ICE agents pointed guns at a US citizen when she ran out on to her yard to ask why they were arresting her (legal immigrant) partner.
Ring footage shows an agent pulling his gun on her, after which he shoves her down multiple times, pushes her back into house & slams the door.
All because she was asking for proof of a warrant. They refused to even give their names & badge numbers.
https://abcnews4.com/news/local/traumatizing-security-camera-captures-ice-detainment-at-north-charleston-home-immigration-policy-wciv-abc-news-4-7-31-2025Open linkView original on lemmy.world880
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I’m not understanding how somebody in a mask who isn’t presenting a badge can brandish a gun and shove somebody on their property without themselves being shot.
yeah. still waiting on the 2A crowd to enforce their anti tyranny claims.
Ice are the 2A crowd
And they see the entirety of the US as their property to enforce their 2A rights on
This is why the left needs to get armed. You disarmed yourself while the right wing continued to buy arms and now your "surprise Pikachu face" that the right is not stopping this...what logic are you trying to lay here?
The last time the left got armed the police bombed the building in Philadelphia, in 1985. The police and ICE are way more violent now, so I'd wager it would happen again. With ICE's new budget I assume we'll see armored carriers and tanks rolling around sometime next year.
Not a reason to not arm yourself. You're just proving why you should be armed.
The left is armed. Lots of us own firearms; we're just quiet about it because we don't make guns our whole identity because we're not fragile man children.
Trust me, right now there is not an appetite for violence. If things keep getting worse sooner or later we will hear more about ICE getting killed. Probably in a year or less since they're expanding the American Gestapo.
The left owns a tiny fraction of the firearms in civ hands. This isn't some dig at the left. It should be a wakeup call. I'm sure plenty have me tagged here as 2A nut job because I bring it up when shit like this shows up in the news. I'm strongly on the left and I know a lot of other left leaning people, almost all of them are anti-2a/anti-gun.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/
The left... isn't armed. It's completely outgunned.
Your last point is of critical importance. The populace as a whole is outgunned. Psuedo-militarized police forces and "law enforcement" organizations have us outgunned. Nobody's going out shooing unless they have nothing to lose. And right now, just about everyone still has something to lose. The goal is to keep the population comfortable enough not to riot on the streets.
There's a reason they're targeting the peaceful working class brown people who have families and still have hope that somehow the system will work and they'll be returned to their family. Notice how they're not rolling into the ghettos and trying to clean up the latino gangs where immigrants are definitely hiding. These ICE agents are cowards and bullies who pick on the weak to make themselves feel better.
You just contradicted your first paragraph with your second...they don't go there because those groups are armed.
It's not that people relied on the right to fight anything - it's more the fact that none of these manlyman hero "good guys with a gun" ever step up.
The whole point of the criticism of 2A is that every single argument for it is bullshit with no basis in the real world.
You...you mean other than right now? When the gestapo are growing rapidly and straight up kidnapping people? Right now is the entire argument for it.
This comment is the shit I'm literally talking about. I'm assuming you're on the left and you see shit like this daily, and probably say fascist are running the show and you still stick your head in the sand.
Notice how no civil war is breaking out.
Notice how nobody wants to start a shootout with armed forces?
Notice how the only real world impact of civvies arming themselves is more civvies die?
I'm from a country with sensible gun laws and no gestapo snatching people off the streets. yet we still take to the streets in protest of a far right party blasting past constitutional lines - they're currently under investigation and potentially to be banned in the future.
All without posturing as armed defenders of democracy watching it's downfall from the sidelines.
The fuck are you on about? Civil wars happen regardless of the population being armed or not. See Myanmar.
Who is nobody? Cause in the states it's getting that way soon.
That's not how that works at all.
Uhh ok? So why the fuck do you give a shit about what happens here in the states? You don't know the dynamics here at all, and just see what you are fed by your local news.
Cool, we're trying to do that as well...
Ok let me know how that goes... assuming you actually post where you're from
Again...the left isn't armed like the right is. The right wing wants the crap that's happening here. You're not making any sense at all.
I think (and this person can correct me if I'm wrong, it's really how I understood it) the idea was: despite all the 2A theory of "we need guns to defend from tyrannical government, and yes, if it were to happen I'd take up arms" the US is (not so slowly anymore) sliding toward the tyrannical government and we saw no usage of 2A to fight against it.
Your point could be right: it's because people with the gun generally agree with the government, so no reason to use 2A.
Next question is: even if all leftist were armed, would we start to see ICE agent being shot? No idea.
Oh and, on another note, to compare the US and Myanmar is NOT a good comparison from any point of view.
is this a strawman or just intentionally obtuse?
sure, maybe. probably not, but maybe.
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aaahh there we go, conspiratorial anti "the media" shit that i usually expect from the good ol 2A crowd.
Off topic, but Myanmar has had local militias for decades and they were in varying states of rebellion until the democratic reforms in the 2010-2020 period. Yes, the civil war has spread further now, but this was in no way a disarmed country.
They're waiting for tyranny to show up at their doorstep after everyone else is gone.
I think it's more that they cosy up to tyranny because they are spineless hanger-ons.
I guess some people are not in the "I will die but I'm taking you with me" mindset all the time.
If possession of an unlicensed suppressor can be legally considered attempted murder, I didn't see how showing up armed, concealing one's identity, brandishing firearms, and physically assaulting people (with the threat of said firearms) is not. States need to start trying all of these nazis.
Cuz fuck you, we have all the power now. Thats why
Not being rude, this is their ultimate reasoning and motivation underneath all the bullshit
Show up at their house and kidnap them and their families.
No warrant, no ID, no law required.
(Yeah, Pam, I said it. Fuck you and your goofy, Nazi, child stealing, kiddie fucking pals at ICE and the entire regime. Justice will find you one day.)
Hey, Germany here. We currently don't use Nuremberg, so feel free.
The Israelis are in line for that one currently.
JFC there is a queue. Now I'm (more) sad.
I want this clear. I.C.E has no jurisdiction when it comes to citizens. One shows up at your house tell em to fuck off and call a lawyer.
DO NOT COMPLY
When they force their way into your home, shoot them dead.
Youre gonna end up RIP anyways.
Would you rather get sent to El Salvador?
Not if they all dead. Two tugs show up you don't ai can't kill them both? Especially since so far no one's push back. They won't be accepting it.
Or maybe that's not showing up in the news.
Within 100 miles of the border or coast, your rights are way less.
You’re gonna end up detained no matter what you do if they want to detain you. And they’ve already disappeared plenty of people without due process.
Conveniently they count every international airport as a border, so this covers almost the entirety of the country.
The count airports as a border point, ao ICE says tou have no rights unless you live somewhere like 4 corners or bumfuck Wyoming.
This isnnt about rights. It's about jurisdiction. Even 100 miles away or on the border. I.c.e has no jurisdiction over American citizens. Full stop
luckily fascists are known to respect boundaries
On that we agree they don't give a shit
And nobody with the power to hold them accountable does either.
Again.. Agree
This is not a democratically elected regime. It’s a hostile takeover. The longer people don’t realise that the more time they have to prepare for their holocaust.
Yes, ICE is Trumps Gestapo.
He refused to identify himself and then assaulted the resident. Why is the news calling him an "agent?" These guys don't have badges, don't wear uniforms, drive in unmarked vans and wear masks. They don't know WTF they are.
Looks to me like a group of kidnappers.
Good point. Could literally be vigilante militias. It at least merits an "alleged" or "purported" before "agent."
If we allowed 50 million immigrants to enter the US the number of criminals per capita would be reduced.
If we deported Donald Trump the number of criminals per capita would also be reduced.
Employers refusing to pay a living wage depresses wages.
If the labor werent cheaply and alternatively available, they would have less leverage to do that and would have to pay the market rates for those able and willing to do it for that living wage.
The more people that live here, the more expensive it gets and the less labor is able to demand for compensation and also even just the most basic of employment and services like health and childcare or things like housing.
There has been deliberate efforts to pump up the cost of living and tax base without actually sufficiently funding and providing the appropriate corresponding increase in availabillity and limiting the additional costs that otherwise cuts accessabillity to ensure everything remains in balance to adapt to the influx
Edit: oh no, DOWNVOTES, the kryptonite to basic logic and economicss. Ehatever shall I do
Why all the layoffs then?
Why can't you afford eggs?
Why is healthcare the number 1 cause of bankruptcy?
Why are your wages stagnant?
Why have billionaires seen a 2 TRILLION $ increase? (Since last year)
Immigrants, of course!
But, what's this, you ask?
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/08/05/inside-instacarts-astro-turf-group-opposing-worker-minimum-wage
Back to the front, boy. You can get yer learnin by dyin.
✅YOUR DOWNVOTE IN LIEU OF VIABLE ARGUMENT BETRAYS YOUR DISINGENUOUSNESS
why isnt there ever punishment for the businesses hiring illegal migrants (only the illegals are punished and sanctioned/deported; its almost like there's no actual disincentive for shady employers to not base their antisocial business models around that...) and why are random low skill employers like restaurants allowed to get away with legally or ilegally hiring foreign labor when there are people able and willing to fill those vacancies domestically?
The irrelevant argument that a business cannot exist at cost of employing regular citizens is not an argument for why they should exist at all and be allowed to throw up their hands and outsource like that. They are consuming and benefitting from domestic services and infrastructure, why the hell should they be able to shield themselves from taxes, underpay and exploit workers, and get paid for the pleasure and often not even need to reinvest back into the actual society they could only every exist as a product of?
How is there NOT an incentive for employers to game the system by publishint job listings for random positions with inflated requirements and undervalued compensation so nobody who could otherwise do the job at the actual market price and be hired domestically wouldnt or couldnt apply and they simply wail that nobody wants to work so they can get government slaves at a fraction of the price who they can deport if the employees complain about human or labor rights violations?
How would that not set a lower and lower standard for workers everywhere in general when their employers are empowered by the government to use that a bargaining wedge and keep them in line from otherwise demanding more or even basally reasonable standards when the owner buddies with a legislatoe can simply stroll in and fire everyone with the assurance they can legally employ their slave replacements and pocket all the difference to personally benefit and cover the minimal costs of next lobbying cycle along with other businesses who have an incentivr to conspire on joint efforts like this?
Oh boy. This explains "what about vape?"
That's just not how the economy works.
The people that immigrate work. They have labor value. They're consumers too, they're literally just people like you and me - and zooming out to macro economics that's all we are. The human widgets in the machine.
Trying to blame immigrants for the ills of society is a fool's errand.
Maybe instead of pumping up shareholder value in stocks, most of which are not owned or shared by the actual labor, there could be an increase of wages and benefits through taxation. Hell stocks could be given to the people who are making that revenue for the company and not to just like the pockets of the investor class who are literally making money by simply having it.
I don't think people prefer to be exploited for their labor but when the USD goes farther than your local currency and you're already in bad enough straights it is worth the hardship for those folks.
Also all of this is ignoring one very obvious fact. IT IS ILLEGAL TO HIRE UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANT WORKERS. Maybe .. just maybe if the companies and farm owners followed the law they claim to care so much about the demand and the benefit of "illegal" immigration would cease to exist.
Its not about blame. Its about pointing out that all this excess value they contingently generate is basically absorbed only by the businesses that illegally or unethically employ them and the party in power of government that collects increased revenues with fewer obligations that they would be required from regular citizens and also a reduced incentive to solve actual domestic problems rather than let those pumped up government and business revenues/profits to make them look good rather than attenuate that with the actual real cost to citizens who bear the brunt of all of it.
Its a scam thru and thru but I'd love for you to point me objectively to how the businesses and government dont gain from this at the cost of the citizenry on the balance
The worst part is it works and it incentivizes businesses to pay the bribes and lobbying fees to keep the money train running and continually devaluing labor as time goes on. Nobody but strong unions can compete with that and the abillity of workers to reliably turn to that outlet or create it is severely legislated against and disincentivized culturally and in practical terms for actual sustainance workers
Edit: like, yes, in theory that would lead to lower prices for consumers if the labor to produce and bring the product to the consumers table is lower but who knows that information besides the companies and their shady practices? Whats stopping them from simply pocketing that differential and just using it to improve their profit margins? Why do you trust corps to the point you can be confident that we actually so rely on slave labor to have the goods and services we need when theres basically no accountabillity to the companies incentivized to increase their own margins at the expense of consumers and society.
Wage suppression has never come from immigration. It comes from shady business practices and a combined effort of the owner class to separate themselves from the working class. Have you not been hearing about record profits every quarter over the past two decades? Costs for everything have gone up in sync, except for the value of your labour, which has lost incredible amounts over the past 30-40 years.
They are taking the food out of our mouths to buy another Lamborghini. Immigration is a small drop in the barrel for why that's happening, but the people who are to blame want you to blame it on immigrants, and not them. You bought it, hook line and sinker. How's it feel to get played?
So, with the mass deportations which have, according to the quota of 3000 per day, removed ~200,000 - 300,000 people, wages should be skyrocketing and the unemployment rate should be near zero.
Phew.
They should at least be deporting or jailing permanently the employers. That would end the issue overnight especially if there was a come-to-Jesus option. Theres just no disincentive and all the incentive in the workd to be a total fucker. US' biggest problem
This is not anywhere close to reality. You are already a slave, can you stop working and go enjoy life for a while? Didn't think so. We certainly let them take our worth away though, you are right there. Workers, United, are stronger than all of "them" combined, and it is exactly why they have worked very diligently to convince people that things like "unions" are not good for you and will hurt your employment, when on fact it guarantees you a fairer slice of the pie. Still far from perfect, but we have more power together than we ever will alone.
This is based on a fundamental lie, or at best misunderstanding, of the right. They claim that the labor market is zero-sum, yet money has infinite possibility. "Anyone can become rich if they work hard enough."
In fact the opposite is true. A controlled money supply makes it the ultimate zero-sum game. The rich having more necessarily keeps it from others. The labor economy is free to expand, however, as new workers means new consumers.
There is a point with housing, however that problem is fabricated by elites, with no cause related to immigrants.
The 2A crowd are the ICE agents
That's what happens when the left goes full divestment from and demonization of guns for multiple decades. Even Marx knew it was a dumb idea, but saying "hell yes we are coming for your AR-15s and AK-47s" was just too tempting. The far right gun nuts are going authoritarian and the centrists are still hoping this doesn't end in a shooting (civil) war.
What would happen? Your house and at least five other houses around it would be riddled with so much lead that it would be declared a hazmat site. They would then "find" 40 bags of cocaine on property. Each bag would be found by a different officer and oddly not one of them will have been hit by a bullet. 112 random weapons will be found on your property, often in the exact same place that the cocaine was found, but by completely different officers at different times.
Well they can have all the fun they want doing that after they step over the four corpses on my doorstep, one of which will be mine.
I'll bet dollars to donuts that they know who and who doesn't have registered firearms. They are cherry-picking easy targets right now, and are going to avoid a gunfight if they can help it.
Dude everyone should be armed. You dont know who these people are. Im not letting human traffickers get at my kids or wife just because ICE doesnt want to ID themselves. Fuck them and that.
I also think it’s pent up rage because a black man was president. These racists will literally never let that go or accept it.
I've heard it so many times from racists I am related to and work with. ''We had a black president NOTHING IS RACIST ANYMORE! I can say whatever I want now'' they REALLY can't figure out what 'racism' means on any dictionary level.
Its wild considering that they are aliens, not native americans. They are literally guests of this country
We have reached a point in reality where I believe Tolkien's "Evil will defeat itself" when even Trump supporters are swept up by the consequences of their voting choices.
If not GeStaPo, why GeStaPo shape?
Thank god the US is fucking loaded with guns, so people can defend themselves.
/s
And yet we dont. This has always been the gun fetishists fantasy situation, but now that its here, they dont use their guns. Seems like they wasted their money.
The gun fetish people are the only ones signing up to be ICE.
More guns than people, but in the hands of a few. And anyone at risk of being deported is even less likely to risk it.
Free country 🦅🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
It is. Free for Trump to do as he pleases.
Knock it off.
knock Trump and the Gestapo off
🪨~,
🇺🇸,~^&^🦅God I hope more people will end up shooting or beating up ICE agents. What happened to your guys second amendment?
They people who most vocally claim it is for use against a tyrannical government are happy that their government is abusing their black and brown neighbors.
So felony kidnapping and aggravated menace. If they refuse to identify I dont see why we have to assume they are officers.
I see loads of people saying this. Doing however...
Just a matter of time before these thugs start getting gunned down while trespassing
It needs to happen sooner than later.
That number needs to be at least ten times higher.
Any day now...
Super normal when your leader is a convict
How much longer before one of these becomes an outright gun battle? Or some dude screaming “show me a warrant!!” while holding an AR15. I want someone to make these ICE fuckers scared to do this.
Will it even be reported?
I am failing to find either a list of ICE abduction / detention victims or a list of ICE officer-involved homicide.
In 2015 police officer-involved homicide (that's a euphemism for when a law-enforcement officer kills someone) averaged four victims a day, and those are the ones uncovered by activist groups who tracked incidents through news and obituaries.
So I cannot imagine a quota of 3000 abductions a day is going to proceed cleanly. Technically, they're succeeding at about 1100 abductions a day on average. We've seen their violence discipline and deescalation skills are wanting.
The only news I can find about ICE killing someone is from the Biden era, and only a few are reported.
So if anyone knows how often ICE pulls the trigger and kills (or seriously hospitalizes) members of the public, and can find me sources, please let me know. We should be tracking them, and we should be saying their names.
The good footage is already redacted..-
man it sure would be a shame if ICE and LE assholes got treated the way they treated innocent people.
Yeah, they're not hiring the best and the brightest here but they are hiring the most supremacist and this is what happens when you let that take over.
I'd say that they could sue but given how the courts have been stacked, they really stand no chance.
They are forgiving 60k of student loan debt. You know who has 60k in student loans besides active students? Graduated students on their why to almost paying off that quarter million student loan or droppouts. Not the brightest by design.
What are you talking about? They blocked all loan forgiveness that Biden was attempting to provide.
They're forgiving student loan debts as a signing bonus for ICE agents.
What in the fuck??
Legalized bribery.
On top of a large cash signing bonus, or so I've heard
Plus $7/per person, up to $3,000
I mean it's a solid plan. I doubt there's a lot of bonuses to be given out there, at least legitimately.
It was her lucky day that she was not shot
Sick country and it is becoming worse.
I would say they are not following #2 but I am also pretty sure they are willing to destroy what they're pointing their weapons at in this situation. cunts
this country is so gross..
That seems pretty exciting utopia
There are this many scum suckers who want to be cruel to people?? That's a job people sign up for? wtf.
Meet the American cartel/gestapo!
Masked men
Refuse to give names
Refuse to give badge numbers
Refuse to identify themselves
Have no arrest warrant
Threatening bystander with lethal force
Show no shred of professionalism
Taking your loved one with no explanation other than 'shut the fuck up'
How is this not a kidnapping and why don't people defend themselves.
If masked men who refuse to identify as law enforcement with names, badges, or at least faces, are pushing my wife into an unmarked car ..... Ya someone is getting shot. Even if it's me, no one is taking my wife like that.
Ezekiel 25:17 these incestuous limp dick Gestapo cowards.
Of course it's North Charleston.
ISSce
Still seems like a lot of info is missing, but from the linked article:
The event is fucked up (I assume—there is no info about anything causing him to be targeted specifically, but he has teenage children, obviously he's been in the US for some time now), but at least, based on this, "legal immigrant" in your title is not accurate.
It's important to be honest and accurate, or you make it easier to be dismissed by opponents.
Edit: It's hard to find more information, but apparently he immigrated illegally in 2004, and ignored a deportation order from 2005 (so, has been in the country illegally for over 20 years). If that's true, then yeah, "legal immigrant" in the title is a straight-up lie.
Hey buddy -
Sane people don’t give a fuck if this fella is here legally, this is not okay behavior for a functioning society.
The “opponents” are not engaging in good faith arguments in the first place.
False information is still false information. You could find a way to justify Fox News with those arguments.
The point is that that information is irrelevant to the issue at hand. But I may as well be arguing with a brick wall.
If it was irrelevant why is it in the title?
My uncle says the same thing about Hunter Bidens laptop. The fact is a the truth of the information is always relevant.
It says right there in the article that he "grew up in South Carolina". Another source says his visa papers were taken away years ago and he's been trying to get them back ever since -- hence the "working towards legal citizenship"
Assuming it's true that he did, that does not, at all, contradict/refute him being an illegal immigrant.
That's not a "source", that's the quoted claim of his girlfriend:
There has been no verification of this claim's accuracy, and she is the furthest thing from an objective third party. Calling her a "source" is disingenuous as fuck, and I have a feeling you know that.
Not to mention, "working towards legal citizenship" very strongly implies he was never a legal citizen before, or else why wouldn't it say something like he was working toward 'regaining' citizenship, or mention that he 'lost' citizenship?
You know there are hundreds of thousands of permanent residents in the US who are not legal citizens but may or may not be working towards said legal citizenship, right? "Legal immigrant" doesn't automatically translate to "citizen".
My wife is legal green card resident
The poster you're replying to doesn't know a damn thing.
The 2005 deportation order, issued one year after his arrival in the US, makes me think that, somehow, he might not have been a lawful permanent resident.
P.S. No admission of the deceit in acting like his girlfriend's claim was a journalistic source of information, I see.
I hope you applied this same level of rigor to your analysis of the reports of Haitian immigrants in Ohio eating cats and dogs.
Edit: The rapidly applied downvote without other comment suggests to me that perhaps you did not.
Down votes on aggregate are based on emotions not logic.
I know I know, so was my edit. 🙂
then he wouldnt be an immigrant would he. jfc what are you talking about
So my objective person: you are saying you believe the word of ICE (which conveniently we do not even have) over a published article? Neither should be taken at face value, but who do you think is more likely to be telling the truth?
Skepticism of one account does not amount to endorsement of another.
I don't think there's sufficient justification to assume fully on either side, but the fact is that because it's the popular position, people are happy to take the side against ICE regardless of the circumstances, which is why this post exists in the first place.
All I did was point out said lack of justification on that side, and try to find more information about a situation the linked article obviously wasn't giving the whole picture for.
No emotional response from me (though plenty of people here project their emotional response onto me, since they can't fathom someone not eagerly believing whatever benefits their narrative without scrutiny, and so the slightest bit of scrutiny/skepticism of an event they've attached their narrative to instantly becomes the assumption 'you're a foot soldier for the Bad/Other Guys!').
That's how objectivity works, despite your sarcastic implication otherwise.
How long have you worked for Trump?
I'm reading replies to your message and I can't figure out why people are coming at you so hard, except that they're conflating you with a Trump supporter or sealion (which is obviously not true if they read your comments), and then just digging in.
You specifically say that this is "fucked up," but there doesn't seem to be a genuine dispute that you are correct, there was a deportation order. Hence, not a "legal immigrant." That sucks, it doesn't mean that the arrest is legal, but it is an objective inaccuracy.
I'm the absolute diametric opposite of a Trump supporter, but I agree we should use accurate words and facts.
I really hope whoever gets in after Trump, if someone does, basically signs an EO saying all illegal citizens in the USA as of X date are now citizens. With all rights and privileges that conveys.
If that were me, I'd disband ICE in it's current form. They'd be reformed solely for customs enforcement. I'd only enforce immigration issues if and when an illegal immigrant was arrested and convicted of a felony.
I hope Congress reclaims its power and EOs stop being a thing!