Gavin Newsom opposes California ‘billionaire tax’ as he eyes 2028 White House bid
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And so it begins. Abandon all progressive ideas to appeal to the "centrist", only to lose to the fascist again. I hate it here.
Gavin never supported progressive ideals?
Eh, early in his term he did a bunch of good stuff, it's just rightly overshadowed by the bad stuff.
Yeah and while he’s probably not enough of a progressive, he also might not be bothering with the billionaire tax because the billionaires would all just fly off Hawaii or Nevada or Jackson Hole or wherever to avoid paying it anyway.
It needs to be nationwide, but Newsom probably wouldn’t do that as president either. Too many billionaire pals and donors.
That basically never actually happens. See: New York.
You can't abandon ideals that you never held.
This guy fuckmurders the homeless while whoring for billionaires. Why the fuck should anyone vote for this prick?
His sales pitch is centered around "I'm not a Republican^tm^!"
Most people on this planet don't lose a second of sleep or shed one tear if the poor die, including the poor.
On the assumption that we are able to vote at the time, if it's between him and
<insertAuthoritarianDouchebagHere>, I'll vote for him.However, I'd imagine that most of my fellow U. S. Citizens are well aware that this sheister is not some sort of "friend" of the poor and the middle class.
I'd vote for him over Trump, but he has not won me over by any stretch, just like Harris, Biden, and (Hillary) Clinton.
A fun PR person sending tweets is insufficient to win my vote. I wouldn't be voting for him, I'd be voting against Trump, as has been the case each time Trump has been on the ballot.
He's also pro-genocide.
You're not voting for him. You're voting against the other guy.
THATS. HOW. TRUMP. WON.
How have ppl not realized not being Trump can't be your entire platform!?!?
I think Gavin is counting on voting laws not changing and him going against a different Republican challenger instead of Trump.
I’m personally hoping a different candidate wins the Democratic primary instead of Gavin, and I would support a more progressive option in the primary instead in 2028.
You’re 100% right that actually selling a platform matters more than chasing Republicans. Dems not even trying to sell anything more than a lukewarm, water down platform is what hammered them in 2024.
People need hope and we need Presidential candidates willing to bake risk into their messaging, such as passing Universal Healthcare and a Universal Basic Income program. Voters will move if a leader is compelling with their messaging and shows that the positive change they could bring would matter to them personally.
Then vote in the fucking primary. I. The general you sit up and back the better candidate no matter how shit.
Seconded.
First of all, Harris' tax plan was to tax unrealized gains over $1M would effectively make all Billionaire's income go limp dick, and possibly reverse the deficit at the same time, so this is actually a worse choice.
Second, how did that fucking go? Huh? 2024 was an easy decision. 2016 was an easy decision. People keep fucking it up. No matter who wins the primary, we need to be out there promoting NotARepublican™.
demnotcracy sucks.
1.5 party rule is in a binary context. First past the post is not floating point; it is integer. That truncates to bits. Sounds more like a cultural norms disease of spurious sophistry through self-denigration.
At this point in time I'm pretty sure you would win in a landslide if you ran on taxing billionaires. Is being greedy a requirement to be a politician in the US?
If you're not greedy, the billionaires won't fund your campaign. Then you lose.
Exactly.
Huh. What got deleted by a mod if you agree?
Don't know. What got deleted?
Whatever you were replying to.
The thing I replied to says, "That would only be true if most people couldn’t think for themselves and it was possible to spend money to influence their opinion".
Well, added context is billionaires won't fund your campaign causing your public relations to drop. Then you lose.
We shouldn't just scapegoat the rich for something that tens of millions of people vote for while tens of millions more don't vote at all.
Irrelevant context. As a great sage once said
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice
This is a binary system one OR the other will win. There is no other outcome. You either push to influence it in a better or worse direction you dont get to sit it out. The result WILL effect you.
It is relevant and important context because we solve this problem by convincing the millions of people, not the rich.
A wise famous playwrite once said:
"Putting the cart before the horse ".
"Putting the cart before the horse"
Which is what youre doing by waiting for your perfect fantasy candidate rather than working with the good enough reality.
You must have me confused with somebody else.
If Newsom wins the primary then I'll be singing his praises, you can sleep well knowing that much.
I dont believe you. Especially after your previous posts. And god know how many others youve influenced with those "stay home and wait for perfect" ideals.
No surprise to anyone who's been paying attention to what he does instead of what he says.
For sure. But let's make sure to not let our "lack of surprise" be a reason to not push liberals further left. It's a perfect opportunity to do so. They are ripe for radicalization and the "abundance" and Newsom shit is absolutely failing. Keep the momentum going. The "not surprised guy" is fine around other leftist. But, absolutely use that surprise on your "vote blue not matter who" friends.
Remember Democrats, if he's the Democrat option come election time it's TOO LATE TO bitch!!
Fucking primaries!! They matter they are the only real choice! Organize, cavas suppot real progressives!
But once the national election comes up, I better not hear any fucking bitching, and you better line up becuase 4 years of president Vance is going to kick you in the nuts.
If I'm forced to vote for this asshole I'm going to bitch the entire time.
Why? Because it's bullshit and I'm allowed to.
Fuck the Democratic Party.
"But complaining is anti
-American-Democrat, how dare you use the free speech they claim to protect to criticize the shitheel!"I don't like him, he's just another Republican-lite establishment Democrat, like Obama, or the Clintons. He used to be married to Kimberly Guilfoyle, before she became Don Jr's concubine (Now she's in exile as the Greek Ambassador, to shut her up), so he must be tolerant enough of MAGA nonsense to marry one.
I'm so sick of these people claiming to be our saviors every four years, and when they get in, they spend ALL their efforts appeasing corrupt pedophile traitors, even when they have the power to crush them.
We've seen what MAGA is capable of, and what they want in the future. When the power flips, we have to fight fire with fire, and ruthlessly purge MAGA from our government and our society, and I doubt Newsome is the guy for the job. He's just another water-carrier for the Sociopathic Oligarchs, which California has lots of.
But if he's the nominee, then that's who I'll vote for over ANY MAGA.
Get used to it. I'm in my mid 40s and the Democrats have been this my entire fucking life.
Gavin Newsom takes money from AIPAC and knows he can't justify it, and has expressed support for Zionist Israel. Just like Holocaust Harris, I will not vote for anyone who supports genocide. If signing my name to greenlight genocide is the cost of "democracy" (actually oligarchy with some publicly-funded democracy theater), then the price is too high and I refuse.
I agree with supporting real progressives
I disagree with too late to bitch. The dems fucked Bernie over for Hilary in one of the most corrupt political situations ive ever seen. Either dems can stop providing candidates that dont support genocide and that no one except billionaires want, or they can keep losing to literal fascists. Its a really easy choice for them but they absolutely seem unwilling to make it.
Gavin Newsom is a right wing candidate. He shouldn't be within a million miles of the presidency.
And that's why I'm not a Democrat.
Jesus Christ, if you think Presidential primaries matter, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you. If the Democratic primaries weren't rigged to hell and back Bernie would have finished his second term last January. And if Democrats had been allowed to have a primary in 2024 Newsom would probably be president now.
If you want us to believe that your primaries are an opportunity for actual choice, maybe you shouldn't have appointed a 2024 Presidential candidate who never, in her entire life, won a single fucking primary.
There were no primaries in 2024....
Again, you can rage like a lunatic and do nothing productive, or get involved and do to the Democratic party what the tea party did to the Republican party.
So it's absolutely possible, but just bitching about the system ain't it.
The Tea Party still had the backing of capitalists. If you try moving the Democrat party meaningfully left, you will not have that.
It’s currently working with recent events progressive primarying efforts, but not from actually getting centrist corporate Dems from shifting left.
That's the fucking point.
Don't tell me I can fight the billionaire masters of the Democratic Party in the primaries when those billionaire masters canceled the primaries just last year.
We need a new progressive movement, not just to outcompete the failed Democrats, but to move this country away from a broken system of electoral politics that lets us "choose" between two oligarchs from the Epstein caste and calls it democracy. We don't need progressives banging their heads against a billionaire funded wall and lending credibility to a rigged primary process through their participation.
There wasn’t a lot of time for a primary to be fair. A primary would have happened if Biden stuck to his word and stayed a one term candidate.
Progressives winning primaries through Ranked Choice Voting would be huge. At the least it would give us voters a real clue about how close we are to getting progressives in power instead of just the incumbents.
Luckily, the Democratic Party has recently supported the idea of using Ranked Choice Voting for primaries.
A new party can’t get off the ground if the entire voting system moved to Ranked Choice voting. Which can happen on a state by state basis and has already happened in Alaska and Maine.
The dems havent had a legitimate primary since Obamas first election and the only reason that happened is because he had undeniable support. They have fucked every primary since, and then wonder why they lose every time it matters.
Which the courts said was within their legal right, so you can absolutely expect them to do it again.
I'd vote for Newsom if he's the nominee, but I really hope he's not the nominee (assuming, obviously, the relative utopian future where we get to vote in 2028).
I'm glad when his media exposure goals overlap with doing actual good things, but - and I may be putting too fine a point on it - he's basically Hillary if Hillary had a penis and was super jazzed about it, and I am fairly confident I know the smug look he makes when he smells his own farts.
He's fully bought by aipac. A vote for him is a vote to murder children and civilians.
Real shame that our voting choices are kill children and kill children at turbo speed but alas
A vote for newsom in the primary is a vote for trump's third term
Just cause newsome is charismatic and good looking and antagonizes Trump on social media don't mean shit.
He's not for the people.
We can't let superficial b.s be why we vote for someone.
Idgaf how much shit he gives trump or what he looks like shirtless.
I care about aipac. Corp pac. And his history of letting corps fuck over his constituents.
He's just more fake corp corrupt Dems. Not a socialist. Not for the people.
Right now, AOC is my choice. She's Bernie's prodigy. She is the right choice. Not more rich corrupt men.
I don’t think he’d do well in a primary taking a proactive stance against a billionaire tax
The DNC has a plan for that where they just ignore the vote and nominate him anyway.
Much like this old gem.
https://youtu.be/XIXvbSL83RM
They fixed that. It's part of why Schumer caved. The lower influence of the DNC in primaries meant he couldn't use that power to whip votes and keep control of the party.
This and he was married to that thing Don Jr. was with.
Yuck.
The only reason Newsom has had any interest from the broader electorate is that he was outspoken in opposing Trump. The minute he enters the primary and starts spouting the same valueless, donor-approved, corporate drivel as Kamala, Jefferies, Schumer, etc., he's going to flame out fast.
I feel like people have completely forgotten that Kamala was at like 3% when she bowed out of the primaries.
The hatred of trump might propel a dem who otherwise has no chance. like when Biden won. Against any competent republican he would have been clobbered.
She was the vice president, the person we choose to take over when a president is incapacitated. I would love to hear about all the ways she's worse than Trump.
Nothing more infuriating to see people thoroughly scrutinize one candidate while absolutely refusing to do so for the other.
They didn't say anything about Trump, they said she had no shot of winning the primary, which is true. She was on track to lose every single state, including California, where she was a sitting senator. If you think describing polling data from a 5 year old primary is somehow saying Kamala is, "worse than Trump," you should log off for a while, maybe take a walk or something.
The neither did Sanders.
She was NOT GOING TO LOSE CALIFORNIA. For fuck's sake, who could possibly be this fucking stupid. You know the election happened right? SHE WON CALIFORNIA, YOU IMPOSSIBLE DUMBASS.
She was essentially a younger Biden so you might want to look into whatever unconscious issues you have with voting for a non-white man.
You're saying Harris shouldn't have been elected.... that means you support Trump. You certainly worked extra hard for him spreading your bullshit lies and blatant propaganda. You're the same as MAGA, no thought, no reasoning, no HONESTY. Fucking shameful.
OK, but yes, she absolutely was..
Again, no. She dropped out before the California ballot deadline, most likely to spare herself the embarrassment of losing her home state.
Sanders won several states. Kamala was polling so badly she dropped out before Iowa.
I'm sorry that accurately remembering the 2020 primary is so upsetting to you, but Kamala did not win a single state, even as a VP choice. She dropped out in December of 2019. Voting started in February of 2020. Biden eventually secured the nomination, and on August 11th, the day that the final state voted, he named Kamala as his running mate.. Anyway, maybe before you jump into a thread and start calling people dumbasses, you should make sure that literally everything you're saying isn't wrong.
Notice how @[email protected] didn't have any reply to you giving citations, almost like they can't face facts. Weird!
I'm sure they're just planning to quietly delete their comments once they're sure everyone's stopped paying attention.
You mean idiots will refuse to vote for him while refusing to scrutinize his opposition.
His, "opposition," is going to be other Democratic primary challengers. Can you at least wait until there's a nominee before you start in with the, "Oh, you want the Republicans to win!?!?" bullshit?
If Newsome gets the nod, which is the assumption we were all OBVIOUSLY operating one for the purpose of this conversation, people are already all over this thread saying they wouldn't vote him and would hand the presidency to Republicans.
Just like they did last November. They're right to scrutinize Harries, every politician should be. But they're WRONG to stop at Harris. They give Trump a pass. Then they act like they have the moral high ground and gloat about bringing Trump back to power.
That's a weird assumption to make considering I started this conversation by saying, "The minute [Newsom] enters the primary...he's going to flame out fast."
They love to simp for the DNC, check their history. They are currently defending Newsom doing this and other things he's done.
It's just fascinating to watch someone argue that we can't criticize the Democratic nominee without helping Republicans even though we're three years away from getting a Democratic nominee.
No criticism, only votes!
No platform, only votes!
No primaries, only votes!
No speech, only votes!
You voted in a way they didn't like? HOW DARE YOU!
Billionaire tax should be 99%, no breaks or deductions. Boom I said it.
Even double digit millionaires shouldn't exist.
Anything networh over 10 million should be taxed 100%. hard stop, hard cap.
Companies too should now be able to grow beyond 1 billion in net worth. Anything over that, 100% tax
NO MORE MULTIMILLIONAIRES! NOT ANYWHERE
I meant to say 99% (probably should add the .99) of their net worth, as opposed to what was earned in the last year.
I'm not trying to literally tax them to literal death, just back down to regular people levels.
Make some kinda cutoff for retirement, but then impose a tax specifically for commercial interest purchases/expenditures.
I meant to say 100%. After, say, 10 million, 100% goes to tax
For retirement, everyone gets a pension from the government.
I don't care if some people are slightly richer than other, almost nobody does, but for centuries now we've permitted insane levels of riches, that has got to stop
I got a fiver that says he has to try to walk this back when he runs “the most progressive campaign in us history” in 2028.
I mean, how lucky are we? Hillary, Biden, Kamala, all with “the most progressive platform” ever!
oh yeah, totally feeling lucky, think I'll go buy a lottery ticket.
edit: I lost.
And before that, Obama, Kerry, and if I remember right even fucking Gore were all accused of being the most radical left Presidential candidates in American history.
Funny how the Democratic Party keeps running more and more progressive candidates - both the Republicans and Democrats say they're doing it, so it must be true - and yet the Democratic Party keeps moving more and more to the right.
What's "progressive" about ignoring 999,999,999 dollars? Focusing on an arbitrary number isn't smart.
Liberals gonna liberal.
I'd still rather have a capitalist than a fascist.
Scratch a capitalist and you'll find a fascist. But yeah gun to my head, I'll take it. Figuratively speaking, at least for now.
Bang on.
But milquetoast is losing. People want change. The time to start thinking about alternatives to him is now.
I think AOC will have a better chance frankly. Particularly if Memdani's momentum continues.
A lefty needs to win a governor seat in a major state first to continue that momentum to the White House. That will give the average blue voter the confidence to vote for a social democrat or socialist in the primaries.
We can only hope, andthere are some promising signs.
But fuck Chuck Schumer though and every other democrat who folded on the shutdown. Purposefully giving up their only leverage to please corporate interests of course.
Nobody was blaming the Democrats for for the shutdown and they folded anyway. It's obviously a totally deliberate attempt to undermine their own populist success in the name of preserving the economic status quo.
Yeah that's the thing about capitalists: They come as a package with fascists.
I really hope that Democrats are starting to realize that corporate captured performance artists like Gavin Newsom are why we have been lurching rightward into fascism for 40+ years. They are why there’s been no meaningful opposition. Newsome doesn’t believe in anything beyond a vague allegiance to capital interests and his own career advancement. Sometimes that ethos will cause him to say some good things, and sometimes he’ll do the opposite. But, he’ll never, ever meaningfully change anything at all.
The best case scenario with a Newsom presidency is that he will preside over a temporary slowing of the collapse, while sowing the seeds of further escalation by the white-identity, religious authoritarian dominionists that are flourishing under trump. Democrats, Americans, and the world deserve much more than him.
So there are two possible interpretations for why the Democrats are so stubbornly useless:
It's a big club and you ain't in it.
You can't get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it.
Either way there's no "realizing" anything.
Jon Stewart, 2028.
The problem with Reagan and Trump isn't that they were actors. The problem is that they were complete pieces of shit long before they were elected.
Actor-presidents have demonstrated a natural propensity for revolutionary disruption of entrenched attitudes. Reagan completely fucked over economic policy; Trump is completely fucking over the fundamental concept of democracy.
Imagine that same degree of revolutionary disruption moving us toward egalitarianism rather than corpo-fascism.
Zelenski worked out pretty well for Ukraine.
He's not a saint, but he's been pretty damn good by understanding.
Okay, he's not Trump, so bad is always relative.
He was handed the Russian invasion from heaven so he can be whitewashed into a saint and national hero. You can't even find a controversies section on his wiki, the corrupt fucker.
The football has been pulled away from me too many times for me to try to kick it anymore. I might run and try to kick lucy in the face instead, just to kick something.
With the latest court ruling saying trump can fire anyone he's wants despite laws against it, the next Dem president should just go full tilt and fire every right wing judge, every Republican voting government employee, just straight purge and let the supreme Court try and justify why it was ok in December 2025 but not 2028. Fuck we're still have more than 3 years left of this shitty ass government.
I doubt it. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I highly doubt he's going to complete his term. My guess is 25th Amendment, shortly after the midterms.
Don't you give me hope
China appears to have benefited more from Reagan's policies than the US.
He makes his position clear at 7:50 of that interview that he defers to climate scientists on the issue and continues to ask the writer "what can we do"? Which in my mind is all we can hope for in a politician.
It seems your referencing his suggested response at 8:30. But he then works off her response, that there is no clear path forward, which is inline with his previously stated position frankly.
I agree with your scientific assessments. Green energy gets cheaper every year. It should be focused on more than it is.
If we can get a president that listens to scientists we should count ourselves as LUCKY, thats all we need. It's all the office needs to contribute maximally. John is that.
Gonna have to change that stance if he wants to run on the Dem ticket in the year of our lord 2028.
Cuz everyone gonna be REAL fucking mad at billionaires by then if things keep going the way they are.
The Dems rigged the election against Bernie to protect billionaires, then had a court declare that they were legally within their right to rig it. What makes you think they care how angry the average person is at their owners?
Because that anger can't bottle up forever without some real life consequences
Nothing will meaningfully improve until a class revolution takes place.
I genuinely hope so, but at the same time, polling shows conservatives and moderates don't currently hate billionaires - they think of them as smart job creators. We have to change their hearts and minds on this, they are hearing nothing but propaganda from the billionaires themselves, all of it blaming brown and black people for their woes.
Killing multiple birds with one stone, we need to educate people on what's actually happening instead of assuming they'll just break down and join our side (which also applies to a number of other issues). We don't have an education apparatus right now which is a huge miss. Education campaigns need to be running billboards and commercials explaining what we already know and take for granted.
On the side of the billionaires and the zionists. He'll be the next president for sure.
just having lived in california is enough for a lot of states to vote against you
And don't forget he is also throwing trans people under the bus to.
Remember it's all true! Just look at all the millionaires & billionaires that left NY City after the recent election of ZOHRAN KWAME MAMDAN /s
Eric "we love capitalism" Schmidt?
If Newsom wins the primary, I'm out. I'd rather fight fascism on the streets than play this stupid ass good cop, bad cop game for another round. Fuck you, Democrats. Learn.
Bernie Would've Won
The moment Bernie got shafted that should've been the signal for liberals to start looking elsewhere for their political needs. Shocking how many people still support the dems.
As Malcolm X said:
Yes, but he also would have supported the genocide same as the centrists. Otherwise I love the guy.
Yep, Biden, frail as he was, would have been better than trump, Hillary would have been better than trump, Biden was better than trump in 2020, Kamala would have been better than trump. If American refused to elect a Republican there would be room for a debate between a leftist and a liberal.
Slimey as fuck I hate that guy
Ladies and gentelmen, California Bush
I mean c’mon, let’s not get too carried away, next thing ya know they’ll be wanting to tax the billionaires or something.
And Newsom is different from Trump, how exactly? Dude hosted Charlie Kirk and Steve Banon on his podcast, that he wasn't required to do, and didn't question them, just nodded along like Joe Rogan.
Newsom is shaping up to be a DNC approved Trump at this rate. Loves Nazis, hates taxes, claims to love the real America, hated COVID protections being applied, doesn't care about brown people... Fucker needs to lose in the primary quickly. Assuming we get a fair one.
FINALLY. Someone thinking about the billionaires.
Can we stop being stupid?
This doesn't mean he thinks billionaires shouldn't pay more taxes. It means it's childish and stupid to focus on a single number when it comes to actual policy.
Most of the political issues I’m dealing with stem from wealth inequality. That makes me a single issue voter. Perhaps that is childish.
And when has putting in Republicans in power improved wealth inequality? You're a single issue voter helping the party that opposes said issue. Pretty fucking embarrassing.
Weird because I went and voted for Kamala last November. Newsom isn’t running for any office yet. He’s just being an online troll, and positioning. While I appreciate the attempt to update the political strategy…. Idk if being republican light is the answer. Here’s a strategy, try to win an election only on policy without billionaires funding you in a quid pro quo manner.
Oh, I’m super sorry I hurt your feelings, maybe if you weren’t strawman people no one would be so mean to you. I guess I’ll be more restrained next time. Or you can try, it’s never been my strong suit.
Here’s a policy suggestion. Remove citizens united.
Uh ok? I agree with that and nothing I said would indicate otherwise.
Are you OK bud? Do you really call me stupid and not even grasp the formation of your own words? Like having bad reading comprehension for your own thoughts is really something else.
Jesus christ, you guys are such excitable morons. Newsome will undo Trump's tax cuts. Everyone knows that, including billionaires.
Keep calling me stupid when you believe in some dumbfuck baseless conspiracy theory that Newsome raising taxes SOMEHOW won't affect billionaires so they'll give him money.
More bullshit unsubstantiated lies from MAGA's best friend, phoney fucking "prorgressives" who can't think past fucking buzzwords.
I don’t believe any of that lol. I’m just pointing out that newsom is using his limited television time to proposition the 1% and not the 99% because he’s positioning for a presidential run. So I mean just keep throwing up oligarchs into government and let’s see how it plays I guess. Sounds crazy doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. Maybe if we just got a little more money next election we can win. And then we’ll start with those socialist policies and wealth redistribution away from Newsom’s donors.
I was literally stating my opinion on an article and it hurt your feelings. You commented and my response hurt your feelings. And now you’re projecting me as the faceless persons using politics to hurt your feelings.
Interacting with people is hard, maybe you should give up?
Well, then, fuck him.
I wouldn't vote for Gavin if he was the Democratic candidate. He is just as horrible as the other Democrats.
We need true change and true leaders that will change the government to work for the working class instead of the wealthy.
AOC is over 35...
Yeah. They’ve already turned on her here. Lemmy keeps pushing further and further left that anyone right of Stalin is a fascist MAGA conservative.
And voted to continue funding Israel. And Sanders voted for "Biden's crime bill".
For fuck's sake, you people are so ridiculous. It's like you don't even care what Trump is doing to the country. Fuck any "progressive" who helped bring him back to power.
Trump 3.0 here we come
So who would you vote for? JD Vance? Or you throwing your vote away and letting JD Vance win anyway?
Edit: we aren’t even in the primaries yet but the bots are already out in full force to start telling American citizens to vote 3rd party.
So even before the primary we can only choose Vance or Newsom huh. Can you make this into a trolley problem I can visualize?
Sure so the person I responded to is saying if they were on a trolley, 1 track is Israeli genocide, the other track is Immigrants in America. Before reaching the split there is a station that you can get off and vote in the primaries and support a candidate that supports nothing. There is an option to bypass the station and run over a nuke that kills everyone which can be triggered by voting for anyone other than a democrat candidate.
The person I commented to said they would rather kill immigrants and palistinian people than vote for Newsome in the presidential election. Hope this helps.
No one said anything about Vance.
This has to stop. You CANNOT ignore the Republican opponent. It's fucking ridiculous. Why do you not apply ANY scrutiny to the Republican candidate? You know they take over when the Democrat loses, right?
Who do think is running in place of Trump? The name is irrelevant. It is the Republican nominee. They are all complicit in genocide it doesn’t matter who it is. It will be the democrats and the republicans. Any other party is a vote for maga.
Are you that naive to think otherwise?
Naive is when Americans are corralled to think into the way that you are thinking now. Why is it no one mentioned about primary-ing progressive alternative to Newsom? Everyone quickly assumed it's Vance and Newsom immediately in the next presidential election.
Because therr is no one else running. Where is your candidacy announcement?
Why do you think Vance and Newsom are running? Where is your candidacy announcement? Americans are so pacified by their media.
I wasnt the one complaining about everyone else and not taking resposibility for my own actions here was i.
If a candidate wins, the blame doesn't go on those who didn't vote for them.
There's way more blame on you for supporting a bad candidate despite people on your side telling you clearly and well ahead of time that they are not voting for them. You voted for a nonviable candidate, you're the one who wasted your vote.
We don't owe the Democrats any votes just because they aren't Trump. They must earn it. We don't accept that we should vote for "the lesser evil" so you can keep your privileged life comfortable, while throwing us vulnerable minorities under the bus.
You are confusing the democratic primary with the presidential election. I don’t support Gavin Newsome. However if my choice is a Republican or him I choose him. Not sure where you live but if you’re American you’re severely misinformed about how our system works. My guess is you voted third party then last year and essentially approved the genocide by Israel since trump blatantly said he supports then.
You're the confused one, unfortunately. You're just regurgitating Democratic party nonsense.
By voting for a lesser evil, you are still in fact voting for evil, and you're okay with it because at least the lesser evil doesn't touch you and yours. You don't give a shit about minorites and the poor the Democrats use as rhetoric and abuse, you don't care about the illegal war crimes funded by your tax dollars, you don't care about genocides of brown people, they don't affect you and that's good enough for you.
If you had principals and you stuck to them, you'd vote for a candidate that upholds those principals, not just talks about them around elections. By voting for whatever the Democrats force down your throat, you reward the neo-liberal machine and keep it in power. You're not saving the country, you're not saving your children's future, you're just giving yourself a little bit more comfortable life, and damned by the consequences.
You blame us for refusing to vote for a candidate that promised to kill more and more of our people, and you're confused why we don't see it your way. We don't get the benefit of your lesser evil, because it's evil to us.
Vote for your lesser evil, they'll lose again because we're again telling you loudly we'll not settle at the cost of our children being shredded to pieces by you party's bombs, and again you're to blame for the eventual result: fascist takeover.
And this is all assuming it hasn't happened yet and there will be free elections anymore, and I'm not convinced you'll have a true choice next time anyway.
Based on your post history you are a citizen of India so I’m not sure why you’re commenting on American politics.
This and he was married to that thing Don Jr. was with.
Yuck.
Eww explains a lot
At some point the left needs to realize that sitting out voting doesn’t work. Yes the candidate sucks from your political stance but they are better than the alternative and it gives a platform from which to push left. This has been the playbook of the right for decades and is why they have been so successful in shifting the Overton window. They vote in any circumstance even if the candidate isn’t as right leaning as they would prefer but to them at least it’s not a dem.
Edit: to be clear I’m all for taxing billionaires and corporations far more.
We still have ample time to get someone better than Gavin.
Your vote is your voice. A vote is earned not expected.
As a permanent resident who cannot vote but pays 6 figures in taxes. VOTE. Some of us aren’t so lucky
I'll never vote for Newsom. I've stated that on here before. He's anti-trans and deep in corporate pockets. The Getty family owns him.
So you’re ok with Trump. Got it. How’s his stance on Trans people?
Here we go again... "If you don't vote for Biden you support Trump!" ... "If you don't vote for Harris you support Trump!" ... "If you don't vote for X you support Trump!"
I wonder how that works in solid color states. If you vote third party in a solid blue state, does that mean a vote for red? Or is it actually a vote for blue if you ask for a red voter's opinion on the matter?
Going off the theory that your vote is actually for the person a particular voter opposes, does that mean your protest vote is actually determined by the popular vote? For example, if you protest voted the 2024 election, does that mean you actually voted blue because red won the popular vote? Assuming that every color says the protest vote voted for their enemies.
Burn down that's why needs to be done. So fuck yall hell Newsome already acting like Trump. By 2028 he be the Trump of 2016. The Democrats always move further right. Look at his fucking tweets. You think he just making fun of Trump but worse he thinks acting childish like him will win him those Republican votes.
Just like Harris running around with the Cheney they rather court Republicans then give progressive an inch. So voting for them or Republican not going do shit. Hell you just going get a blue fascist instead of red.
Staunch third party voter reporting in. Voting for the big two feels like an obligation given to me by the powerful. Third party is vastly more exciting!
No in a DNC primary, they can pick whoever they like your vote don't count. They even argued and won that in court. If he the nominee I won't vote for him. DONE WITH LESSER EVIL. This motherfucker right of Regan.
Every vote is a push in one direction or the other in the US. You can vote to push right, you can vote to push left, or you can avoid voting and let the rest of us decide for you. But the last time a bunch of leftists weren't thrilled with the options, the electorate voted to push right. From your valid gripes against Newsom, I'm gonna guess that was not what you wanted.
Come election day, one of the two candidates is guaranteed to become president. You cannot stop that. I won't try to say Newsom is ideal or even a good candidate. I'd love to see someone else run instead. But if you want an even more leftist candidate next time, the country has to show they'll tolerate movement in that direction, and that means not electing another fucking Republican.
Every action is a vote for something. It never hurts to consider the consequences.
By all means push forward a better candidate than Newsom. And I hope you succeed. But if you don't, and it turns out that in the end it's going to be either Newsom or Vance (or even Trump), then who would you rather have?
It's not the left who sits out, it's less politically engaged people. Bought out "Centrist" candidates fail to motivate turnout while getting negligible Republican voters to switch. Progressive candidates do better at both. They're safer bets. Left wingers try and explain this and get blamed
"This candidate is not perfect enough for me, a paragon of virtue, and he's worse than having a right wing dictatorship under trump" is what I am hearing from a lot of people and boy do it smell like bitch in here.
Is anyone really surprised? He's just a neoliberal that's had a lot of good press this year.
Hot take: he isn’t good but would have been better than Biden during that debate
I don't think, for as long as I live, I will ever stop being mad at whoever let Biden on stage in that condition.
I don't think that that's a hot take. If we're listing people who would've done better than Biden in that debate, just about every living person and perhaps a few dead ones could've gotten over that absurdly low bar.
We need everybody to fucking vote in the primary so we can put somebody better on the ballot for the general election. I don't want to be forced to choose between newsom and vance or desantis or noeme or whoever they run. I'm glad he's willing to get dirty in his fighting back, but he still just sucks so much.
Fuck you sleeze bag
If this is the Democratic candidate, and there is no adequate progressive 3rd party candidate, 2028 will be the first election I sit out since 2000.
I am DONE accepting milquetoast corporate right wing democrats just because they aren’t literally insane. John Kerry was my first, and Kamala Harris is my last. I swear to fucking god.
I feel that.
It fucking blows my mind that with all Trump is doing, you people STILL refuse to learn what happens when good is positioned to be the enemy of perfect.
Heads up bud-
There will NEVER be a candidate you will like. Because ALL of them know how the game is played. YOU don’t. And as a result of this, from your perspective, they will all fail you in one way or another… guaranteed.
So go ahead and pout and stay at home all because a perfect candidate isn’t running. The rest of us will be voting against fascism while you’re enjoy those cartoons on Election Day.
I guess you missed the part where I said I’ve done exactly what you are suggesting for nearly 30 years now. I mean, what’s the definition of insanity, again?
I’m not looking for a perfect, ideal candidate. I’m looking for a candidate that doesn’t continue to help the right shift the Overton window further in their direction. Especially in the case of corporate power and campaign finance. That’s it. Bill Clinton was why my first vote was cast was for Ralph Nader. George Bush, and everyone blaming him on people like me, was why I “fell in line” with the Democrats. I’m done playing their games until they’re done playing the Game you are referring to. Democrats have become complacent, feckless, and lazy. They need to learn how to earn a vote like mine again. Zohran understood this. Sorry, I’m voting for whomever I feel like from now on.
Oh I didn’t miss anything. And my oh my that’s certainly a lovely paragraph of hot-button topics you got there! Straight out of the Far-Leftists Playbook that outraged so many into not voting against fascism.
The Left is not the reason Kamala lost, the facts DO NOT SUPPORT this narrative. You are spreading misinformation because it is part of a story that riles you up and "feels" right to you, it is irresponsible.
Back up your accusations or stop pushing this narrative.
Agree to disagree.
Where is your proof then?
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As usual, no proof from them.
My proof? Ninety one million people didn’t vote in 2024, Lemmy was full of kids yelling at people to not vote. There was also roughly 3-4 million people rust toyed for 3rd party spoilers.
It’s safe to say that had the spoiled brats not convinced people to would have voted for Kamila to not vote, and had voted against Trump like they said they hated so much, she’d have had potential to win.
Not to mention that a wave of people influencing others to vote against fascism would have been a huge help instead of “wAaAaAaAaA! bOtH SiDeS!”
Now I’m sure you have your little article that trump would have won regardless all queued up- but take note that I’m not talking about the bullshit they used to excuse away the assholes that chose not to stand in the way of a fascist.
I’m talking about the momentum that would have made the difference in those that would have voted for the left but DIDN’T. Not the dickeads that would have voted for Trump.
If you didn’t vote for Kamala, you chose fascism. And I’m not going to debate this any longer.
Yeah, I feel you. I also feel the person responding to. In this case, if we’re going to reflect on the past, I’d like to see a considerable share of the blame placed on the millions (what 84 million?) that actually voted FOR Prince Don. If we’re looking to the future, I’d suggest that any person seeking voter support be meaningful and have good faith effort solutions.
Awful hard to convince people to care if their ending is the same either way.
The ending is NOT the same either way. And suggesting it would be is in very bad faith.
The shit we’re dealing with would not have happened under Kamala’s presidency.
Of course he does.
Another reason to not vote for Newsom. He may be younger than Pelosi and the other Geronocrats, but he is still corrupt as hell.
Same old same old
Gavin Newsom has always been a slimey shit who is basically a right wing candidate. If the dems could stop fucking giving us right wing or maximum centre right candidates that would be super cool.
For every step forward, this prick takes 3 steps back.
We deserve it. Eating our own tail for years as the world burns and everyone points fingers.
I'm glad he's having his moment now; his unhinged social media posts put the president's in perspective and the redistricting of California in advance of the midterms shows how we can fight fire with fire.
But most importantly, the way cycles of popularity work means that he will be tired, old news by 2028. We will be safe from him.
I voted for him twice, but that was a solid dick move. Right now, I'm liking Mark Kelly's chances though I'd rather have someone more forward thinking.
And sorry folks. AOC just hasn't got the experience yet. Senate seat or a Cabinet position first.
Included in the bill:
Seems totally fair! I’m sure so many of you would have no issues with this at all! Right?
Also, as Newsom has stated his reasoning is that it causes fiscal instability that would drive out businesses and hurt state finances. Furthermore, he has said he is willing to work on broader solutions to the issues. But yeah, as usual- don’t let this get in the way of whatever fabricated bullshit take is currently being used and accepted without question.
It’s pretty evident from the comments here that no one learned what happens as a result of ignorantly believing that good is the enemy of perfect, and will be perfectly happy to repeat the mistakes of the past.
And lastly, I know this is a nuanced take on the matter, and nuance is generally considered an enemy of the state here, so I’m fully expecting to be accused of being whatever the current ad hominem of the week is. (Is it still “bootlicker? It’s hard to keep track. I know “bLueMaGa” was popular a while back)
But be that as it may, to me, it won’t make what I said wrong. Just- disagreed with.
Good, it's stupid to focus on an arbitrary number like that. We need real policy, not buzzwords. There should be a progressive income tax without loopholes or avoidance.