Nope, not a sell out. Just a person using the tools at hand. You can't just live in the past. You did it without Google back then because there was no Google and you had to use what you had to use. Now you use Google, because again, you have to use what you have to use. In the end, I personally only care about the outcome.
I just chose to use tools to make my life easier
If you don't then I'd call you stupid. Keep doing that, friend. That's the best way actually. You want your life easier so you can put out great work.
I'm talking about developers in general before even Linux was a thing. I thought that was obvious in my comment. Guess not, I need to work more on my English.
Your English is fine. The same words often evoke different mental images from one person to another. Sometimes I have trouble distinguishing when to embrace literal meanings and when to go with the general gist of words. Thanks for addressing my comment, a gentle reminder for me.
I understood your point fine. I indeed started out with first Commodore BASIC and then into 6502, all using the manuals because there wasn't much else of a source back then.
Thank you, kindly. I've heard that manuals where fun to use (sarcasm). Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember those days, but wasn't fortunate enough to own or even be able to witness such gems in real life.
Yay! Cencorship! I spent an extra 3 seconds focusing on the word psychopath trying to figure out what went wrong instead of reading it like a normal word. Isnโt that so much better than offending an algorithm with the letter โhโ?
Is this supposed to be a joke or have we truly gotten to the point where ... coding in a terminal via like hyprland or w/e, without relying on an what is basically an annoying tutorial character from a video game that acts as an assistant...
This is psycopathy?
Having actual competence in one's field?
Oh god we're all doomed, they'll soon be alternating between worshipping us demigods, or burning us at the stake.
quite ironically, they are using syntax, specifically / , to indicate a specific kind of meaning afterward.
/sarcasm
/s
/joking
/j
I've seen all these used to more explicitly indicate that the previous statement was sarcastic, or a joke, due to irony being largely dead, but also to help with people may not natively read/speak/write english.
So think of how you put an asterisk around words to bold / italicise them on sm. In html it would be bold or italics. The slash is an "end format" indicator
So /s or /sarcasm means "end sarcasm" and indicates by reasoning that the previous statement was sarcasm.
The diamond brackets got dropped because with them they were being interpreted as actual html commands on early forums
I decided to try Cursor today (first time using any coding assistant) to refactor my sloppy NixOS config, and I'm really impressed to far. My config is so much cleaner and very well documented. It even has automated backups, a README.md, and CHANGELOG.md now!
The cost has been ~$20 so far (I'm still tinkering with it).
ETA: I also use Arch NixOS btw
Edit 2: I asked it "how might I streamline my deployments a little?" It wrote some nicely polished scripts that use deploy-rs, and wrote some nice documentation for it.
The script didn't work on first run, so I added the console output to the context and asked "what went wrong here?" It debugged and fixed the script, and updated the docs.
I think this has been the most frictionless NixOS experience I've had so far
Oh god no, ideapads. My dad has one and the metal parts hardly fit together after a year, the key travel is 1mm and the touchpad is practically useless.
I like the key travel though. The touchpad does get fucked quite easily after some usage so I decided to just use keyboard-only. I've been using mine for 4 years now.
If I had to use it daily, I would kill myself, but if you're fine with it, enjoy it. Of course it can't beat thinkpads and my Dell latitude 5290 (the new latitudes are pretty much the same (edit:as the ideapad) and part whitelist on tp-s).
I would not say that. I use a very old 13" Dell XPS laptop. I use Code-Server and duckduckgo. I have be known to program on my 7 year old android tablet with a bluetooth keyboard. For the most part I look at docs for JS modules as I write mostly in Python with Flask and use JS for responsiveness. Before anyone suggests something else I have to interface with a VERY old database that I wrote a webservice into through C#. I do realize there are other ways but python is my comfort point and the amount of backend processing makes it easier to use a "real" language. For my purposes it is plenty fast.
Yesterday I spent about 2 hours trying to get ChatGPT to walk me through the install process of putting Arch on a 2011 MacBook Air. It just wouldnโt work and the further along we got the harder it seemed and I really thought that using AI was necessary. I finally gave up and read the Arch Wiki and had it installed in under 45 minutes.
That tracks. The AI push is extraordinarily premature. It makes sense that capitalist idiots see mass layoffs as improvement, but rational people do not.
I tried reading the gadget bridge instructions for my watch. Could not get a straight answer on getting the authorization key (I'm a noob), wasted 2 hr. o3 gave me perfect instructions that got it done in 20 minutes. Ya win some ya lose some.
Yeah. It is really good at some things and bad at other things. I used to have a good sense for it but the arch install threw me off.
I find itโs good at giving regex commands from natural language and vise versa. Itโs really helped me get a grip on that aspect of learning (neo)vim.
Sometimes I wander into vscode but itโs less productive for me.
Plus vscode has weird name inconsistencies (the app is called visual studio code, itโs branded as vscode, and the menu bar says Code), which is probably normal for Microsoft but unusual elsewhere.
I still remember my Masters degree in distributed computing. C++ in vi (not even vim), monochromatic display, 36 computers working together to give me a bunch of SIGSEGV.
The joys of distributed algorithms. You can now get more errors, more quickly than before!
I remember writing a chat system in assembler, for DOS, using, IIRC, IPX networking. When it went wrong, one or more machines would just freeze, with the string "NETWORK ABEND" in the middle of the screen.
25 years ago I was writing code in a paper notebook, sometimes while riding the bus. The only computer access was at college and it was easier to work through the code on paper and then quickly transcribe it once I got on campus.
Yeah, things are a bit more complicated now, but in other ways they are sooooo much easier. The fact that people are using chatGPT to 'program' is just crazy from my perspective.
I do not believe you.
Okay, fine. A rare sighting.
There are dozens of us. And we are used to reading manuals, since we first installed our system.
They did it before the Internet was even a thing, my friend.
I was there. I was one of them. I just chose to use tools to make my life easier. Call me a sell out, I guess.
Nope, not a sell out. Just a person using the tools at hand. You can't just live in the past. You did it without Google back then because there was no Google and you had to use what you had to use. Now you use Google, because again, you have to use what you have to use. In the end, I personally only care about the outcome.
If you don't then I'd call you stupid. Keep doing that, friend. That's the best way actually. You want your life easier so you can put out great work.
Google went live in 98? First Arch in 02?
I'm talking about developers in general before even Linux was a thing. I thought that was obvious in my comment. Guess not, I need to work more on my English.
Your English is fine. The same words often evoke different mental images from one person to another. Sometimes I have trouble distinguishing when to embrace literal meanings and when to go with the general gist of words. Thanks for addressing my comment, a gentle reminder for me.
Thank you ๐ซก
I understood your point fine. I indeed started out with first Commodore BASIC and then into 6502, all using the manuals because there wasn't much else of a source back then.
Thank you, kindly. I've heard that manuals where fun to use (sarcasm). Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember those days, but wasn't fortunate enough to own or even be able to witness such gems in real life.
I remember using man pages when I was contributing to a C open source project back in the day.
C and Bash are the only languagss that man pages are useful for
It is extremely easy to use the internet without using google.
Yeah, otherwise it would have been very hard before they came into being.
Remember when the internet was more than like 5 websites?
Gen Z doesn't.
My favorite thing about StumbleUpon was basically opening me up to a whole Internet without touching Google, and it showed me so many fun things. RIP.
Jumpstick.app comes pretty close though.
But he went out of his way to install man pages on arch? Probably a narc.
Aren't they there by default?
Noop, you have to install the man-db package
If you're using arch, you shouldn't need man pages. Because you use arch, BTW.
Wait, what? Arch has more comprehensive documentation than just about any other distro.
It does. It's wonderful. But it isn't installed by default. You have to ask for it. Or use the Internet.
I'm literally designing some code now and realized that I used DuckDuckGo to find man pages for system calls... from my Arch laptop. ๐
Yay! Cencorship! I spent an extra 3 seconds focusing on the word psychopath trying to figure out what went wrong instead of reading it like a normal word. Isnโt that so much better than offending an algorithm with the letter โhโ?
Psychopatl
Wasn't that one of the Incan gods?
You are thinking of the one they used to design the common keyboard layout, Qwertycoatl.
I'm partial to Tomatl and Ahuacatl
I was thinking Nahuatl
I think it is some kind of winged puma with the bosom of a woman.
You saw that but not devloper? Buncha amateurs.
Could also just be a non native English speaker.
Yea fair I guess I'm tired
Well have a nap...
THEN FIRE Z MISSILES!!!
What about the Y missiles?I stand corrected
Ngl didn't even notice it was covered until I read your comment
Is psychopatl an Aztec insult I don't know about?
Someone cropped the last line? What a sociopatl
(For any nerd wondering, the name of the language is Nahuatl but I guess Aztec language is more recognizable for the sake of the joke lol)
Type of dinosaur I believe
It cut off the h.
Props for living up to your username
Is this supposed to be a joke or have we truly gotten to the point where ... coding in a terminal via like hyprland or w/e, without relying on an what is basically an annoying tutorial character from a video game that acts as an assistant...
This is psycopathy?
Having actual competence in one's field?
Oh god we're all doomed, they'll soon be alternating between worshipping us demigods, or burning us at the stake.
EDIT:
Welp, I'm sure thats a good sign, lol.
Pretty sure it's gonna be the stake
It's a joke on a tweet about a guy spending a multi-hour flight just staring straight ahead.
I've done similar things in a coffee shop before, just working on my own code, and I have actually been 'politely' asked to leave by the staff.
The staff evidently being a bunch of morons who thought I was... hacking into ... something?
They didn't know what, but they were very concerned.
I was unable to convince them I was not, because 'terminal' = 'hacking' to idiots who only know anything about computers via movies and tv shows.
Oh my god thatโs hilarious.
I thought so too untill they threatened to call the police.
To be fair my wife is a smart lady, but she still thinks I'm invoking some arcane hacking magic when I'm messing around in the terminal.
You mean a BOSS-nian?
Why not both? Probably worshipped at the stake.
Knowledge and skill have now been demonised
But how do you remember the syntax???
/sarcasm
What's that / mean?
Tone indicators, check internet usage section. Hope this helps!
I think he's searching for sarcasm, no?
quite ironically, they are using syntax, specifically / , to indicate a specific kind of meaning afterward.
/sarcasm
/s
/joking
/j
I've seen all these used to more explicitly indicate that the previous statement was sarcastic, or a joke, due to irony being largely dead, but also to help with people may not natively read/speak/write english.
In html you end a text style with a /
So think of how you put an asterisk around words to bold / italicise them on sm. In html it would be bold or italics. The slash is an "end format" indicator
So /s or /sarcasm means "end sarcasm" and indicates by reasoning that the previous statement was sarcasm.
The diamond brackets got dropped because with them they were being interpreted as actual html commands on early forums
Wayland based tiling compositor
https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland
Your question was "what?". Appreciate the follow-up question though.
I think he means HyperTerminal. It was the predecessor to Putty basically for serial connections.
No, he meant what he wrote: hyprland
Edit: https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland
correct, you and droppedpacket beat me to it
This gives me "old man yelling at clouds" energy.
I quite literally yelled at the introduction of 'the cloud' as yet another stupid corpo buzzword.
...
I was working at MSFT the first time someone hsd ever asked me if I had a 'cloud' backup.
What? Do you mean a remote server, offsite?
No, no, in the cloud!
5 minutes of research later.
Oh, so yes, you do mean on a remote server somewhere.
No, no, in the cloud!
head_desk.jpg
I use:
rustydusty IdeaPadArchNixOS btwI don't read man pages but I read documentation.
Am I also a psychopath?
I decided to try Cursor today (first time using any coding assistant) to refactor my sloppy NixOS config, and I'm really impressed to far. My config is so much cleaner and very well documented. It even has automated backups, a
README.md, andCHANGELOG.mdnow!The cost has been ~$20 so far (I'm still tinkering with it).
ETA: I also use
ArchNixOS btwEdit 2: I asked it "how might I streamline my deployments a little?" It wrote some nicely polished scripts that use deploy-rs, and wrote some nice documentation for it.
The script didn't work on first run, so I added the console output to the context and asked "what went wrong here?" It debugged and fixed the script, and updated the docs.
I think this has been the most frictionless NixOS experience I've had so far
Oh god no, ideapads. My dad has one and the metal parts hardly fit together after a year, the key travel is 1mm and the touchpad is practically useless.
I like the key travel though. The touchpad does get fucked quite easily after some usage so I decided to just use keyboard-only. I've been using mine for 4 years now.
If I had to use it daily, I would kill myself, but if you're fine with it, enjoy it. Of course it can't beat thinkpads and my Dell latitude 5290 (the new latitudes are pretty much the same (edit:as the ideapad) and part whitelist on tp-s).
I would not say that. I use a very old 13" Dell XPS laptop. I use Code-Server and duckduckgo. I have be known to program on my 7 year old android tablet with a bluetooth keyboard. For the most part I look at docs for JS modules as I write mostly in Python with Flask and use JS for responsiveness. Before anyone suggests something else I have to interface with a VERY old database that I wrote a webservice into through C#. I do realize there are other ways but python is my comfort point and the amount of backend processing makes it easier to use a "real" language. For my purposes it is plenty fast.
You do web development or something? Aren't you supposed to use media queries?
Only media queries I do are to raw images, avi files or raw audio files. Makes life some much easier when the standard is as old as the internet.
Definitely. I am calling the vibe police right now ๐
You sound more like a Rage Tuned File Monster, or rtfm for short
Yesterday I spent about 2 hours trying to get ChatGPT to walk me through the install process of putting Arch on a 2011 MacBook Air. It just wouldnโt work and the further along we got the harder it seemed and I really thought that using AI was necessary. I finally gave up and read the Arch Wiki and had it installed in under 45 minutes.
That tracks. The AI push is extraordinarily premature. It makes sense that capitalist idiots see mass layoffs as improvement, but rational people do not.
I tried reading the gadget bridge instructions for my watch. Could not get a straight answer on getting the authorization key (I'm a noob), wasted 2 hr. o3 gave me perfect instructions that got it done in 20 minutes. Ya win some ya lose some.
Yeah. It is really good at some things and bad at other things. I used to have a good sense for it but the arch install threw me off.
I find itโs good at giving regex commands from natural language and vise versa. Itโs really helped me get a grip on that aspect of learning (neo)vim.
Vim ftw!
I canโt live without vim.
Sometimes I wander into vscode but itโs less productive for me.
Plus vscode has weird name inconsistencies (the app is called visual studio code, itโs branded as vscode, and the menu bar says Code), which is probably normal for Microsoft but unusual elsewhere.
I wouldn't stress about it. Code was never meant to be edited in a web browser anyway.
and there is also Visual Studio which is a separate thing aswell
Some of the plugins I find super useful for running stuff remotely, but man do I miss vim while I'm there.
Helix crew ๐๏ธ
As another Helix user, I'll gladly accept the high five ๐
My bruh ๐
Helix FTW!
There are literally dozens of us!
Are you a Helix user and a skater?!
I should fork vim and call it 'death', so I can shout "give me vim or give me death!" any time someone suggests a different editor.
It's vi... but improved!
Vim but improved is better, aka Neovim
Vimproved
Neovimproved
nah, neovim
Raw dogging development
I still remember my Masters degree in distributed computing. C++ in vi (not even vim), monochromatic display, 36 computers working together to give me a bunch of SIGSEGV.
The joys of distributed algorithms. You can now get more errors, more quickly than before!
I remember writing a chat system in assembler, for DOS, using, IIRC, IPX networking. When it went wrong, one or more machines would just freeze, with the string "NETWORK ABEND" in the middle of the screen.
vi crew represent
ed is the standard editor ;-)
I was going to ask how he knew it was Arch, but I feel like that is just setting up the next comment.
I use Arch by the way.
He told him
I had an internship 15 years ago where I was forced to write C++ with no internet access. I had to use a programming manual and man pages.
Like an animal.
25 years ago I was writing code in a paper notebook, sometimes while riding the bus. The only computer access was at college and it was easier to work through the code on paper and then quickly transcribe it once I got on campus.
Yeah, things are a bit more complicated now, but in other ways they are sooooo much easier. The fact that people are using chatGPT to 'program' is just crazy from my perspective.
I had CS exams that were coding only that i had to do on paper. For multiple classes. There is no debugging on paper.
I just read the headers
I'd just write C and get annoyed by the #includes having different names.
That's impossible. He would be too busy telling everyone that he uses Arch to get any work done.
The true psychopaths are those sweating about which tools other people use
I can still do this provided that the language is Perl. But the few cases when I actually have to do so are rare, and never in public.
Lol
My cycle goes : think think think, draw, think, draw, think, write code for a day or 3.
I use an ide or a text editor. never use that other stuff.
Just straight up raw-dogging it
Back in my day we would program using office hole puncher and going to a library every time we needed to look up some API information.
I still use emacs
It's a fine operating system, what editor do you use?
Oh, many many of them.
Sometimes text-mode, sometimes fundamental-mode, sometimes picture-mode, tex-mode, ess-mode...
This indecent has been reported
Your disk quota shall be reduced by 100MB before redirecting you to
edNormalise living your best life.
I'm also in this picture and I love it!
IKR, WTF reads manpages. probably boils rabbits in their spare time.
I prefer man pages through google
Is this even a real person lmao
Someone at work was shocked I was using RubyMine and not VSCode or Cursor. Am I getting old now ?
No future. Lmao
He found Richard Stallman without knowing it
If it was man pages then they were likely scripting not coding. ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Edit: Obligatory "Actchuuuallllyyy*"
โActuallyโโฆ man pages also include information about the standard Unix C functions.
Knew someone was going to correct me some how. Love it! Learn something new every day.