There's a University of Cork study showing that putting the lid down aerosolises more material so spreads bacteria etc. over the whole room, whereas having the lid open produces a smaller number of larger droplets that nearly all just fall straight back into the toilet. The lid is not sealing the toilet and preventing the need to clean the bathroom.
I can't get the full text, but https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/acmi/10.1099/acmi.fis2019.po0192 has the abstract. It looks like I misremembered its findings (or remembered an article that oversimplified them), though - having the lid down does something to the released particles to make more of them stay airborne for much longer, but it does reduce the number that escape, like you'd expect.
My comment was explicitly pointing out that closing the lid can have the opposite of the intuitive effect and make things worse even though you'd expect it to make them better. It seems that I misrepresented the study's findings, though, as while closing the lid does make particles remain airborne for much longer, so my overall point is sound, closing the lid does reduce the number of particles that initially become airborne.
That's not the conclusion the study's authors drew. The particles being airborne for longer means they can float further and contaminate things further away from the toilet, and also are more likely to end up inhaled. That could be a bigger problem than the number of particles initially released, so the study didn't make a recommendation of whether the lid should be up or down. More research is required before anyone should be issuing definitive commands in bold to strangers on the internet.
You or your classmates must have been quite bad at hiding them. I never noticed anyone having an erection in school and I never felt sexually attracted to anyone there either.
You step back real far and lean forward, stabilize with your hand on the tank. It might take a lil practice but it's light years better than trying to bend it down
I'm not well endowed, at best I'm average... at best. But while I don't touch the water, I hit the front of the bowl. It's disgusting to feel the cold porcelain.
Analyze the form factor of toilet. Is it one of those round ones that's sized for potty-training a child? Emergencies only. The bowl deep enough and water low enough? Push dick down with one hand, hope Poseidon doesn't kiss your willy. Stand up far to wipe, don't sit down too fast. Try not to piss under the seat.
Prefer to avoid public restrooms for shits, stand up to pee.
The seat is the problem not the water. You have to make a choice with some variety of toilets, touch the seat or get splashed. Obviously try to stay far enough away from both, but the point is, standing up is far easier than playing this game.
Even when sitting down we have to aim the nozzle manually, so it's just sitting down for a moment then getting up, which normally is more work than standing there for a moment.
And (at least for me), it is more comfortable peeing standing up (albeit that might be because of a lifetime of doing it like that).
Another compromise is to pee in the shower. or better yet, on there indoor plants, this way we don't need to water them.
Also, if it's not a weird toilet seat that doesn't have a lid, you should be putting it down to reduce the number of particles that get into the air...
Not only does closing the lid do just that, it works the exact way you’d think it would. The lid is not effective at preventing viral spread. Not the only cause for concern when it comes to things exiting the toilet bowl.
we just leave it down at home. we talked about it one day and everyone with male excretory parts just wants to get off their feet. only time the seat lifts is for cleaning.
I've thought of this so many times. I'm fact, I've thought about a spring-loaded seat hinge that raises the seat unless there's a person upon it. If the seat is always up, it is much less likely to be urinated upon. It takes the work completely out of the hands of the user.
The squat toilet is for pooping what the urinal is for wee. If you have really baggy trousers and are freeballing you don't even need to undo your belt.
This reminds me of the time I was a kid and a houseguest was using our toilet like this with the door opened and I barfed when I saw him doing a shit with his shoes on our toilet seat
But like, if men pee with the seat up, but both men and women poop with the seat down, then statistically the seat is already down more than half of the time. Now if we enforce a policy like this, that would mean more than half of the times someone walks in and needs the seat to be down is in luck, but the rest has to do double the "work". And if someone goes in after someone who would have otherwise left the seat up, they too do double the work, so the seat changes position 4 times instead of once. I think it's much more "just" to simply change the seat whenever you need it and sometimes you will even find it in the position you need it in.
I once jokingly mentioned to my wife that leaving the seat up is just as convenient for me as leaving it down is for her. To which she pointed out that, of the four different permutations of toilet use between us, 3/4 require the seat to be down, so all in all, it makes sense to leave the seat down.
And dammit, I had to marry a logical autistic, didn't I?
So now I always (try to remember to) leave the seat down.
I mean, it'll be less than 3/4 if you always stand to pee, because people pee more often than they poop (of they hydrate sufficiently and there's no health issue). But it'll still definitely be over half, so the result is the same.
I've been to men's restroom before. I wouldn't sit on that unless extremely necessary. Even then, I'd wipe that ship clean and cover it in toilet paper first
I do wonder if they all sat whether that'd solve it, though. That is, if it'd be cleaner. Or maybe they don't need to sit to keep it clean. Idk
I’ve worked maintenance for many years and I can assure there is no difference between men’s and women’s rest rooms other than there being urinals, they’re all disgusting, we’re all disgusting, all bathrooms are just wild animal shit houses.
From my experience, it depends on where. Malls and things like that where there are many people of all different demographics absolutely are equally disgusting. Semi-private washrooms tend to be less disgusting overall, but women's are usually at least a little cleaner. Standing to pee causes splashes. Enough human traffic and and the whole place smells like a hamster cage that doesn't go away unless the whole damn bathroom is flooded in sanitiser.
Women piss all over toilet seats and floors all the time, even in fancy places, don’t kid yourself. Any bathroom in any location is only as clean as the staff makes it, if left alone every public or semi-private bathroom would be covered in shit and piss within a day and there are no gender lines. I’ve worked at classy joints and dives and if not tended to by staff every toilet will be covered in piss and shit in ways that I personally cannot comprehend. Women’s only toilets get covered in just as much piss and shit as men’s toilets. Most people don’t ever see both restrooms and assume theirs is either cleaner or dirtier than the opposite gender, but as someone who deals with both on a general basis, animal shit houses the lot of them.
Hi. Been in, worked in both. My experience with bathrooms doesn't invalidate yours. Both can be true. Hell, we're probably not in the same country, so social norms can play a factor, and like I said before, demographics make a big difference in a lot of things. Which drug residues are left on the back of the toilet, for example.
I'm sorry you have such strong feelings about people and public bathrooms. It's definitely a shitty experience (pun intended). It's a weird hill to die on though.
Really? I'd expected cleaner. I mean, they sit. I don't know how women pee, honestly. Like, how the flow goes. But I can say from experience peeing into a toilet while standing up can be difficult. Pee, y u no single stream straight into toilet?
The only time I could ever get her to purr was when when I was sat on the toilet. So, of course, I began sitting down to pee in order to maximise her purring and fusses. And it kinda stuck.
I think just being an organism with an anus leads to higher levels of poop exposure than whatever minuscule amount of particulate matter that manages to aerosolize from an unlided flush
In my house, the toilet seat and lid are down when not in use. Because I have a cat and she's the kind of idiot that will jump into the toilet and then track toilet water into my bed.
not to well actually, but once you figure out a female urinal they are kinda nice. according to my mother who spent all last week texting me every time she used one on her hiking trip
The little sleeve thingy? My wife tried to use one but didn't try it at home first. There was no bathroom/pit toilet out there either. They tried but couldn't do it. It took me a bit to realize but once you make the connection that literally their entire life they have never had to pee standing up it makes sense that their body is just like nope can't do it. They ended up holding onto a tree and squatting while I kept watching for critters/moral support. It was dark out and spooky.
That night I think a raccoon sniffed around our tent which was cool.
My mom was So. Excited. I stopped peeing standing up when I was 25 because legs tired but like I get it when it's your first week doin it. We told her to aim for leaves and pay attention to which way the wind was blowing because upwind is a mistake you only make once.
She's back home from her backpacking trip, I don't think she's still using the urinal.
It's also easier to slam it down, than bend and lift it up.
And peeing is more frequent when there aren't urinals.
So everytime a pissstander arrives to a raised seat, it's a saving of efforts
But of course, this avoid the worst problem of all.
Having to remember to do one extra thing after you're done and ready to leave
That last one is probably THE biggest asshle of the entire discussion.
I never understood the whole "you left the toilet seat up" complaint. Never been an issue in my family but have heard "he never puts the seat down" all the time. Is it that much effort to put the toilet seat down when you need to go?
Edit: Always close the toilet seat cover, not just lowering the toilet seat. This is for both men and women.
If men have to put down women have to lift up. Morality is when the same logic is applied to the other side. Otherwise your being sexist and prejudice.
So why should women put the seat up if they cant know if youre gonna shit or piss. Why dont you try that thinking before speaking thing yourself for once?
You don't? That's a moronic take. We lift we drop we don't bitch about it. Only a petty fuck would make the seat being pre-prepared for thier specifications an issue. Still haven't used your brain eh.
I can make it even simpler for you, because you dont seem to get basic logic.
Case 1: Woman uses the bathroom -> the seat is down -> everyone can use it as is.
Case 2: Man pisses while standing -> the seat is up -> woman needs to lower it 100%, man only when sitting down next time.
Also thats not even the issue. A toilet seat if fucking filthy. Forcing someone else to touch it just because you are too lazy to lower it yourself after using it for yourself is as selfish as it gets.
I dont think this will get through to you but maybe you can stop and think about it for 10s. Why make life hard fpr other people for your own benefit? Maybe thats your egotistic worldview and you see yourself as an alpha or whatever bs, but if not your take doesnt make any sense.
Dum dum what do you think men do when we lift the toilet seat? Stop thinking about "ew I have to touch the toilet" and just stop policing ppl shitting. Fucking repedocan mindset rules for thee not for me. But you can't imagine a world where you have to do what others do.
Maybe you like touching toilet seats. Some people dont and I dont see why I should force them to.
Also do you even read what youre writing? "Have to do what others do" equals "have to do something an other person forces me to because of their fucking lazy ass" in your mind? How entitled can you get. Please stop spreading conservative bullshit your manly man grandpa taught you.
Did you know this isn't a discussion at all in most of the world? People do whatever and no one is bothered by it. I only ever see this in American media.
As a guy please leave it up, when I need to poop I really don't want to sit on a seat with pee splatter all over. If it's really unisex I think most women rather put it down than sit on a wet toiletseat.
I have a 5 year old kid that only wants to pee standing but (despite me telling him not to) he never lifts the seat. Unfortunately some guys never seem to grow beyond 5 years old...
Toilet seats are fully operational by anyone, (it's true I checked). How about instead of trying to police everyone you just put it up or down yourself and stfu?
Seeing this sign would ensure I go out of my way to leave it up.
Thats a spicy take. You know the seat being down is more than convenience, right? It's extremely unhygienic to flush an open toilet let alone the dangers of small children falling in. I recognize a public space is less likely to have a child small enough and unattended to worry significantly about.
We live in a society and all that. Personal responsibility only works if you err on the side of caution. If there is a default setting to a toilet seat and cover it would be down and closed. Otherwise, why put one on at all.
The amazing thing about owning a penis is that I can still pee sitting down and there's never any drama. Have to poop? Don't even have to move! Have to fart? Go for it! Not farting in your underwear makes them smell fresher for longer, anyway.
This assumes that men ever lift the seat. I’d prefer it be left up so that there is at least a chance I can sit on a dry, piss-free seat. Lowering a seat is preferable to the alternative.
I don't really understand what is the end goal here. It isn't minimising the amount of total work done, because for this optimal strategy would be just leaving the seat in whatever position it was used. Funnily enough, amount of times it needs to be put up is exactly the same it needs to be put down in absolute terms, but considering the "up" group is smaller than "down group", their perceived amount of times position should be changed is higher than the same for the opposite group.
I. e. in group of one "up" and 9 "downs", "ups" need to change position of lid with 90% probability, and for every "down" it's only 10%. Huh. Of course overall it equalizes: 1×0.9=9×0.1.
Or is it some kind of "welcomeness"? Like, leaving the lid in the most probable expected position (which for equal gender usage would be "sitting" because people sometimes poop, usually not while standing; and because penis people sometimes pee while sitting (me often, but usually at home, not in public)).
I don't know either. There really isn't a universally agreed upon standard for how to leave a toilet seat. Even with a sign dictating the expected behaviour, it's not a guarantee. It's completely illogical to expect a toilet seat to have been left in any specific state*, and therefore the onus is entirely on the next person to set it how they want before using it. This is already how it works. It takes 1 second. I don't know who is complaining about it.
Although, on second thought, the only people who would ever have to move the seat in a seat-down world are those who want to pee standing up, and there might be some value in very gently discouraging that behaviour in a public restroom. Not sure if that's the goal here, but it's a theory.
One possible fix is adding a urinal target. I'm sure you could implement a similar concept in a regular toilet.
A urinal target, sometimes known by the specific types urinal fly or urinal bee, is an image or mark placed inside a urinal to encourage users to aim in a particular place so as to avoid messes and reduce cleaning costs.
Ok this is actually a great point, and I’d like to pose another question. If you’re gonna pee standing up with the lid open, what’s the optimal angle to minimize splatter? I would love to see an experiment or simulation to find the optimal angle.
Sure, because shit lining the underside doesn't come from people sitting down, and noone ever gets the seat sitting down. It is a toilet, there's a reason someone is supposed to clean them several times a day in a public setting.
Is peeing standing up something I'm just too intersex to understand? Like even before bottom surgery it was just more easy and convenient to sit down for it
I mean if you're at a urinal that's one thing but if you're going into a stall you're already wasting time might as well sit down and take a break, maybe take a smoke while you're at it
So, like, peeing into a toilet with the seat down, 100% keeps those tiny little splashes from hitting the tops my bare feet at home. So, when I pee in public toilets, I keep the seat down, to keep the urine off my shoes. I do wipe the seat if I miss, and I also spray if there is disinfectant. But I hear the smart girls squat atop the seat anyway.
Really, places where you don't have a urinal are sub optimal.
No idea. I suppose you could estimate with a water hose outlet of similar diameter, put a psi gauge on it, and adjust pressure until the stream travels an appropriate distance, but who cares.
I wonder if signs like these are effective. Unless you are monitoring and handing out fines as guests leave, they are just gonna do whatever is their habit.
I'm the only one that uses my own toilet, this makes no difference when having to sit.
It would be super annoying to raise and lower the sit every single time that I piss...
As someone with common sense and a little bit of decency: complaining about being asked to leave the toilet seat down when it benefits everybody is ridiculous
Unless you like sitting on the ceramic with no seat, I guess.
Put the seat and the lid down before flushing.
I just put the lid down but I still leave the seat up when flushing.
That's a weird loo. :)
There's a University of Cork study showing that putting the lid down aerosolises more material so spreads bacteria etc. over the whole room, whereas having the lid open produces a smaller number of larger droplets that nearly all just fall straight back into the toilet. The lid is not sealing the toilet and preventing the need to clean the bathroom.
Can you link that study please?
I can't get the full text, but https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/acmi/10.1099/acmi.fis2019.po0192 has the abstract. It looks like I misremembered its findings (or remembered an article that oversimplified them), though - having the lid down does something to the released particles to make more of them stay airborne for much longer, but it does reduce the number that escape, like you'd expect.
I think I did not understand your comment. Isn’t it the other way around?
My comment was explicitly pointing out that closing the lid can have the opposite of the intuitive effect and make things worse even though you'd expect it to make them better. It seems that I misrepresented the study's findings, though, as while closing the lid does make particles remain airborne for much longer, so my overall point is sound, closing the lid does reduce the number of particles that initially become airborne.
Significantly -- 30-50%.
So to be clear: close the lid
That's not the conclusion the study's authors drew. The particles being airborne for longer means they can float further and contaminate things further away from the toilet, and also are more likely to end up inhaled. That could be a bigger problem than the number of particles initially released, so the study didn't make a recommendation of whether the lid should be up or down. More research is required before anyone should be issuing definitive commands in bold to strangers on the internet.
No it's not.
not with morning wood
Why do you have morning wood at a public toilet
I cannot believe my morning erections are being judged by trash girlfriend.
I am literally trash girlfriend and Ive never had morning wood at a public toilet
I feel like if I judge you its gotta be a good reason at that point
One day you will go to a public toilet to realize you have morning wood, then you will understand the struggle.
Waking up in a public toilet does sound fun but since Ive taken estrogen I dont ger morning wood often
so you saying the real solution for peeing with morning wood is estrogen?
i would transition but there's no ikea near me for the mandatory Blahaj.
If we could simply choose when we got erections, high school would have been much less awkward
You or your classmates must have been quite bad at hiding them. I never noticed anyone having an erection in school and I never felt sexually attracted to anyone there either.
how the fuck do you piss with wood anyways? just wait 5 minutes
Use the force
Proceeds to pee like the guy in Upload
i was really impressed by the window trick
I like that some developer in that series went out of their way to ensure they could do not wrong when peeing. Out the window.. 100% no splash
brother if you got wood how tf are you peeing sitting down. That shit pointing up
If it's pointing up, how the fuck you hit the bowl standing up?
You step back real far and lean forward, stabilize with your hand on the tank. It might take a lil practice but it's light years better than trying to bend it down
You can lean forward even better starting from a sitting position, chest down, hips up with slight rotation.
Leaning and hoping your hand doesn't go through the drywall. Luckily for me by the time I gained weight I didn't have the morning issues all the time.
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Yes, even with morning wood. Just lean a bit forward. It's not that hard.
if it wasn't that hard there wouldn't be a problem to begin with
But pp touch toilet bowl = bad
That's why I'm saying go lean forward. Come on guys, it's not that difficult..
Not sure if you have a short dick or just very soft boners, but that's a absolutely not possible for many men.
Maybe it's US toilets. It's statistically average and I've rarely had any issues. Still better than the spray while standing up.
WHY ARE SO FEW US TOILETS LONG BOYS
Well you and me know that but his thing is just so enormous we can not comprehend.
(aka excuses)
This is too absurd to even critique
It comes with the risk of contamination or infection if you're well endowed.
I'm not well endowed, at best I'm average... at best. But while I don't touch the water, I hit the front of the bowl. It's disgusting to feel the cold porcelain.
scoot back
do such people also have to poop while standing?
No they just sling it round their neck for that.
Analyze the form factor of toilet. Is it one of those round ones that's sized for potty-training a child? Emergencies only. The bowl deep enough and water low enough? Push dick down with one hand, hope Poseidon doesn't kiss your willy. Stand up far to wipe, don't sit down too fast. Try not to piss under the seat.
Prefer to avoid public restrooms for shits, stand up to pee.
i'm a bit confused on the geometry here. how can one risk both dipping ones dick in the drink, and peeing under the seat?
The seat is the problem not the water. You have to make a choice with some variety of toilets, touch the seat or get splashed. Obviously try to stay far enough away from both, but the point is, standing up is far easier than playing this game.
Why though.
Because splashback.
Wait, are you dragging your schlong against the inside of the toilet so it gets in contact with the water that runs down it?
No, I'm talking about where the urine hits the toilet. If it hits a part that doesn't get washed by the flush, the urine dries out there and smells.
only if you do the gooch scooch
Just cause it's easy doesn't mean you should.
Also, it's not easier than standing.
I find sitting easier than standing. It requires less attention (atleast if you have standards of the waste actually being in the pot).
do you like, have severe knee pain or something? that's the only way i can see it being more difficult to sit down.
Even when sitting down we have to aim the nozzle manually, so it's just sitting down for a moment then getting up, which normally is more work than standing there for a moment.
And (at least for me), it is more comfortable peeing standing up (albeit that might be because of a lifetime of doing it like that).
Another compromise is to pee in the shower. or better yet, on there indoor plants, this way we don't need to water them.
Remember, there's a difference between peeing in the shower and peeing into the shower.
SHOWER, But you barely know her
I know you're joking, but pee has to be diluted 1:10 with water if you want to give it to your houseplants as fertilizer. Otherwise you will burn them
what if I developed a drinking problem and my pee becomes naturally diluted?
Dunkcore
Just the need of undoing your pants/belt already makes it easier to stand up.
And some seats have that front opening, which helps, otherwise there's often not much room to pee sitting down.
Then there's also some people who prefer to cover the seat with toilet paper before sitting down.
It's easier to stand up.
Magic trick: With a skirt/kilt you don't need to undo the belt!
Also isn't the intersection of needing to undo ones belt and needing the front opening rather small?
Just leave the lid up and sit on the actual bowl itself
I'll let you try that one
I don't like it when my thing touchs the inside of the toilet its disgusting and other xommentters took the time to explain the simple reasons for you
My dignity refuses to piss sitting down !
If you properly close a toilet seat/lid, everyone has to open it before using it, I don't see what the big deal is
Also, if it's not a weird toilet seat that doesn't have a lid, you should be putting it down to reduce the number of particles that get into the air...
Closing the lid doesn't reduce the number of particles that get into the air.
Not only does closing the lid do just that, it works the exact way you’d think it would. The lid is not effective at preventing viral spread. Not the only cause for concern when it comes to things exiting the toilet bowl.
Lastly, toilet water is delicious and it fortifies the bones.
A lot of public toilets don't have a cover.
Umm, the word is "pooticles"
That not how that works look at the myth busters episode
https://youtu.be/T0Cgt3sWrQ8
I'm a woman and will leave the seat up at work (not at home)
We have unisex toilets and truck drivers use them - they regularly wee all over the toilet seats if left down :(
if there is a lid - always down
if there is no lid - always up
it is the safest, cleanest, fairest option
we just leave it down at home. we talked about it one day and everyone with male excretory parts just wants to get off their feet. only time the seat lifts is for cleaning.
I've thought of this so many times. I'm fact, I've thought about a spring-loaded seat hinge that raises the seat unless there's a person upon it. If the seat is always up, it is much less likely to be urinated upon. It takes the work completely out of the hands of the user.
Pooping is what unites us
Peeing while seated unites us
It seems like at least half of men can't aim anyway, so it's better to just sit down.
Even when aim is there, splashing occurs. It really shows that some men never had to clean their own bathrooms.
Also fuck you if you piss standing up in a stall when there's pissoirs outside.
You want privacy for your little weenie, sit your ass down and scroll on your phone like normal people do.
Especially the ones who don't have to clean the bathroom
Pooping with the seat up unites us
Ever tried pooping while standing? All I'm saying is don't knock it if you haven't tried it.
While standing?
Not from a janitor
The life aquatic leads to many powers trousered society would deem unnatural
Pooping in the shower unites us
The squat toilet is for pooping what the urinal is for wee. If you have really baggy trousers and are freeballing you don't even need to undo your belt.
This reminds me of the time I was a kid and a houseguest was using our toilet like this with the door opened and I barfed when I saw him doing a shit with his shoes on our toilet seat
Cool though
But like, if men pee with the seat up, but both men and women poop with the seat down, then statistically the seat is already down more than half of the time. Now if we enforce a policy like this, that would mean more than half of the times someone walks in and needs the seat to be down is in luck, but the rest has to do double the "work". And if someone goes in after someone who would have otherwise left the seat up, they too do double the work, so the seat changes position 4 times instead of once. I think it's much more "just" to simply change the seat whenever you need it and sometimes you will even find it in the position you need it in.
yeah some people like to fall in
I poo standing up. You can't force me.
Yeah it's a silly sign and they should relax.
I once jokingly mentioned to my wife that leaving the seat up is just as convenient for me as leaving it down is for her. To which she pointed out that, of the four different permutations of toilet use between us, 3/4 require the seat to be down, so all in all, it makes sense to leave the seat down.
And dammit, I had to marry a logical autistic, didn't I?
So now I always (try to remember to) leave the seat down.
I tend to sit down to pee most times (at home), so that ratio is even higher for us..
At home both of those are invalid. You close the lid before you flush so you don't spread particles everywhere (among many other benefits)
Everyone opens the lid/seat to the desired level. Everyone does their business. Everyone closes the lid. Everyone flushes and washes their hands.
True gender equality!
This is the correct answer
autistic women are the best
I mean, it'll be less than 3/4 if you always stand to pee, because people pee more often than they poop (of they hydrate sufficiently and there's no health issue). But it'll still definitely be over half, so the result is the same.
That's just basic math. +Sit the fuck down when pissing at home. Who is paying you to stand while taking a piss when you could sit down?
Laziness
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Sit to pee for all. Solves all problems.
I've been to men's restroom before. I wouldn't sit on that unless extremely necessary. Even then, I'd wipe that ship clean and cover it in toilet paper first
I do wonder if they all sat whether that'd solve it, though. That is, if it'd be cleaner. Or maybe they don't need to sit to keep it clean. Idk
I’ve worked maintenance for many years and I can assure there is no difference between men’s and women’s rest rooms other than there being urinals, they’re all disgusting, we’re all disgusting, all bathrooms are just wild animal shit houses.
From my experience, it depends on where. Malls and things like that where there are many people of all different demographics absolutely are equally disgusting. Semi-private washrooms tend to be less disgusting overall, but women's are usually at least a little cleaner. Standing to pee causes splashes. Enough human traffic and and the whole place smells like a hamster cage that doesn't go away unless the whole damn bathroom is flooded in sanitiser.
Women piss all over toilet seats and floors all the time, even in fancy places, don’t kid yourself. Any bathroom in any location is only as clean as the staff makes it, if left alone every public or semi-private bathroom would be covered in shit and piss within a day and there are no gender lines. I’ve worked at classy joints and dives and if not tended to by staff every toilet will be covered in piss and shit in ways that I personally cannot comprehend. Women’s only toilets get covered in just as much piss and shit as men’s toilets. Most people don’t ever see both restrooms and assume theirs is either cleaner or dirtier than the opposite gender, but as someone who deals with both on a general basis, animal shit houses the lot of them.
Hi. Been in, worked in both. My experience with bathrooms doesn't invalidate yours. Both can be true. Hell, we're probably not in the same country, so social norms can play a factor, and like I said before, demographics make a big difference in a lot of things. Which drug residues are left on the back of the toilet, for example.
I'm sorry you have such strong feelings about people and public bathrooms. It's definitely a shitty experience (pun intended). It's a weird hill to die on though.
Really? I'd expected cleaner. I mean, they sit. I don't know how women pee, honestly. Like, how the flow goes. But I can say from experience peeing into a toilet while standing up can be difficult. Pee, y u no single stream straight into toilet?
I can assure you, sitting down to use the bathroom does not stop people from pissing and shitting all over the place. We’re gross animals.
Does it work the other way around? Does "pissing and shitting all over the place" "stop people from" "sitting down to use the bathroom"?
From my understanding there is a technique called “hover squatting.”
What's that got to do with saving money, though?
I had a cat that trained me to sit down to pee.
The only time I could ever get her to purr was when when I was sat on the toilet. So, of course, I began sitting down to pee in order to maximise her purring and fusses. And it kinda stuck.
nooooope not putting my cheeks on that unless necessary
seat up, squat a bit, and aim to reduce splash. wipe when done no matter what it looks like
Men that pee standing up (except urinals, or bushes) just like to make their life a tiny bit worse for no reason at all.
At home, yes. Out in the wild? Hell nah. That shi nasty (usually)
Your butt skin is far more robust than you give it credit for.
Damn, he got the velcro
Leave the seat down so when you flush you won't inhale your poop and pee.
Cmon it's not hard.
Edit: and lid.
I think just being an organism with an anus leads to higher levels of poop exposure than whatever minuscule amount of particulate matter that manages to aerosolize from an unlided flush
Yes, but I already have all the diseases that I have. I don't need to add all the diseases everyone else has too, or vice versa.
Also, no way, leave the seat as is, it is the responsibility of every user to adjust the seat to their current need.
You mean the lid infested of the seat?
If you raise it, put it back down when you're done. If you put it down, put it back up when you're done. That seems fair.
Alternatively, if there's a lid, close the lid when you're done. Then everyone is equally "inconvenienced".
I always close the lid so things don't fall in
Most The public bathrooms around me, don't have lids for the toilet.
I've come across a few in my travels
the ones that don't flush, if you close the lid the smell vents outdoors
In my house, the toilet seat and lid are down when not in use. Because I have a cat and she's the kind of idiot that will jump into the toilet and then track toilet water into my bed.
I try to do the same. My cat can get a little carried away with his toys and sometimes they'll get swatted into the toilet
Biased how. Do the math. Half of us sit down to pee, all of us sit down to shit.
Also, as someone with male plumbing, we can also sit down to pee. So everyone can sit to pee, and half of us can't.
Especially with the men that complain about how hard it is to control the stream, might as well sit down.
But then they won't get to complain about how hard it is to lift the seat
not to well actually, but once you figure out a female urinal they are kinda nice. according to my mother who spent all last week texting me every time she used one on her hiking trip
The little sleeve thingy? My wife tried to use one but didn't try it at home first. There was no bathroom/pit toilet out there either. They tried but couldn't do it. It took me a bit to realize but once you make the connection that literally their entire life they have never had to pee standing up it makes sense that their body is just like nope can't do it. They ended up holding onto a tree and squatting while I kept watching for critters/moral support. It was dark out and spooky.
That night I think a raccoon sniffed around our tent which was cool.
That's a thing?
anyone can pee standing up it's the 21st century
I'm not sure I wanna see that proliferate. My trans ass could never
My mom was So. Excited. I stopped peeing standing up when I was 25 because legs tired but like I get it when it's your first week doin it. We told her to aim for leaves and pay attention to which way the wind was blowing because upwind is a mistake you only make once.
She's back home from her backpacking trip, I don't think she's still using the urinal.
Biased meaning only men have to do any work, women never have to (if it's left down always)
True neutral would be last used position.
It's also easier to slam it down, than bend and lift it up.
And peeing is more frequent when there aren't urinals.
So everytime a pissstander arrives to a raised seat, it's a saving of efforts
But of course, this avoid the worst problem of all.
Having to remember to do one extra thing after you're done and ready to leave
That last one is probably THE biggest asshle of the entire discussion.
*most of us sit to shit. Given a large enough population I won't rule out the possibility.
thank you for your consideration. i shit everywhere
no but a good guess
I put the lid down, don't want toilet water splashing all over the place when you flush.
I put the lid down, too. But only so that the cat doesn't drink from it.
I put the lid up, so I don't have to raise the lid next time I'm there to piss, which is what I do the most often there.
I never understood the whole "you left the toilet seat up" complaint. Never been an issue in my family but have heard "he never puts the seat down" all the time. Is it that much effort to put the toilet seat down when you need to go?
Edit: Always close the toilet seat cover, not just lowering the toilet seat. This is for both men and women.
When flushing you should absolutely close the lid. Otherwise water droplets from the toilet get flung all over the place.
But then the next person lifts it and discovers your Toblerone of a shit is still proudly sitting there.
Then you open it after flushing to check and potentially clean skidmarks?
its gross, bruh.
I agree which is why I put the lid down but I'm asking about the toilet seat.
Soft close toilet seats should be standard equipment.
Then putting the lid down is a matter of a single light push.
If men have to put down women have to lift up. Morality is when the same logic is applied to the other side. Otherwise your being sexist and prejudice.
Yes because men can only shit while standing. Are you reading your own bullshit?
Nah but you are if we shit the seat is down. Think before you speak.
So why should women put the seat up if they cant know if youre gonna shit or piss. Why dont you try that thinking before speaking thing yourself for once?
You don't? That's a moronic take. We lift we drop we don't bitch about it. Only a petty fuck would make the seat being pre-prepared for thier specifications an issue. Still haven't used your brain eh.
I can make it even simpler for you, because you dont seem to get basic logic.
Case 1: Woman uses the bathroom -> the seat is down -> everyone can use it as is. Case 2: Man pisses while standing -> the seat is up -> woman needs to lower it 100%, man only when sitting down next time.
Also thats not even the issue. A toilet seat if fucking filthy. Forcing someone else to touch it just because you are too lazy to lower it yourself after using it for yourself is as selfish as it gets.
I dont think this will get through to you but maybe you can stop and think about it for 10s. Why make life hard fpr other people for your own benefit? Maybe thats your egotistic worldview and you see yourself as an alpha or whatever bs, but if not your take doesnt make any sense.
Dum dum what do you think men do when we lift the toilet seat? Stop thinking about "ew I have to touch the toilet" and just stop policing ppl shitting. Fucking repedocan mindset rules for thee not for me. But you can't imagine a world where you have to do what others do.
Maybe you like touching toilet seats. Some people dont and I dont see why I should force them to.
Also do you even read what youre writing? "Have to do what others do" equals "have to do something an other person forces me to because of their fucking lazy ass" in your mind? How entitled can you get. Please stop spreading conservative bullshit your manly man grandpa taught you.
Did you know this isn't a discussion at all in most of the world? People do whatever and no one is bothered by it. I only ever see this in American media.
It's not a discussion I've ever seen Americans have IRL, only in sitcoms.
This is in Canada, so close enough.
My brother used to say, if i have to lift it up why shouldn't my wife have to put it down?
I see his point but, i close the lid to flush so i don't have to brush my teeth with a pissy shit particle covered toothbrush.
I dunno if you'd want to know (or maybe you know, already) but it only helps some with bacteria, not viruses: https://www.everydayhealth.com/health-home/should-you-flush-with-the-toilet-seat-up-or-down.
Can people do what they need to do without anybody policing them? Seat up or down who cares?
Not according to everybody aggressively commenting here!
As a guy please leave it up, when I need to poop I really don't want to sit on a seat with pee splatter all over. If it's really unisex I think most women rather put it down than sit on a wet toiletseat.
Why does it matter how it's left when you're done? All that matters is lifting it when you pee.
Well yeah, but way too many lazy guys just pee.
Okay, that's gross. It wouldn't even occur to me to not lift the seat first.
It really helps to explain all the folks who're fans of sink peeing, when you think about it.
I have a 5 year old kid that only wants to pee standing but (despite me telling him not to) he never lifts the seat. Unfortunately some guys never seem to grow beyond 5 years old...
I only piss in sinks and showers. It's the gentlemanly thing to do.
The gentlemanly thing would be to keep it in your pants, like I do.
you piss in your pants?
that's gotta get gross quickly
Because it's so much better to just leave the piss lying about elsewhere? Just pull on your big boy panties and piss yourself. It's fine.
ok ok shit... being responsible for my mess is the upright thing to do. time for depends.
and drawers
If this was a male-only bathroom I'd still totally agree with the content of the sign.
If you want to pee standing, use the urinal. I, as a man, don't enjoy sitting in some other person's pee either.
Toilet seats are fully operational by anyone, (it's true I checked). How about instead of trying to police everyone you just put it up or down yourself and stfu?
Seeing this sign would ensure I go out of my way to leave it up.
I'm a gentleman and so I lowered the seat as my hosts requested. But I also took a picture because it's funny and weirdly presumptuous.
Manchild take
Thats a spicy take. You know the seat being down is more than convenience, right? It's extremely unhygienic to flush an open toilet let alone the dangers of small children falling in. I recognize a public space is less likely to have a child small enough and unattended to worry significantly about.
We live in a society and all that. Personal responsibility only works if you err on the side of caution. If there is a default setting to a toilet seat and cover it would be down and closed. Otherwise, why put one on at all.
The seat is not what closes a toilet. That's the lid and it's not even mentioned on the sign.
No no no. In public restrooms better to leave the seat up so that when people pee standing up the toilet water droplets don't get on the seat.
I pee standing up in public and know the mess it can cause.
This is all personal preference. There is no issue to discuss here.
This issue always baffles me.
The amazing thing about owning a penis is that I can still pee sitting down and there's never any drama. Have to poop? Don't even have to move! Have to fart? Go for it! Not farting in your underwear makes them smell fresher for longer, anyway.
Bro wtf? I know that was a casual one liner... but it leaves sooo many unanswered questions!
/s
This assumes that men ever lift the seat. I’d prefer it be left up so that there is at least a chance I can sit on a dry, piss-free seat. Lowering a seat is preferable to the alternative.
I don't really understand what is the end goal here. It isn't minimising the amount of total work done, because for this optimal strategy would be just leaving the seat in whatever position it was used. Funnily enough, amount of times it needs to be put up is exactly the same it needs to be put down in absolute terms, but considering the "up" group is smaller than "down group", their perceived amount of times position should be changed is higher than the same for the opposite group. I. e. in group of one "up" and 9 "downs", "ups" need to change position of lid with 90% probability, and for every "down" it's only 10%. Huh. Of course overall it equalizes: 1×0.9=9×0.1.
Or is it some kind of "welcomeness"? Like, leaving the lid in the most probable expected position (which for equal gender usage would be "sitting" because people sometimes poop, usually not while standing; and because penis people sometimes pee while sitting (me often, but usually at home, not in public)).
Or is it something else?
I've heard of someone who's mother died cuz they left the seat down and she just got stuck
Seriously? It’s sexism. Women shouldn’t be expected to touch filthy things.
Not my belief, but it’s the basis of the logic.
I don't know either. There really isn't a universally agreed upon standard for how to leave a toilet seat. Even with a sign dictating the expected behaviour, it's not a guarantee. It's completely illogical to expect a toilet seat to have been left in any specific state*, and therefore the onus is entirely on the next person to set it how they want before using it. This is already how it works. It takes 1 second. I don't know who is complaining about it.
Although, on second thought, the only people who would ever have to move the seat in a seat-down world are those who want to pee standing up, and there might be some value in very gently discouraging that behaviour in a public restroom. Not sure if that's the goal here, but it's a theory.
*Unless there's a lid. Close the damn lid!
Very silly post. Reactionary gender war nonsense. Everyone can and does and should sit down, that's why it's unisex. It's not that complicated.
There's better things to hitch your identity and ego to than the way your dad told you to piss.
This is a shit take literally. Why would I sit down to pee if I don’t have to? That’s more contact with the gross toilet.
You're making it gross.
You have never had to clean a toilet yourself, have you?
I have. Men with bad aim. Skill issue.
One possible fix is adding a urinal target. I'm sure you could implement a similar concept in a regular toilet.
Perfect aim still splatters small droplets all around. Try placing a newspaper next to your toilet.
Ok this is actually a great point, and I’d like to pose another question. If you’re gonna pee standing up with the lid open, what’s the optimal angle to minimize splatter? I would love to see an experiment or simulation to find the optimal angle.
Aim for flat angles on the porcelain, I guess.
Not if you leave the seat down.
Oh great, catching half the splatter with the underside / inner rim of the seat. So much better.
The way to avoid splatter is to reduce velocity. By sitting down.
Sure, because shit lining the underside doesn't come from people sitting down, and noone ever gets the seat sitting down. It is a toilet, there's a reason someone is supposed to clean them several times a day in a public setting.
Or it was just a lighthearted joke...
Just as lighthearted as the hundreds of 'I hate my wife' boomer jokes. Its simply bad taste.
ok boss
Is peeing standing up something I'm just too intersex to understand? Like even before bottom surgery it was just more easy and convenient to sit down for it
How is having to pull your pants and underwear down and sit down easier and more convenient than just unzipping your fly and peeing standing up?
I mean if you're at a urinal that's one thing but if you're going into a stall you're already wasting time might as well sit down and take a break, maybe take a smoke while you're at it
If you feel like sitting down, that makes sense, but it's not easier and more convenient.
You're not using the equipment to its full potential!
So, like, peeing into a toilet with the seat down, 100% keeps those tiny little splashes from hitting the tops my bare feet at home. So, when I pee in public toilets, I keep the seat down, to keep the urine off my shoes. I do wipe the seat if I miss, and I also spray if there is disinfectant. But I hear the smart girls squat atop the seat anyway.
Really, places where you don't have a urinal are sub optimal.
What kind of PSI are you working with?
No idea. I suppose you could estimate with a water hose outlet of similar diameter, put a psi gauge on it, and adjust pressure until the stream travels an appropriate distance, but who cares.
Sounds like factory default to me.
theres also realistic ones for trans men, but I don't wanna risk getting in trouble
I always put it down.
Because women love to pick fights over the smallest things.
/s
I close it entirely. That way everyone has to open the lid.
Chaotic neutral spotted
I wonder if signs like these are effective. Unless you are monitoring and handing out fines as guests leave, they are just gonna do whatever is their habit.
I listened to it, even though I found it funny.
If you have to sit and you have to go immediately you appreciate those that were considerate enough to engage in this simple act of decency.
I'm the only one that uses my own toilet, this makes no difference when having to sit.
It would be super annoying to raise and lower the sit every single time that I piss...
if you are the only person that uses it then it is not unisex.
up. down makes me uncomfortable. Schrodinger's toilet seat.
3/4 of these are down, so it seems to me like the etiquette should be to leave it down.
(Conflict of interest disclaimer: am a woman.)
Be careful what you wish for.
Lid up -> cats drink toilet water
Lid down -> no toilet-face cats
(Seat down because lid is down)
As someone with common sense and a little bit of decency: complaining about being asked to leave the toilet seat down when it benefits everybody is ridiculous
Unless you like sitting on the ceramic with no seat, I guess.
You like sitting on someone's urine?
Considering how it's after use, there would be no urine
You lift it up to use it and set it back down afterwards
Edit: to clarify, I am male and stand to pee. I lift the toilet seat and lower it when I'm done.