Spyke
lemmy.world

After reading the article I hope they seek out and bite Donald Trump. Wouldn't that be hilarious if this caused him a meat allergy?

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Only if statins have been invented. 40 years ago he’d have been cooked, but now the cholesterol riddled assholes live for-fucking-ever

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lemmy.zip

McDonalds would have to admit that there's actually no real fish in a filet o fish.

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Unfortunately for this, the Alpha-gal allergy is only in response to mammalian proteins. Fish and birds are fine. Unless the filet o fish is secretly cat.

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tartarinreply
reddthat.com

Not only the environment, the overall Americans health too. Each year, 700 000 Americans are dying from heart diseases.

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lemmy.ca

heart diseases

There's more than one? Is this like Second Breakfast?

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lemmy.ml

Yeah, Lyme Disease can potentially cause that. It's weird they're saying "meat allergy" and not lyme disease, but lyme is pretty bad and can cause lifelong complications (post-treatment lyme disease syndrome)

Edit: guess I'm wrong

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fishpen0reply
lemmy.world

The lone star tick actually usually does not carry Lyme, you are thinking of deer ticks. This is an entirely different condition that is caused by an allergic reaction to the lone star ticks saliva which your body confuses with carbohydrates found in most mammalian meats leading to a long term meat allergy.

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lemmy.world

Maybe its Mother Nature way of making us stop consuming beef and all become vegan? I mean nature finds a way. The cattle industry is a huge contributor to climate change, so maybe this is a good thing.

Of course if this was to affect everyone, you see how quickly the government would fund a cure. Interesting novel idea...going give that a think.

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midwest.social

It wouldnt be pushing people to veganism, considering there are plenty of animal products you could consume even if youre allergic to meat.

Also there are a lot more types of meat than beef. I eat meat often and hardly ever eat any beef

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lemmy.world

That why nature gave us birdflu. So take chicken off the menu as well. That just leaves apes and ourselves.

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lemmy.world

Not, entirely correct. Alpha-gal syndrome is not a meat allergy. Gelatin, Glycerin and Magnesium stearate all contain high levels of it and are found in products as diverse as makeup, candy, shampoo, vape juice, energy drinks and toothpaste. High levels of alpha-gal are found in Milk and Milk products. All mammalian meat, organ meat, lipids and derived products. You check labels for the rest of your life if you have this and you'll probably still come into contact with it out in the wild. You get Fish, Eggs and poultry. That's only guaranteed if you buy the meat on its own, free from seasoning and cross-contamination. You don't eat in a restaurant anymore, unless it's sushi.

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My wife has had to follow a low FODMAP and gluten free diet for the last 6ish years. It's miserable and I wouldn't wish such a vast allergy as this on anyone. I know there are plenty of haughty taughty vegans in this thread making jest, but these kinds of allergies fucking suck and I guarantee vegans consume shit that has these compounds without even realizing, since like you said, it exists in far more than just basic meat-based foods.

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As an act of revenge on the ticks, we will switch to insect protein.

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lemmy.world

Oh I think that a solid theory. Maybe why we are busy killing ourselves off. Maybe Gaia knows us humans are the major problem with all the shit going on and wired us to kill ourselves off.

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We’re wired to kill ourselves off. She’s just sick of us fucking up the environment with industrial farming methods.

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Add in birdflu and man we could see a new era of man kind all being vegetarian. Btw I was working on a novel that contains birdflu and found a way to incorporate this into it.

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They don't refer to it as Lyme because it's a different issue. It just happens to also be spread by ticks. Lyme disease and Alpha-gal Syndrome are different things but are sometimes comorbities since both are commonly spread by ticks.

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lyme is caused by deer ticks and its a bacterial spirochetes, theres actually a whole cult against chronic lyme which is a pseudoscientific belief thats incurable.

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Honestly, I feel like this is a big fuck you from mother nature, telling us that our industrial farming practices, that are contributing so heavily to climate change, are now worth fuck all. And I am very much not a vegan.

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Yeah, but all ticks can do that. The "meat allergy ones" are a species that is only moving now because of climate change, which in no small part is also caused by emissions from factory farming.

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not_ammreply
lemmy.ml

Bruh, I see more meat-eaters following and actively commenting on vegan pages and forums than vegans being annoying lol

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Can confirm IRL, too. I'm not vegan, but vegetarian. Cannot tell you how many rather stupid conversations I've had (initiated by omnivores that discover I'm vegetarian, which I don't exactly advertise, but obviously there are times it comes up if you are sharing a meal at work, or with friends/relatives and so on).

That's even with me not really having any desire to proselytize or anything. It'd be one thing if I was upping the ante in response. But there is a certain kind of omnivore that seem to be deeply triggered by the existence of veg*ns. I mean, it really really seems to bother them.

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“They will hunt you, they are like a cross between a lentil and a velociraptor,”

Well, that's a horrifying image.

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lemmy.world

Took us vegans a long time, but after hours in our labs we finally are ready to roll out our bio weapon.

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sh.itjust.works

Damn you, vegans! I’ll see you in hell!

Shakes fist angrily while collapsing from my simultaneous asphyxiation and heart failure.

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Yes please! They have good music in hell. Also, in heaven there are only Christian Karens, pedophiles and antivax babies, you know how fucking annoying all those screaming babies are. And then complaining Karens on top of that.

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Our insect creations acting like over-sized nano-bytes, go forth my children, save the planet.

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reddthat.com

Yeah we just need to proliferate wild guinea hens and other tick predators to knock their populations down. I'd rather the entire eastern US look like Kauai (random feral poultry) than have ticks take over.

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Opossum are native, eat ticks and do not carry rabies. They are heros!

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Ulvainreply
sh.itjust.works

Maybe.. but there were so many examples of disastrous consequences for introducing a non native species to control a pest (biological pest control), like thr cane toad in Australia, or ferrets in New Zealand, etc...

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So when is the government going to deliver my local squadron of tick-squashing gorillas?

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Salehreply
feddit.org

What kind of maniac cooks fries in beef fat?

That sounds like a recipe for cardiac arrest.

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That's actually extremely common. Belgian fries (the original French fries) are originally cooked in beef fat. But nowadays it's often a beef/plant based fat mix instead. It's actually quite hard to find vegan fries in Belgium.

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The alt right health grifter sphere is currently obsessed with the evils of “seed oils.” Tallow is supposed to be magically better for you.

A couple of steps away from the raw milk drinkers and the “rebel canners.”

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I've been told that more recently than the 2000s, but I'll be honest, I didn't really do much research into it. Sorry that I offended you by being wrong.

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McDonald's stopped using beef tallow for fries in 1990. I suppose that might be relatively recent if you are an elf.

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Salehreply
feddit.org

That confirms the maniac assessment. Look at this guy:

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lemmy.world

The syndrome is not caused by a pathogen but spurs an allergy to a sugar molecule found in mammals and an array of other things, from toothpaste to medical equipment.

Lone star ticks are aggressive and can speedily follow a human target if they detect them. “They will hunt you, they are like a cross between a lentil and a velociraptor,” said Sharon Pitcairn Forsyth, a conservationist who lives in the Washington DC area.

A particular horror is the prospect of brushing up against vegetation containing a massed ball of juvenile lone star ticks, know as a “tick bomb”, that can deliver thousands of tick bites. “They are so tiny you can’t see them but you have to take it seriously or you’ll never get them off you,” said Forsyth, who now carries around a lint roller to remove such clusters.

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lemmylumpreply
lemmy.world

Many years ago my dog brought in a tic bomb, and got into bed with me. I awoke to my left arm and hand covered in so many sesema seed sized tics I could not even see my skin.

It took hours to get them off me and my dog.

I dodged a bullet cause I didn't get any illnesses, nor did my dog.

I'm still freaked out though.

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This happened to me once (with deer ticks, not lone star) while I was having a nice walk in the woods high on shrooms. Worst trip of my life.

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I wonder if the tick bomb babies are less likely to transmit anything because they probably haven't fed on anything yet? I would think they'd have to feed on a mammal to get the compound into their saliva.

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lemmy.world

Funny, humanity contributing to the reduction of the climate crisis by increasing the number of ticks causing people to become allergic to meat, meaning less demand for meat, meaning less greenhouse gases being released into the atmosphere as cattle becomes less profitable.

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lemmy.ca

My wife would be fucked unless this take out some preexisting allergies she has (quinoa, buckwheat, hazelnuts, peanuts, eggs and many legumes including soybeans although she doesn't react to soy lecithin)

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I have a soy allergy too and don't react to lecithin. My understanding is that by the time the soy is processed into lecithin, the "thing" you're allergic to is pretty much non-existent and that's why you don't react to it.

This isn't the case for all people who are allergic to soy. This is not medical advice.

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My dog is alergic to a crazy amount of things and eats hydrolyzed food which apparently changes the proteins enough to not react to it.

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Thirding this. I develop a rash even after coming into contact with something that had soybean oil on it, but lecithin is safe (for me).

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Blood-sucking ticks that trigger a bizarre allergy to meat in the people they bite are exploding in number and spreading across the US, to the extent that they could cover the entire eastern half of the country and infect millions of people, experts have warned

“We’ve seen an explosive increase in these ticks, which is a concern. I imagine alpha-gal will soon include the entire range of the tick, which could become the entire eastern half of the US as there’s not much to stop them. It seems like an oddity now but we could end up with millions of people with an allergy to meat.”

Alpha-gal is a confounding condition because it doesn’t cause an immediate allergic reaction, unlike a peanut allergy, with symptoms often appearing several hours after consuming meat. The syndrome is not caused by a pathogen but spurs an allergy to a sugar molecule found in mammals and an array of other things, from toothpaste to medical equipment. Researchers think the condition can wane over time but is also worsened by further tick bites.

Dairy, another mammalian product, is also off limits. “I’ve learned what I can eat now, but I was so sad when I realized I couldn’t have pizza again, I remember crying in front of a frozen pizza in the supermarket aisle,” she said.

Lone star ticks are aggressive and can speedily follow a human target if they detect them. “They will hunt you, they are like a cross between a lentil and a velociraptor,” said Sharon Pitcairn Forsyth, a conservationist who lives in the Washington DC area.

A particular horror is the prospect of brushing up against vegetation containing a massed ball of juvenile lone star ticks, know as a “tick bomb”, that can deliver thousands of tick bites. “They are so tiny you can’t see them but you have to take it seriously or you’ll never get them off you,” said Forsyth, who now carries around a lint roller to remove such clusters.

Symptoms can also be alarmingly varied – Forsyth said she rarely eats out now because of concerns of contamination in the food and even that alpha-gal could be carried to her airborne, via the steam of cooked meat.

“Some people are scared to leave the house, it’s hard to avoid,” she said. “Many people who get it are over 50, so the first symptom some of them have is a heart attack.”

The spread of alpha-gal comes amid a barrage of disease threats from different ticks that are fanning out across a rapidly warming US. Powassan virus, which can kill people via an inflammation of the brain, is still rare but is growing, as is Babesia, a parasite that causes severe illnesses. Lyme disease, long a feature of the US north-east, is also burgeoning.

“There’s a tremendous urgency to confront this with new therapies but the problem is we are going backwards in terms of funding and support in the US. There have been cuts to the CDC and NIH (National Institutes of Health) which means there is decreasing support. It’s a major concern.”

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Where can you end up, after getting bit by a tick?

i remember crying in front of a frozen pizza in the supermarket aisle

Ticks are evil

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

My ex ran a very successful barbecue joint in Seattle and Arkansas. She got this and ended up shuttering her business.

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ORbituaryreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

She used to be at the West Seattle farmer's market all the time. Girls Gone BBQ.

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discuss.online

I live in Arkansas and got my first lone star tick this year, thankfully I noticed right as it was biting me. 7 ticks in one month, mostly deer. Insane.

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Muad'dibreply
sopuli.xyz

Good. Running a meat restaurant is a monstrous act. No kind person would operate a corpse parlour stuffed with the carcasses of slaves, for people to consume in exchange for money. The disease is forcing her to be a better person.

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Muad'dibreply
sopuli.xyz

Well let's ask Jewish holocaust survivor, Isaac Bashevis Singer, what he thinks.

What do they know-all these scholars, all these philosophers, all the leaders of the world - about such as you? They have convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other creatures were created merely to provide him with food, pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is an eternal Treblinka.

He says people who eat meat are Nazis. I think I trust the opinion of this Jewish holocaust survivor on this matter. He makes a pretty good point. Everyone who eats meat is a Nazi, from the animals' point of view. And I agree with the animals.

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NSRXNreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

this smacks of a genetic fallacy

but regardless, the Holocaust was wrong, in part, precisely because it did treat humans like animals. this is not an indictment of how we treat animals.

and no animal knows what a Nazi is.

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Muad'dibreply
sopuli.xyz

Yes, and that's the problem with slavery of humans, too. It treats humans the way humanity treats animals. And nobody should be made to endure that kind of suffering.

What makes animals unworthy of decency? Intelligence? Strength? Divine birthright of species? All distinctions drawn between human and animal which aim to excuse slavery are fascist in nature. Singer is right. The only excuses we have for eating meat are the same excuses the Nazis used for the holocaust. Humanity has not grown since 1945. They have not abandoned slavery, nor fascism. As Singer says, every meat eater is a Nazi.

Even the little Hitler Youths in schools being fed meatloaf. What society does to children to indoctrinate them into slave-eating is disgusting. Put blood on their hands, so that without an iron will, they will never be able to accept the truth of what they have done, lest they be overcome with guilt for their crimes. It reminds me of the indoctrination rituals used by criminal gangs, where you have to commit a crime to be accepted. It's no wonder all these adult Nazis can't accept that slavery is wrong.

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NSRXNreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

comparing slaves, or Holocaust victims, to animals is gross and you should stop doing that

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I'm afraid that no matter what you say, Isaac Bashevis Singer has already said the following:

“In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought.”

“As often as Herman had witnessed the slaughter of animals and fish, he always had the same thought: in their behaviour towards creatures, all men were Nazis. The smugness with which man could do with other species as he pleased exemplified the most extreme racist theories, the principle that might is right.”

“As long as people will shed the blood of innocent creatures there can be no peace, no liberty, no harmony between people. Slaughter and justice cannot dwell together.”

He has said that the cruelty he experienced at the hands of the Nazis is the same cruelty meat-eaters inflict upon animals. Do you not think he has that right, to interpret his own experiences? Would you descend from heaven to tell him the meaning of the violence he suffered, because you know it better than he? He doesn't think it's gross, he thinks it's true, and I trust him better than you, unless you tell me right now you were in a German concentration camp in 1945.

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We'll convert the bloodmouths, one way or another! The next plan is mosquitoes that make you allergic to cheese.

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lemmy.world

The condition, known as alpha-gal syndrome, has proliferated from just a few dozen known cases in 2009 to as many as 450,000 now.
Alpha-gal (galactose-alpha-1,3-galactose) is a sugar molecule found in the cells of all mammals except humans and some primates

Well, at least we can still eat each other, it seems. The rich be lookin' mighty tasty as of late...

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Well, they have no soul, no emotion, are not human, and seem to feel no pain.

Dig in.

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whoisearthreply
lemmy.ca

Jokes aside does it impact the love of dairy and eggs too?

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leadorereply
lemmy.world

Dairy, but not eggs. Sufferers can still eat chicken and fish.

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lemmy.world

One time I saw a lone star tick crawl into the headphone jack of my phone.

I tried everything I could think of to get it out, to no avail. Then I googled two things:

  • What eats ticks?

  • Guinea hen mating sounds

After fifteen seconds of guinea hen sounds, I watched the tick crawl out of my phone... and immediately disappear.

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Do you have experience with ticks? You can't stomp them. They're too small and flat with hard shells and don't squish. They have to be cut in half, burned, or drowned. Some people can kill them with their fingernails, but mine are too short.

I found two of them on my body later that night and killed them with tweezers. Or fire, I don't remember which.

Also, deer ticks carry Lyme disease, not lone star ticks.

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lemmy.world

I know in Arkansas a ton of people have been getting this. I knew a guy that lost nearly 100 pounds after getting it. His diet really changes.

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it can be treated with great success using Chinese medicine.

lol

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lemmy.world

Several practitioners are having a lot of success testing it as an allergy, which it is. Mods deleted my commment but look it up, I have a family member who practices Chinese medicine and acupuncture in the US and treats people will alpha gal all the time.

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nickiwestreply
lemmy.world

My cousin got acupuncture treatments for alpha gal a couple of months ago. She went out for a steak after her last session and wound up in the hospital.

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Im sorry to hear that, it's not a one and done thing, it requires several treatments and a strict avoidance of mammal protein during the treatment. You have to east back into it slowly.

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lemmy.world

"to areas previously too cold", huh... i wonder what happened...

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Unusually Aggressive Lone Star Tick was my user name in the 2000s!

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Every time I go hiking with my dog I pull one of these little bastards off his fur. I cover him in permethrin, as well as every inch of my clothing, shoes and hat, so I'm not SUPER stressed about it, but it's still annoying. A couple days ago I found one in his tail floof (he's a golden so it's a giant poof.) The tick was near dead already by the time I got it untangled from his fur thanks to the permethrin though. Usually I spot the ticks on him either because they're on his head (where they're easy to spot immediately), or because they got tangled in his fur and couldn't jump off. I've never once seen one bite him thankfully.

It's wild to me because I have only seen other kinds of ticks twice so far this season, but otherwise it's all lone star ticks, which are not supposed to be the most common where I am. They're definitely more prominent this year though. Of all the tick diseases, alpha-gal terrifies me the most, so I'm not thrilled by this increase in lone stars.

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You can get concentrated permetherin, mix with water and apply with spray bottle to cotton clothes/socks. It bonds to the fiber and keeps the ticks off. Lasts several washes, longer if you don't dry clothes with heat.

Much cheaper to buy the concentrate instead of the premix.

Spray outside, allow clothes to dry outside. Stuff is pretty much harmless to humans. When still wet or in concentrate, it is absolutely deadly to cats. After it has bonded to your clothes, it won't hurt the cats. Doesn't work if you apply it to your skin, the skin oils or something deactivate it.

Haven't had a tick in years since I started using it.

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I can't, nature got so enough of burgers, that it invented self injecting vacciness for their health issues!

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Meat production is a major contributor to climate change. This is almost as if nature is acting in self defense.

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silence7reply
slrpnk.net

No, but it means you won't be able to eat the rich.

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FIngernails and toenails are primarily composed of dead skin cells. I wonder if having a meat allergy would make one allergic to biting their own nails.

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silence7reply
slrpnk.net

They don't directly kill people; they make people allergic to mammal meat, so that they can't eat that any more.

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lemmy.today

I am hoping to take a vaccine that can kill them dead, or least take care of their parasites. As a guy who likes steaks, hot dogs, and juicy burgers, these ticks are abominations.

Oh, and the Wall of Flesh that prevents screwflys from spreading through the neck of Panama has started to fail. You and your pets will likely have your flesh being eaten.

What a wonderful time to live on the American continent. 🤕

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Don't worry, if someone tries to make that a reality RFK will just say that it's a nanochip tracking super austism biological weapon shot that kills you a year later and nuke the program.

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This year has been insane. I have pulled a dozen off my wife, myself and my child, and probably another dozen off my dog. Luckily none latched on so far.

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474Dreply
lemmy.world

“Many people who get it are over 50, so the first symptom some of them have is a heart attack.”

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moriquendereply
lemmy.world

Eating meat is not unethical, making animals suffer is. Humans are natural omnivores. Is it unethical to exist?

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We don't need meat to survive but eating meat (in moderation) makes it much easier to ensure you get all nutrients you need. Especially when you have children, it's very dangerous to attempt a vegan diet. Also, killing animals is part of nature and happens all the time. What's not natural, and what's unethical, is making their lives miserable before that happens.

And speaking of ethics, you just said two comments above that we should spread this disease worldwide, and were fine with people dying from it just for following the diet they've had all their lives. Not very consistent in my view.

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lemmy.world

From what I understand (besides all the other effects of this it apparently causes), the end result for someone affected, if they were an omnivore that ate beef/pork/lamb would just switch to eating all seafood/poultry?

So, besides the extremely problematic ethics of spreading an extremely harmful condition worldwide, I think the net effect would be that a different set of animals would be getting killed, not that people would suddenly be eating more ethically....

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