When I started reading the quote, I assumed it was a joke, just from the format, not the content. When I got to the part where it said, "It used to be called the Department of War and it had a stronger sound," I felt the typical disgust and contempt I usually feel when listening to Trump, and so I knew it was almost certainly a genuine quote.
History lesson for anyone who needs it, including occupants of the White House: The Department of Defense was created in 1947 by merging the Department of War, the Department of the Navy, and the recently formed Department of the Air Force. Prior to the merger, the War Department managed only the Army. The name Department of Defense was political: it didn’t reuse any of the names of the former departments, so it couldn’t be seen as one absorbing the others, i.e. the Army absorbing the Navy and the Air Force they had just spun off from the Army Air Corps.
He doesn't understand the negative connotations behind it and why one of the main branches of the empire needs to be obfuscated in euphemism? I kinda believe the mental decline rumours now, lol, or maybe he's just testing the waters to see if Americans still have that bloodthirst like the good ol' Bush days, idk.
I think he just likes to dangle something controversial and shiny in his left hand so you forget he’s hiding the Epstein files behind his back with the right hand. He def knows how to rustle the left’s jimmies, unfortunately.
No, stop treating him like he's some sort of brilliant conman. He's never been. Even his own sister has said that he's a moron - his entire plan consists of "I wanna". I want it to be the Department of War, I want to be the one launching wars, I want to be the guy pushing the Big Red Button. He's a narcissist, and narcissists rarely tend to think more than a step or two ahead. They assume everyone's dumber than them, and they can rarely be dissuaded from this.
Setting aside my Trump hate for a moment: this is a good thing. “Department of Defense” was always a euphemism. “Defense spending” my ass. Let’s call it what it is and then see if Americans feel as good about spending so much on a “Department of War” versus “Defense.”
Thinking like that its a good thing right up until the voters are actually stoked about a department of war.
Guarantee it wont be long until youre seeing red hats going off about how cool it is they finally have a department of war as if its a whole new thing.
"Remember how much ass we kicked with only a defense department? Look out world! MIGHTY TRUMP finally made a department of war too!"
I’m sure you’re right about a certain segment of people. I don’t think the euphemistic name is holding those people back from loving the military though.
I do think it’s hard for Congress to sell the general public on “cuts to our defense” though, and cuts to the “Department of war” will be an easier sell.
I mean that after WWII, the public sentiment was "We're done with war. Whew!" That's exactly why officially declaring war and using the war powers workaround was used in ever example you gave.
It was the Department of War for 150 years before 1947 when Truman changed the name.
Department of "Defense" is just a whitewashing cover for the fact that its a war department, to help convince Americans we need to spend all of our tax money on it... So sure go ahead and rename it, genius
"we want offense too"
The obese imbecile being alive is offensive. The fact that it breathes is offensive.
And the fact that it's not strapped to a guillotine that's got a blunt rusty blade is fucking offensive!
Yeah, in this rare instance, I agree with Uncle Donny. The US hasnt fought a war for peace or defense in over 75 years. Might as well change the name to more accurately depict its purpose. He is still a moron though....
And also the Department of the Navy was its own thing for a while, as was the Department of the Army, then Air Force, before getting folded into the War Department. Harry Truman dissolved the War Department in 1947 because 1) WWII was over and so the US was not in a declared war anymore, and 2) there was a larger consolidation of war powers under the SecDef post-war.
If anything, name it the Department of Violence and Death and see how people react.
And they STILL think this. And before Canadians get all smug, look at how popular Smith and Ford are and how Poilievre got elected by a landslide in AB. The more Doug grifts, the better he does in polls.
How are we supposed to know what he's talking about when he tweets that "The Dow is rising up after another successful meeting with Putin"? Is he talking about Dept. of War or Dow Jones?
Not relevant to trump, but: it is ironic that we (the US) haven't fought a genuinely defensive war since 1812, and we only managed a draw in that one (which included our capital being burned to the ground and our greatest victory coming after it was technically over) because our opponent was busy fighting a bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys (and only winning because the fucking Germans helped out).
Edit: it's hard to imagine somebody using the expression "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" and being serious about it, but I guess some people can imagine that.
In the sense of genuinely defending our own country from invasion or destruction? Definitely not. Hawaii wasn't a state at the time and the Japanese never had plans to invade it anyway.
The term gained political traction in the US, especially in right-wing circles, when Jonah Goldberg, a columnist for the National Review magazine, used it in the title of an April 1999 column on the "Top Ten Reasons to Hate the French".[11] In the run up to and during the Iraq War, Goldberg reprised it to criticize European nations and France in particular for not joining the Coalition of the Willing, the United States-led invasion and occupation of Iraq.[2]
You should read what you link, it's right wing adjacent because right wingers ruin everything fun with a disturbing lack of nuance.
Of course others have taken it to express hatred. But it wasn't originally meant to be used in that way by the writer, and that's the point I intended to make. I'm not arguing whether it's right or wrong, I just noticed that its origin hadn't been mentioned yet and figured it was worth mentioning.
Of course others have taken it to express hatred. But it wasn't originally meant to be used in that way by the writer, and that's the point I intended to make.
The entire point of the joke is that we're both rude and ignorant and rude out of ignorance.
I dunno why, but I absolutely love it when someone comments "no it isn't" without a comma and the person comes back with "yes, it is" with comma. Commas do a lot of work in creating tone in text and that example is probably one of the most obvious to notice/cite and one of my favorites. So I guess I have an idea of why after all lmao
Huh, normally I would have omitted that comma myself. I'm not sure why I included it there. I guess it was, as you say, to be even more of a dick to the OP. :)
You know, I always thought America’s first authoritarian leader would be more badass, more intimidating, sweats red white and blue and would be an evil genius. Instead, we’ve got this dumbass dying of cankles while he’s being propped up by a bunch of religious cowards.
trump trying to be like acturus mengsk, but less competent. one of the famous speech of mengks, was hes never going leave power and would rather see everything burn to ashes.
And yet literally hundreds of thousands of people find him charismatic and attractive enough they would line up to lick his orange taint. Being in a cult is bonkers
it is just a distraction from that, hes trying everything and anything to use the firehose of falsehood against MSM to flood it instead of him being president of epstein island.
Judaic heaven might actually be hell for him. Sparsely populated grassy knolls, have to walk everywhere, nothing to do but watch sheep and talk to people, and a bigger tyrant that would get pissed off if he starts trying to regain a following.
I agree, call it what it is. The Department of World Domination. It's super unpopular to cut defense, will it be equally unpopular to cut the world domination budget?
Edit: right, I forgot we're on shitlib.world, where murderous government organizations are fine, but it's a problem calling them what they are instead of using a euphemistic name
I've lost the ability to detect whether this is a real quote or not.
It's real, sadly, I watched it, my parents in law was watching the stupid statement and I joined them. It was yuck
When I started reading the quote, I assumed it was a joke, just from the format, not the content. When I got to the part where it said, "It used to be called the Department of War and it had a stronger sound," I felt the typical disgust and contempt I usually feel when listening to Trump, and so I knew it was almost certainly a genuine quote.
Anyone care to enlighten us? Because I honestly can't tell, either.
You can always trust the fact Trump is a monumental moron.
The files ARE the distraction
are you going to post this every time now?
History lesson for anyone who needs it, including occupants of the White House: The Department of Defense was created in 1947 by merging the Department of War, the Department of the Navy, and the recently formed Department of the Air Force. Prior to the merger, the War Department managed only the Army. The name Department of Defense was political: it didn’t reuse any of the names of the former departments, so it couldn’t be seen as one absorbing the others, i.e. the Army absorbing the Navy and the Air Force they had just spun off from the Army Air Corps.
Also in a way it's not made our jobs easier. It's difficult to argue cutting "defense" funds, but it's a lot easier to be against a "war" department.
He doesn't understand the negative connotations behind it and why one of the main branches of the empire needs to be obfuscated in euphemism? I kinda believe the mental decline rumours now, lol, or maybe he's just testing the waters to see if Americans still have that bloodthirst like the good ol' Bush days, idk.
I think he just likes to dangle something controversial and shiny in his left hand so you forget he’s hiding the Epstein files behind his back with the right hand. He def knows how to rustle the left’s jimmies, unfortunately.
I think he is just that simple of a man.
Defense is not aggressive and therefore bad. War sounds aggressive so it's good.
That's it. That is the whole thought process of this simpleton.
Honestly, even turning the thought into a sentence, putting letters to the words, is more work than his brain did to get there
No, stop treating him like he's some sort of brilliant conman. He's never been. Even his own sister has said that he's a moron - his entire plan consists of "I wanna". I want it to be the Department of War, I want to be the one launching wars, I want to be the guy pushing the Big Red Button. He's a narcissist, and narcissists rarely tend to think more than a step or two ahead. They assume everyone's dumber than them, and they can rarely be dissuaded from this.
I agree he’s far from brilliant, and I really mean his admin more than him alone. There are some real insidious people with his ear
Unfortunately not in a Tarantino fashion.
Hey, what's going on?
Are you forgetting he remembered "person, woman, man, camera, TV" that one time?
Because going to war should not be an ambition you dumb fucking fascist!
Setting aside my Trump hate for a moment: this is a good thing. “Department of Defense” was always a euphemism. “Defense spending” my ass. Let’s call it what it is and then see if Americans feel as good about spending so much on a “Department of War” versus “Defense.”
Thinking like that its a good thing right up until the voters are actually stoked about a department of war.
Guarantee it wont be long until youre seeing red hats going off about how cool it is they finally have a department of war as if its a whole new thing.
"Remember how much ass we kicked with only a defense department? Look out world! MIGHTY TRUMP finally made a department of war too!"
I’m sure you’re right about a certain segment of people. I don’t think the euphemistic name is holding those people back from loving the military though.
I do think it’s hard for Congress to sell the general public on “cuts to our defense” though, and cuts to the “Department of war” will be an easier sell.
This isn't a good thing because it's not an effort to be more honest, it's a signal of future intent.
How does this future intent differ from current reality?
The future intent is a bad thing. Signaling it clearly instead of euphemistically is arguably a good thing.
Do not underestimate this country's propensity to proudly engage in jingoism. Just look at our history to see how that went.
There's a reason why after WWII the Department of War was renamed Department of Defense.
We weren't at war. We're not currently at war, either. Chester's gotta ask Congress to rubber-stamp a war first.
That’s some very antiquated and naive logic. NONE of these conflicts involved a formal declaration of war:
Korean War
Vietnam War
Persian Gulf
Afghanistan
Iraq War
So you’re going to tell me we weren’t at war for any of those? Bullshit. There’s been plenty of work for a Department of War in the US since WW2.
I mean that after WWII, the public sentiment was "We're done with war. Whew!" That's exactly why officially declaring war and using the war powers workaround was used in ever example you gave.
It was the Department of War for 150 years before 1947 when Truman changed the name.
lol ok.
Officially, as declared by Congress.
Department of "Defense" is just a whitewashing cover for the fact that its a war department, to help convince Americans we need to spend all of our tax money on it... So sure go ahead and rename it, genius
Agree. It would be a lot more honest to call it the war department.
The Nazis also had a ministry of propaganda which was admirably candid.
"we want offense too"
The obese imbecile being alive is offensive. The fact that it breathes is offensive.
And the fact that it's not strapped to a guillotine that's got a blunt rusty blade is fucking offensive!
That's very graphic
And necessary.
Is it bad that my thought was "well at least that's more accurate"?
My mind went to how "the department of defense" was Orwellian AF. I mean his reasoning is fucked don't get me wrong.
I absolutely agree with you and surprisingly, Trump on this.
Broken clock and all.
You can tell he's never read 1984, he'd definitely want more ironically named government departments if he had
I mean, "Truth Social" has all the irony of the Ministry of Truth, though I assume if it was named for that reason it wasn't thought up by him.
Yeah, in this rare instance, I agree with Uncle Donny. The US hasnt fought a war for peace or defense in over 75 years. Might as well change the name to more accurately depict its purpose. He is still a moron though....
Well, technicallly it's defense of private interests...
Even WW2 wasn't a war of defence for the USA. The only thing they "defended" was a military outpost in the middle of the pacific.
You mean revert back to it's original name.
If he's the moron, what do you call the 77 million who voted for him. Twice.
Cultists.
It was the "War Department" from 1789 to 1947.
And also the Department of the Navy was its own thing for a while, as was the Department of the Army, then Air Force, before getting folded into the War Department. Harry Truman dissolved the War Department in 1947 because 1) WWII was over and so the US was not in a declared war anymore, and 2) there was a larger consolidation of war powers under the SecDef post-war.
If anything, name it the Department of Violence and Death and see how people react.
someone put him out of his misery. its cruel to force him to live like this. cruel to everyone else in the world at least
I'd tell him to look at the flowers but he paved the rose garden.
he rather paint it gold, of which he is obsessed with doing, not even solid or pure gold.
Give him the Crassus
It's the same reason Captain America beats people up with a shield.
It's hard to think of yourselves as as a saviour otherwise.
And they STILL think this. And before Canadians get all smug, look at how popular Smith and Ford are and how Poilievre got elected by a landslide in AB. The more Doug grifts, the better he does in polls.
Before libs get all smug... They still think kamalacaust and genocide joe were real alternatives.
King Charles called and said stfu AB. true story. First Nations were there too and I think they were filling in the eviction notices
Also AB conservatives won that same riding in the main election too. they are still short the riding pp lost in the first place.
By the by he’s not regained the lead of the party…yet.
I think we are all well aware that we are surrounded by idiots. We live here.
Some of us more than others.
God I fucking hate Louisiana.
Ok, now do the numbers for the other fascist.
The high cholesterol in Donny’s body needs to declare war on his heart and fail it.
The cankles are the front line. It may take some time but I’m optimistic that gravity will win.
dont worry he will counter it with the acid content of his diet cokes.
Department of Death might sound even stronget
Good, this would preserve the acronym too!
Department of torture and murder
thats the ministry of interrogation, aka homeland security/
They are reserving that for RFK.
Probably coined by Netanyahu.
president of peace, everyone /s
How are we supposed to know what he's talking about when he tweets that "The Dow is rising up after another successful meeting with Putin"? Is he talking about Dept. of War or Dow Jones?
They are the same picture
Not relevant to trump, but: it is ironic that we (the US) haven't fought a genuinely defensive war since 1812, and we only managed a draw in that one (which included our capital being burned to the ground and our greatest victory coming after it was technically over) because our opponent was busy fighting a bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys (and only winning because the fucking Germans helped out).
Edit: it's hard to imagine somebody using the expression "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" and being serious about it, but I guess some people can imagine that.
WW2 was a defensive war?
In the sense of genuinely defending our own country from invasion or destruction? Definitely not. Hawaii wasn't a state at the time and the Japanese never had plans to invade it anyway.
I feel offended and lauded at the same time
I assume you mean the French?
You do know they're the most successful military in human history right?
That's the joke
I don't think it is but sure, hilarious.
It’s an old Simpsons quote. It was never meant to be any more than a one-off line, as far as I can tell.
The term gained political traction in the US, especially in right-wing circles, when Jonah Goldberg, a columnist for the National Review magazine, used it in the title of an April 1999 column on the "Top Ten Reasons to Hate the French".[11] In the run up to and during the Iraq War, Goldberg reprised it to criticize European nations and France in particular for not joining the Coalition of the Willing, the United States-led invasion and occupation of Iraq.[2]
You should read what you link, it's right wing adjacent because right wingers ruin everything fun with a disturbing lack of nuance.
Of course others have taken it to express hatred. But it wasn't originally meant to be used in that way by the writer, and that's the point I intended to make. I'm not arguing whether it's right or wrong, I just noticed that its origin hadn't been mentioned yet and figured it was worth mentioning.
The entire point of the joke is that we're both rude and ignorant and rude out of ignorance.
No it isn't
Speaking as the person who made the joke: yes, it is.
I dunno why, but I absolutely love it when someone comments "no it isn't" without a comma and the person comes back with "yes, it is" with comma. Commas do a lot of work in creating tone in text and that example is probably one of the most obvious to notice/cite and one of my favorites. So I guess I have an idea of why after all lmao
Huh, normally I would have omitted that comma myself. I'm not sure why I included it there. I guess it was, as you say, to be even more of a dick to the OP. :)
Tell that to Alexander the Second Best!
And on the other side of his mouth he's saying he thinks he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize.
Dumbass pedophile rapist.
RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES
department of epistein victims.
What are we defense
Here comes the department of grammar. Can I enroll?
Who are we defense?
"Why" are we defense?
when are we defense?
Where are we defense?
I mean we want to defense the border and wall it, right? Won't someone please defenestrate this fucker?
No wonder he's so offensive to all 5 senses.
6th senses.
He's already offensive. Now he wants a whole government department to do it too
Defense product >> WAR MACHINE
Military Contractor >> MERCENARY
Ambassador >> SPY MASTER
How does one still support a man child like this?
The answer is so simple, they're all fucking morons.
Be a wo/manchild
Mostly fear, all the way down.
I guess if you look UP to something like this, it says a LOT about you. Trump supporters are a special kind of special.
Ministry of Peace sounded too gay
I doubt anybody suggested "Ministry of Peace" to him. He would have heard "Ministry of Piss" and green-lighted the change.
Anytime this fool says anything, it sounds like I'm listening to a fucking toddler.
You know, I always thought America’s first authoritarian leader would be more badass, more intimidating, sweats red white and blue and would be an evil genius. Instead, we’ve got this dumbass dying of cankles while he’s being propped up by a bunch of religious cowards.
You drank too much Kool aid then. This is exactly what I expected it to be. America personified.
Well, he is bad, and an ass...
trump trying to be like acturus mengsk, but less competent. one of the famous speech of mengks, was hes never going leave power and would rather see everything burn to ashes.
And yet literally hundreds of thousands of people find him charismatic and attractive enough they would line up to lick his orange taint. Being in a cult is bonkers
Anyone wanna place bets on him introducing a Department of Truth and a Department of Love next?
Better bet is if he lives for another full month. The idiot is circling death bed.
Terrible 1984 reference. Maybe if this dude was asking for a department of peace.
If you think the state supports truth and love like it supports offensive wars, I have bad news for you.
So mad that twat missed him and only grazed his ear
You’re talking as it that was not staged at all.
taking us all the way back to the 40s with the War Department eh?
America going back to its jingoistic roots I see.
Department of big boom.
The BIGGEST
Department of distracting the public from wanting the Epstein files.
This is brilliant! His knowledge, eloquence and persuasiveness are remarkable.
Who gives a shit? It’s a more apt name for it so go ahead. Now where are those Epstein files?
it is just a distraction from that, hes trying everything and anything to use the firehose of falsehood against MSM to flood it instead of him being president of epstein island.
It'll sound a lot better to the average voter to defund the department of war than to defund the department of defense.
Come on Lucifer!! Take your fucking trash back, already!!
Judaic heaven might actually be hell for him. Sparsely populated grassy knolls, have to walk everywhere, nothing to do but watch sheep and talk to people, and a bigger tyrant that would get pissed off if he starts trying to regain a following.
Damn bag of rotten oranges. To all yall told me I was overreacting to this piece of shit: I fucking told you!
rotten oranges still smells pleasant, compared to decomposing poop.
Literally exactly what a child would say.
He's so big on getting names accurate, Trump's title should be The Rapist in Chief.
I have to say his wall is more of a fence.
We must defense it then!
Department of Offense: King's Imperial Escort
"...and you have a big penis."
If he wants offense who are we to deny it. Offend the bastard!
"I don't want to be defense only"
This is revealing; Orange Baby's artlessness-of-the-deal mentality, turned into his version of leading a country:
"We want defense but we want offense too"
So what name change would he suggest? I really want to know.
Also note how easily the "I" slips into the
royalmadman's "we"The Department of Defense but also of Offense.
We must stop spreading everything he says
Department of pedophiles
I agree, call it what it is. The Department of World Domination. It's super unpopular to cut defense, will it be equally unpopular to cut the world domination budget?
You are WAY too fat and old to be a Khorne worshiper Trump, get real
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WOOOAH
Imperialists/colonizers being real for once. It's not like genocide joe "defended" anybody either...
Holy shit I agree with trump on something. What is even happening.
Congrats on having your brain melted
You prefer the bullshit euphemism “department of Defense”? Even though it doesn’t do any defending?
Words have power. This will have consequences
I agree, it will be much easier to campaign on “defund the Department of War”. Don’t interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake and all that.
A rare Trump win
Edit: right, I forgot we're on shitlib.world, where murderous government organizations are fine, but it's a problem calling them what they are instead of using a euphemistic name