Is it "hard to believe" when the Americans voted twice to elect a full on rapist for President?... with the added qualifications of convicted felon, fraudster and 99.99% likely a pedophile?
I think it's time to accept Americans could not care less about sexual assault, women or kids rights.
Yes, that is a generalization with a nasty connotation but that is what Americans have shown to be
The issue, IMO, is the "fuck you, got mine" attitude from so many Americans.
Sure, someone who identifies as a "Liberal" may not want trans people be victimized but if they themselves are not trans (or maybe a close loved one), it's really someone else's problem not really worth doing anything about... maybe a post online
Fascism has taken over in the USA because of decades of dumbing down the public and rage farming... but the actual cause at the moment is that the raging idiots are willing to take action while the rest, unless personally affected, "can't be bothered"
If you think that's wild wait till you hear about all the law enforcement officers across the country that voted for a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist.
It's quite fascinating that, on the one hand they think everything he tries will fail and he won't achieve any of the things he promised, and at the same time they also think his policies will destroy New York City and all the business will leave.
Well, in a general sense (meaning, to be extra clear, I am not referring to Mamdani specifically), "these ideas won't accomplish what he intends" and "these ideas will mess everything up" are not mutually exclusive at all. They're essentially the same sentiment, if you think about it.
I think the confusion is in the incorrect assumption that only the successful execution of a policy/idea/etc. can do the latter, but the same level of damage could easily happen in the course of an ultimately-failed attempt, as well.
That's enough pedantry from me for now, though, lol.
LMAO. TBH I don't blame them [people in Kentucky confused the polls were closed] because 1 - civics education = no; 2 - the way the NYC election was covered, you'd think it was a national race.
I hope what we take most from this is that 2026, 2028 is NOT "too early" or "too high stakes" for an ACTUAL progressive campaign. The DNC has used that argument 3x with Trump and lost said elections twice (only winning 2020 because Trump bombed w/ Covid-19). I'm certain we'll hear it again in the next two national elections.
Having a competent populist leftist politician is not a detraction. Quite the opposite. NO to Gruesome Newsom
By any chance do you have a good link that explains all the terrible stuff Gavin has done? I know some of the stuff but my memory is not like it used to be and my wife was asking and I wanted to explain to her that even though he's making some funny Trump jokes he's a piece of crap himself
It would be next to impossible to find a video like the one you're asking for without MAGA pollutants.
I can name off one thing, his partying with incredibly expensive wine and food at the height of the pandemic after the mask mandates. That was the big thing for me that convinced me he's a differently colored snake.
Truth be told, I didn't really know much about his homeless policies at the time. I was very much keeping my head buried as far as I could in whatever I could to avoid everything. This was just the piece of information that managed to reach me that made me think he's not too good of a guy.
Because you're right, how he's 'helped' the homeless is absolutely worse.
Fucked over the homeless in Cali, thrown trans people under the bus rhetorically.
He's not wrong that he has signed a lot of legislation protecting trans Californians, but he's been going into right wing talk show spaces and nodding soberly saying yeah, you have some good points about their moral panic about us.
Just to be very clear, the DNC leadership is antagonistic to our (I assumed) shared goals.
The Democrats are obviously what needs to be supported in a 2 party system, so regardless of the DNC antics, the sacrifice for not choosing them will be more severe, and they know that.
I'm saying this all to say, absolutely support a progressive candidate if you can in the primaries, but when it comes election time, fall in line.
Also, there is a big problem where Mamdani is supremely clever and fast on his feet, having practiced every comeback a million times in the shower, ready to let them rip on command.
At the federal there is no one with that level of natural charisma or wit.
I'm saying this all to say, absolutely support a progressive candidate if you can in the primaries, but when it comes election time, fall in line.
No.
A candidate campaigns for MY vote.
The Democratic establishment can prove they aren't an obstacle to progress, me blindly voting for them is no longer a grace I automatically extend to a party hellbent on sabotaging progressives even if it means losing to literal fascists.
Absolutely, but I will not keep falling in line for candidates that would rather lose than listen to me and publicly and emphatically support the very reasonable policies I want.
At a certain point my vote is earned, it has to be or else I will be ignored.
I think you are missing the meaning of "compromise". You need to vote for the candidate that will best represent you... And part of the best representation equation is being able to win the election.
No, the Democratic Party is selectively missing the meaning of "compromise" only when it comes to shutting down progressives, they are happy as hell to hand power to conservatives.
I know what compromise looks like and I reward it when I see it.
Last time this primary vs general was paid attention to (internationally at least), it was because Bernie was about to out-primary Hillary and then the Democrats figuratively put their thumb on the scale and gave it to Hillary.
I absolutely understand even a dead rat would be better president than the Pedophile in Chief you have now. But the people of the USA barely have a very indirect path to elect their representatives... this is a democracy like Cheetos are "food"
Okay. I meant to imply that any democracy (practically by definition) is based on compromise, which is why I said that straight up instead of snarkily (and unhelpfully) bashing the USA.
As for the Hillary-Bernie thing... At then end of the primary, Hillary had like 3 million more votes than Bernie did. Notably, Bernie conceeded to Hillary and even campaigned for her, because he knew that she was much better than trump, and democracy is inherently a compromise.
This stupid shit will lose you the ability to vote, and fuck over millions of people not deserving the blunt end of said stupidity.
It's been seen time and time again that democrats losing shifts them right.
Thats what happens.
The DNC knows that all they have to do is play "At least we're not trump" and they're happy enough.
You acting like a petulant child, as if somehow you're really getting back the rich out of touch people is pants on head stupid. It's you that loses the most. Actually no, its the marginalized people who lose the most, yet you sit there, pout, and fuck yourself and your fellow country while having a childish tantrum.
The Democratic establishment can prove they aren’t an obstacle to progress
They won't, and you already know this, so you can either be mature and pragmatic by realizing this and voting as best aligns with your interests while trying to change the party over time as this is a 2 party winner takes all/first past the post style system, or you can act like a child, and self harm;throwing a tantrum whilst walking a tight rope.
me blindly voting for them is no longer a grace I automatically extend to a party hellbent on sabotaging progressives even if it means losing to literal fascists.
I refuse to believe real people and not fascists agitators can have opinions this brain dead.
I refuse to believe real people and not fascists agitators can have opinions this brain dead.
This is exactly why people with your perspective are destroying this country and keep losing elections to fascists, y'all refuse to believe reality and instead feel the need to force a moral judgement on votors not giving your shit candidates votes automatically because "other side bad".
It's been seen time and time again that democrats losing shifts them right.
This is exactly why people with your perspective are destroying this country and keep losing elections to fascists
Its crazy you say shit like this when we both support progressiveness. "You are realistic and therefor bad".
y’all refuse to believe reality and instead need to force a moral judgment on voters not giving your shit candidates votes automatically because “other side bad”.
They literally aren't my preferred candidates. That was inherent to the statment that they were not preferred but you still should because not doing so is petulant tantrum throwing that hurts many, including yourself.
You badly want reality to just work the way you want it to work instead of the way it does, and would rather be delusional than face the facts.
You literally can't logically justify your emotional and self harming behaviour and never stop to self reflect on why that is.
That is their choice, not mine.
100% your choice. Fortunately you are an (insane and child like) minority, but holy fuck do you not help.
Stop condescending me, Kamala campaigning with Liz Cheney daughter of deceased war criminal Dick Cheney while utterly silencing Palestinian voices was what lost the US presidential election, not progressives.
No, this is a tea party moment for the left, we don't need the Democratic Party, they need us and they are still refusing to behave like they do.
No. You're wilfully harmful takes actively deserve that as you seek to hurt unrelated people for the actions of people who will be completely insulated from your tantrum.
Kamala campaigning with Liz Cheney daughter of deceased war criminal Dick Cheney while utterly silencing Palestinian voices was what lost the US presidential election
Maybe the first part, but any people who protest voted over the Palestinians have the blood of the thousands more that have been killed on their hands as a direct result.
You cannot simply ignore the world just because its not the way you want it to be.
No, this is a tea party moment for the left, we don’t need the Democratic Party
The movement that ultimately still voted for republicans when the time came for the most part as it was incredibly small because anyone who understand math understands that in a winner takes all/first past the post system you can't have more than 2 main parties?
they need us and they are still refusing to behave like they do.
No. You have it backwards. They're fine with losing. You aren't. You and people you must be pretending to care about get fucked when they lose. They know that, and so you aren't making them stop and think, you're just fucking yourself and others harder.
You do know that when you start insulting your opponent you've both lost the argument and shown your ass, right?
Hopefully one day you'll realize that you are the problem, that it is you carrying water for the right-wing party that together with the far-right-wing party have turned the good ole USA into a right-loving hellhole, slowly but surely over the last 50 years or so. Always unable to understand why a growing number of people are done with your political farce, just foaming at the mouth as your shill cries of blue-compliance and lesser-evil voting fail to do anything.
You do know that when you start insulting your opponent you’ve both lost the argument and shown your ass, right?
No, I don't know that, because its something people without actual points in their favour bust out when they feel the other person has been too blunt.
In this case, the other person wishes to harm a significant amount of people. I owe them no apologies, and the only people showing their asses are the people treating significant, real life politics like a game and as if they were children flipping all the pieces off because they didn't win.
Hopefully one day you’ll realize that you are the problem, that it is you carrying water for the right-wing party that together with the far-right-wing party have turned the good ole USA into a right-loving hellhole, slowly but surely over the last 50 years or so.
The thing about this child like understanding of this easy to understand system where only 2 parties will ever have a chance due to the math of it being a first past the post/winner takes all system, is that the very obvious only way to change said system without tremendous blood shed, is by slowly transitioning the party closest to your goals over time. Because this can't be completed faster than a short on tiktok or youtube, you get enraged and think the whole system can never be fixed. Do you have a solution? Of course you don't though. You'd instead have it get more broken, harming you and your causes more.
and lesser-evil voting fail to do anything.
This by itself is tremendously ignorant to the massive differences in policy between the 2 parties. All of this comment is filled with impotent irate ignorance.
Congratulations, you are why Trump was elected. It's your fucking obligation as a citizen to be informed and engaged in our process. Is the two party system bullshit? Yes. But the way it's set up if you abstain or vote third party that's effectively a vote for a republican, and you are very nearly as responsible as them. You want a more progressive dnc? Register and fucking primary incumbent establishment dems with progressives. Drag the party left or own the fucking responsibility of being a part of the problem.
Congratulations, people like you are why Democrats lose when they try to appeal to what they perceive to be centrist views and betray their base for massive corporations :)
Democrats lose when they fail to turn out their base because their base knows they are full of shit...
Where in the hell have you been for the last thirty years? The Democrats are a centrist party. If anything they're a center right party because of people spouting bullshit like you instead of pulling the party left. If every whiny liberal and leftist actually fucking voted in primaries for progressives we'd have a populist progressive Democrat party. But you'd rather bitch on the internet about your bullshit principles that got trump elected.
Shit, we'd be lucky if they went with someone as marginally craptastic as Newsom. We can't put any candidate in if they have any chance of getting any of our agenda in; they have to be 100% right-friendly or they won't even try.
And then they blame it on "left wing political violence" and then the shooter's family will be like "look at all these pictures of him wearing maga hats" and then the media will be like "but he had a high school class with someone who's cousin was bisexual so he's obviously a left wing lunatic".
Millennials are the last generation to not be raised by an algorithm, and also seemingly the only generation that doesn't get more conservative as they age, so I guess it's up to us to save the planet.
Millennials are getting more conservative as they age, at least in the US. We thought this might be true during Trump's first term when the age gap in voter behavior was so large, but millennials were delayed in reaching the wealth milestones like homeownership and to a lesser degree childbirth. We weren't shut out entirely.
As millennials reach their peak earning power we will get more conservative still. The fact of the matter is that being poor shortens your life and being rich stunts your empathy. Individuals don't change their politics much. As time passes the poor die off from the generational cohort and leave the rich conservative assholes.
Wealth concentration to the rich will push each succeeding generation left as a greater proportion of people are locked out of wealth accumulation, but that has a few generations to go before the limits and a tip into facism is always possible as we see right now.
Tbf, Gen Z just has a more "doomer" mindset, they don't care anymore, they'd happily vote for a far-right, or even a socialist or a communist. I mean 60% of Americans have a positive view of Socialism. Its not really Gen Z being right wing, they are tired of the current system and is deparate for change, ANY change. So... lets hope they don't choose change into the wrong direction.
Is this because of the housing crisis? Where houses are getting more expensive faster than wage growth and inflation? Or is it immigration even for the younger generations?
Young men need mentors and someone to help them un-weave the confusion that media sows. Give them someone who listens, can relate, and sets an example; so they stop running to extremists voices who are more than willing to accept them and talk to (at) them
Listen, teach, be an example for other young men. Nobody should be in this alone and we can't allow young people to slip through the cracks, because someone will be waiting to "help them", for better or worse
Not just young men. I'm in the 40+ range and Canadian yet still have at least one friend who's getting his info from something like Fox and numerous relatives who seem to have succumbed to the brain-worm since Covid
Watch the 20 v 1 where Mehdi from Zeteo takes on a bunch of MAGA folk. They’re all 20-30 years old and it’s fucking crazy how many of them are blatantly racist and/or fascist. I’ll have to come back with the video link for you guys.
Isn't that usually inverted though? Where the 1 is generally the one with extreme views and the 20 are deliberately picked to be inarticulate and oafish, thus promoting the extreme view? Admittedly it's likely impossible to find a MAGAt that isn't inarticulate and oafish.
This was on a YouTube channel, so it was just some dude and not like an official news source, but back in 2020 I found a Trump speech with German subtitles. Specifically, it was the time Trump said to stop testing for COVID so that there wouldn’t be any cases.
The exact quote is: "If we stopped testing right now, we'd have very few cases, if any."
But the subtitles meant something like “We’ve done the tests and have very few cases.”
So, it completely changed the statement from something utterly stupid and ridiculous to reporting that the US just didn’t have many COVID cases, which was obviously false.
I don't think he can bring hope and change, overcoming the status quo is decades of work at muitiple levels of government supported continuously by voters.
Must not have had to pay a mortgage, or interact with cops, or be a brown person in the wrong country, or a kid in a cage, or stuck in a torture chamber in Gitmo, or use health care, etc. etc. etc.
It all happened. You just ignored it, same as with Genocide Joe.
You should see the racists from my shit hole county. In northeast Pennsylvania. Legit going out of their minds. And saying shit like their 20k a year income could ever afford them a life in NYC. Like sit down Tony. No one cares what you and your 41bmi has to say. Maybe take care of your health before you open your mouth.
Zohran Mamdani, the Democratic Socialist candidate for mayor of New York City, won his race with more than 50% of the vote, even though every prominent right-wing personality including Trump and Musk endorsed his challenger, and millionaires and billionaires throughout the city and the country dumped truckloads of money on Cuomo's head.
The old guard Dem national leadership also refused to support Mamdani when he won the primary over Cuomo the sex pest. Fucking Schumer refused to endorse Mamdani.
Schumer (like so many DNC fossils) is bought by AIPAC. Isreal doesnt want US politicians that are critical of them.
But, perhaps simpler than that, I think Schumer would hate on Mamdani for free. I think Schumer is (even without money) a staunch Zionist, Islamophobe. Hes definitely anti-progressive and a firm corpo capitalist democrat. All his talk about strength and diversity is just lip service.
I'm not remotely entertained by shot like this and find it weird people are. It's a weird sort of cope exactly like the meme is portraying. People are hurting everywhere because of the regime and you're here laughing it up like we dun won it.
I hope Mamdani does well because he's going to be under a magnifying glass and behund a wall of anti person propaganda.
Hell have to exceed what any mayor should have to be able to do and even then the media will call him mid.
The thing is, if Mamdani winning is "not good," then what would be good? Is there any "good" thing the U.S. people can do, in your opinion?
We're up against a fascist who's already been aggressively attacking his own people. We have to be practical here. Overturning the old guard has to start somewhere. Any step toward resistance is going to piss off those in power, but isn't that better than lying down and doing nothing?
That's fair. Appeasement worked really well for Neville Chamberlain, so we should follow his lead and just give Trump this one thing. I'm sure, based on his track record, he won't demand anything else.
Appeasement did its job. It gave Britain time to retool for war. He also fell on his political sword, at the end. That let Churchill actually defend Britain, with a clean slate, and the military he had built.
Putting aside the hypothetical about which side benefitted more from appeasement, what's the equivalent here? Give Trump everything he wants and hope that he let's you still have an honest election in 2026? 2028? Hope that he leaves office after two terms when his biggest projects seem to be adding jets and ballrooms to his taste? Hope that he keeps over and dies? And what are you willing to give up for those hopes? Martial law in Chicago? An NYC mayor who's more focused on feeling up his secretaries than on addressing the cost of living crisis? Mass deportation of American citizens? Forced and intentional starvation of American citizens? Destruction and corporate capture of our federal institutions? Obliteration of the rule of law? Continued support for genocide in the Middle East and abandonment of our allies in Europe and across the globe? Where's your Poland and what are you trading Czechoslovakia for?
Fully agreed. There's a huge difference between tactical appeasement, and being cowards. Chamberlain at least knew what he was doing was bad. It was trying to fix it.
American democrats don't even have that excuse. I also doubt they will fall on their swords for the sake of those coming in who might be able to fight back either.
I mean the problem with this position is that the GOP doesn't really need any excuse to escalate things. We've seen for decades now that if they can't find real reasons to do some hateful thing they will fabricate reasons, lie outright, or simply do the thing anyway. There's also the large historical parallel to nazi germany and Hitler. Europe tried to appease them by capitulating over and over and it got them nothing. The parallels are obvious to our current position and we can either resist as much as possible now and maybe stop things from getting that bad or we can roll over giving them what they want and things will just keep getting worse. They won't stop because you roll over. They won't ever have hurt people enough to satisfy them.
Let him dig the GOP an even deeper hole then. The more people he hurts the weaker he becomes. It's unfortunate that Americans were dumb enough to even get into this situation in the first place.
R/conservative is really funny right now. They're clawing their own eyes out over literal NYC just because it's Daddy's favorite place
NYC hates trump, which makes it funnier
Psyched for Mamdani and NYC but it's hard to believe how many people voted for a sexual harassmer who is also openly corrupt
Is it "hard to believe" when the Americans voted twice to elect a full on rapist for President?... with the added qualifications of convicted felon, fraudster and 99.99% likely a pedophile?
I think it's time to accept Americans could not care less about sexual assault, women or kids rights.
Yes, that is a generalization with a nasty connotation but that is what Americans have shown to be
Yes, it's surprising because it's NYC. I expect better from a city that's 60-70% liberals.
The issue, IMO, is the "fuck you, got mine" attitude from so many Americans.
Sure, someone who identifies as a "Liberal" may not want trans people be victimized but if they themselves are not trans (or maybe a close loved one), it's really someone else's problem not really worth doing anything about... maybe a post online
Fascism has taken over in the USA because of decades of dumbing down the public and rage farming... but the actual cause at the moment is that the raging idiots are willing to take action while the rest, unless personally affected, "can't be bothered"
I am sorry, do you not know who run the presidency?
Yeah but it's NYC. A lot of people voting for him voted against Trump.
You say that like it isn't the totally normal thing that seems to happen more often than not
If you think that's wild wait till you hear about all the law enforcement officers across the country that voted for a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist.
the russian mods have to reorient the sub soon enough.
It's quite fascinating that, on the one hand they think everything he tries will fail and he won't achieve any of the things he promised, and at the same time they also think his policies will destroy New York City and all the business will leave.
The enemy is both weak and strong
Schrödinger's Politician ..
Well, in a general sense (meaning, to be extra clear, I am not referring to Mamdani specifically), "these ideas won't accomplish what he intends" and "these ideas will mess everything up" are not mutually exclusive at all. They're essentially the same sentiment, if you think about it.
I think the confusion is in the incorrect assumption that only the successful execution of a policy/idea/etc. can do the latter, but the same level of damage could easily happen in the course of an ultimately-failed attempt, as well.
That's enough pedantry from me for now, though, lol.
If you're going to be pedantic, you have to always reread for typos 😂
Lol bet
Busses can't be free if his radical left wing agenda breaks all the busses. Checkmate commie.
Those aren't mutually exclusive though
They can stay in the Mississippian trailer park. Leave the rest of the country alone.
Reverse secession - can we force them to secede? I'm really tired of all progress in this fucking country being attacked by idiots.
Exile?
Republicans are scared shitless that people will get another taste of socialism like they did with the wildly popular FDR..
The race was rigged! The people of Kentucky will not let this stand!
LMAO. TBH I don't blame them [people in Kentucky confused the polls were closed] because 1 - civics education = no; 2 - the way the NYC election was covered, you'd think it was a national race.
It was a national race, spiritually
It wasn't Mamdani vs Cuomo, it was Mamdani vs Trump
I hope what we take most from this is that 2026, 2028 is NOT "too early" or "too high stakes" for an ACTUAL progressive campaign. The DNC has used that argument 3x with Trump and lost said elections twice (only winning 2020 because Trump bombed w/ Covid-19). I'm certain we'll hear it again in the next two national elections.
Having a competent populist leftist politician is not a detraction. Quite the opposite. NO to Gruesome Newsom
If AoC wins the primary I'll vote for her.
If Newsom wins the primary I'll vote for him.
I'll be donating to AoC's campaign though.
That's definitely the praxis here.
By any chance do you have a good link that explains all the terrible stuff Gavin has done? I know some of the stuff but my memory is not like it used to be and my wife was asking and I wanted to explain to her that even though he's making some funny Trump jokes he's a piece of crap himself
No good link, but there definitely should be one at some point. That's an idea to consider.
Here are some of Newsom's worst decisions:
Thank you
It would be next to impossible to find a video like the one you're asking for without MAGA pollutants.
I can name off one thing, his partying with incredibly expensive wine and food at the height of the pandemic after the mask mandates. That was the big thing for me that convinced me he's a differently colored snake.
I think the housing and homeless stuff would be worse. However I was not asking for a video. Definitely prefer not to be a video, actually.
Truth be told, I didn't really know much about his homeless policies at the time. I was very much keeping my head buried as far as I could in whatever I could to avoid everything. This was just the piece of information that managed to reach me that made me think he's not too good of a guy.
Because you're right, how he's 'helped' the homeless is absolutely worse.
Fucked over the homeless in Cali, thrown trans people under the bus rhetorically.
He's not wrong that he has signed a lot of legislation protecting trans Californians, but he's been going into right wing talk show spaces and nodding soberly saying yeah, you have some good points about their moral panic about us.
Just to be very clear, the DNC leadership is antagonistic to our (I assumed) shared goals.
The Democrats are obviously what needs to be supported in a 2 party system, so regardless of the DNC antics, the sacrifice for not choosing them will be more severe, and they know that.
I'm saying this all to say, absolutely support a progressive candidate if you can in the primaries, but when it comes election time, fall in line.
Also, there is a big problem where Mamdani is supremely clever and fast on his feet, having practiced every comeback a million times in the shower, ready to let them rip on command.
At the federal there is no one with that level of natural charisma or wit.
That's something important to point out.
No.
A candidate campaigns for MY vote.
The Democratic establishment can prove they aren't an obstacle to progress, me blindly voting for them is no longer a grace I automatically extend to a party hellbent on sabotaging progressives even if it means losing to literal fascists.
Sure, and compromise is inherent to democracy. So go vote for who you want in the primaries, and vote against who you don't want in the general.
Absolutely, but I will not keep falling in line for candidates that would rather lose than listen to me and publicly and emphatically support the very reasonable policies I want.
At a certain point my vote is earned, it has to be or else I will be ignored.
I think you are missing the meaning of "compromise". You need to vote for the candidate that will best represent you... And part of the best representation equation is being able to win the election.
No, the Democratic Party is selectively missing the meaning of "compromise" only when it comes to shutting down progressives, they are happy as hell to hand power to conservatives.
I know what compromise looks like and I reward it when I see it.
I rest my case.
Oh! I guess if being able to win an election is part of the compromise maybe all the non voters for Hillary and Kamala were right.
Do you not feel the irony of calling that out when the winner of both of those elections was trump?
To use a phrase... If I had a nickel for every time we've elected orange Hitler, I'd have two nickles, but it's weird that it happened twice.
What democracy?
Any/every democracy?
I meant to imply the USA does not have one.
Last time this primary vs general was paid attention to (internationally at least), it was because Bernie was about to out-primary Hillary and then the Democrats figuratively put their thumb on the scale and gave it to Hillary.
I absolutely understand even a dead rat would be better president than the Pedophile in Chief you have now. But the people of the USA barely have a very indirect path to elect their representatives... this is a democracy like Cheetos are "food"
Okay. I meant to imply that any democracy (practically by definition) is based on compromise, which is why I said that straight up instead of snarkily (and unhelpfully) bashing the USA.
As for the Hillary-Bernie thing... At then end of the primary, Hillary had like 3 million more votes than Bernie did. Notably, Bernie conceeded to Hillary and even campaigned for her, because he knew that she was much better than trump, and democracy is inherently a compromise.
This stupid shit will lose you the ability to vote, and fuck over millions of people not deserving the blunt end of said stupidity.
It's been seen time and time again that democrats losing shifts them right.
Thats what happens.
The DNC knows that all they have to do is play "At least we're not trump" and they're happy enough.
You acting like a petulant child, as if somehow you're really getting back the rich out of touch people is pants on head stupid. It's you that loses the most. Actually no, its the marginalized people who lose the most, yet you sit there, pout, and fuck yourself and your fellow country while having a childish tantrum.
They won't, and you already know this, so you can either be mature and pragmatic by realizing this and voting as best aligns with your interests while trying to change the party over time as this is a 2 party winner takes all/first past the post style system, or you can act like a child, and self harm;throwing a tantrum whilst walking a tight rope.
I refuse to believe real people and not fascists agitators can have opinions this brain dead.
It's literally the political equivalent of throwing a hissy fit about the amount of foam in a latte. Literal Karen voters.
This is exactly why people with your perspective are destroying this country and keep losing elections to fascists, y'all refuse to believe reality and instead feel the need to force a moral judgement on votors not giving your shit candidates votes automatically because "other side bad".
That is their choice, not mine.
Its crazy you say shit like this when we both support progressiveness. "You are realistic and therefor bad".
They literally aren't my preferred candidates. That was inherent to the statment that they were not preferred but you still should because not doing so is petulant tantrum throwing that hurts many, including yourself.
You badly want reality to just work the way you want it to work instead of the way it does, and would rather be delusional than face the facts.
You literally can't logically justify your emotional and self harming behaviour and never stop to self reflect on why that is.
100% your choice. Fortunately you are an (insane and child like) minority, but holy fuck do you not help.
Stop condescending me, Kamala campaigning with Liz Cheney daughter of deceased war criminal Dick Cheney while utterly silencing Palestinian voices was what lost the US presidential election, not progressives.
No, this is a tea party moment for the left, we don't need the Democratic Party, they need us and they are still refusing to behave like they do.
No. You're wilfully harmful takes actively deserve that as you seek to hurt unrelated people for the actions of people who will be completely insulated from your tantrum.
Maybe the first part, but any people who protest voted over the Palestinians have the blood of the thousands more that have been killed on their hands as a direct result.
You cannot simply ignore the world just because its not the way you want it to be.
The movement that ultimately still voted for republicans when the time came for the most part as it was incredibly small because anyone who understand math understands that in a winner takes all/first past the post system you can't have more than 2 main parties?
No. You have it backwards. They're fine with losing. You aren't. You and people you must be pretending to care about get fucked when they lose. They know that, and so you aren't making them stop and think, you're just fucking yourself and others harder.
You do know that when you start insulting your opponent you've both lost the argument and shown your ass, right?
Hopefully one day you'll realize that you are the problem, that it is you carrying water for the right-wing party that together with the far-right-wing party have turned the good ole USA into a right-loving hellhole, slowly but surely over the last 50 years or so. Always unable to understand why a growing number of people are done with your political farce, just foaming at the mouth as your shill cries of blue-compliance and lesser-evil voting fail to do anything.
No, I don't know that, because its something people without actual points in their favour bust out when they feel the other person has been too blunt.
In this case, the other person wishes to harm a significant amount of people. I owe them no apologies, and the only people showing their asses are the people treating significant, real life politics like a game and as if they were children flipping all the pieces off because they didn't win.
The thing about this child like understanding of this easy to understand system where only 2 parties will ever have a chance due to the math of it being a first past the post/winner takes all system, is that the very obvious only way to change said system without tremendous blood shed, is by slowly transitioning the party closest to your goals over time. Because this can't be completed faster than a short on tiktok or youtube, you get enraged and think the whole system can never be fixed. Do you have a solution? Of course you don't though. You'd instead have it get more broken, harming you and your causes more.
This by itself is tremendously ignorant to the massive differences in policy between the 2 parties. All of this comment is filled with impotent irate ignorance.
Congratulations, you are why Trump was elected. It's your fucking obligation as a citizen to be informed and engaged in our process. Is the two party system bullshit? Yes. But the way it's set up if you abstain or vote third party that's effectively a vote for a republican, and you are very nearly as responsible as them. You want a more progressive dnc? Register and fucking primary incumbent establishment dems with progressives. Drag the party left or own the fucking responsibility of being a part of the problem.
Congratulations, people like you are why Democrats lose when they try to appeal to what they perceive to be centrist views and betray their base for massive corporations :)
Democrats lose when they fail to turn out their base because their base knows they are full of shit...
Where in the hell have you been for the last thirty years? The Democrats are a centrist party. If anything they're a center right party because of people spouting bullshit like you instead of pulling the party left. If every whiny liberal and leftist actually fucking voted in primaries for progressives we'd have a populist progressive Democrat party. But you'd rather bitch on the internet about your bullshit principles that got trump elected.
Don’t vote to get the best party in. They all suck. Vote to keep the worst party out.
Well yes, until a point
… and that’s how Trump got in.
Is it?
YES
You are enabling fascism.
I wish I could down vote this a thousand times !
Did I say I voted for Jill Stein?
Yes
Shit, we'd be lucky if they went with someone as marginally craptastic as Newsom. We can't put any candidate in if they have any chance of getting any of our agenda in; they have to be 100% right-friendly or they won't even try.
My bet is they kill him. (I don’t like it I’m just saying)
And then they blame it on "left wing political violence" and then the shooter's family will be like "look at all these pictures of him wearing maga hats" and then the media will be like "but he had a high school class with someone who's cousin was bisexual so he's obviously a left wing lunatic".
lol. It’s almost Word for Word
Complete with a completely fake made up text log with children talking like love sick ww2 soldiers.
"NEW YORK WILL BE DESTROYED JUST LIKE PORTLAND!!!!!!!!!!"
Logs into all the public webcams in Portland and sees that everything is fine and, oh my, what a beautiful city.
Buys a plane ticket to Portland just in case the webcams were fake news. Oh yes, oh my, what a beautiful city.
I know it's a tangent, but oregon has one of the best Webcam setups I've ever seen. Tripcheck
Wow. Thank you for sharing!
And our parks levy ballot measure just passed!
Sadly, they aren't all old. The alt-right recruitment drive that's been running for the last decade or so has borne a lot of fruit.
Yup.
Starting to think GenZ/Alpha aren't going to save us. Not the men anyway. They're buying into that dogshit hook, line, and sinker.
Millennials are the last generation to not be raised by an algorithm, and also seemingly the only generation that doesn't get more conservative as they age, so I guess it's up to us to save the planet.
Millennials are getting more conservative as they age, at least in the US. We thought this might be true during Trump's first term when the age gap in voter behavior was so large, but millennials were delayed in reaching the wealth milestones like homeownership and to a lesser degree childbirth. We weren't shut out entirely.
As millennials reach their peak earning power we will get more conservative still. The fact of the matter is that being poor shortens your life and being rich stunts your empathy. Individuals don't change their politics much. As time passes the poor die off from the generational cohort and leave the rich conservative assholes.
Wealth concentration to the rich will push each succeeding generation left as a greater proportion of people are locked out of wealth accumulation, but that has a few generations to go before the limits and a tip into facism is always possible as we see right now.
Tbf, Gen Z just has a more "doomer" mindset, they don't care anymore, they'd happily vote for a far-right, or even a socialist or a communist. I mean 60% of Americans have a positive view of Socialism. Its not really Gen Z being right wing, they are tired of the current system and is deparate for change, ANY change. So... lets hope they don't choose change into the wrong direction.
ANY change.
Is this because of the housing crisis? Where houses are getting more expensive faster than wage growth and inflation? Or is it immigration even for the younger generations?
Housing and cost of living are the big drivers, but there's racist weirdos still
Young men need mentors and someone to help them un-weave the confusion that media sows. Give them someone who listens, can relate, and sets an example; so they stop running to extremists voices who are more than willing to accept them and talk to (at) them
Listen, teach, be an example for other young men. Nobody should be in this alone and we can't allow young people to slip through the cracks, because someone will be waiting to "help them", for better or worse
Not just young men. I'm in the 40+ range and Canadian yet still have at least one friend who's getting his info from something like Fox and numerous relatives who seem to have succumbed to the brain-worm since Covid
Watch the 20 v 1 where Mehdi from Zeteo takes on a bunch of MAGA folk. They’re all 20-30 years old and it’s fucking crazy how many of them are blatantly racist and/or fascist. I’ll have to come back with the video link for you guys.
Edit: here you go https://youtu.be/2S-WJN3L5eo
Thanks for this added perspective. I’m not surprised, but I did not know nor did it even occur to me that some of them may be paid shills.
Isn't that usually inverted though? Where the 1 is generally the one with extreme views and the 20 are deliberately picked to be inarticulate and oafish, thus promoting the extreme view? Admittedly it's likely impossible to find a MAGAt that isn't inarticulate and oafish.
That was wild, thanks!
It's like fire voting for water. It's honestly hard to wrap your mind around.
I don't know how true this is.
I read recently that when Trump's speeches have been translated for non-English speakers, they are wildly different than what he is actually saying.
And when bilinguals translate for them directly, they aren't believed because the literal translation is pants on the head crazy.
This was on a YouTube channel, so it was just some dude and not like an official news source, but back in 2020 I found a Trump speech with German subtitles. Specifically, it was the time Trump said to stop testing for COVID so that there wouldn’t be any cases.
The exact quote is: "If we stopped testing right now, we'd have very few cases, if any."
But the subtitles meant something like “We’ve done the tests and have very few cases.”
So, it completely changed the statement from something utterly stupid and ridiculous to reporting that the US just didn’t have many COVID cases, which was obviously false.
we know schumer, and the rest of the old guard dnc also melting down.
“What are we going to do when an actual liberal does the job we were supposed to be doing?!”
he said he will continue supporting israel, and then add some wierd boomer talk like as the "left"
Enjoy it while it lasts.
Having lived through 2008 and 'Hope and Change', I don't expect much out of Mamdani. I'd love to be wrong about that.
Here's hoping a democratic socialist turns out to be more progressive than your standard "not actually liberal" democrat.
I'm hoping a democratic socialist outperforms a corporate Democrat. He's going to face a lot of push back so it's going to be a struggle.
I think it won't be for lack of trying. He will be stymied at every turn by the city council, oligarchs, feds, etc.
I don't think he can bring hope and change, overcoming the status quo is decades of work at muitiple levels of government supported continuously by voters.
Cumo could make it worse though.
The big mistake of 2008 was thinking electing Obama was sufficient. He'd go get it all done from there.
Doesn't work that way. This is a marathon, not a sprint.
The big mistake was believing him at all.
He got plenty of it done, but his policies were oppressive and he fucking lied to us about it.
Yeah, I totally felt oppressed while Obama was president.
/s
Must not have had to pay a mortgage, or interact with cops, or be a brown person in the wrong country, or a kid in a cage, or stuck in a torture chamber in Gitmo, or use health care, etc. etc. etc.
It all happened. You just ignored it, same as with Genocide Joe.
Watch "Yes, Minister" for more background.
It's ancient but it totally still applies.
You're right. They all get absorbed by the corrupting blob.
You should see the racists from my shit hole county. In northeast Pennsylvania. Legit going out of their minds. And saying shit like their 20k a year income could ever afford them a life in NYC. Like sit down Tony. No one cares what you and your 41bmi has to say. Maybe take care of your health before you open your mouth.
What are the young racists doing right now?
Putting on blackface for Instagram instead of going out for Halloween
Every 60 seconds in New York, a minute passes.
New Yokers with beards are just New Yorkers without beards with beards.
They all said they'd leave if he won. I'm waiting for them to do just that.
"I feel a disturbance in the billions"
Whats happening?
Zohran Mamdani, the Democratic Socialist candidate for mayor of New York City, won his race with more than 50% of the vote, even though every prominent right-wing personality including Trump and Musk endorsed his challenger, and millionaires and billionaires throughout the city and the country dumped truckloads of money on Cuomo's head.
Don't forget he's the first Muslim mayor of New York, a city with more Jews than anywhere outside Tel Aviv!
Oh yeah. There's tons of stuff about him that's novel and impressive and will make MAGAs big mad.
The old guard Dem national leadership also refused to support Mamdani when he won the primary over Cuomo the sex pest. Fucking Schumer refused to endorse Mamdani.
Schumer (like so many DNC fossils) is bought by AIPAC. Isreal doesnt want US politicians that are critical of them.
But, perhaps simpler than that, I think Schumer would hate on Mamdani for free. I think Schumer is (even without money) a staunch Zionist, Islamophobe. Hes definitely anti-progressive and a firm corpo capitalist democrat. All his talk about strength and diversity is just lip service.
Yessss. Zohran congrats
He won every borough... except Staten Island, where said millionaires and billionaires live.
I'm not from or in New York, but even from the Midwest, Staten Island has that vibe.
Rich people and islands, name a more iconic duo.
Also retired cops
"Ooh, I'm tellin' Mama!"
Reruns are over now the fall season has started
I stream that shit but I have nothing against network television. We can never have enough of procedural crime dramas. /s
Pass me that bottle of copium
People who have never set foot in a big city, let alone NYC
I'm not remotely entertained by shot like this and find it weird people are. It's a weird sort of cope exactly like the meme is portraying. People are hurting everywhere because of the regime and you're here laughing it up like we dun won it.
I hope Mamdani does well because he's going to be under a magnifying glass and behund a wall of anti person propaganda.
Hell have to exceed what any mayor should have to be able to do and even then the media will call him mid.
This is not a cakewalk.
In our midst? You're from Peru, about as far from NYC as it's possible to be in this hemisphere.
"In our midst" LMAO! Why do right-wing trolls have to be such scared pussy drama queens?
I am bored at work. I have to entertain myself somehow before I can be free for the day
So your job makes you a scared pussy drama queen. Got it. 👍
This would've been a weak troll in 2001. In 2025, it's just sad. For you, I mean. Try harder.
/s I fucking hope
I like the Islamic ones better than the white Christian ones that have been attacking America for years.
I see. Maybe giving the old orange rapist whatever he wants will make you feel better about things?
Trump is like that god mouth from Star Trek TOS. Just have to throw food and the village's underage daughters in there to appease him.
The thing is, if Mamdani winning is "not good," then what would be good? Is there any "good" thing the U.S. people can do, in your opinion?
We're up against a fascist who's already been aggressively attacking his own people. We have to be practical here. Overturning the old guard has to start somewhere. Any step toward resistance is going to piss off those in power, but isn't that better than lying down and doing nothing?
That's fair. Appeasement worked really well for Neville Chamberlain, so we should follow his lead and just give Trump this one thing. I'm sure, based on his track record, he won't demand anything else.
Appeasement did its job. It gave Britain time to retool for war. He also fell on his political sword, at the end. That let Churchill actually defend Britain, with a clean slate, and the military he had built.
Putting aside the hypothetical about which side benefitted more from appeasement, what's the equivalent here? Give Trump everything he wants and hope that he let's you still have an honest election in 2026? 2028? Hope that he leaves office after two terms when his biggest projects seem to be adding jets and ballrooms to his taste? Hope that he keeps over and dies? And what are you willing to give up for those hopes? Martial law in Chicago? An NYC mayor who's more focused on feeling up his secretaries than on addressing the cost of living crisis? Mass deportation of American citizens? Forced and intentional starvation of American citizens? Destruction and corporate capture of our federal institutions? Obliteration of the rule of law? Continued support for genocide in the Middle East and abandonment of our allies in Europe and across the globe? Where's your Poland and what are you trading Czechoslovakia for?
Fully agreed. There's a huge difference between tactical appeasement, and being cowards. Chamberlain at least knew what he was doing was bad. It was trying to fix it.
American democrats don't even have that excuse. I also doubt they will fall on their swords for the sake of those coming in who might be able to fight back either.
Failed pretty hard in Dunkirk
A lot of investment went into the RAF. Alongside the chain home radar net to guide it.
Without those, Dunkirk would have been soon followed by the invasion of the UK.
Sure, but I don't think appeasement would have made a difference in that
It brought time, to finish the stations and build the aircraft. Given how close the RAF came to being broken, it made all the difference.
Downvoting you not because I think you are wrong... the MAGA crap band will certainly sink to a new low
But because you seem to imply it would have been best to just put your head down and keep sucking...
Yeah, the maga idiots are going to be shitty regardless so why capitulate?
I didn't mean to imply that, but I see why you got that. Oops.
Hence why I clarified... benefit of the doubt and all that
Thanks. Deleted it because either the edit didn't go through or people wanted to be angry today.
Gotta remember not to post while distracted. Thanks! 💛
Quoth the liberal "Not this election cycle"
I mean the problem with this position is that the GOP doesn't really need any excuse to escalate things. We've seen for decades now that if they can't find real reasons to do some hateful thing they will fabricate reasons, lie outright, or simply do the thing anyway. There's also the large historical parallel to nazi germany and Hitler. Europe tried to appease them by capitulating over and over and it got them nothing. The parallels are obvious to our current position and we can either resist as much as possible now and maybe stop things from getting that bad or we can roll over giving them what they want and things will just keep getting worse. They won't stop because you roll over. They won't ever have hurt people enough to satisfy them.
Let him dig the GOP an even deeper hole then. The more people he hurts the weaker he becomes. It's unfortunate that Americans were dumb enough to even get into this situation in the first place.
True, but like that famous saying goes, we do not negotiate with terrorists.