Apparently, Rocket League and Fall Guys are being ported to Fortnite. Both games currently work on Linux, but in the future, they may require playing through Fortnite
and Epic Games stance on Linux gaming is known
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The idea of porting existing games into Fortnite is probably the worst thing I've heard of since I learned about CGNAT
Strongly doubt that these games will be entirely unplayable outside of Fortnite. Will eat hat if wrong.
Bookmarked
Also bookmarked but I do not think we will witness the consumption of head accessories…
Reminds me of the 00s when every tabletop game got ported to the d20 system (so, ported to be d&d compatible, kinda). It's a sign of the times when a monopoly starts absorbing everything else. Magic The Gathering just had a massively successful Final Fantasy set this past summer despite there being a full separate Final Fantasy trading card game.
And a lot of the artwork from the original card game too.
I really liked the card game as well. I ain't ever gonna touch the mtg version though
I quit Magic after Rise of the Eldrazi (played since 1998 or so) and seeing all these popular IPs ported into MTG feels REALLY weird to me. I don’t like it at all, but I DO like that it gets more people playing MTG, which is a game I always loved… but also more money for Wizards, who are fucking evil.
Ported... into... Fortnite? I don't understand what that means. Like portint Sonic into Mario it just, what
Fortnite is a massive platform now, not one game with a few modes. They have car racing, the actual fortnite game, Lego survival crafting, all kinds of stuff. It's why the download is 100+GB and every patch is like 50gb.
What the actual fuck? Glad I quit playing it years ago, cause I like new features but I hate when games stray too far from the original vision (yes I'm aware that BR is a spinoff but you get my point). Why still call it Fortnite, if building forts is no longer a core aspect of the game?
Might as well call it Niteblox.
Might as well additionally call it a new child predator's paradise.
Everything wants to be a platform now, so they can get a cut for minimal work.
They have Rock Band too. Yes really, it's even worked on by Harmonix, the original creators.
What even is the actual fortnite called now then? Battle royale?
The Battle Royale portion is called Fortnite Battle Royale. The true original Fortnite was a sandbox defense game that is now known as Fortnite: Save the World. They are both accessible from the Fortnite lobby.
Very confusing.
They're trying to create a Super-app, similar to what WeChat is in China, but for games. Very interesting concept, there's a lot of videos about the concept. Though I detest the idea of centralized apps and accounts therefore more central tracking of you.
Like Roblox, actually. They are trying to stanch the users' leaking out of their cash cow, but shoving everything in will just piss off the kids when fourth 50+ GB patch hits. As for Rocket League, they already mismanaged it to shit, the levels have lost all flair years ago, new ones are inexplicably ugly.
Don't forget, too, that quite a few people now play No-Build Battle Royale. Honestly it's just Nite at this point.
Prolly a new Fortnite game mode and cutting off the original games?
Do they even own the publishing rights to the originals to even cut them off? It sounds to me like they’re just making game modes that mimic the gameplay.
Edit: googled it and omg they do.
I've got a couple thousand hours in Rocket League over the years but Epic has successfully made it so insufferable that I haven't played it in about a year. Such a shame.
Stop killing games? What about stop fucking up games?
We seriously need to have a long conversation about what constitutes a refund on a game. I got several thousand hours of good times out of this game but the game that I paid for is no longer available.
The thing is, you never paid for a "game" in the first place. You paid for a license with a whole boatload of conditions.
The thing that needs to be fixed is not refunds, but what "buying" something digital means in the first place.
I didn't say I purchased a game, I said I paid for a game. Whether that's a "purchase" or a "license" is irrelevant to the fact that I can't even play the game I "licensed" either.
They have altered the license. Pray they do not alter it further.
Hmm, your original response pre-edit was a lot nicer.
I also didn't use the word purchase. You said "paid for a game", I quoted you as saying you "paid for a game".
Why are you pretending I misquoted you?
Because the difference seemed to be what your point was. If it wasn't, I have no idea what it was. I paid for a license for a game. Thus I paid for a game.
That was my point -- I was building off of what you said...
This is exactly the problem. This should be true, but it isn't in most cases.
Store's like GOG get much closer by giving you a DRM free copy. But some would say that even then, if you aren't allowed to modify and distribute that, you don't really own the game either.
Okay so if I didn't pay for a license for a game, what did I pay for?
You did, and that licence comes with plenty of terms that can restrict or revoke your access to that game.
Which shouldn't be allowed, but it is.
In an ideal world, you wouldn't have to purchase a license to the game at all. You could purchase the game itself by receiving a packaged copy of it along with a copy of the source code.
But something inbetween would be a nice start.
It's a wish list of what companies hope they can enforce. In the EU Windows licenses are transferable, for example.
One day a judge can say you actually paid for a Game.
Shut the fuck up with your pedantic points. We are broadly talking about having fun with a game. Who the fuck cares if I don't own it after 10 years? People mature, fads fade, and games get stale. Do I like it? No. But I am not going to derail all other conversations to make it about the point I am determined to shove into every around me. Fuck off.
Somebody needs a hug.
As soon as we stop needing those services. Most of the time it's:
No, legislate them away.
The game itself hasn’t changed at all since Epic acquisition. The only significant changes they have made are making it free and removing trading which don’t affect gameplay.
How about them making the variants like Snow Day unavailable unless it's in season, or at least that's how it looked to me when I logged back on after a year or two of not playing. I also remember when you could play Snow Day and it wasn't competitive.
Yeah, Snow Day and Dropshot are seasonal for ranked play. That’s because they were not popular enough on their own so it was taking too long to find matches at high ranks, making it hard to get the season title. Has nothing to do with the Epic acquisition though, just a need to reduce fragmentation on the player pool.
I would venture a guess that they are not popular enough because of the changes they made. I do recall a ton of people being pissed when they switched them to not having a casual option and went to ranked only. I wasn't sure about the epic acquisition having an effect though. Thanks.
They were made ranked on 2018, and Rocket League had its peak in player base around 2020-2021 after it became free. Unfortunately that was followed by a huge drop in player base in 2022, which led to the extra modes changes in 2023.
The changes they've made are adding 348953754 pop-ups every time you open a game or finish a match, and completely useless servers.
it has been like this since 2017. Now there’s maybe 1 or 2 extra pop-ups for the game pass garbage. Not that it’s a good thing, but it’s hardly a difference if it’s about 2 pop-ups or 4 pop-ups.
Do you seriously think Epic servers are worse than what they had before? Psyonix servers were famously horrible to the point that the CEO had to issue a statement in 2017: https://www.rocketleague.com/en/news/server-performance-a-letter-from-our-ceo/
Followed by another Psyonix statement a year later: https://www.rocketleague.com/en/news/rocket-league-server-performance-update
It hasn't.
No I don't. I know they are. Like the game is literally and unironically unplayable anymore. Maybe that's an issue that's affecting me specifically somehow but I don't have problems with any other games.
Great points. I now agree with you.
Glad we could find common ground 🙏
same thing happened to me for TF2: the game became free, but the game as released was no longer available... I'm looking forward to TF2 classic mod release. Apparently can already play it with the source sdk, but I haven't found time to try that yet 😅
Maybe people will do something similar for rocket league... 🤞
I haven't played rocket league since before they acquired it, what have they done to it?
When I remember I played native Linux version of Rocket League... 😿
on that note, but at a bit of a tanget: apparently SuperTuxKart has football mode now
I haven't checked it out yet, but it apparently came out in the fairly recent 1.5 patch - and it looks pretty similar, might scratch the same itch. Dunno how active the playerbase is.
It's still fun... but it also really makes you realize how much Rocket League relies on fancy graphics/etc.
Imagine supertuxcart overtaking rocket league. Ah well. One can dream.
Is that... Pepper as a playable character?
seems like it, it's one of the mascots shown on their website: https://supertuxkart.net/Discover
It's the only reason I bought that pile of shit. Them dropping support and then selling out to Epic left a sour taste.
Tim Sweeney is a bitch.
Am I out of the loop? What does this mean to port games to another game?
Is fortnite like a platform now rather than just the battle royale game?
Yeah basically new game modes. Rocket Racing is an arcade racer, Fortnite Festival is a rock band like rhythm game, both are entirely independent from battle royale but still integrated into fortnite eco system with skins and characters going between them. This is the metaverse vision that Sweeney never stops talking about coming to fruition.
So we’re heading into the shitty Ready Player One dystopian timeline but it’s gonna be in Fortnite?
KMN
It wasn't even originally a battle royale game. Before that was a co-op base defense/survival game with resource collection and building elements. Kind of a limited, kid friendly 7 days to die.
Fortnite is like roblox now, it has tons of user generated games inside of it (created using the fornite edition of unreal editor) and multiple epic created games
Some people will still argue that hating Epic for how it handles its games is unfair.
People think I'm crazy to not claim free games from Epic. I don't, and won't even have an account on that cursed platform.
Epic/Tim Sweeney can only do one thing really well: crying to the public.
Fuck Epic. Don't care if they merge all of their games into one shitty game. Fall Guys was cool before Epic bought it, same thing with Rocket League. Now I don't care about either game.
They want to be on iOS so bad with their game and store so they can farm credit cards of children's parents, yet they don't care about Linux at best, or are hostile against it at worst.
in the Unreal 3 era, almost every game was running on the unreal engine, and no one gave a fuck about the ID tech of the day (follow up to quake 3 engine)
Aren't both the entire COD lineage and the Source engine based around the quake 3 engine, they never used Unreal?
I think with source it's q2/1. Idk about COD, but sure, engines developed during the quake 3 era were probably 80/20 split. I'm taking about late 00s early 10s where even street fighter was on unreal engine(which it still might be)
The id tech I'm denigrating is the doom 3 engine which was used to make doom 3, quake 4, rage, prey and basically nothing else
RIP in peace Rocket League.
It was crippled years ago. Guess they want to end it's misery.
Porting a game into another game isn't a thing. There's not even a term for what this sounds like other than "dumb fuck bullshit"
I mean Fortnite is more a game engine than a game itself. It's far more comparable to Roblox than anything else
Game engine in a game engine.
More like an SDK for a game engine.
It's just UE5 with more limitations.
And since the two games they are "porting" into FN are already also built in Unreal, this isn't so much porting as it would be simply copying and pasting in code and assets.
A game engine built on Unreal engine.. ? hmm...
More like remaking them inside Fortnite.
Well that's one way to make sure I never play either of those games again.
As the guy that founded the Rocket League Discord server ive always been incredibly saddened by what happened after Epic bought Psyonix.
As someone who loved Nosgoth, Rocket League was the sads for me.
I don't understand, this happened years ago. Both Rocket League and Fall Guys originally came out on Steam, but disappeared from the Steam Store and became Epic Games exclusives. If you still own a Steam copy though, you can still play it.
Is this saying that the game will be unplayable without an Epic Games authentication or something? It's not like the Steam versions are getting updates anymore, so they should still be playable with other Steam members. Unless the publishers are pushing an update to the Steam version as well.
EDIT: Upon rereading, I see these games are being ported into another game. Does this affect Steam users at all, since Fortnite is an Epic Games exclusive?
I won't touch Epic Games, so this doesn't seem to have any effect on me.
RL on steam is getting updates but only for the windows client. The Linux & mac client is an old version that only works offline. I found this out the other day when I installed rocket league on steam to try out since I haven't played it in a long time
You can play online with Proton though (as of the last time I played at least)
Yeah I ended up installing the windows version with proton, had some weird hiccuping and regular intervals but that might just be me, otherwise it worked fine. I didn't actually try playing an online match though, only local multiplayer
I play RL through Steam, it's still getting all of the updates.
Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior; open source games?
’Open source‘ as in software freedom: licenses for code and media that allow modifications and redistribution.
This is on par with paying a subscription for heated seats in your car. These ideas are so unthinkable for normal people that I don't even know what to say.
I mean normal people would just download a fortnite launcher and not think the world is ending, it's really only us opinionated nerds who care about these things.
...what? I think I understand what this headline means, but am really struggling to understand how these other games/devs think this is a good idea. What the fuck...
Devs most likely disagree, but ultimately its not up to them. The company will do anything to further exploit the massive user base of fortnite because its one of the few behemoths they have that rake in money. They hope a lot of new people will see and play it and maybe spend some money. In the end its just the final avenue to go to milk these games of whatever left they will offer. They may get a big boost in players for the first month, then im sure it dies back down again.
All I wanna know is if these launchers will be the only way into the games or if the existing games will still work. I have played fall guys since its release, so if it's taken away in this way, I'll be a bit pissed off. I'll never use fortnite.
I just did a little sick inside my mouth.
Time to start spoofing VMs in WinBoat.
Most of the Rocket League code is already in Fortnite in the form of the Rocket League racing mode...
The Fortnite game size on my Xbox is already like 180Gb or some other stupidly high number.
How can leakers confirm anything? Some fourth-party leaks confirmed that third-party leaks were legit? If I was going to believe "leaks" without material proof, I'd have started with the original, third-party.
that means I can get a refund then if they require it? I bought it on steam before they sold to epic
I'm confused, what does that mean ? Will a rocket league -like "mini game" be available in Fortnite, like some sort of crossover ? Will Fortnite have multiple main games like LoL has TFT and Clash Royale has Merge Tactics ? Or will Fortnite just become a game launcher ??
It means Epic wants more users to play Fortnite, whatever Fortnite is. They could rename Unreal Engine into Fortnite at some point probably.
Fortnite already has a game mode in it called "rocket racing" which is a pretty competant track racing game.
I'm guessing it'll be like their other game modes where they basically port it to the specific version of Unreal Engine that Fortnite uses and build it in as a gamemode. There's actually already some clones of Fall Guys and Rocket League in Fortnite but it's still more a case of "playing $realGame but worse" due to limitations of the exposed engine features
you could play those on linux?
I wonder if I can get a refund because my game no longer works due to changes on their end.