
I'm sure this would fall under child por n federal laws. But since you to 40% of law enforcement are self admitted domestic violence abusers, they may not want to investigate themselves
I wonder if she posted nudes of the boy on revenge if any action would have been taken against her.
She would have been expelled and probably charged with something.
Well seems like if spread on snap chat its ok.
Not supporting the action just seems like another example of law has no power to help you but will punish you.
The classmates who created and shared them should be arrested and charged with distributing CSAM. It’s unimaginable that this would be tolerated to such an extent and then the victim punished when they are given no other option but to stand up for themselves. This country is sick to it’s core.
They should be expelled, but why would children be tried the same as an adult doing this? They're the same age, it's not pedophilia, it's normal expected attraction. Anything beyond expulsion and whatever goes with ai porn harassment between adults is a huge overreaction.
Would you want two consenting teenagers arrested for csam if they're texting each other nudes? I would hope not
If I can play somewhat the opposite here ….. this girl was completely failed by the school system and those parents ought to be demanding serious changes.
But also schools make what seem unfair actions when they don’t have evidence, can’t identify all the perpetrators and want to get the victim away from her bullies. Even if the school did the right thing about taking it seriously, we probably wouldn’t like their actions
And even sending the bullies to jail with a kiddie porn conviction may be satisfying but is a bad choice. Bullying your classmates is not really the same as kiddie porn and schools need to find better ways to handle punishment to try to graduate a responsible mature member of society rather than graduate a lifelong criminal
Shoulda let ol Doc Millsap get aholda dem boys
So she provably assaulted someone over an unprovable claim and got punished. Sounds like every case of bullying I've ever heard.
But it was provable, the police charged the boys.
Charges aren't evidence of truth.
Charging someone doesn't really mean anything.
Let's see if they can get a conviction.
The only new thing here—from a societal standpoint—is a student being expelled for a single incident of fighting (zero tolerance policies).
Bullying and blackmailing people using manipulated images dates back to the invention of the camera.
https://petapixel.com/2025/11/29/113-years-ago-the-us-tried-to-outlaw-fake-photographs/?hl=en-US#%3A%7E%3Atext=Reports+from+the+era+describe%2CPhoto+Pushed+Washington+Too+Far
I remember when Photoshop started to become easily pirated (via AOL, LOL). Around that time, kids we using it to paste girls faces on to other naked women's bodies. I also remember news articles from when Facebook was still new, with people creating fake profiles of people and sharing similarly-manipulated images.
What we need is for kids to be taught (in school) the first rule of porn: IT IS FAKE. Bullying will never cease but at the very least we can teach kids not to react so strongly to fake, transient nonsense about them.
They need to be reminded that when someone does something like generating a deepfake of them, it has no bearing on their life until it is distributed. They need to be taught how to gather evidence and the correct places to report such things.
We don't teach kids such things in school because schools want discretion. Since schools are so obviously failing to NOT abuse their powers of discretion with zero-tolerance policies, perhaps we should take that away.
She was being sexually harassed, not bullied. Bullying is serious, sexual harassment is a crime. Whether the images are real or not is immaterial, it would still be sexual harassment if they were passing around a drawing of a nude stick figure with her face pasted on it.
Allowing children to be sexually harassed by their peers and then expelling them for trying to stop the sexual harassment is insane, and so is the idea that you need to teach them to shut up and take it as a way to deal with it.
Sexual harassment is a crime at work. Outside of that, it's just another form of bullying/harassment.
Assholes will catgall girls as they walk past but that's not illegal. It's no different than shouting explitives at minorities. It's a dick move, but it's not illegal. Not in the US, anyway (because of the First Amendment).
I'd also like to point out that she didn't get expelled for "trying to stop" the bullying. She got expelled for violence (against the bullies). That is why I think it's the zero-tolerance policies that are a huge part of the problem.
If a girl slaps a boy that's harassing her, there's very little actual consequences from that. The boy might be sore for a day or two but he might leave her alone after that. Yet our policies forbid this in the most extreme way possible. It's like being put to death for trampling flowers.
If what the boys did wasn’t illegal why did the sheriff’s office charge them with a crime but not her?
Do you have any idea what Title IX is or how sexual harassment falls under it?
Also, she did try to stop the bullies by reporting it to the adults in charge at the school. They have a duty to act, and they failed her. Stopping them with force was the only option left to her that would actually stop the sexual harassment, and it was a completely reasonable path to take. If more teenage boys got fuckin popped one for sexually harassing their peers maybe they’d think twice about it.
You're suggesting that people can only be sexually harassed at work?
Lol what?
Not from 13 year olds... what has changed now is the ability to create hyper realistic porn from a picture in seconds with one button click... that is very, very different from the past and glazing it over like this has existed forever is disingenuous.
Blaming the technology is useless and unhelpful. It's like blaming Photoshop for letting people remove their faces from obvious CSAM.
Kids need to be taught about this stuff! Bitching and trying to regulate the tech is a pointless waste of time. Teaching children how to deal with it is the only realistic thing that can be done.
You not addressing my point is showing how weak your argument is, just an fyi.
Ah yes, make no regulatory framework and just the the kids sort it out without any possible help from the system, sounds brilliant.
The kids seem to know about this stuff just fine. It's not some lack of knowledge that was the problem here.
Tell me you don't have kids without telling me you don't have kids.
Or tell me you're so old you forgot what being a middle schooler was like.
I would 100% support my daughters if they punched someone over this. I'm very passive generally, but I would burn the earth these abusers stand on because of my own life experiences. I'd struggle not to overstep my kids' wishes.
Someone needs to remind you how to fucking read, because the images were being distributed and that was why the girls went to the guidance counselor and the police before resorting to violence.
Yes. I read that. I also said what I said.
I'm failing to see the issue.
People freak TF out because things like deepfakes exist. We need to be rational about stuff like this. Manipulating photos and videos isn't going away. The only point where we can reasonably do something about it is at the point of distribution.
I don't think you read it. You said " it has no bearing on their life until it is distributed." It was being distributed! You said " They need to be taught how to gather evidence and the correct places to report such things." They did that too, they went to the school and the police. What the fuck else were they supposed to do? Steal their phones to gather evidence? Get real.
It was only when they beat these little pigglets' asses that the police actually got serious, now the boys are facing charges.
We can reasonably search the phones of teenagers that are trading child porn. It just didn't happen because, I guess, the school and police didn't care about what is essentially a child porn trading network that was exploiting and hurting young girls.
I can be morally outraged by things that aren't illegal. I might be morally outraged enough, and have enough people agree with me, to make that thing illegal. People used to get slapped or beaten for saying inappropriate things like this. These boys learned that the rules of polite society may not be upheld if they aren't also polite.
It's okay for people to get outraged that other people do shitty things. I don't think that has much bearing since the kids in question did shitty and illegal things, but keep on holding onto that belief.
Dude is has been casually excusing CP this whole time. Like wtf.
This is trash. All of it.
While that has value, this is also sexual harassment. It wouldn't be accepted in the workplace without a lawsuit.
You can literally say that about any crime, including rape; it's an awful take.
You isolate whoever did it and who spread it and give them 1000 hours of community service.
Not really a fair comparison. And sadly he has a point. This is only going to get worse as the software gets better and easier to obtain. Identifying who actually spread it is also going to keep getting harder unless you allow the government to have full access to anything you do on your phone and such. Which would have a lot of very bad side effects.
I do disagree with the person on the ignore it part. It shouldn't be ignored. It should be sought out and punished heavily as you suggest. But you need a two prong approach where trying to stop it is one, and working to build confidence in our daughters so that they can better deal with this inevitably increaseing activity. I honestly worry more about people using such generated imagery to extort girls into doing things they don't want to do. And only confidence in themselves can protect them from that. But in this world, it's hard to build confidence in much of anything.
Are you kidding me? You can't ignore rape, lol.
You also can't ignore fake porn being made of you, that's the point they were making. Do you know how violating that is? People still tell women to ignore sexual harassment and rape all the fucking time. None of these are solutions except for those who want to sweep these issues under the rug.
Holy fucking christ that is the biggest steaming dump of a take I've ever seen.
Not if it's being distributed to others or you are being harassed by it.
Basically if you possibly even know that it has been done, then it's a bigger problem than the material itself.
If, hypothetically, a boy ran a local model to generate such material for himself without ever sharing, then well it's obviously going to be ignored because no one else in the world even knows it exists. The moment another person becomes a party to the material, it is injurious to the subject.
In Germany they have a law to where you own your own image so people cannot use your image without your permission.
Cannot legally use your image.
That doesn't stop assholes from doing it and hoping to get away with it.
Yeah but you could sue maybe
There's always the option of holding people accountable. The problem is that our society thinks that abusing women is the right of men.
I'm just going ignore the fuckwits who think this is something to be ignored. "Stabbings are going to happen so we sound just learn to ignore them." This idiotic logic could be applied to basically everything. People WILL break the rules, sure, and your response is "just let rampant child porn be a thing because it's going to happen anyway." No, you still try to prevent the bad thing from happening, because it will happen a lot more if you don't.
Okay,. I hope you have all enjoyed venting your emotions on the matter. Empathy is absolutely appreciated. Now going forward, may I set an example here and ask you all to do similar in the future: Include how it could have been handled better.
There are many ways to go at a situation like this. Teach the kids some social skills. Just a few off the top:
I understand, not always easy, more so at that age and dependent on personality. This style can be expanded, make it a thing. Nix the bullshx.
Nah, sometimes people need their asses beat.
When all else fails, sure.
When someone is passing around nude pictures of you and you've already went to the adults for help and got nowhere it is.
That would be the "when all else fails" part
I responded to the wrong comment. My bad.
Yes, we should be teaching 13 year old girls that violence is the answer.
🙄
When law enforcement and educators have failed you, maybe violence is the answer sometimes.
For someone that isn't violent towards you, anyone else, or your property?
I dunno... but maybe we were just raised differently. I couldn't imagine getting into a fight with someone in the real world over this. It'd be very dangerous and it's just not worth the risk.
I'd rather ignore them and move on, lol.
Yeah, you say that easily but nobody is spreading nudes of yours around, AI generated or not.
Violence isn't a solution but if it's the only option left, like it appeared here, it's justifiable.
That doesn't go to mention that, as per usual, in the US, the bullies are protected and the victims get their lives utterly destroyed. This little girl got expelled and had to switch schools because of what others did, and you're defending the bullies because of what exactly?
And your "suck it up" advise also seems to be a bit weird, considering this is child pornography.
People like you are the reason the world is in the state it is. If more assholes got the shit stomped out of them whenever they did asshole shit, we'd be a lot better off. Instead you motherfuckers expect everyone to turn the other cheek and get walked all over.
You have to be rage baiting.
*rage collecting.
Not exactly. Be aware that this is a pandora's box sort of situation. The point is primarily to point focus towards the root of the issue: Proper parenting (and education).
No, it's not. That's not what a "pandora’s box" is. It's also not the victim's responsibility to address the root cause.
I do not understand your point, please elaborate.
Surprisingly effective! ^^
The Sheriff could have actually investigated. Snapchat retains copies of all messages sent, so the excuse that the messages are quickly deleted is entirely hollow. This is the production and distribution of CSAM, a very serious crime. The school should have cracked down on phone use while investigating a very serious crime
These are children. I cannot emphasize that enough. Children are being used for sexual gratification against their will. Your response to that is "own it"? You may want to review your position here
And in what way would that make the child being sexually exploited whole? It does not stop the person creating it. It does not stop them distributing it. In what way does belittling other children help her?
To reiterate one more time, this is a 13-year-old girl being sexually exploited against her will, yet here you are sounding like the President of the United States on a trip to Epstein island
There, a real answer, thank you! :)
Your points 2, 3, and 4 would be possible options for adults, maybe for 18+.
But for a 13 year old it is defacto usexualizing a child.
God, I hope this doesn't get deleted because it needs to stay up. It's a great example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
I fully agree that it is very inappropriate.
Yeah you lame 13 year olds, can’t you even get laid?
The considered 'appropriate' age for sex varies across cultures. If we cool our heads and face reality: Many humans start showing interest in sex at even younger ages. Again: Parenting, education.
You clearly don't have kids or work in a school. Your advice is trash.
Interesting and incorrect analysis. Would you like to add some substance, or did you just need to vent?