Spyke
lemmy.zip

Just like chili is a stew (which is a very thick soup) and hot dogs (and tacos) are open faced sandwiches and so forth.

Pretty much all of these memes fall apart if you at all know how to cook. Which is probably why they are so lasting.

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lemmy.world

The memes are intended to show the absurdity of trying to apply strict classificationss to something as varied as food.

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This is a strict classification of why these memes fall apart.

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lemmy.world

Hot dogs aren't open-faced sandwiches. The bun is split open; the sausage lies within, not atop a sole piece of bread.

And that's not even addressing the fact that "open-faced sandwich" is an oxymoron. By that logic, a slice of [proper NY] pizza is a sandwich as much as a taco, as they are folded and consumed in the same manner, which is clearly ludicrous.

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lemmy.world

I wouldn't think so. Thus, tacos aren't open-faced sandwiches. Of course, neither is a piece of cheese on a cracker, but that'll just further confuse OC.

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jaybonereply
lemmy.zip

Why are people downvoting us? Are open faced sandwiches such a controversial issue?

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I like to think it's angry spez not wanting good content here. He has a bunch of alts here that he has minions downvote with, while he stands over their shoulder micromanaging what they downvote.

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lemmy.zip

Why would that be so ludicrous? It is meat and cheese with a lubricating sauce on bread.

That said, I would actually argue the distinction there isn't the form factor but the cooking method. For pizza/"pizza", you start with raw dough and add toppings to it and then cook. Rather than adding toppings to a cooked dough (i.e. bread). Although I want to say there is a style of pizza that actually cooks the dough first for some reason? I am inclined to blame Chicago just because they are usually the food criminals. Also I've never actually made one but I assume at least some of the chain store sausage rolls (?) the Brits like are also starting from toppings in raw dough but... let's just say Chicago learned their food atrocities from somebody...

But, regardless: The point is that all of these are mostly just regional/cultural equivalents of the same meals. Tacos and sandwiches mostly fulfill the same role of being a way to eat leftovers without getting your hands too messy and were popular with "lower class" workers. Soups, chilis, and curries are mostly a way to get a bunch of ingredients into an easy to cook (and leave in the pot) format that can also be stretched pretty far with stuff like rice and bread. And so forth.

And, again, once you actually start cooking you realize this and realize how easy it is to translate skills from one cuisine to another. Flavor profiles are very different but you rapidly realize you are doing mostly the same motions when you are making a Japanese or Indian curry or a British stew and so forth. And... you can then consider different cooking vessels and the like and how that might actually work better than the traditional style (just make sure you call it "fusion" so people don't get pissy).

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Man, you managed to take a fun fake argument and add some sly insults. Good job.

Anyway, parbaking is a thing

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Eq0reply
literature.cafe

Somehow, I agree to ravioli=dumpling but can’t go as far as saying that pop-tart equals anything in that category

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I was with you most of the way there (shout out to the chip butty), right up until that “pigs in blankets” abomination turned up. What in gods name has happened to them. Where’s the bacon, and why have they got that pastry nonsense on them? It’s behaviour like that this that explains the state of the world these days

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lemmy.today

Easy. First off:

Pop-tarts are calzones.

More fights:

Greek salad is fruit salad

Paris sucks

Chick-fil-A isn't actually good

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lemmy.world

Pop-tarts are calzones.

This is more accurate than ravioli but its still the wrong kind of dough. Pop-tarts are empanadas.

Greek salad is fruit salad

True.

Paris sucks

Never been but its not particularly high up on the list of places I want to visit.

Chick-fil-A isn’t actually good

It's OK at best. Certainly not worth the line (the one I live near is always packed) or the bigotry they fund.

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lemmy.world

The chik fil a line moves fast, but isn't worth it.

They do have the best spicy chicken sandwich, but everything else is on par with other shitty fast food.

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They do have the best spicy chicken sandwich

Naw man, go find a Popeye’s and thank me later.

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Derpenheimreply
lemmy.zip

Dude Paris is fucking awful. Trash and pickpockets literally everywhere

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Bizzlereply
lemmy.world

Here's a hot take for you... every major city is terrible.

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You're not wrong, Ive been to many and they all are not pleasant in their own way. But for me, Paris had genuinely no redeeming factors. Every major attraction to go was tainted with a seedy underbelly that was active no matter the time of day or where you were. It was insane. I ended up chaperoning a small group of five and had to practically wrap my arms around them to fend off purse snatchers. Its something that sounds like hyperbole, and if you told me the same thing, I wouldn't believe you had I not experienced it.

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lemmy.cafe

Man, I don't think I could be bothered to fight about any of those.

I'd laugh at the pop tarts one (that's a good one), the rest, meh.

I mean Paris is cool and all, but what a shit show with the insane traffic (like any large city). The food is fantastic though.

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Best food I had in Paris was Belgian. Best bar was Irish. Art..sure, OK.

France in general I really like. Loooove the south. Paris is overrated AF and riding high on reputation from 1870-1943.

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psoulreply
lemmy.world

As a Parisian: Paris is fucking amazing but Parisians suck a lot and well.

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Could just be me or just bad luck last time I was there. I really liked Bordeaux, but I also love a port town. Strasbourg, Pézenas, enjoyed them both.

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9point6reply
lemmy.world

Paris sucks

Anyone who's been to Paris will probably agree, especially Parisians

Greek salad is a fruit salad

Tbh a proper one is just a deconstructed sandwich

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hansoloreply
lemmy.today

To be fair, I love a Greek salad, and make myself one once a week when none else is looking.

But...a sandwich? How so?

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hansoloreply
lemmy.today

OK, yeah, I'm doing northern mainland Greek salad: tomatoes, cukes, cheese, olives. And onions.

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9point6reply
lemmy.world

Legitimately recommend giving the Cretan version a go, it's the perfection of the dish IMO

Though sadly unless you're actually having it somewhere in the Mediterranean, the tomatoes just don't hit the same

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midwest.social

So ok, Chick-fil-A sandwich is pretty good if you don't get the pickle and mayo.

But everything else is eh, and the sauces are downright disgusting

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hansoloreply
lemmy.today

It's top to bottom mediocre. I will die on this hill.

Popeye's, Zaxby's, hell even Church's are better.

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Raising Cane's is the most flavorless, damp, sad excuse for chicken fingers there is. Their sauce is just Zax sauce if you left the flavor out. The service sucks worse than the food.

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EmptySlimereply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Doesn't a calzone require the fold in the dough where a ravioli is two "sheets" of cough pinched together? Or am I misremembering sandwich classifications?

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I have no idea about Paris due to not having any experience.

The rest are accurate.

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Number values are mere suggestions that approximate measurements to a very high degree and try to quantify an infinitely variable universe

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It is, but I felt you’d done the “5 words” bit nicely in the first place. Consider it more of “five words and a bit of a foot-note”

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Broadfernreply
lemmy.world

NyQuil is blue flavored.

So are blue raspberry icees.

Icees taste like NyQuil.

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lemmy.world

That's ridiculous. The singular of ravioli is raviolo, a singular pop tart couldn't possibly be multiple ravioli.

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nik9000reply
programming.dev

I have an in-law who's a vegan and explained it as "if I consume less there's a tiny bit less cruelty. A tiny bit less demand." I like that. It's not about purity. It's about trying.

I'm still not vegan. I suppose that doesn't say good things about me.

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This might just be non-vegan apologia, but I like to think that recognising the ethical merit in veganism is a step in the right direction, especially if you manage to not feel unhelpful levels of guilt about it (my ex's mom was annoying as hell, because she would cry if she ever thought about the fact that the meat she was eating used to be an animal. She felt so guilty about it that the cognitive dissonance caused her to reflexively avoid growth.)

I used to be irrationally somewhat anti-vegan, but now I am merely non-vegan. I'm not even vegetarian yet, but I am closer to that than I was a year ago. I'm not there yet, but I'm trying. It makes me uncomfortable to recognise the cognitive dissonance in me when I acknowledge that my current diet is not in line with my personal ethics. However, sitting with that discomfort is one of the ways in which I'm trying.

Along those same lines, give yourself space to grow. The fact that you recognise being non vegan as not saying good things about you is itself, a little good thing, in my opinion. It's not much, but that self awareness is definitely pointing you in the right direction.

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I can see where your in-law's coming from, but to put a finer point on it:

Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.

That's why vegans aren't interested in "cruelty free" animal products. It's not just the fact that there is still a lot of cruelty involved; we're opposed to animal exploitation regardless. Veganism naturally came out of the animal rights movement.

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lemmy.world

I agree with Alex O’Connor. Yes, they’re right, but also, fuck that, I don’t care.

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MTKreply
lemmy.world

It's nice when as a society we decide whose lives matter and whos don't

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lemmy.world

We all do. Some people just extend that that circle larger than others.

Carnivores/omnivores extend it to most humans.

Pescatarians to mammals with regard to food, but often not to other mild inconveniences like pest control.

Vegetarians to the rest of animals with the same caveat.

Jains to animals with fewer caveats, but not to bacteria, plants, or fungus.

And we’re distant cousins of all of these.

There are arguments to be made for each line, like sapience, sentience, consciousness, and pain response, but the line chosen is largely arbitrary.

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lemmy.world

Somewhere between vegetarians and jains, depending on how much they respect the right to life of non-mammal animals (roaches, mosquitos, ants, etc) outside of food contexts. But veganism isn’t generally a distinction from vegetarianism with regard to right to life, just rights more broadly, so it’s on a somewhat different axis. Many seem only concerned with “cute” animals (i.e. mammals and a small subset of marine animals) outside of food contexts, but I’m sure there are some who wouldn’t bug-bomb their house. I doubt many sweep the ground in front of them to avoid stepping on bugs, like devout Jains. In fact, most vegans would consider that extreme, which betrays their bias towards the cute animals that deserve to live, since they’d absolutely go out of their way to not step on one of their preferred species.

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Look, religion is one thing, science is another.

Jainism is a religion, as peaceful as it is, it also has it's flaws. Some jains use dairy products because it is generally acceptable, though with modern practices it obviously violates their core principles, but loopholes like that are common to religions.

Veganism is pretty simple and practical, it is all about reducing harm. Of course each vegan has their own interpretation of what constitutes as unnecessary harm and what doesn't, but it is rooted in our scientific understanding of who can actually be harmed.

It is far more than a diet, it is the understanding that my wants are not above others needs and rights, human or otherwise.

The way I see it, Veganism is the most moral framework that is rooted in reality.

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MTKreply
lemmy.world

Considering that you have about the same amount of brain power as a plant, I might just be convinced.

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MTKreply
lemmy.world

The fact that people care about animals and want less suffering in the world triggered you to provoke. But sure, I am the sensitive one 😘

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sh.itjust.works

Sorry it's actually a lasagna.

There are 3 foods. There is soup. There is salad. And then there is lasagna. That's it.

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Nyctoreply
lemmy.world

Steak is single layer meat lasagna with no sauce

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Sal
lemmy.world

I think the hyphen in poptart is a bigger sin than the statement.

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rmukreply
feddit.uk

The symbol you used, "•" U+2022 is the bullet, but what if the packaging is actually using "·" U+2027, the interpunct, which would suggest the product is actually called "poptarts" not "pop-tarts". Or it might be "·" U+22C5, multiplication, meaning we could simplify the product name to "2(pt)oars".

Two part oars.

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I think you're over-complicating the very obvious answer the brand is trying to convey: it's clearly read as "two part oars".

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BassTurdreply
lemmy.world

For me, it's not the pineapple, it's that Hawaiian pizza is bad. Pineapple, jalapenos, and pepperoni is a great combo.

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I honestly like 'Hawaiian' pizza, but I've had what you describe here and its damn good as well!

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And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber, and took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast farmland of our own Midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay, a million voices full of fear. And terror possessed me then. And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?" And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots. The cries of the carrots. You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust". And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you, Jesus

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Ravioli is just a tart or pasty made out of pasta. Like so many people, they invert the origin.

No, I didn't do any research to back up that assertion. Why would you ask?

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lemmy.world

Fruigetable

That is a terrible terrible word. Take my angry upvote and get outta here. Disgusting.

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lemmy.zip

H2G2 is not funny.
- Why, I could even start a second fight:
Big Bang Theory is funny.
- EDIT: Wait, I have more:
GNU is bloated beyond belief.
Painted-on eyebrows look sexy.

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No one can tell your glue-on eyelashes are fake.

In fact, most guys really do just think your face normally looks like that without a 1/4 lb of foundation!

Just like how every guy totally believes their dudebro friend can afford that new E-Class by making the same pay you do, he just budgets better and is really dedicated to the grindset.

Yep, we're all 100% sure that new ride will just scream 'I am a responsible and succesful potential mate.'

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Aragarenreply
lemmy.world

It's technically a calzone. Sandwiches aren't closed on the sides.

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I will say, Calzones require ricotta cheese and no red sauce, if it has red sauce and no ricotta, it's a Stromboli.

But uncrustables have neither, and therefore I don't think we can count them. I think we have to go with ravioli here (though, that requires stuffing pasta dough, so technically I think it's a tart, but whatever.)

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raviolus

Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure all first year students learn that one at Hogwarts.

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sh.itjust.works

I'm perfectly willing to accept pop tarts as ravioli, and both as dumplings, as long as we acknowledge that both are pies.

However, if we're going to distinguish them, it probably has to come down to whether there's fat in the dough.

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lemmy.world

If a pop-tart is a ravioli, have you tried drowning it in tomato sauce and gratinee it with mozarella?

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if by tomato sauce you mean frosting or nutella or jam, and by mozzarella you mean chocolate shavings or bits of sweet fruit or powdered sugar....

yes.

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hmmmreply
sh.itjust.works

Agree, AI will be a human's greatest invention if we use them at the correct places. LLM IS NOT AN AI

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Fucking seriously this!

Nothing is ai yet.

What we have is very resource intensive machine learning. When I first heard about machine learning it was because it created an equation that solved the double pendulum experiment. But it's kinda useless to us cause we don't understand how the equation works. I thought we were going to get high level protein folding figurer outers. But instead we got :: checks my notes:: a charging that can't even pass the Turing test...

We don't deserve the magic of electricity.

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But it's seriously sweet savory tasty with Mascarpone and a mild grated cheese.

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If you like XMPP: Matrix has terrible metadata issues and centralization issues and is funded by a pro-Israel VC funds.

If you like Matrix: XMPP is old, outdated software with broken, fragmented encryption schemes, broken group chats, zero leadership and a community going in 8 different directions at once

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lemmy.ca

I'm not putting marinara sauce on pies and donuts.

On a chocolate pop tart, that's as close to heaven as you'll get without Kurt Cobain's shotgun.

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It’s not about taste, it’s about the culture around Italian food. For some reason, Italian food lovers are extremely aggressive about protecting their favourite cuisine from “inauthentic” recipes.

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Who can define what a ravioli is, is a complex sociological and political topic. The statement is only funny because it bulldozes tradition in the name of absurdism. And there's probably some point about capitalism somewhere in there.

So this involves politics.

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