First of all, our computers are always on. Those kernels don't compile themselves, three times a day. Secondarily we could, at least, turn our machines on without having to install a dozen of updates before having to reboot again.
I think this is making fun of the memes where it shows linux users going to (exaggerated) extremes to achieve something that is easy on Windows/other OS.
sleep and hibernate work fine on linux. I remember the olden days like 15 years ago where nothing of it worked. contrary to the stupid macos that was forced onto me which sleep means nothing and just keeps draining my bluetooth headphones battery anyway instead of turning off when I tell it to.
I still have issues on two separate machines. One won't hibernate sometimes, I suspect the nvidia card. The other has a new-ish ethernet card, which doesn't work after waking from hibernation (unless I reload the kernel module)
Yes. I leave my laptop running in the office overnight, and at the end of the day I have a bunch of note documents, papers, code editors, and corresponding plots open and arranged among multiple monitors. It's extremely annoying to re-do this setup the next day, so I leave it running. If hibernation worked reliably, I could turn the machine off at the end of the day.
Yeah, I have another one that has a stupid nvidia card that crashes when trying to hibernate sometimes. But that's nvidia fault, it was not something I would buy, was also forced upon me by another work place. At least it's consistent since many times it just crashes on boot up too and needs to be forced reboot up to 10 times sometimes.
Every few updates my Pop_OS! suspend would break (sleep and not wake, or sleep and wake immediately). I could never figure it out beyond knowing NVIDIA was the source. Worked around it by swapping my graphics card to a comparable AMD card-- now my machine sleeps like a baby.
Absolutely not. Nvidia GPUs and some network cards can and will break sleep on Linux. It's currently very much broken on my machine and I stopped trying to fix it. Up until a few days ago the PC failed to properly power down to a sleep state and would leave a whole bunch of things powered up, like the monitor and the fans and the lights. Now it's even worse. On top of all that, the computer goes right back into sleep seconds after it wakes up. Extremely annoying.
Despite OP insisting otherwise, I'm gonna assume you are correct. I use a lot of flavors of linux for a lot of things, but I don't have it on a laptop (other than as an alt boot in case of a crash), so it seems logical to me that's why this joke went over my head.
You'd still need to turn it on if it's in hibernate. Well, you might not need to push the power button, might have a laptop that can, while off, key off the lid switch. But the laptop's still off when it's hibernated.
Maybe try the kernel parameter amd_iommu=off if you have an AMD CPU (and you're talking about Linux and not Windows). I had the same problem and this fixed it for me.
I remember when windows used to brag about incredibly fast boot times.
Now, my 5 yo gaming PC takes about 30 seconds to wake up to the password screen. While my Linux laptop takes 15 seconds to go from cold start to desktop.
My 10yo gaming PC is probably "faster" to boot because it is set up to auto logon without password promt so it boots straight to desktop without any interruptions while my Linux laptop has pre-boot-authentication and then normal login. But between these two password promts is basically no time at all
@Sustolic@VitoRobles 15 years ago initng in linuxmint was doing magic; booting system to gnome2 desktop in 3 seconds from grub. On PCs with intel motherboard this was about 4 seconds from poweron. And moreover, this was on HDD.
Now all systems are bloated and cannot boot in 3 seconds even on SSD
Meanwhile, my work Windows laptop is significantly slower to wake up now as I'm forced to hibernate it thanks to them removing S3 sleep in favor of the modern standby shit.
Yeah, if I'm not using the computer I turn it off because why would I be wasting electricity? So it's the same for windows or linux to me. You do need to reboot your computer sometimes anyway. For linux it's when you update the kernel. For windows you just have to reboot for similar reasons or after you've spent a bunch of time trying to figure out why something isn't working and then in desperation "try turning it off and turning it back on again". Better to just turn it off when you're done using it and turn it on when you need it again and many of those issues are avoided completely.
So I turn off my computer when I'm not using it and I save power AND so the computer doesn't get glitchy. It doesn't take much time for the computer to boot up, so there's not much reason to not just turn it off when I'm not using it.
It doesn't really do a lot for most people since you just skip UEFI initialization, which yeah does save a lot of time but you still need to restart all your processes
The problem is that by the time I have said that to them it's already to desktop. I cursed Myself by having an operating system that is fast and efficient and I also did not install 18 different applications that open at boot. So now I just feel left out from the group not waiting for my computer to finish booting :(
You shouldn't drink water at all. It's basically lethal. Once you drink water you'll have to pee. And that won't stop until you die. It's called The Piss of Death.
On like, suspend or hibernate?
I am afraid to put my lap on suspend overnight.
Hibernate is actually usefull if you have hectic works on standby and have to shutdown
First of all, our computers are always on. Those kernels don't compile themselves, three times a day. Secondarily we could, at least, turn our machines on without having to install a dozen of updates before having to reboot again.
I knew there had to be a different reason for global warming. Linux users don't turn off their computers, thats why!
If systems that run Linux were to power down, that's it for almost all of the internet.
Sure, if you mean global data centers ;)
If people could just be kind and turn off the server when they leave.
If you close a tab, get a prompt; "it looks like you're leaving this website, would you like to power down the server(s)?"
And all websites use wake-on-lan over the internet so the first person every day just starts the server and the last one turns off the lights!
That's kinda how serverless works. You rent cpu time from a bigger cloud vendor and only spin up your servers when there is traffic.
My Ubuntu server has about 3 years of uptime right now, I don't get this mémé
Ubuntu doesn't count. It's not a real Linux.
Do you use arch by the way?
No, heretic. I'm more the orthodox kind of defender of the faith.
TempleOS, I presume?
Good one. I didn't even know there was such a thing.
Hmm I'm out of guesses then xD
Heretic?? Hahahahahahahaha!!!
Orthodox... I'm guessing vanilla Debian or Gentoo.
Right. Debian is the Roman Catholicism among the Linuces.
Does that make Ubuntu protestant?
Have you livepatched the kernel though?
Is the joke that hibernate and sleep states never seem to work right?
No its an antimeme. The joke is that everybody gotta turn it on.
I still dont get it :(
That’s because it’s lame. It’s not you.
It's lame in a funny way
No, it’s not. This isn’t anti jokes are funny now. People are really this bored I guess.
It's okay if you don't find it funny
I think this is making fun of the memes where it shows linux users going to (exaggerated) extremes to achieve something that is easy on Windows/other OS.
sleep and hibernate work fine on linux. I remember the olden days like 15 years ago where nothing of it worked. contrary to the stupid macos that was forced onto me which sleep means nothing and just keeps draining my bluetooth headphones battery anyway instead of turning off when I tell it to.
I still have issues on two separate machines. One won't hibernate sometimes, I suspect the nvidia card. The other has a new-ish ethernet card, which doesn't work after waking from hibernation (unless I reload the kernel module)
What's the point of hibernation? You have so much stuff open in some exact state you can't just turn off the computer?
It takes less time for me to boot fresh than to resume from hibernation (32GB of RAM)
Yes. I leave my laptop running in the office overnight, and at the end of the day I have a bunch of note documents, papers, code editors, and corresponding plots open and arranged among multiple monitors. It's extremely annoying to re-do this setup the next day, so I leave it running. If hibernation worked reliably, I could turn the machine off at the end of the day.
Yeah, I have another one that has a stupid nvidia card that crashes when trying to hibernate sometimes. But that's nvidia fault, it was not something I would buy, was also forced upon me by another work place. At least it's consistent since many times it just crashes on boot up too and needs to be forced reboot up to 10 times sometimes.
Nvidia should burn in hell.
Every few updates my Pop_OS! suspend would break (sleep and not wake, or sleep and wake immediately). I could never figure it out beyond knowing NVIDIA was the source. Worked around it by swapping my graphics card to a comparable AMD card-- now my machine sleeps like a baby.
Absolutely not. Nvidia GPUs and some network cards can and will break sleep on Linux. It's currently very much broken on my machine and I stopped trying to fix it. Up until a few days ago the PC failed to properly power down to a sleep state and would leave a whole bunch of things powered up, like the monitor and the fans and the lights. Now it's even worse. On top of all that, the computer goes right back into sleep seconds after it wakes up. Extremely annoying.
I use arch btw.
It was mostly because of Nvidia drivers. So many Linux issues is just Nvidia related.
Bs, I have had so many sleep issues on laptops without Nvidia graphics cards.
The most recent issue I had was something inhibiting sleep that I couldn't disable.
Before that it was being unable to decrypt the hibernate data on an encrypted disk.
Not bs just because you got lucky. :)
Do you mean unlucky?
Mine works
Despite OP insisting otherwise, I'm gonna assume you are correct. I use a lot of flavors of linux for a lot of things, but I don't have it on a laptop (other than as an alt boot in case of a crash), so it seems logical to me that's why this joke went over my head.
You'd still need to turn it on if it's in hibernate. Well, you might not need to push the power button, might have a laptop that can, while off, key off the lid switch. But the laptop's still off when it's hibernated.
my desktop and server get rebooted about once a month unless they get a new kernel or are pissing me off.
my laptop is dead about 50% of the time i turn it on.
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Uptime is 99.99%, gotta reboot sometimes.
Ksplice would like to have a word
But by the time the lid is up to reach the power button, it's already out of sleep and operational…
Lucky you! Mine just crashes when I try to enter Sleep mode leaving both screens on and frozen, and nothing at all working.
Maybe try the kernel parameter
amd_iommu=offif you have an AMD CPU (and you're talking about Linux and not Windows). I had the same problem and this fixed it for me.Hey, thanks! Unfortunately, I'm a very new Linux user (190 days according to fish), so I've no idea how or where I would set that parameter.
I remember when windows used to brag about incredibly fast boot times.
Now, my 5 yo gaming PC takes about 30 seconds to wake up to the password screen. While my Linux laptop takes 15 seconds to go from cold start to desktop.
My 10yo gaming PC is probably "faster" to boot because it is set up to auto logon without password promt so it boots straight to desktop without any interruptions while my Linux laptop has pre-boot-authentication and then normal login. But between these two password promts is basically no time at all
For me I can reach the windows desktop in around 14 or 15 seconds (auto login), for most people the biggest bottleneck is a slow bios.
Linux and windows normally have very similar boot times at least on my hardware.
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@Sustolic @VitoRobles 15 years ago initng in linuxmint was doing magic; booting system to gnome2 desktop in 3 seconds from grub. On PCs with intel motherboard this was about 4 seconds from poweron. And moreover, this was on HDD.
Now all systems are bloated and cannot boot in 3 seconds even on SSD
Meanwhile, my work Windows laptop is significantly slower to wake up now as I'm forced to hibernate it thanks to them removing S3 sleep in favor of the modern standby shit.
Yeah, if I'm not using the computer I turn it off because why would I be wasting electricity? So it's the same for windows or linux to me. You do need to reboot your computer sometimes anyway. For linux it's when you update the kernel. For windows you just have to reboot for similar reasons or after you've spent a bunch of time trying to figure out why something isn't working and then in desperation "try turning it off and turning it back on again". Better to just turn it off when you're done using it and turn it on when you need it again and many of those issues are avoided completely.
So I turn off my computer when I'm not using it and I save power AND so the computer doesn't get glitchy. It doesn't take much time for the computer to boot up, so there's not much reason to not just turn it off when I'm not using it.
May I introduce kexec
It doesn't really do a lot for most people since you just skip UEFI initialization, which yeah does save a lot of time but you still need to restart all your processes
Now my system uptime will be his entire lifespan
The problem is that by the time I have said that to them it's already to desktop. I cursed Myself by having an operating system that is fast and efficient and I also did not install 18 different applications that open at boot. So now I just feel left out from the group not waiting for my computer to finish booting :(
like when you drink water
100% of the time I drink water my mouth gets wet. I don't get it
Closing this ticket because it is a duplicate of #342 "My mouth is always wet when I drink water, please fix".
For me it's always my stomach. So weird
You shouldn't drink water at all. It's basically lethal. Once you drink water you'll have to pee. And that won't stop until you die. It's called The Piss of Death.
I’m pretty sure my average uptime for a Linux machine is like 10x my Windows PCs because they’re that much more stable.
Or needing a f*ckinr reboot everytime an update hits the shitty fan (gpo enforced)
Oh! I should turn off my laptop. Thx for the reminder
Yes. Same here. Leaving it on for another month would have been unreasonable.
That's how I turn mine off too.
You guys dont turn off your laptops? Isn't it bad for the pc? Oh my soul is too old lol
What you guys do instead?
Walk into an average mega corp office that is full of windows desktops, after everyone has left. Every pc is still on.
On like, suspend or hibernate?
I am afraid to put my lap on suspend overnight. Hibernate is actually usefull if you have hectic works on standby and have to shutdown
Just regular suspend.
We mandate that ours are left on for orchestration and maintenance purposes.
Gotta keep that uptime, leave it on
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Oh. Now I get it. Like finally.
Had to learn about antimemes first. Some of these jokes… like seriously. You need to know the history of the whole joke to get the latest iteration.
Not so much nowadays, but we remember!
ITT: linux users overthinking an anti-meme
*puter.
But I barely know'er