Dave Chappelle Criticizes Free Speech in America at Saudi Arabia Comedy Festival
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/dave-chappelle-free-speech-riyadh-saudi-comedy-festival-1236391872/?link_source=ta_bluesky_link&taid=68debdd004d79e00019ee0cbOpen linkView original on lemmy.ca593
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Makes it so easy to find the people who don't give a fuck about women when they suck the Saudi teats so openly
This was harsh. Extremely funny but also harsh
Not wrong though
Counterpoint: If America gave a fuck about women it
Wouldn't have bought oil from a repressive regime that suppressed woman's rights for decades and continues to do so.
Elected a pedophile rapist who engaged in the trafficking of girls.
Mourned and idolized a man who spread a religiously driven message that women should submit to men.
Unless you're saying supporting either nation implies a lack of support for women. Which would be an undoubtedly reasonable position.
I am intimately familiar with the ongoing hatred for women among Americans. Supreme Court rulings, legislative action, and modern campaigns for a return to lives of drudgery and involuntary childbearing are not even trying to sugarcoat the fact that we are considered lesser beings, despite being necessary for population growth.
Perhaps we can have a slightly more granular system than giving a fuck, yes/no, 1 or 0, black and white. May I suggest perhaps we count how many fucks a country has to give for women? On that scale, we would properly see that the US gives far, far more fucks about women than Saudi Arabia. I’ve been there. Do not casually equate the two.
Yes we can have a granular system but then do we acknowledge:
Saudi Arabia has made more progress in the right direction (though dictator driven) while the US has elected a rapist, pedophile trafficker of girls who is keen on undoing progress on woman's rights. One who was elected by millions of voters which suggests that many agree with his worldview.
That neither country respects women, even if one has developed more protections overall.
Whether your god is Capitalism or a religious deity, women are seen as having less value (monerarily or spiritually).
Please don't oversimplify my efforts to bring nuance to this discussion. Making a simple 'Saudi Arabia is worse than the US' statement without appropriate context opens the door to two inhumane outcomes that I cannot tolerate.
The dehumanization of people in Saudi Arabia for having perceivably less progressive values. We can disagree with people and their value system without forgetting their humanity. Unfortunately such arguments were used during the colonial era by Western powers to justify inumerable immoral acts.
The dismissal of challenges faced by women in the US because women in other nations 'have it worse'.
So while I firmly believe both countries are in the category of 'Needs Improvement' I am wary of reductive arguments being used to materially worsen conditions for women both here and there.
Chappelle has always been tone-deaf about many things, he's just more obvious about it since he's older. Glad more and more people are noticing his hypocrisy
He's also an active stain on his hometown, among other vile behavior. 🤷🏼♂️
In what way? There's this, and the punching down / anti-trans rhetoric thing, but it feels like you're talking about something else entirely.
Didn't he buy up and invest in the entire town and then extort them into doing his bidding or something?
At a Yellow Springs (Ohio) village‑council meeting in December 2021 he warned the council that he would pull his multi‑million‑dollar investment—plans for a restaurant and a comedy club—if they approved a zoning change that would allow new duplexes, townhouses and a parcel set aside for affordable housing. He said
“I’ve invested millions of dollars in this town. If you push this thing through, what I’m investing in is no longer applicable… I am not bluffing. I will take it all off the table.
“I cannot believe you would make me audition for you. You look like clowns… I will take it all off the table.”
His main complaint was that the affordable‑housing would sit right next to the site he intended to develop for his restaurant and comedy club which would affect their commercial viability.
The village council ultimately scrapped the affordable housing plan.
https://slate.com/business/2022/02/dave-chappelle-affordable-housing-ohio-yellow-springs.html
he is such a NIMBY
its was obvious when he became anti-trans, and when right wingers were flocking to his shows.
Jim Jefferies, Jimmy Carr, Kevin Hart, Pete Davidson... I was surprised to see these names on the lineup, what a bunch of sellouts.
This is from their contracts (found on https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-30/riyadh-comedy-festival-begins-with-pete-davidson-bill-burr/105833686):
Jimmy Carr isn't a surprise.
when has Jimmy Carr ever been a surprise?
Do jump scares count as surprises? If so, then frequently.
Jimmy is a cunt. Self admitted.
Yup, that guy just looooves the money. At least he openly admits it in his performances.
He was named in the tax evasion offshore account. The cunt is a traitor to his own country.
I couldn't give less of a fuck if anyone's a traitor to their own country in that way. The tax evasion is bad because of ethics, not because he "betrayed his country". It didn't have any effect on his lifestyle but he chose to do it anyway, it's all about him being a greedy fuck and not about Nationalism.
but how the fuck do you enrich yourself and not give back to your country? who else is paying for the police, roads, schools, hospitals, and then you also get to "vote" on how it's spent? I'm a low-wage broke fuck but I still pay taxes and that's how the government makes me contribute to everything we all benefit from. Meanwhile, this super wealthy multi-millionare twat does not, and tax evades instead? I'm someone who contributes to, and is hurt when I see my country struggles because we're all in this together.
You understand me right? that's why I used the word traitor. he should be jailed and not welcomed in the UK
Pete Davison is just mind blowing. He can’t even make jokes about how SA murdered his Jewish dad, while he sucks the dick of the men who murdered his dad
Who was his dad?
"Peter Michael Davidson was born on November 16, 1993 in the Staten Island borough of New York City to parents Amy (née Waters) and Scott Matthew Davidson. Scott was a New York City firefighter for Ladder 118 who died in service during the September 11th attacks, along with the rest of his unit."
from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Davidson
Ah ok. I thought he might have been a reporter who fell a foul of the kingdom.
Max whack
I invite you to stay there, Mr. Chappelle.
Bad title. He's criticizing the state of free speech in America citing the Jimmy Kimmel cancellation and people fired / cancelled over Charlie Kirk speech.
I don’t think anyone thought he was criticizing free speech. Yes, it’s a bad title, but it’s still hilarious to go to Saudi Arabia and pretend like they have more free speech rights
i did :(
Reading the comments here, a LOT of people seemed to think that he was criticizing free speech. Like, no curiosity whatsoever, just jump straight into judgement. 🙃
The headline literally says "Dave Chappelle Criticizes Free Speech", so that's quite understandable.
Bean soup phenomenon: the comment I replied to, with >100 upvotes, said:
Also, curiosity might involve digging deeper beyond merely reading a title, particularly since those are well-known these days for being click bait (titles I mean, even in cases where the articles themselves are not).
Think a little more about what you are trying to say here... that people are curious, that they did not simply judge upon merely reading the title, trusting others to get something right but then feeling the need to add onto that regardless?
Of course it is understandable. This is how right-wing polities are being enacted all across the globe currently: using well-established methodologies that offer tried and true results. I "understand" that all too well.
So what did he actually say?
Well, that sounds... accurate. Doesn't excuse the other things he's said, but... yea.
Edit: I stand by the first part of my comment. I was not paying enough attention to the second half ("it's easier to talk here..."). That part, not so much.
I mean, not really. If he really thinks it's easier to talk there than here, he should make a bonesaw joke on stage in Riyadh.
SA gave rules to the court jesters that went there, you cant criticize SA, or MSB, or islam in anyway, even inneundos or implying.
No they don't give a fuxk about insulting Islam. Many forign performers shitted on Islam so hard on stage there, and they doubled their pay for it and reinvited them agaim. They just shove it alongside because it'd look bad if they only said can't criticize the government
Did you see the contract he signed? “Easier to talk here” is just factually incorrect.
If you're looking for a factually correct comic, Carlin's dead.
Sorry to tell you but Carlin was also part of “the club” He was way too rich to be one of us, even if he made money pretending to be.
Where in your mind is this hard bright line
Hes the one who created the concept, the hard right line was on him to define.
But if you’re asking for my own opinion, when you’re a double digit millionaire (much richer with inflation) whose job it is to perform for sold out audiences, you’re no longer one of the little people
Okay, but you're also not in the club. At best you're the hired help.
I’m sure you see all people of my colour that way
Say what you will about repression of free speech in Saudi Arabia (and there is a lot that can be said), at least with a contract you know where the line is. The royal family knows they're not proponents of free speech.
America is in that awkward teenage phase of not knowing who they are right now, leaving a lot of ambiguity around free speech.
I appreciate Saudi Arabia's clarity. Even if they are objectively wrong. America just seems self-righteously confused, if such a state even exists.
Did he actually say anything about Kirk or did he chicken out?
I heard it'll cost you an arm and a leg to find out.
Is it accurate? Did he criticize the Saudi government?
I wonder how that went over. It’s obviously criticizing America, but really at the expense of SA by saying their free speech is shit. (Which if you think about it violates the terms of the contract someone else posted in this thread.)
Depends on his intonation. It can come across as complimentary depending on which word he emphasized.
He referenced the Charlie Kirk situation. He didn't say anything about Charlie Kirk. He's nothing more than a rightwing propagandist these days.
Well that’s the same thing Kimmel did, and they (un)fired him
Which is so funny that he became "one of the good blacks" or at least he's trying. The people he's appealing to still hate him, they just like his "message"
That's not what free speech is. The government has never attacked Chapelle for his speech.
His bigoted shit just isn't funny to GenZ and they don't mind telling him.
It's our right to Freedom of Association he has an issue with.
I hear that shit so often. "You can't even say anything anymore."
Yes you can. You can say whatever, you just don't like it when people call you out for that shit you have to say.
Conservative voices are being silenced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPNZTtoQBmA
Die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
It's so true yet so sad
hes becoming a degenerate villian.
I used to love chapel. Now not so much. He drank the Joe Rogan kool-aid
He also sent strong antivax messages to black Americans. I liked his comedy but he got addicted to money and is a disappointing human.
He was always a disappointing human.
He just used to be a funny disappointing human.
Now he's a sad, disappointing human.
Why always?
Things can be both funny and disappointing. He found disappointing things to say and made them funny with observation; it was his schtick, his only schtick. He was 'edgy' before edgy was hot. Low-effort humor, still funny to an extent, but a lot of people used it as a bar for their own disappointing observations, it bred acceptance of hate and racism because they thought funny == good.
Some people cannot separate their comedy/actions from what they should and should not do in real life. It enabled the "settle down it's just a joke BS". They idolized him; he became wealthy and a conservative mouthpiece.
punching down thats all they do now.
This
I’ll bet ya a whole dollar that he doesn’t know who Jamal Khashoggi was.
A whole dollar? That'll buy groceries for a week!
I’m in a war ravaged urban center. It’s all I have! Please take pity on my wallet!
he will probably joke, sounds like KELLOGS cereal since it sounds similar.
Excessive income causes brain damage
Aw man Bill Burr went too? Goddammit.
Couldn't have said it better
hes an opportunists like many comedians apparently. he was doing something very popular at the moment, aka the Luigi situation, and then immediately crawled back to whatever cave he came out of, not a peep after he made that statement.
Daily reminder anyone who makes appeal to collective moralism while denigrating a specific individual is almost invariably an intolerable cunt.
Also Bill Burr is a Legend
meh.
He has his weak points. His podcasts during lockdowns quickly degraded to one hour of him watching sports on TV.
I agree Bill Burr = Legend. That first part though, I could agree with you but then we’d both be wrong.
I was shocked as well. But I have to admit, to a certain extent Bill Burr has a point. Not everyone in that country is part of the Royal family and part of the oppression. And creating a doorway by introducing Western influences most especially Western comedy could conceivably bridge a gap there. However anybody criticizing the United States for attacks on freedom of speech while praising a place like Saudi Arabia needs to go fuck a horse.
Burr and Chapelle and Krusty the Clown are all there because they drove a dumptruckof money to their house. Their not made of stone.
Canyonerooooooooooo!
The crown are making big adult playgrounds for rich people so they can divest themselves of the financial road-to-nowhere that is oil. There's no morality in this, their people will still be deeply oppressed and no amount of witticisms will change that.
I don't even really judge Burr too harshly here, but the excuse is paper thin. I'd rather he just not give one and make a joke about how many millions he can't make cussing out hecklers in Tucson.
yea hence the sportswashing, entertainment washing, and recently buying UP EA for 55bn. last i ehard thier countries oil reserves are going to dry up by the 2050s, if not sooner, yea they are in deep trouble if they doing it this early on.
I don't disagree entirely and I'm sure they got a fat check out of it but you're not going to shit talk SA in SA without getting your head cut off
If ever there was a chance....
Billy Burka argument is total bullshit. They've accepted blood money for whitewashing and the whole world begged them to reject it and speak up instead. Close the gap of my ass bro. The only gap that needs closing is his holed brain to understand that this dictorship is fully enabled by his American government against the will of Saudi citizens. Go perform for Putin and Kim Un next.
I don't want to repeat myself. Read my comment to understand because you sound clueless how this shit works:
https://lemmy.world/comment/19750023
If he did it for free, his words might have weight. Might.
I mean ... a TV host just got fired/scathed/re-hired for talking about the fallout of a murder at a political rally.
So ... maybe the USA is not doing well with free speech.
It's not, and criticizing it is fair, but... from Saudi Arabia? The Trump admin is basically modelling themselves off their shit at this point. If he really felt this way in general, he wouldn't have performed at this show in the first place. Criticizing the way free speech is handled in one country while in another country known for chopping up journalists is tone-deaf and comes off as self-serving.
this quote is the best thing that i have to offer.
Americas protection of free speech is tenuous now that's for sure. But surely there's a difference between being cancelled and being murdered and chopped into pieces. Right?
So I use to live in Riyadh and worked for a defense company. I left during covid and seen a lot of hate filled shit there. The people in general, were very nice but I'm an American and male.
My wife is not an American or Saudian. She would be harrassed and even hit by the locals. They looked down on her unless I was around.
At work, I would routine run into non-Americans/Saudians. Holy shit did they treat them bad. From forcing them to do degrading stuff or just belittle them in public.
Those were just the "normal" people. The royal family members were on a completely different level. Everyone used encrpyted chat services and if you posted about anything illegal, expect the Matowa (secret police) to visit your ass.
Fuck all those going there and speaking all rosey for blood money.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_the_Promotion_of_Virtue_and_the_Prevention_of_Vice_(Saudi_Arabia)
he hated that he was called out for being a transphobic person, thats the real reason. now that hes in a country that hates lgbtq+ he feels welcomed.
Based on some of his accounts of his experiences I get why he might have a chip on his shoulder. Callinh the police on a black man for no reason just to harass them is practically attempted murder in the US and is an unacceptable step up from online comments.
That being said, saying a country like Saudi Arabia where the state will throw you in jail for speech with no due process is the same is a complete lack of awareness.
Funny how all other countries are lacking the range of having different opinions about things among the different groups of people. Saudi Arabia hates lgbtq+? With such a view, does that mean the USA love guns more than school children?
Yes. I say this as an American. If America actually cared about children we would have been able to do something after Sandy Hook. America contains people that aren't stupid about guns just as I'm sure SA contains people that don't like slavery. But the good ones aren't in charge.
I don't understand how for the last ten years this guy has been allowed to just associate with other comics like he's not a fucking pariah.
You can't kayfabe away the actual association. They chose to appear on screen with the guy. That's not in-character, that is a professional decision.
Or are you saying, "Chappelle is just pretending to be a heel, actually he hates autocrats and loves trans people?"
My issue (at the moment) isn't with Chappelle but rather with those who enable, endorse, and platform him. Those who are happier drawing a paycheque than acting with integrity. It does not matter whether the bad things he does are done in character. It does not matter if the people who appear on-screen with him despise him off-screen.
right wingers love him, for obvious reason, its stroking his ego.
"Everybody out there that's watching, everybody that's watching this world? This world is bullshit. You shouldn’t model your life about what you think that we think is cool and what we’re wearing and what we’re saying and everything." - Fiona Apple.
Because comics are whores
Comics had give through a lot of cancellations and were starting to pull together. So, when Chappelle started being anti-trans, the comedy community was already primed to fight back.
Also, Chappelle seems like a generous comedian in bringing people up. So, he probably has deep roots in the comedy community.
He made fun of trans people and trans people pushed back.
If you support trans people in Saudi Arabia the government throws you in jail.
I love your comedy Dave, but the sell-out you’ve become invalidates your position as a truth-teller right when America needs you the most. You built your career on raw talent and hard work without bowing to your masters at Comedy Central, and you don’t need to do this either. If you ever manage to un-sew your lips from the royal prince’s gold-shitting anus, please come back to us.
Obligatory take from another of my favorite comedians.
people calling out anti-trans jokes really broke his mind.
Lol that'd be stupid. Trump can't do anything while he's off U.S soil
Ever hear of a guy called Anwar al-Awlaki? Drones can get you anywhere.
Talk about cancel culture, amirite?
Ah okay, great point lol
Isn't he the piece of shit that was enjoying that someone that interrupted his show because of the shit he was saying, got heavily beaten up by security?
I think it's the piece of shit that invited elon musk on stage and make fun of people on the cheaper seats
What happened to this guy? Like seriously. He went away and then came with this fucking terminal brainrot and he just can't stop saying stupid shit
Dude is a rich fuck who still bitches that other even richer fucks “stole” his money. And my poor ass is supposed to relate. He has been rich for most of his life but likes to pretend he’sa regular guy. He lives on another planet surrounded by bubbles of assistants and staff that kiss his ass
but he can't say offensive things for shits and giggles. so it is mathematically relatable.
You can't make observational comedy about being a young and hungry comedian/writer when you've spent the last decade being wealthy and out-of-touch.
If he was still clever, he probably could've threaded the transphobia needle and either figured a way to make it right or made it so funny that enough people would enjoy it regardless. But now he's cranky and spoiled by success so he's just going to get angry, which is even less funny.
he had a chance to switch material towards kind of humor George Carlin started doing later in his career - discussing serious subject matter in somewhat jovial manner with continuous punching up. Instead he chose the worst kind of punching down and when you're a rich guy mocking the poor and struggling - yeah, that's just bad.
thx
He got to live in the big house and learned how to stay there.
Dear Dave Chepple, Billy Burka, and the rest of hypocrite moralless indignified sellouts:
You have looted blood money from the taxes of oppressed unrepresented beheaded people in a dictatorship. The executioner asked you to dance to distract the world and cover up the blood of slaughtered protestors and humanright activists for him while he beheads them. And you gladly obliged.
So just answer my questions with your freedom of speech Dave.
You know you were not paid by the "6000" attendees. The tickets cost from $13 to $80 for the whole week with each day featuring more than 1 comic.
So how did you alone get paid $1.6millions Dave? What's the name of this organizing company? Where did they get this money from which they gave to dance Dave? Why is this Muslim Arabic country overpaying international celebeities to perform there? Not humanright washing... no.. no.
What happened to the Saudi citizens who complained about their wealth in billions of dollars going to overpaid LIV athletes, boxing athletes, soccer, esports kids, Hiphop concerts, and now you Dave?
Riiiiight, man I used to like him
Yeah, as long as you don't say anything about the imprisonments and murders without fair trial, religious intolerance, or make fun of the kings Mu'umu'u.
Also, he’s talking about the private consequences of his actions, not public ones. Let’s hear him criticize the state right now under Trump. Let’s hear him say “Charlie Kirk was not a good fellow” and see if they’re not calling for his execution that night. He’s not even talking about reality in the US. What a dipshit.
Bill Burr is the only one that really got to me. I loved that guy. But I just can't see him the same way anymore
Same for me. He seemed so... Honest. He walked that line between left and right, not siding. It made me think, "this is a genuine guy". Fuck me, I guess. Truly affected me more than most things lately. I realise that makes me sound cold, given recent events, but it did. Again, fuck me, I guess.
He's dead to me now.
I've watched his ignorance and complete separation from humanity occur in lock-step with his increasing privilege and earnings.
He must have been really hurting for money.
This guy is a clown and not the funny kind. He likes to pretend he’s still one of the little people from the streets, all he cares about is money.
Clown? He's a cheap whore. And i don't mean the sex worker kind. I actually respect those.
meanwhile....
https://www.cracked.com/article_48429_tim-dillon-just-got-fired-from-riyadh-comedy-festival.html
Never heard of this guy, but from his quotes in the article he doesn't seem funny at all?
Who the F does a "Comedy Festival" in Saudi Arabia, of all places? What's next? North Korea? The USA?
The irony of a black man who has felt the impairment of his own freedoms so clearly and so often, now taking coins to make joke about the same to those who would themselves be his enslavers in a slightly different circumstance. Look at who does all the shittiest jobs in Saudi Arabia.
Well I'm sure he found some way to blame it on trans people.
He's right. Everyone here is angry that KSA is a fascist regime, and the most important speech in the world is being able to make Winnie the Pooh references.
That comedians are able to go to somewhere they have the freedom to joke about America is more freedom for relevant/funny material. You can have enough comedy material without resorting to joking about the comedy club owner's dismemberment murder accusations, and guess what, if you did, you'd be thrown out (or worse) of "land of the free" clubs too.
The state of comedy is so sad.
agreed, most of them became right wing, or far right.
They are chasing money for sure, but that doesn't make their jokes right wing.
I'd like to hear some far right jokes because I bet they aren't funny. Any examples?
If you ever heard real right wing comedy, it makes sense that normal comedians try to tap into that well.
Why does that make sense in your mind?
The alt-right are easily amused
So they would sell out just like that and suddenly promote an extreme ideology while alienating most of their potential audience?
You mean the thing that's currently happening?
Where are those comedians? are they in the room with us right now?
I think you need to clarify... Is it because right wing comedy is just so good that they want to participate, or that right wing comedy is so terrible it's a ripe opportunity to be a gigantic fish in a small crappy pond?
Sence is one thing. Right/correct/true is another. The difference is important.
you should really elaborate more, the only people/comedians that go fore "anti-woke" jokes are right wingers themselves, or they were closeted right wingers. you might be confused by comedians that has a veneer of "punching Up).
Uncle Dave
Who?
Facts, the usa is now one hundred percent policing language on governmental and societal level.
Also facts: im a bout to be called a nazi by a teenager, because they want to police my language.
Also facts: going to eat some spaghetti
"The comedian was one of more than 50 performers participating in the event, which has come under fire for being held in a country which has been accused of human rights violations and an oppressive regime."
My brother in christ, this is USA. America is currently committing human rights violations and is the definition of an oppressive regime. USA is not the world police anymore and they need to stop pretending like they are.
Based and true. Nobody read the article.
Yes but if you say something wrong in saudi arabia, you get the fucking death penalty.
So America.
https://theintercept.com/2014/09/25/managing-nightmare-cia-media-destruction-gary-webb/
You could only find an illegal assassination from ages ago?
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/17/business/boeing-whistleblower-suicide-police-investigation
Well they couldn't do that, they could only say stuff that wouldn't upset Saudi Arabia.
I don't think most of them have any specifically anti Saudi Arabian jokes, though. The type of money they're throwing around would certainly make me consider.
Even the bit about it being easier to talk there is kinda true if you're anti Trump or critical of Kirk. Super hypocritical, but still...
This is Saudi Arabia we're talking about. If you think that's a place where you can "speak free", you're an idiot or a fascist (probably both). These people are comparing people calling them an asshole on Twitter to a regime that literally murders people that say things they don't like (RIP Jamal Khashoggi).
Fuck, every one of these comedians literally got a list of things they couldn't talk about in their big money contracts. One of them got fired before the show because he mentioned Saudi Arabia's slavery on a podcast (in the context of, they're paying him enough to ignore it).
I'll say it again; if it's so free there, let's see one of these comedians drop a bonesaw joke.
The dominant worldview, as reinforced by American culture, is that everything (even our values) can be measured in dollars. All we can do is withhold our financial support from these performers.
I don't think we should be suprised that America produces people without moral conviction. This is the nation that made Saudi Arabia wealthy by helping it develop its oil reserves followed by oil purchases from the kingdom for decades.
especially a country that has a hate/love relationship with the US.
Yeah, the Saudi Arabian government don't really care if you talk shit about Americans. It's when you talk shit about them that the saws come out.
Which just goes to show what these "free speech champions" and "brave truth tellers" are really about. They don't actually care about speaking truth to power, just airing their own grievances.
He made his entire career stereotyping black people. Should have seen that one coming. I mean who was his audience even? Mostly white rednecks?
That guy would literally be a perfect clown for the confederates or something. He hates his own race and it's very obvious. Republicans in general tend to be very self hating. If they are black they hate black people, if they are gay, they hate gay people, if they are atheists, they hate atheists, of they are religious they hate religious people. If they are rich they hate Rick people. If they are poor they hate poor people. If they are men they hate men. If they are women they hate women.
The good thing is that they completely lack any wisdom or intelligence and it takes them 1000x the effort to do anything as a simple progressive person could do. They would have no power if they didn't have trillions of dollars of propaganda and bot farms supporting them. They would never get anything done without spending a billion dollars to do it. That's why all the Republican states are dirt poor and have really high crime rates and full of people who can't even think through even simple thought experiments.
.....
K, very insightful and deep. Noted.