Foreign tourists could be required to disclose 5 years of social media histories under Trump administration plan
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Yet another reason to avoid the US as a tourist. Looks like hotels and airlines did not bribe Trump sufficiently.
Seriously, this is so stupid. I'm never setting foot in US soil ever again.
What if we Holy Roman Empire and the feds just become a figurehead element?
Lemmy is social media
Lemmy is just a malagasi fish-basket hand-weaving forum for enthusiasts though.
Not yet rotten by algorithmic rot, I think as well. I see quite lovely comment sections and doesn't feel infested with bots.
Could be wrong though, if anyone has any insight please provide!
Tbh the fundamentally fragmented, federated model the fediverse uses as a core design element does seem like it’d be far harder to centralize and comprehensively corrupt.
Definitely agreed with that, which is why I like it so far but am just worried or hold back. Hope there is going to be more activity on the whole system.
I see it as a win-win. I only have to open the app for a bit while on the loo. I don't give a damn about hemorrhoids, this is my shitposting time!
Pre-sleep bedtime screentime is now reserved for Balatro (likely equally terrible to social media feed) or light reading (probably miles above those, but pales in comparison to paperback).
also less potential for AI slop too, reddit has been infested with so much bot, AI posts.
Wish there was far more clarity for any platform to see that. The dead internet theory isn't a wild concept anymore.
Forums are social media now
o rly?
People are already boycotting the us, they don't need another reason.
Tourism is only down 30% or so. So maybe they do need more reasons.
I can't believe it's so little. Do they not know what's happening here?
People are into sunk costs and book well in advance. A lot of that 30% is no-money-back cancellations.
Wait until you see next year.
I personally know Canadians who are still going back to the Untied States for half the year and I'm confused as to how they're not deeply ashamed. Do they not know? Can they really be that oblivious?
Their right wing is trying to crib some (not all) notes from Trump, so I'd imagine those Canadians are the ones who think what Trump is doing is fine.
FAFO
Is this 30% down in foreign tourist (like people crossing border with the intention of a tourist visit) or 30% down in tourist industry revenue?
If it's revenue that's huge. Because a lot of tourism is just Americans going to tourist destinations. Though I'm sure some of that drop is coming from Americans also not being able to afford vacations.
If it's 30% down of actual foreign tourist travel that's less than I'd expect too. But still beyond devastating to the tourist industry. Between that and the explosion of online gambling, I know Vegas is hurting so much right now.
Ok so if I have to travel to the US for work, I will now require my employer to give me a burner phone with a burner number.
How will they prove that I have any social media history?
It depends on their relationship with the social media companies. There's a good chance companies like Meta have already given the authorities a lot of data on their users. US law enforcement might already know about some of your accounts based on your identity, and then claiming you have none might not work well.
Does this hold true if you don't use any meta apps? Or maybe no meta apps except WhatsApp or something which is not a public discourse medium anyway?
Have you heard about 'age verification' to 'protect the children'? You too will be age verified. They will know all your accounts. That's the whole point of age verification. It is to eliminate anonymity.
I am well aware of the bullshit that the politicians are using abused kids to push through.
Only if you actually use it.
Yes, only if you actually use it. But the question was: How will they prove that I have any social media history? the premise being that one can deny the existence of any history while actually using social media. Age verification will make this increasingly difficult and risky. If you use social media and deny it and they can prove you lied about using it, there will be consequences.
Every app that asks for my face I either don't sign up or turn on the VPN.
Although the airport takes a face scan now so maybe it's a moot point
If you can't prove Social Media history, you don't get in, they arrest you, and deport you without due process to a life sentence in an El Salvador torture prison where you'll never be heard from again.
Just tell your employer you're not going.
My employer issues us with a wiped laptop that we can restore from cloud storage over our VPN once we're in-country. Before we return, we back it up and scrub it again. When I go to the US, I always bring a low-functioning burner phone as well.
Hard to say what the US government knows, or admits to knowing, about your social media usage. I almost completely stopped using social media a few years ago, except for Lemmy, and overwrote all my posts with lorem ipsum, as well as never having accessed it before that without using a VPN and doing some other obfuscation, so it'd take some effort to associate me with anything but some boring Facebook and LinkedIn updates I maintain so that certain people can still get in touch with me.
Just tell them you were born yesterday
If it's a US based company, the NSA has all of your web traffic to the site.
Facial recognition software.
You already need to provide all this for a work visa.
Did you not see the group of tech billionaires behind Trump when he was sworn in?
No, I know they were there, but I didn't watch the event as I had better things to do with my time.
Yeah. But that answers the question you posted about how they will know if you have social media or not. That was my point. Not whether you literally watched it or not.
The US are really working hard to get prohibition, 30's great depression, and McCarthyism all at once.
Some other things from the 30s, too.
The snazzy European uniforms?
Speed run
I don't even remember all the reddit account I had in the previous 5 years
Off to El Salvador with you!
Why did you have more than 1?
Posting.
Porn.
Weird porn.
Furry porn.
Backing myself up in arguments.
I basically made a new throw away account everytime I needed to post in some stupid support forum that only existed on reddit.
Unfortunately, many companies think reddit is a valid place for support forums these days. I try to avoid any such companies now.
I'll take open and indexable Reddit support forums over walled off Discord servers any day.
same here, i used throwawayacc for asking a specific question in my "locations sub"
Had me in the first half lmao
One for serious posts that you don't mind being linked back to you professionally, and one for shitting all over trump.
See ya in five years if there is much left to see 👍
Shitting over Trump is not serious? Hmmm!
accounts for political.news subs have a tendancies to be banned for one reason or another more than other accounts,.
Change every so and on to maintain some sense of privacy, it won't work against reddit or th US gov, but at least may avoi that people look too far in my comment history, then I had to deal with a ban... for telling people to move to lemmy
to spread out , risk mitigation of reddits tendancies to ban people. i had accounts for certain niches that doesnt want to interact more "controversial" subs. unfortunately this year around reddit filters targeted all accounts at once as potential spam, ban evasion.
Lots of mods will dig through your history and ban based on activity in other subs. Having themed accounts helps segment your content. I had separate accounts for hobbies, anything political, and local stuff. I don't want those things linked.
I also deleted accounts every so often to start fresh. Except for the hobby one, that was neutral enough that I let it stay until I completely left Reddit.
most of them wouldve been banned already, or become shadowban, if they suddenly became active. reddit now sees inactive accounts and new accounts as potential botting.
I feel sorry for anyone who has to go for work; I imagine tourists will choose another place to go.
A lot of places are finding workarounds in order to not deal with this and potentially open up serious legal avenues. I know my company is actively avoiding sending anyone here from anywhere else because of shit like this.
We have special cell phones for travel to China and the US. However all travel to those hellholes has to be approved by the CEO and will only be approved of it is absolutely necessary for contract negotiations.
I wish my employer did that. Instead, people go freely back with their company issued phones and notebooks. 🙄 All the security we have as certification requirements is moot when we bring these devices back into our network like it's totally fine.
It's not a real possibility for me, but I'd absolutely say no, if anyone tried to send me there.
You think it's going to stop there? US citizens will soon have to do the same, or be on the no fly list.
Those lazy fucks, they've already had those data for years!
I will stop flying if it comes to that
Luckily you guys have land borders. Unluckily they might start patrolling them for people escaping too.
Jokes on them. I dont use social media. Will they deny me because i dont?
..on a social media...
Let them prove it.
Probably, or at least a lengthy interrogation
It's like getting banned from smacking my own balls with a hammer.
Oh noes!
You realize that you don't have to go to Florida?
But how else am I supposed to pet the alligators? Do you seriously expect me to go all the way to Africa to pet the crocodiles in the Nile instead?
"In addition to social media histories, Customs and Border Protection would add other new data collection fields, including email addresses and telephone numbers used in the last five years, as well as the addresses and names of family members, the notice reads."
Wtf I was planning to visit NYC but this is crazy man.
sounds like they want to feed it into AI and other survellience tech like palintir.
We have already postponed our Disney trip until the cheeto is gone.
I am prepared to go to Europe or Japan instead though if America can't figure its issues out.
And I suppose I'll continue my plan of staying the hell away until this administration is long gone
This feels pretty hard to enforce, are they gonna let people self select what they provide or are they perhaps going to give a list of services to give accounts for? The latter would have me looking either like a ghost that disappeared about 7 years ago (for most public social media) or one that disappeared about 3 years ago (if Reddit is included)
What happens to people who don't use social media at all? Are they going to be treated with suspicion?
Based on past performance, the next Democrat administration will repeal maybe 50% of these changes at most.
they almost never fully repeal any invasive piracy legislation when they get into power, which is why they are called republican lite.
We're probably going to find out eventually. For instance, I have never once in my life had any manner of account for any traditional social media. Just reddit (not anymore) and here. That's it.
So good luck with that, fuckers.
I've only used Reddit (also not anymore) and here. None of the more traditional social media such as Facebook, Xitter, TikTok, and whatever else people are using these days.
Oh, I do have a LinkedIn. I only update it when I change jobs.
I don't know why anyone is still visiting the Untied States but I hope this deters them
funny they dont report in the news how the red areas that are dependant on tourism is actually doing. the gop dont want alarm thier own supporters how bad the situation is, just like they are reporting the news, that trump is using the tariff money to pay off the farmers right now.
Lol yeah just keep pushing people away you fascist fucks.
Your world is closing in, and soon a cross hair will be in visible.
The history you follow is your doom.
Ha! I deleted my Facebook account more than 5 years ago.
Like I would ever want to visit the US under Trump to begin with.
If I'm not mistaken, people who said they don't have any are beeing held for questioning and interrogations, or maybe even denied access. I vaguely remember reading an article about this a while back, so it may not help you as much as you think.
They can (how long can they hold you based on suspicion alone?) and will cause you a lot of trouble if they don't like what you give them.
This is what I've been thinking about. What do they do with people that intentionally avoid social media? Is it simply presumed they're hiding something? To that end, would it make sense to run a 'fake' social media account where they just post and share the most politically neutral/milquetoast memes and commentary just so there's something in their history? I have always disliked the idea that one simply has to interact with social media or else be labeled an outcast/weirdo/suspicious person.
It feels like it comes from the same school of thought that the Internet and/or computers need to be used for everything...i don't like the way society continues moving away from "real" methods of paying bills and handling important personal affairs by replacing the old ways with "better" online alternatives. There are definitely benefits to both approaches, i just don't like when a "paper option" gets eliminated entirely in favor of electronic.
Just having a senior moment over here, please forgive my rambling 👴
Ding ding ding, now we're finally getting somewhere here.
I'm beginning to believe the point to all this is to, if you'll excuse the cliche, "literally become 1984". They want to normalize the idea of having your every thought and action recorded and monitored across state-surveilled social media platforms.
So if for some reason you take a weekend holiday up in New England and decide to keep that to yourself? Now it's suspicious. What were you doing in Vermont? Meeting up with other communists? Planning a revolution, perhaps? Detained.
Well now i wish i didn't ask, lol! That's terrifying! 🫠
Fully agree, though.
I've considered making a decoy account on some of these. Just keep it light and talk about sportsball, or discussion about hobbies. Nothing heated with rivalries either, just go team!!! And be very sportsmanlike when the other team wins.
I could see them detaining you simply for having linux on your laptop. If they can't navigate around it then you're obviously up to no good. I don't use a display manager and could see them cuffing me simply because you need to login to my machine via TTY and know which WM i'm using.
Five? Child.
But seriously, don’t visit. There’s nothing here that is good at the moment. There are other Disney theme parks and… Tall buildings?
Unfortunately, some of us have family there. I indeed shat my pants at the airport this March and it only got worse since then.
Your family can visit you
Youre absolutely right, however many Americans are very hesitant to travel overseas unfortunately and that applies to my partner's and my family, too.
They might not get let back in.
Win win!!
What makes them think that I even have a 5 year old account on any social media platform?
"Sorry, you can't enter the US unless you have a social media account"
Unless you have a FIVE YEAR OLD Social Media account.
This is social media. It also includes email accounts and phone numbers.
I guess I'm going have to get some sort of Social Media account that I don't currently use, and keep up with fake postings, just so I have something to show the Redhats when they stop my on the street and say "Ihre papiere, bitte!"
Wow. Even China doesn't do that.
edit Might be that they don't need to get it from you
Ikr? Yet people are so afraid to visit China by contrast...
(Not that I blame theme)
Between China and the US I'd currently be less worried about visiting China. And I'm a white dude who has bashed the CCP online plenty.
Lest we forget the Michaels.
china cares more about money, they do suppress news about thier country often to not scare away tourists.
I've been sending emails to hotel companies and urging them to oppose this. I urge you to contact your congresspeople and also companies in the travel, hospitality and tourism industry and demand they oppose this policy and more broadly ask them to stand up to Trump because he's causing people to rightfully boycott the US.
Also to everyone who is boycotting the US thank you so so much, I'm really grateful and as are so many Americans who also hate what the Trump regime is doing. The more people who boycott the more pressure it will put on companies to finally stand up against the Trump regime.
Yeah man, just remember we love you guys despite your insane government.
Perfect fit
🤦🏻♀️ What about the people who don't use social media? Or have used social media for less than 5 years?
Or people who disclose a suspiciously wholesome 5 years of social media use? Or use social media platforms that allow backdated posts - how well are those going to be scrutinised?
Why am I even asking? This is all so stupid. People only want to travel to places where they won't be immediately grilled on what they think of the dictator. (...Out of curiosity, what's the process like for North Korea? Strictly for comparison.)
I'm pretty sure the only posts I've put on Facebook in the past five years are all a version of, "Hey, I'm just checking in so y'all know I'm still alive." I haven't updated my personal information on there in about a decade.
If they find out, out the door you go.
Chill bro, we didn't need another reason not to visit. We got it.
More and more non-usa folks no longer want to see Mickey Mouse, Hollywood or the one-armed bandits.
None of you better come here. I'm not saying this because I don't want you here, I'm saying it because we are literally on fire right now. We have a lot of finding out to do.
Check under your couch for Russians. Or Venezuelans. Or is it Chinese? Whatever it is, it's certainly not a home-made problem.
More realistically: tourists will just stop coming here.
Maybe that's the intent?
I mean it genuinely is, seems like others are still in denial and not getting the message.
European: Haha, yeah I hate foreigners too! Now, onto our vacation in the Florida Keys-
Trump: No, you. I meant you. Get out.
This is our daily reminder that the Republican party has revoked the US Constitution in its entirety.
Or, and hear me out on this, he can fuck right off.
Then again I'm not the target for this type of tyrannical despotism because there's absolutely no chance I'd ever willingly visit that place.
You're not the target yet
I'll start creating and selling accounts.
Dear Trump administration... I've already decided never to visit the US, you don't have to sell it to me.
Wow. Next year's World Cup is going to be either the biggest debacle, or played to empty stadiums (in the USA anyway). What a complete and utter fuck up.
Lol - looks like my old man is never getting to the US. He posts at least 1 meme a day on Facebook that comedically shits on Trump. It's become something of an obsession.
Meanwhile, my brother-in-law is hoping to get to Boston with my nephew to watch Scotland play at the world cup. He's been frantically un-liking dad's posts and deleting his own for days.
Soon it will be easier to visit North Korea than the USA, which I suspect is the plan.
Another reason to never set foot in the fascist states of dumberikkka ever again!!
How on earth can the people who voted for this piece of shit not see him for the coward that he is?
People who wanted this to happen so they can turn the country into another isolated ethnic state.
This should be in Not the Onion. This is so farcical.
Why not just ban tourism. Wouldn't that be easier?
Relevant
I wouldn't be surprised if that's what's next.
That video was awesome.
And then banning us from travel.
Yea yea got it, US geography is all nice and that but I am not trying to visit there until there is zero chance of getting detained by ICE or border control "because of reasons".
You can always be white and rich, that usually works.
Not that I'd ever go to that shithole but what fucking social media?
FIFA world cup is going to be a shit show.
No thanks
That's WILD hahahaha
I understand relatives and work, but anyone out there who is still "touring" the US at this point deserves their Darwin Award.
Ah, classic
Even after Trump is gone, I'm determined to never say foot in the states again. I always wanted to go to DEFCON though. Guess that isn't going to happen unless it moves.
Good thing I never deleted my linkedin, that should be much cleaner than fediverse accounts
Pass
The joke's on them. I've been gone from facebook for 10 years lol