The one that lists sheets is at least using a verifiable metric. It's better than the "right rolls of unspecified size are more than 39 different rolls of unspecified size".
Still silly because no one knows how many sheets they use before changing the roll, but at least it's reasonable silly.
Helps that they tend to be square-ish, there's a subsection of people who would notice immediately if you can't fold perfect paper cranes from a single sheet while you're pooping.
The label usually says total surface area in the package. The stores near me break the price down to cost per unit of area, as well. This really untangles the 'how much should I pay for a quadrahedroll vs a dodecca butt sphere" worth of paper?
This is such bullshit. Pointless manipulation of product offerings to hide the true cost, and thereby manipulate prices. I’ve been doing paper towel math like this for years and it drives me nuts. Grocery stores’ profit model is now almost entirely based on price manipulation and nothing else.
tldr: in australia businesses must display “unit price” on labels: price per 100g, per 100ml, per sheet, etc for every product so that packages are comparable
They have “select a size” or something, where they have smaller length sheets. So you get a bigger number of them and it shows a lower price/100 sheets.
Only ever seen the small length ones on the shelves, but I haven’t looked that hard though tbh.
We have this in the US for most things too, at least in Ohio where I'm from, not sure about other states or if it's a federal thing. I'm not an expert on the law of it, but I can't think off the top of my head anything that doesn't have it.
I believe paper towels and TP are $ per square foot or smth like that
Square foot isn't a great estimate for toilet paper, because within certain limits no one cares about the width of their TP. This means manufacturers will enshittify their products by making the rolls slightly wider (but fewer sheets). The packaging makes it seem like they're selling the same amount, but you suddenly find yourself needing to buy more.
It's better than having no measurement at all. I agree it'd be better to rate it with a measurement actually relevant to its use, but the main thing is at least we have it and thusly can improve it if we pressure whoever regulates it enough.
Toilet paper making is an ART! No other industry manages to create a half-ply so transparent that you can read your newspaper through it, while still delivering the tactile experience of an 80 grid industrial sandpaper.
Brother, just spend the few extra bucks and buy name brand, the extra money ain't gonna kill ya. Meanwhile, the TP you seem to buy now might have you bleeding to death from your ass.
That's not my toilet paper, but one I recently had to endure on a non-private toilet. I was just amazed that they can actually produce such a paper. I'm quite attached to my ass and it's wellbeing, so sure I buy the better stuff for me and my family.
One of the most vivid arithmetic failings displayed by Americans occurred in the early 1980s, when the A&W restaurant chain released a new hamburger to rival the McDonald's Quarter Pounder. With a third-pound of beef, the A&W burger had more meat than the Quarter Pounder; in taste tests, customers preferred A&W's burger. And it was less expensive. A lavish A&W television and radio marketing campaign cited these benefits. Yet instead of leaping at the great value, customers snubbed it.
Only when the company held customer focus groups did it become clear why. The Third Pounder presented the American public with a test in fractions. And we failed. Misunderstanding the value of one-third, customers believed they were being overcharged. Why, they asked the researchers, should they pay the same amount for a third of a pound of meat as they did for a quarter-pound of meat at McDonald's. The "4" in "¼," larger than the "3" in "⅓," led them astray.
The modern consumer would understand the a&w restaurant is probably run much more city than the McDonald's restaurant unfortunately. It's always interesting to me when I go to the McDonald's near my house that shares a parking lot with KFC / a&w and unfortunately that a&w and KFC restaurant is literally one of the worst run restaurants in my area. Only rivaled by the Wendy's three blocks away. Where is that McDonald's the worst they've done is late night they're shake machine and ice cream machine always seems to be broken and they get my order wrong probably one out of every five times. But not blatantly wrong every single order.
Yeah I was supposed to be shitty but when you do voice to text and don't look at what's typed out it kind of messes up sometimes not a big deal you got the idea
All this effort to communicate the idea of bigger or smaller rolls instead of just giving us the total surface area. But then, this isn't about informing the consumer it's about making it seem bigger. If they just gave us a total measurement in sq ft that would make it too easy to compare prices.
It's like guys measuring their dick, they aren't terribly concerned with the validity of the measurement as long as the result sounds good.
I literally just picture a pressured stream of water directed at the anus to remove poo poo particles, and disagree that water can't get dirty or make things messier. Maybe if soap got involved I wouldn't have the same hesitation.
I've used a basic add-on version for a toilet, and I actually wiped first, but it evened out, because I didn't want to get every last particle, just remove the bulk, because I was paranoid about sending bits flying. Of course it also depends on the, uh, consistency.
I used to run a bidet system, but then I found out about xylospongium:
It's got slightly different architecture than bidet, and you have to manually compile some of the features that bidetinstall handles automatically, but you gain so much more control over your system. Never going back.
Americans describing their upgrade to a bidet like its the second enlightenment
Europeans feeling superior that they've been using bidets for a couple hundred years
The one random Asian trying to figure out where did humanity regress and perma downgrade from water to ass scratch material in the western world
No explanation as to how water users seems to magically dry themselves without tp, heat or air, yet watching a new user come out looking like it rained in the bathroom
And on rare occasions:
Westerners describing low pressure water cleaning with your hand like it will give you ebola, despite it being objectively more sanitary than toilet paper, and despite the fact that's how bidets used to work
It's extending the distance from the wall. We got one for free at the grocery store when they first promoted this. We don't regularly use it, but it did work when we tried it out.
They're not taller (where height is the height of the cylinder), their diameter is larger. Since holders have the pin a fixed distance from the wall, this extension gives a few centimeters extra between the pin and the wall, allowing for the extra diameter
Because I imagine it would work about as well as the blow dryer for your hands. You just give up and wipe your damp hands on your pants/shirt.
Also you're already down to like 2 wipes at most with a bidet. How much are you really saving to get your ass stank blown everywhere. No idea how it works. Just imagining a Dyson but in your toilet
Actually, I have very simple math when it comes to TP. Will it be smooth and soft, and not annoy my ass? If yes = buy. Me and cushelle have a love hate relationship. In that my ass loves it, but my wallet hates its fucking guts.
Yeah, TP is renewable by design, since it comes from trees. Being from a grass like bamboo doesn't change that, and bamboo isn't absorbent, so I'm very concerned about the process they're using to produce something that's supposed to be somewhat absorbent.
Bamboo is great for TP, and since the first NRDC report (mentioned in my other response which shows my comment has data behind it) shows the shift to using bamboo fibers in many major brands, too.
Personally, I find bamboo way better than recycled (and bamboo use vs tree use is perfectly sustainable, bamboo grows faster than it can be farmed). We find the brand we use comparable to Charmin "normal" paper (not the overly plush stuff). Happy to recommend a brand to try if asked, but don't want to sound like a shill/advert. Plenty out there on a search 😉
Paper Production and U.S. Forests
Approximately 79 million tons of paper was produced in the U.S. in 2013. Recovered fiber
accounts for 37% of the wood fiber used. Some of this fiber is lost in processing, with the result
that about a third of the volume of paper and paperboard produced is made up of recovered
fiber. The remaining two-‐thirds comes from trees harvested as pulpwood, wood chips, and other residues obtained from sawmill trimmings. On a mass basis, over 65 million tons of roundwood (dry basis), or 36% of the annual U.S. timber harvest, is used each year in manufacturing paper and paperboard. When chips and other residues are considered, the percent of harvest going to paper and paperboard production rises to about 47%. Typically, more than 65% of the nation’s pulpwood harvest is derived from the Southeastern region. In recent years, this percentage has risen to over 81%. Virtually all of that harvest is obtained from privately owned forestland. Individuals and families, private investment groups, and the forest industry own 57% of forestland in the United States. These lands provide 89% of the annual wood harvest (Oswalt et al. 2014). Annual removals of wood in the U.S. are less than half the annual increment. In other words, each year forests in the U.S. grow more than twice as much wood as is harvested. The annual harvest amounts to about 1.3% of total growing stock volume. Despite, and largely because of, ongoing removals that are only a portion of the forest’s annual growth, forests in the United States are increasing in extent. Also, the volume of trees contained within U.S forests is rising steadily. Today the U.S. has more forested land than in the early 1900s. Moreover, net growth has exceeded removals for at least 6 (and likely 7-‐8) consecutive decades.7 The result is the volume of wood stored in the nation’s forests has increased substantially over that period.
Source
Noone is going to virgin forests to send logs straight to a paper mill unless they are too small for the saw mills (byproducts of clear cut logging). The logs are far more valuable as lumber. But the byproducts are chiped and sent to paper mills so nothing is wasted. Your source is completely missing that point and not directing the enegry to the real culprit. Logging in virgin forests is no doubt a problem, but noone is logging them exclusively for paper.
First, your just assuming that the only use for pulpwood is toilet paper. "Wasted" is figurative with the context above.
But more importantly, from your quote:
On a mass basis, over 65 million tons of roundwood (dry basis), or 36% of the annual U.S. timber harvest, is used each year in manufacturing paper and paperboard
36% is small trees that could still be in the ground. Sometimes this is from those surrounding old growth, but it is commonly from out-skirting areas or the way in, and could be avoided.
First, your just assuming that the only use for pulpwood is toilet paper. "Wasted" is figurative with the context above.
No... i assume its all paper produced by wood pulp.
36% is small trees that could still be in the ground. Sometimes this is from those surrounding old growth, but it is commonly from out-skirting areas or the way in, and could be avoided.
In managed tree plantation, one stratgey is to plant trees very densely so the planted trees smothers out any competition. Once they get about 15-20 years, the forest is thinned, producing tons of pulpwood. Leaving the rest to mature for lumber. Some managed forests are exclusively grown for pulpwood and clear cut every 20 years, but those are less common.
Environment wise, young trees consume more CO2 than old growth forests. The downside it creates large vast monoculture forests devoid of a diverse ecosystems.
So again, its not the problem of paper production... its the lumber industry and their unsustainable practices.
By volume??? Where are you buying it? Also what're you eating? Chipotle 24/7?
I have a bidet and my toilet paper budget is literally 1 big Costco size pack per year at ~ $20. I could cut so many expenses before that is a problem spend.
This is why they have this stupid math on the packaging.
Because if all you look at is price / meter the lowest quality is obviously going to be the cheapest.
If you get 2-ply or 3-ply, it's 2-3 more sheets per meter and much softer. So more expensive per meter, but you can also use less since you can use 4 sheets instead of 8 and get the same softness/padding.
Not so hard to calculate. It's still stupid though, that they don't have to print the values per 100g, as they do in Europe. That makes it really easy to compare two products with different package sizes.
The value per serving is mostly useless, as a serving is just some made up amount, usually tiny to make the product look healthier. For example, a serving size of crisps could be 20g, which is not even a handful.
Oz or whatever strange body part comparison you guys prefer would also be fine for me. As long as it's standardized between products.
With 100 gramms/millilitres it's a simple guideline:
<100 kcal: probably healthy
100-200 kcal: mostly ok
>200 kcal: consume carefully
Of cause it's fine to consume oils (~700kcal/100ml) but they shouldn't be the major part of your meal. And sugary drinks are obviously bad for you, even though they've got less than 100kcal/100ml.
There's 2.5 servings per bag, the serving size is listed as 2tbsp, there's 190 calories in 2tbsp. So calories in the entire bag is just 2.5 * 190 calories
And even individual squares can be larger or smaller than other brands, leading to rolls with more or fewer squares for the same length.
Honestly, it needs to be in the law that any TP needs to specify the number of square meters of TP on the packaging, so that stores - if they post comparison ratios on the price tags - can give a price per square metre for people to compare with.
When I spray paint watercolor, I don't just wipe my air brush. I wash it over and over in water until all paint is gone.
Although, no one washes canons between canon shots. They wipe the insides with an oily rag. So sure, there are things you wipe off with a dirty rag. So go ahead, keep wiping.
Until they establish a standardized measurement, and/or someone conducts a scientific mathematical comparison between brands & size claims, it will all be meaningless.
The one that lists sheets is at least using a verifiable metric. It's better than the "right rolls of unspecified size are more than 39 different rolls of unspecified size".
Still silly because no one knows how many sheets they use before changing the roll, but at least it's reasonable silly.
Isn't it the same problem tho, since they can make the sheets smaller and say there's more without actually offering a longer roll?
We need legally defined toilet paper roll standards.
Lets setup some ISO standards for shit wipers.
I would be shocked if there isn't already one. The trick is getting companies to adhere to it.
Helps that they tend to be square-ish, there's a subsection of people who would notice immediately if you can't fold perfect paper cranes from a single sheet while you're pooping.
pretty sure they are rectangles
Oh, totally. It's by no means a good measurement, it's just the only one that's in some way tied to anything tangible. "8=39" doesn't mean anything.
Which matters more total kg or mm^2^ ?
Kg for sure, i wouldn't trust tp with a low cost per mm²
I also don't trust a toilet paper with a low gsm.
Maybe we need both a gsm and total weight labeling.
The label usually says total surface area in the package. The stores near me break the price down to cost per unit of area, as well. This really untangles the 'how much should I pay for a quadrahedroll vs a dodecca butt sphere" worth of paper?
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This is such bullshit. Pointless manipulation of product offerings to hide the true cost, and thereby manipulate prices. I’ve been doing paper towel math like this for years and it drives me nuts. Grocery stores’ profit model is now almost entirely based on price manipulation and nothing else.
yknow what’s great? unit pricing laws
tldr: in australia businesses must display “unit price” on labels: price per 100g, per 100ml, per sheet, etc for every product so that packages are comparable
ditto! i’d probably do it in my head for a lot of things still because metric is easy, but it saves me so much time and i’m sure i’m an outlier
In Sweden I see price per kg for toilet paper. Which I guess can help you guesstimate, if you always look for 3 layers for example…?
yup they show price per sheet by law
Australia displays price per 100 sheets.
Example:
There’s some brands that cheat this in Australia.
They have “select a size” or something, where they have smaller length sheets. So you get a bigger number of them and it shows a lower price/100 sheets.
Only ever seen the small length ones on the shelves, but I haven’t looked that hard though tbh.
We have this in the US for most things too, at least in Ohio where I'm from, not sure about other states or if it's a federal thing. I'm not an expert on the law of it, but I can't think off the top of my head anything that doesn't have it.
I believe paper towels and TP are $ per square foot or smth like that
Square foot isn't a great estimate for toilet paper, because within certain limits no one cares about the width of their TP. This means manufacturers will enshittify their products by making the rolls slightly wider (but fewer sheets). The packaging makes it seem like they're selling the same amount, but you suddenly find yourself needing to buy more.
It's better than having no measurement at all. I agree it'd be better to rate it with a measurement actually relevant to its use, but the main thing is at least we have it and thusly can improve it if we pressure whoever regulates it enough.
Very good point!
The counter argument is that the most permanent solution is a temporary fix, so why change it if it "works" :(
Toilet paper making is an ART! No other industry manages to create a half-ply so transparent that you can read your newspaper through it, while still delivering the tactile experience of an 80 grid industrial sandpaper.
Brother, just spend the few extra bucks and buy name brand, the extra money ain't gonna kill ya. Meanwhile, the TP you seem to buy now might have you bleeding to death from your ass.
That's not my toilet paper, but one I recently had to endure on a non-private toilet. I was just amazed that they can actually produce such a paper. I'm quite attached to my ass and it's wellbeing, so sure I buy the better stuff for me and my family.
No wonder millennials can’t afford a house, with all the avocado toast and 10-ply toilet paper. /s
In my over 50 years, I've never eaten an avocado toast.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/magazine/why-do-americans-stink-at-math.html
America: Failing 2nd grade math since the 1980s.
In fairness, the people they surveyed grew up breathing lead. I wonder if a modern audience would handle that test better
Nope. Failure rate would be the same.
I would think worse actually, fairly sure our literacy and numeracy scores are worse now than in the 80s.
Ah, ok, they peaked in 2012, been declining since, almost back down to 70s/80s levels.
This graoh only goes to 2022... and other sources have those scores continuing to fall.
And we also have TikTok destroying everyone's attention spans and capacity to self regulate today.
The modern consumer would understand the a&w restaurant is probably run much more city than the McDonald's restaurant unfortunately. It's always interesting to me when I go to the McDonald's near my house that shares a parking lot with KFC / a&w and unfortunately that a&w and KFC restaurant is literally one of the worst run restaurants in my area. Only rivaled by the Wendy's three blocks away. Where is that McDonald's the worst they've done is late night they're shake machine and ice cream machine always seems to be broken and they get my order wrong probably one out of every five times. But not blatantly wrong every single order.
... What does 'run much more city' mean?
Were you trying to type 'shittily'?
Yeah I was supposed to be shitty but when you do voice to text and don't look at what's typed out it kind of messes up sometimes not a big deal you got the idea
Should have called it the 2/6 pounder.
No one goes to A&W for their burgers, especially in the 80’s. Hot dogs and root beer.
... Which is greater, 1/3, or 1/4?
Duh, obviously it’s the one that makes me look stupid. Foot long hotdog is my answer.
Ok, boomer.
Super mega rolls, now with pockets!
I just look at the area of paper on the bottom. That's what it boils down to, right? Using standard rolls as some benchmark is meaningless.
All this effort to communicate the idea of bigger or smaller rolls instead of just giving us the total surface area. But then, this isn't about informing the consumer it's about making it seem bigger. If they just gave us a total measurement in sq ft that would make it too easy to compare prices.
It's like guys measuring their dick, they aren't terribly concerned with the validity of the measurement as long as the result sounds good.
Centimeters squared and mass (g).
Honestly, this is so stupid I just assumed it was a US-only thing. You're telling me they pull this nonsense in the land of metric?
The land of metric? You just mean everywhere except for like 3 countries?
Enshitification and marketing are a plague on every aspect of human existence.
That's the joke, yes.
I dunno, I prefer a bidet. It's much more sanitary.
Yeah but in which mode
They do, and it does.
Use a bidet. A single roll lasts me several months. It's mostly for spot checks on days where I've had especially greasy meals.
Bidet gang rise up.
I think you've got the pressure too high...
Like a pressure washer.
Nah, real connoisseurs use a goose's neck.
Do you use, like, a blow drier too on your ass? because leaving moisture in your recently shitty ass crack sounds like a bad idea.
No that's why you wipe after. To remove the moisture. The bidet removed the poop.
I just can't wrap my head around this being hygienic or a good idea unless the order was for some reason Wipe, Bidet, Wipe again.
Why would you need to wipe before using the Bidet?
Do you how how they work?
You can't get a stream of water dirty.
I literally just picture a pressured stream of water directed at the anus to remove poo poo particles, and disagree that water can't get dirty or make things messier. Maybe if soap got involved I wouldn't have the same hesitation.
Given the information here, I believe that:
1 Giant Roll = 2.25+ Rolls = 2250+ Sheets
1 Double Roll = 2 Rolls = 2000 Sheets
1 Super Mega Roll = 6 Rolls = 6000 Sheets
1000 Sheets = 1 Roll = 0.5 Double Roll = 0.444 Giant Roll = 0.166 Super Mega Roll
1 Super Mega Roll = 2.666 Giant Roll = 3 Double Roll = 6 Roll = 6000 Sheets
I can take 6000 shits with one super mega roll?! WOW!
Yes , if you use exactly 1 square each time.
But someone so enterprising and smart like you probably uses both sides, so 12,000 shits per roll is on the table.
I use a bidet, btw.
Ok? You still need to dry yourself, don't you?
Get a load of this guy, never used a bidet! /s
But seriously, there's many ways to go about it. Some people don't use anything, some use tp, some bidets blow air, some use a dedicated towel.
I've used a basic add-on version for a toilet, and I actually wiped first, but it evened out, because I didn't want to get every last particle, just remove the bulk, because I was paranoid about sending bits flying. Of course it also depends on the, uh, consistency.
I used to run a bidet system, but then I found out about xylospongium:
It's got slightly different architecture than bidet, and you have to manually compile some of the features that bidetinstall handles automatically, but you gain so much more control over your system. Never going back.
Just Roman things..
I wish they sold them by shits instead of by sheets. "This package is good for 100 regular shits or 50 creamy shits."
This would be incredibly unreliable. I'd rather want the hard facts: how many sheets per roll and how many plies
Welcome to our newest technology, mini sheets! They are much softer and better for your anal health. Good luck guessing what size they are.
Less, every year.
Now introducing: heavier, deluxe paper towel roll cardboard inserts! They feel fancy!
If you try it there, most stores let you keep the roll for free as well
This and get a bidet. You'll care less about the quality of tp and buy less of it.
Beg to differ. You’ll care much more about TP quality. But you will use a lot less.
Go by weight. If you have two bundles that have the same number of rolls, the heavier one either has more or thicker squares.
And if they add lead or something else heavy to the packaging? Ha! Checkmate!
Yeah be careful they be cutting the toilet paper with fent out there. Stay safe.
I just get my TP for free from the office
Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime... that's why I steal his toilet paper and make it mine.
Every toilet paper related thread ever:
Jokes about paper quality
Americans describing their upgrade to a bidet like its the second enlightenment
Europeans feeling superior that they've been using bidets for a couple hundred years
The one random Asian trying to figure out where did humanity regress and perma downgrade from water to ass scratch material in the western world
No explanation as to how water users seems to magically dry themselves without tp, heat or air, yet watching a new user come out looking like it rained in the bathroom
And on rare occasions:
Srsly tho how do they dry.
Why are you shitting on the tp aficionados?
I wish toilet paper math worked on my bank account.
I wondering how a "super mega" roll will fit on a standard roll holder.
They sell an extender for that.
Are they really asking for shit pics?
How tf should this work? The holder doesn’t get any wider just by inserting a different roll holder pin
Wider? No. It allows a girthier roll by moving the center away from the inside edge.
It's extending the distance from the wall. We got one for free at the grocery store when they first promoted this. We don't regularly use it, but it did work when we tried it out.
They're not taller (where height is the height of the cylinder), their diameter is larger. Since holders have the pin a fixed distance from the wall, this extension gives a few centimeters extra between the pin and the wall, allowing for the extra diameter
Bidet with a blow dryer.
Does the blow dryer actually work?
Because I imagine it would work about as well as the blow dryer for your hands. You just give up and wipe your damp hands on your pants/shirt.
Also you're already down to like 2 wipes at most with a bidet. How much are you really saving to get your ass stank blown everywhere. No idea how it works. Just imagining a Dyson but in your toilet
It doesn't get as wet as when washing your hands so it dries quicker 🤷♂️
It's gonna feel wet from sweat 2 minutes after I leave the bathroom anyway.
Is this unshittification?
That's usually what I use my toilet paper for
Best part is when you go to different store and they got from per sheet to square foot or some nonsense.
I wanna know how many square cubits it is.
Holy sheets
I’d bet 72 sheets of toilet paper that these calculations were made by the AI in Excel
It's toilet paper, my biggest concern is price. Besides, I have bidet, I can make a pack of 8 last a year.
In Canada at the bottom of the package they will tell you the dimensions of the sheet and sheets per roll or length I can't remember.
You still have to do math but the actual numbers are there for you to do it.
The real answer is just go to Costco and buy one of those giant packs with the massive sheets and don't think too much about it.
Actually, I have very simple math when it comes to TP. Will it be smooth and soft, and not annoy my ass? If yes = buy. Me and cushelle have a love hate relationship. In that my ass loves it, but my wallet hates its fucking guts.
I switched to Bamboo toilet paper. Renewable, saves old growth trees, and when bought in bulk online is as cheap as Walmart.
Almost all paper comes from byproducts if the lumber industry or recycled. Its the processes of papermaking that have huge impacts to the environment.
Yeah, TP is renewable by design, since it comes from trees. Being from a grass like bamboo doesn't change that, and bamboo isn't absorbent, so I'm very concerned about the process they're using to produce something that's supposed to be somewhat absorbent.
Bamboo is great for TP, and since the first NRDC report (mentioned in my other response which shows my comment has data behind it) shows the shift to using bamboo fibers in many major brands, too.
Personally, I find bamboo way better than recycled (and bamboo use vs tree use is perfectly sustainable, bamboo grows faster than it can be farmed). We find the brand we use comparable to Charmin "normal" paper (not the overly plush stuff). Happy to recommend a brand to try if asked, but don't want to sound like a shill/advert. Plenty out there on a search 😉
Also, don't negate a bidet.
Data? The NRDC says otherwise. They do a report every year on virgin forest use in Canada. https://www.nrdc.org/resources/issue-tissue
For the record, it tracks recycling use, renewable fiber use, and bleaching. I think you're minimizing the impact.
Noone is going to virgin forests to send logs straight to a paper mill unless they are too small for the saw mills (byproducts of clear cut logging). The logs are far more valuable as lumber. But the byproducts are chiped and sent to paper mills so nothing is wasted. Your source is completely missing that point and not directing the enegry to the real culprit. Logging in virgin forests is no doubt a problem, but noone is logging them exclusively for paper.
First, your just assuming that the only use for pulpwood is toilet paper. "Wasted" is figurative with the context above.
But more importantly, from your quote:
36% is small trees that could still be in the ground. Sometimes this is from those surrounding old growth, but it is commonly from out-skirting areas or the way in, and could be avoided.
No... i assume its all paper produced by wood pulp.
In managed tree plantation, one stratgey is to plant trees very densely so the planted trees smothers out any competition. Once they get about 15-20 years, the forest is thinned, producing tons of pulpwood. Leaving the rest to mature for lumber. Some managed forests are exclusively grown for pulpwood and clear cut every 20 years, but those are less common.
Environment wise, young trees consume more CO2 than old growth forests. The downside it creates large vast monoculture forests devoid of a diverse ecosystems.
So again, its not the problem of paper production... its the lumber industry and their unsustainable practices.
Not old-growth. Irrelevant to the stats and report.
You are quite dense.
The bottom two make sense.
8 super mega = 48 reg.
24 double = 48 reg
So 1 super mega = 3 double = 6 reg
1 double is ⅓ super mega or 2 reg 1 reg = ⅙ super mega or ½ double
But how many giant rolls is 1 super mega? Is that more or less 4,000 sheets?
I guess $/kg (or any non-metric alternative) doesn't say much either.
Cornholio 2028!
It's super expensive too. There are handmade papers from Japan that are less expensive than your average toilet paper.
By volume??? Where are you buying it? Also what're you eating? Chipotle 24/7?
I have a bidet and my toilet paper budget is literally 1 big Costco size pack per year at ~ $20. I could cut so many expenses before that is a problem spend.
Get it from the grocery store. It's like $3.50 a square foot or something. Seattle, so it's expensive. Also, costco toilet paper sucks and no bidet.
The hell it is.
A 24-pack of Charmin ultra strong is 785 square feet. It cost 50 bucks.
That’s 6¢ per square foot.
Has anyone ever tried to call Greg at 1-667-693-5420 ?
What happened?
Laughs in Bidet with heated set, water, and air dryer. We don't need no stinking toilet paper math.......
As a bidet owner, that's not fully true. I use significantly less toilet paper, but not zero.
Sometimes the dyer doesnt hit everything. Or I have to wipe the seat.
Have a basket of towelettes around. Good for dabbing last drops and seat wipes.
Here in Czechia there are mandated price per unit, with tp it's iirc price per meter
This is why they have this stupid math on the packaging.
Because if all you look at is price / meter the lowest quality is obviously going to be the cheapest.
If you get 2-ply or 3-ply, it's 2-3 more sheets per meter and much softer. So more expensive per meter, but you can also use less since you can use 4 sheets instead of 8 and get the same softness/padding.
Well, shit...
I wonder if buying dietary fiber is ACTUALLY worth the money saved in TP.
Buying cheap iron supplements costs less. The constipation will make everything as hard as, well passing iron.
Awful.
....Well done.
Six times wider than most regular brands.
I know harder math. Try to figure out how many calories are in microwave popcorn.
Well, how many teaspoons in a cup?
48 tsp = 16 tbsp = 8 fl oz = 1 cup
Because fuck you, that's why.
Yeah, u just uh, just do the math guys. Come on
190 in 36 g.
That seems very straightforward, where is the confusion?
What's the calorie count in one bag then?
Not so hard to calculate. It's still stupid though, that they don't have to print the values per 100g, as they do in Europe. That makes it really easy to compare two products with different package sizes.
The value per serving is mostly useless, as a serving is just some made up amount, usually tiny to make the product look healthier. For example, a serving size of crisps could be 20g, which is not even a handful.
Servings are almost always around 1 oz, except for snack foods.
Oz or whatever strange body part comparison you guys prefer would also be fine for me. As long as it's standardized between products.
With 100 gramms/millilitres it's a simple guideline:
Of cause it's fine to consume oils (~700kcal/100ml) but they shouldn't be the major part of your meal. And sugary drinks are obviously bad for you, even though they've got less than 100kcal/100ml.
475 calories
There's 2.5 servings per bag, the serving size is listed as 2tbsp, there's 190 calories in 2tbsp. So calories in the entire bag is just 2.5 * 190 calories
And even individual squares can be larger or smaller than other brands, leading to rolls with more or fewer squares for the same length.
Honestly, it needs to be in the law that any TP needs to specify the number of square meters of TP on the packaging, so that stores - if they post comparison ratios on the price tags - can give a price per square metre for people to compare with.
1 Bidet = paper free for 2 to three years.
When I spray paint watercolor, I don't just wipe my air brush. I wash it over and over in water until all paint is gone.
Although, no one washes canons between canon shots. They wipe the insides with an oily rag. So sure, there are things you wipe off with a dirty rag. So go ahead, keep wiping.
Why not by weight?
They show the price per weight in Denmark.
This is all simple, they are all normalized to a standard roll or 1'000 sheets.
im sure i cant get trough 4000 sheets with four rolls
Just use price divided by total sq.ft.
Until they establish a standardized measurement, and/or someone conducts a scientific mathematical comparison between brands & size claims, it will all be meaningless.
Pretty sure the standard is that 1 ply shit at the office, and every restaurant you ever been to.
People really just need to fix their diet...
Apparently a two-person household is supposed to be able to burn through one roll a month
TIL one month is forever.