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I actually really like the aesthetic of the Tesla Cybertruck.

Maybe it’s the retro-futuristic style or reminiscent of sci-fi and cyperpunk, but I genuinely really like the design.

I would never buy one due to the MYRIAD issues plaguing the stainless steel body, interior build quality, or give Tesla money. But still a cool looking car, if nonfunctional truck.

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lemmy.world

Upvote because that truly is an unpopular opinion from what I’ve seen and I think they make the Pontiac Aztec look classy.

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piefed.world

There’s no offense intended just stating facts.

Some people like pt cruisers, some like crocs and others like to put gold details on every surface and having bad taste is okay!

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Look, it's okay that you can't appreciate the modernized 1930s aesthetics and bold choices of the PT, some people like bland German cars. There's room for everyone.

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I like that you compare the taste of a certain fascist-leaning political leader to my stinky feet in crocs

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Fuck, I had drive one for work for years. Uncomfortable as shit, never broke down or anything though.

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I would not touch a cyberdump with a pole, but I would drive the shit out of an Aztek

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Maybe because from any angle it looks like a twice-pasted cutout of a late 90s hatchback?

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The Aztec was also a huge disappointment in that the concept car design and features were outstanding but very different from what was eventually delivered

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xxce2AAbreply
feddit.dk

Nice. It's certainly a step in the right direction.

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Aniviareply
feddit.org

It's a hydrogen car, so a step in the wrong direction

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d00phyreply
lemmy.world

Why is hydrogen a step in the wrong direction?

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Because hydrogen is a greenwashing scam designed to prop up fossil fuels. They market it as eco-friendly based on the notion that you can make hydrogen by electrolyzing water using electricity from renewables, but in practice almost all of it comes steam-reforming of natural gas.

Frankly, at that point you might as well just pipe the natural gas to the fuel stations and build CNG cars with normal combustion engines (or at least natural gas fuel cells) instead.

And it's never going to fulfill that promise in the long-term either, because hydrogen gas storage technology sucks even worse than batteries and is just falling even further behind as battery technology improves.

Hell, even if we did have an excess of cheap renewable electricity with which to electrolyze water into hydrogen gas, the most practical and effective way to store and transport it for automotive use would be to add CO2 to it to make a synthetic hydrocarbon fuel, not try to use it as-is in a hydrogen car!

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rafoixreply
lemmy.zip

A hydrogen car is a terrible idea.

Hydrogen is expensive to make and transport. So many electrical losses plus it would need more trucks on the road to deliver it to fueling stations.

It leaks extremely easily.

As of now, it requires platinum as a catalyst which is one of the most rare metals on earth.

Battery tech is changing every year. Sodium batteries should be right around the corner which the manufacturer claims will cost a lot less and be much less dangerous.

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200 unites in 2026. Definitely going to be some dort of collector car or something unfortunately because now I want my Honda to limp by until those come out.

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Ironically, the car it's based on does slightly resemble the cyber truck, but in a reasonable size and not stupidly raw steel.

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lemmy.world

What I really want is this Cadillac electric concept vehicle that is like the car of a rich Shadowrun villain who has a sexy, mute personal assistant who is also a cyborg ninja assassin.

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I respect and admire your priorities - and your awareness of Shadowrun. Clearly, you're a person of culture.

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This isn't a concept vehicle, it's the Cadillac Celestiq. Got to test drive one once; feels great, handles great. Emphasis on "rich" Shadowrun villain though. Lucky for you, if you have a spare 350K lying around, it can be yours today!

(obligatory fuck GM, they as a company are personally responsible for this car-dependent hellscape we live in, for the destruction of many communities, and of course they are happy to provide luxury vehicles for the wealthy to navigate it as painlessly as possible. This is not an ad and my knowledge of this vehicle was acquired involuntarily. The least I could get out of it was a turn at the wheel.)

Also, consider this an official petition to bring back (affordable) station wagons (yes, that is what this is) in the EV age instead of bending over backwards to get any sort of useful range out of trucks (including the ones masquerading as SUVs.)

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angrystegoreply
lemmy.world

I don't think it's fair to compare it with a sports car, though. That's a different genre.

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xxce2AAbreply
feddit.dk

We're talking about Cyberpunk aesthetics. Christ, the only thing in lore that looks even remotely like the Cybertruck is the Makigai MaiMai.

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Zorquereply
lemmy.world

It's more an 80s aesthetic than cyberpunk aesthetic. It's basically a big dumbed down version of a Delorean.

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Agreed. In fact, the Delorean was pretty darned Cyberpunk for its time.

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I'd say that it's 80s concept car aesthetic specifically, which is what a lot of people found attractive about it when it was announced. Then we saw more and more of it, and it started to look less like a concept car and more like a rolling dumpster with the same levels of tetanus risk as the real deal.

I think the cars in 2077 also have an 80s aesthetic, but it's 80s retro-futurism dystopia (cyberpunk was founded in the 70s and 80s, so it makes perfect sense) which runs the full gambit from supercar to super cheap, and I'd take any of those over the Cybertruck any day.

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Huh. I have no issue directly accessing the file. Still, I'm sure you can all find examples of car designs from CP2077 on your own.

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lemmy.world

Have you seen one in person? They look... Not great in pictures, but like... Passable as a curiosity. In person? Monstrous and ugly as fuck. Also the bare steel is just a horrible choice.

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Agreed. I like the concept of the design, because I dig a cyberpunk aesthetic and I just appreciate a big, bold swing at something new on principle.

But wow do they ever look like ass in reality.

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They look significantly better with a wrap on them. It's more like Aztec level of ugly when they have a color.

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I have seen a couple and if I knew nothing else about them, their quality, or the insane politics involved, I would feel: “Oh what, that’s a crazy design! Neat. Way too big, though. Kinda looks rusty, but maybe that’s a wrap all over it. That windshield wiper looks hella expensive to replace.”

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It's all about scale. If it were a classic pickup size it wouldn't be so horrible. However, it's a monster modern truck size, and it looks horrible.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Nah.

It is too simplistic.

Too low poly.

Unrefined.

Too anti-functional.

Almost like some ketamine addict drew it on a napkin and then stuttered 'M - Mm - Make it like, lo- look like this' to some unpaid intern.

It is, imo, an idiot's take on retro future as a style guide.

........

in contrast, we have....

DeLorean.

This Hyundai N Vision 74 concept car.

The modular Slate E Truck.

Those are retro future, look better (imo), and also ... the DeLorean both actually exists, and also actually works, and the Slate truck seems to have at least a decent shot at actually existing.

EDIT: Whoops, I was out of date with my info, looks like the Hyundai N 74 also will actually be produced.

Notice how these look like they could actually maybe be in the background of a shot from the OG Blade Runner, or Akira, or OG Ghost in the Shell... or would not look very out of place in Cyberpunk 2077?

......

All that being said, I do want to join the chorus of people saying this is a great topic for unpopular opinion, lol.

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To be fair someone else already posted it in the thread elsewhere, I just put it inline.

But yes, either way, glad you like it, I think it looks pretty fuckin' awesome too lol.

Or uh, perhaps 'radical' or 'bodacious'.

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sh.itjust.works

When the Cybertruck was revealed in 2019 the announced price was starting at $39,900.

The specifications were great.

Cyberpunk was about to be released.

Teslas were still pretty cool.

The Cybertruck looked like a giant Delorean electric truck.

Elon Musk had said some questionable things, but was still "Elon Musk" from Iron Man 2 and Star Trek: Discovery.

If the Cybertruck had actually been offered for sale in 2019 for $39,900, I would have bought one. Without hesitation.

In 2025 I wouldn't be caught dead in one because I don't want anything to do with the politics of Tesla and Elon Musk.

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Don't forget Elon "Volunteering at a soup kitchen" Musk from the Big Bang Theory.

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lemmy.world

Nice, an unpopular opinion. Good on you.

It looks like the truck that a person who’s never used a truck would build.

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al_Kaholicreply
lemmynsfw.com

Like you described vaguely what a truck looked like to a caveman who was dying from a high fever and he drew it on a wall with his own shit.

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discuss.tchncs.de

From some angles it looks cool, but from others it's not very well designed. When it was first unveiled I liked the boldness, but in the end even the design comes apart rather quickly.

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Exactly. The aesthetic itself isn't the problem (although not at all what I would want my vehicle to look like), it's just really badly executed. Some features like the headlight bar looks cool from certain angles, but all the proportions just feel wrong, the silhouette is awful and it just looks so enormous and stupid in person.

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Fully agree. When I see them in person, I have to resist the urge to point and laugh at the sucker. In photos, where they control the angle, I can see thinking it looks kind of cool. From the rear, those shits look hilariously dumb.

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There's a saying in Brazil, "Everyone has their taste and asshole" (Gosto e cu, cada um tem o seu), because some people have a shit taste

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We have a similar one in English.

“Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one and they usually stink.“

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sh.itjust.works

Then go buy an 80s car with an actual good angular design and convert it to electric.

Some similar aesthetic options:

  • VW Scirocco or early Golf/Rabbit
  • Early Lotus Esprit
  • Delorean
  • Fiat X1
  • Triumph TR7
  • 80s Alfa Romeos
  • 80s Lancias (Beta, or Delta for instance)
  • anything from the late 60s to late 80s designed by Giorgetto Giugiaro

They are angular wedge designs, but done with care and thought to manufacturing, some safety (at least from sharp edges), and almost all of them are aesthetically pleasing.

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Victorreply
lemmy.world

Then go buy an 80s car with an actual good angular design and convert it to electric.

You say that like it's easy to do for anyone. 😅

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anomnomreply
sh.itjust.works

As much as any one can buy a Cybertruck for $80k, yeah.

You can get an 80s car with a dead motor for less than 1/10th a cybertruck

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Victorreply
lemmy.world

Well yeah but the "convert to electric" part... 😅

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anomnomreply
sh.itjust.works

The remaining 75,000 should get you a pretty nice conversion. Fitting the batteries without completely ruining the handling and storage in the conversion does present a big challenge.

But there are an increasing number of shops on both sides of the Atlantic that are offering conversions.

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AA5Breply
lemmy.world

Have you looked at the labor involved, and price? Conversions are not really feasible for everyday cars and likely never will be

Edit: $40-50k plus the original cost of the car. Are you really ready to dump that into a 1980s Subaru? Why not buy a brand new Subaru EV and save a crap load of money?

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I hear you, but Subaru/Toyota EVs aren’t really that great (especially in the styling department). But we’re taking about the 80-100K budget of a cybertruck, and choosing it based on aesthetics. This is what I’d do. As mentioned elsewhere, the Ionic 5 is a good alternative as well.

Also I’ve restored 3 and a bit 60s-80s cars now, and want to do an EV or Hybrid conversion for my next project. Since I already own a base vehicle, my DIY budget is about 20k depending on how much life is left in whatever donor car’s batteries I find. But I’m not normal, I can do all the fabrication and wiring needed.

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75,000 US dollars is already way more than what my brand new 2025 Volvo EX40 Single Motor Extended Range cost, including a bunch of extra features and winter tires. That's an all-electric vehicle with a lot of range.

It doesn't have the aesthetic, but you gotta be freaking fanatic about 80s car design of you're willing to shell out a hundred thou on a car that you have to build yourself, or worse, have someone assemble for you (even more money).

So no, this isn't a "just do it" kind of situation 😂

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Forgot the Japanese and Korean stuff.

AW11 MR2, Celica/Supra and Hyundai Pony too.

Even the popup headlight era Accords and Preludes.

Most of those cars rotted away where I live and I haven’t seen one in at least 10 years though.

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oatscoopreply
midwest.social

The difference in "ability to avoid serious injury or death in a crash" between an 80s and modern car is the hangup for me. Particularly in a country where I have to share the road with comically huge pickups and SUVs.

As a cool weekend "drive around a bit" car: sure. But not as a daily driver.

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Yeah I hear you, it’s a hang up with me as well. Driving one is a lot like riding a bike or motorcycle, it makes me hyper focused and cautious, especially during merges and stop and go traffic.

Having a decent EV setup would at least make it capable of accelerating and keeping up with modern traffic. Which, speaking from experience, would help, but not eliminate the treat by any means.

I stopped bike commuting after moving to a more rural area where lack of bike lanes, brodozers, frauhauspanzers, and cellphone distractions have made it too risky.

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sleet01reply
lemmy.ca

If I could get a 1987 Nissan Pulsar NX SE converted to electric with a range similar to the Model 3 LR, I'd be so happy.

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BigPotatoreply
lemmy.world

The Ioniq 5 has a better 'cyber' look than the Truck. Like a fat hatchback.

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That was going to be my next suggestion, good call. I do like it, but wish they’d make a similarly styled sporty car version.

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Just curious if you've seen one in person or just online.

Cuz I didn't like how they looked online. But seeing them in person was just a whole another thing. I've seen a few, My personal opinion is the proportions are just off in every way. It's bigger than you'd think but also it looks like the cab is a lot smaller. It reminds me of toy vehicles you give like 5-year-olds. If it was just an RC car, I probably be fine with it.

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My opinion was formed when I saw them online.

In person they a bit off I’ll admit.

It’s more about the concept of the design rather than actual execution.

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lemmy.world

I bet you like the St. Anger snare too, you absolute madman. Points for being unpopular.

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I know nothing about Metallica and am not really a metalhead, but I really liked the intro the St Anger with the snare. (I just listened to it).

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feddit.org

It's actually futuristic, which would be neat if Tesla's owner didn't think that the societies that cyberpunk works depict are something to strife for. Plus, that kind of edgy design is hostile to cyclists and pedestrians.

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Okareply
sopuli.xyz

All cars are hostile to pedestrians and cyclists

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feddit.org

True, but it still makes a big difference whether the car is deadly at 30 km/h or already at 15 km/h.

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nelsonreply
lemmy.world

It's also hostile to all other cars. The lack of crumple zone makes it a hazard to everyone and everything except the person in it.

Edit: I stand corrected, see below

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feddit.org

IDK about the Cybertruck, but I'm not aware of an inherent reason why a car that has lots of sharp angles would have less crumple zone. It just metal sheets, it's literally what's on the inside that counts.

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nelsonreply
lemmy.world

I'm pretty sure I heard/read about it in the past. I did some searching and found that it's highly likely that my statement has been debunked.

So I stand corrected!

Which isn't to say that I dont hate the damn thing. I still hope they all rust.

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That's due to its idiotic execution, though, not because it's fundamentally impossible to build its outside shape with a decent crumple zone.

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gruereply
lemmy.world

which would be neat if Tesla's owner didn't think that the societies that cyberpunk works depict are something to strife for.

LOL at that Freudian slip!

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gruereply
lemmy.world

"Strife" instead of "strive."

It would indeed be great if Musk didn't think bringing about a cyberpunk dystopia was something worth inflicting violent conflict for!

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feddit.org

Ah. In my defence, I'm not a native speaker ... calling it a 'Freudian slip' isn't quite accurate when you don't really know which one is right in the first place.

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Eh, "strife" is a highfalutin' enough word that a lot of native English speakers are liable to make the same error. You're just cleverer than you give yourself credit for, LOL!

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lemmy.world

Have you ever looked at one from behind? Goofiest, ugliest shit ever from the rear.

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Can’t say I have. Usually from the side or front. There’s one or two schmucks running around with one in my town.

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I will second this very unpopular opinion. I don’t quite like the Tesla truck but I like that fresh direction. I think with some minor tweaks it could look a lot cooler and still keep the polygon sci-fi vibe. If it wasn’t being killed I bet future versions of it could have been really neat.

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mander.xyz

I guess the Cyber Truck could be cool if it fit in with any of its potential surroundings. Everywhere it goes it just stands out like a sore thumb. There is no city or landscape that matches the aesthetic. It's like seeing a suped up F350 in the middle of NYC. Even if you like those giant trucks it will always look out of place in a big city. Or like seeing a Lamborghini way out on a dirt road in the boonies. It just wouldn't look right. I don't think there are currently any places that exist that match the aesthetic of a cyber truck. It makes me feel like when a high graphical game doesn't render an object correctly and it comes in low poly.

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It looks like garbage. In like every way. And I'm a car guy. It's not political. It's a big old pile of "not worth 120". I can buy two Toyotas with more satisfaction in style and performance.

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I don't like the truck as a whole but the shape is peak Nintendo 64 and I love it. I wish it was a better vehicle so I could own one.

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infosec.pub

At one point I really wanted to get a Delorean -- the angles, the materials, the doors, all very cool; plus BttF is a nice trilogy that reminds me of being a child. The cybertruck hits a lot of the same notes, so I can understand.

But, honestly, even my current car has too much central monitoring, data collection, and even control than I wanted. I really only bought it because my (the current) previous car was quickly dying.

I knew from Teslas claims and their other cars that there was just too much of that fiddly bullshit involved. So even without considering Elmu, a cybertruck was a clear No.

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Psythikreply
lemmy.world

Why not buy a nice pre-2015 car with none of that data collecting crap installed? You have a lot of good options. Swap out the stereo with a modern one for Android Auto/Apple Carplay and you're good to go.

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bss03reply
infosec.pub

I also wanted an plug in electric (or hybrid-electric) vehicle, and this was 2019 when I bought my Volt.

I honestly don't know what I'd buy today. I really think the Volt was/is a great car for me, because I could almost do my daily commute on one charge and could easily charge to full overnight, but it was also nice to be able to road-trip 6 hours to OKC or St. Louis in my car instead of a rental. My situation has changed quite a bit from then to now, and I think something purely electric might work, but this part of the country is really quite lacking when it comes to charging stations -- but I also do longer trips much less frequently and maybe I could just rent a car for that.

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AA5Breply
lemmy.world

I think there are now several EVs with a range of 6 hours or close. More importantly high speed chargers are becoming more common: that’s the important factor to look for

I did a 1,200 mile road trip with absolutely no range issues because there were plenty of high speed chargers on my route plus trip planning software that optimized for them. Stops were 10-20 minutes and corresponded well with grabbing a bite and using the facilities

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Absolutely. But last I checked Arkansas and Oklahoma are near the bottom as far as high speed chargers availability; I live near the border now.

I'm hoping that the Volt lasts at least another decade, and the EV situation may have changed quite a bit by then. I might even find myself in a situation where I could not own a car and still do everything I want to.

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lemmy.world

Fair take, and well stated. Looks are subjective, so can’t really fault someone for liking the look of something I think looks overdone at best. Extra points for recognizing that it was clearly designed by someone who has never needed a truck for anything more than helping someone move or hauling expensive weekend toys.

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designed by someone who has never needed a truck for anything more than helping someone move

I bet Musk never helped someone move.

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lemmy.world

It would make a cool Hot Wheels diecast if the proportions were closer to a normal vehicle.

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Agree on liking the retro-futuristic vibe!

Sure, it’s impractical for aerodynamics and problematic for crashes, but vibe wise I like it. At first, I thought it was bold that someone would look at an old sci-fi magazine and go for the aesthetic. But, you know, sci-fi cover art doesn’t need to deal with practical issues. While here, it really feels like they overlooked quite some other problems to sacrifice them to “the aesthetic”. I think one can still like the design while thinking it is a bad idea.

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I'm glad there is more variety on the road because of it. I think it's ugly. But the fact that every car has turned into a grey CUV is boring.

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I agree. If you ignore all the context around it, I think it's quite a cool design. Definitely what I thought 2025 would look like when I was younger.

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titanicxreply
lemmy.zip

They really aren't that big though, parked next to my Tacoma is not much larger.

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lemmy.zip

I think this says more about how oversized the Tacoma and other pickups are than it does about the cybertruck

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titanicxreply
lemmy.zip

I mean, it's really not. It's a second gen and small compared to most pickups.

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causepixreply
lemmy.ml

Most pickups are far larger than their use cases call for

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I maintain they look a lot better painted or wrapped, Musk knows this, and deliberately figured out a way to make painting the 100k pieces of shit the buyer's financial responsibility.

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I think it looks pretty good from the side, but from pretty much any other angle it's just an ugly box.

When it was first revealed, I was a fan of the design (not that I was going to be buying anything from muskrat) but the more I saw of it the less I liked the looks.

It's kind of like they spent the whole time designing it from the side view, then ran out of time before they were going to reveal it and decided to just connect the two sides with some rectangles and straight lines.

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lemmy.world

I'm a boomer when it comes to cars. I would rather have an old square body pickup than just about anything. I can rebuild a carburetor in my sleep. The systems are simple if not entirely mechanical. There is little if any extra plastic and a bad sensor won't stop it from functioning. A simple old school manual transmission. Wind up windows.

It's simple and I can work on it.

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Read up on the Slate. It has at least some of those requirements.

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Is it really actually more simple, or is this a situation of you being accustomed to one thing and thus percieving it as simple?

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Vacuum lines are the work of the devil. But otherwise you may have a point. Familiarity does play a part.

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sopuli.xyz

I have similar feelings about the Opel Ampera. Cool tech, bad car. It’s basically like those diesel electric trains, where a traditional engine makes electricity and an electric motor turns the wheels.

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Yeah those V shaped lights… let’s just say that’s fertile ground for another unpopular opinion post.

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i agree, but i think they ruined it by curving the front (probably for practical purposes)

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lemmy.world

My boss got one so I've had hands on experience with the car. It's nice. Really nice. It has a ton of utility built into it and is good for short hauling.

People hate it because of Elon... Personally I'd get a Hummer ev or a Silverado.

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My dad has a model Y with a hitch that also tows his A-frame camper without issue.

It’s not a huge upgrade imo.

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lemmy.world

I agree there’s potential in that style. I’m not interested in a truck nor a full sized SUV, but I’m definitely interested in seeing they take it anywhere. The spy photos supposedly showing an SUV are very interesting but it’s still be humungous

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I’m not sure what else to call them. Some YouTubers have grainy blurry pictures shot from a huge distance showing vehicles parked near the Tesla Austin factory. Vehicles that are clearly cybertruck-like but perhaps SUV shape.

While it may not be real and certainly there’s no details, the truck is full sized so any suv based on it would be as well. I prefer mid-sized SUVs: lots of room and comfort for four adults and all their stuff

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