lemmy.world blocked the largest piracy community in all of lemmy
cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/2881638
The largest piracy community is hosted over at ![email protected]
lemmy.world has blocked it. It appears to have also blocked ![email protected].
If this is a problem for you, I'd suggest migrating accounts using LASIM to an instance that doesn't block it (such as lemm.ee).
edit:
An official announcement has been made:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/[email protected]Open linkView original on lemmy.world1986
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Despite reports I have decided to keep the comments open and the post up. I think removing this will only add fuel to the fire.
Might be worth remembering here that Lemmy instances, including .world are hosted by regular people. Not massive multinational companies worth billions who can engage the best legal talent around.
If Hollywood comes after a Lemmy instance, Holywood have a huge legal team and endless money. The Lemmy instance has some guy. They could quite literally destroy a persons life. With that in mind, I don't blame any instance owners for erring on the side of taking a stance that won't put them in the legal firing line.
Some of the comments in here are a fucking disgrace and a disappointment.
I just shut down my own self-hosted instance the other week because of legal concerns. Caching anything and everything that gets pushed to my server and basically having to put all my faith in other admins taking care of illegal stuff in a timely manner was stressful and not worth the risk. And that was a solo instance!
It’s only a matter of time until lawyers backed by millions of dollar come knocking on the door of lemmy admins and I can’t fault lw for being pro-active. Whether or not it’s legal in your jurisdiction to host communities like this doesn’t matter at all if you’re not the one with a name attached to the server. Even wrongful legal claims by copyright holders are costly and time intensive to fight back against.
Why should a private person who hosts an instance for thousands of users for free subject themselves to such a risk?
It's unfortunate, but it's kinda understandable why they chose to do so. The admins are just a bunch of regular people, they may not have the financial security to risk the legal issues that could come from having any sort of piracy related content.
I guess I'll just be using my alt acc for piracy stuff.
Situations like these are the strength of the fediverse. Move your account to an instance that shares your values or doesn't care about stuff like this.
Maybe you shouldn't even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?
Edit: Didn't mean to ridicule any of you all. I based my comment on my experience when I signed up. At that time there were plenty of instances to pick from and getting approved at my instance of choice was very quick. My bad.
Maybe I didn't have my crystal ball nearby when I was creating my Lemmy account.
Maybe many users will have an account on the largest server, because by definition it's the largest server, with the most users. 🙄
I highly recommend opening a lurking account in one of the NSFW instances. They are probably some of the fastest, most progressive and best funded instances on Lemmy. You do not have to browse the NSFW content.
I don't think that makes sense if you're worried about defederation. Porn instances are particularly at risk of being defederated from (and thus you potentially can't interact with large communities).
No I swear I just have an account there for all the SFW stuff!!!
Also, they don’t ask for your email! A friend told me that.
Shhh don't tell people my secrets!
What's their email? ;-D
It’s so easy to change instances, and there are extensions and things to export/import your subscriptions, etc. Just head over to one ones that’s hosting the content, or check out others to see if they will keep federated with the pirate communities. Make the same username, and most won’t even know that you’re posting from a different instance. You can still see everything you did before, just also possibly some other stuff. You might also get beehaw and hexbear (for better or for worse is up to you)! I feel like I might hop instances a few more times before I settle.
Hmmm
Okay, you’re not on Reddit anymore where things are just easy because they spent time to figure it out. Fediverse is just a fledging group of sites that are getting an influx of users, while still trying to figure out both their instance, and cooperative rules that fit both their values and the wants/needs of their users. You want a well oiled machine, jump back into the mainstream where they use your data to personalize the adds they place between all the things you want to see. Or, you can go with the flow as this new ecosystem forms, sans ads, and free of data collection.
It’s fine if you’re not ready.
Hey. It's me, the other instance. How about we meet up?
Can you make a recommendation for a tool to migrate "subscriptions etc."? I'm using Connect if that makes a difference.
Also, Lemmy.world has been very unreliable lately anyway. Does Lemmy.ee have a good reliability record?
https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim is the general recommendation
Since I'm not a programmer - how do I get it running?
Just download the zip for your operating system, unzip and click on the executable: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim/releases/tag/v0.2.2
Damn, I didn't figure out you're supposed to click on the releases. Thank you.
I switched over to lemm.ee fully a couple of weeks ago because Lemmy.world was down constantly. I’ve yet to run into issue on lemm.ee
Which generally means it'll be the slowest and most overloaded. With federated systems, it's best to avoid large instances.
Some of us made our accounts on lemmy.world within a week(?) of its creation when it was tiny (June 5 for me). Doesn't stop it from belonging on mildly infuriating
It wasn’t the largest when some of us joined…
There was 1000 people about when I signed up.
I don’t remember where it was for me, but I do remember it being the hop-on point for me into Lemmy because it was already well populated, so I figured it meant “good”. Now that I understand lemmy better, I’ve realized I don’t need to patron it anymore - there are better instances for me. I suspect that this is a good thing that something is causing users to move. I’m sure .world is the face of fediverse, or at least lemmy, for many at this point and will continue to grow in user base. Maybe losing users on the back end will satisfy the DDOS attackers, and also lighten the load while .world’s admin get it figured out.
Maybe this is a natural process of the fediverse?
on the mastodon side at least quite a few people started off on mastodon.social and migrated over to smaller instances (or in some cases migrated to entirely different software families like pleroma or misskey)
i'd go as far as to say (jokingly ofc) that you aren't a true member of the fediverse if you didn't migrate at least once
Is there an automated way to move my account and all content to another instance?
no
the only thing that exists is LASIM which will allow to transfert your communities, blocks and profile settings from one account to an other (but you need to create the new account first)
Keep getting an error when I go to download - "Cannot write file - access is denied", and this is after it says that login is successful.
Not sure what OS you are using but make sure you have write permissions in the folder you've extracted the app to. If you're on Windows you might want to try running it as administrator.
Thanks, that did the trick! (Additionally, moved the file from downloads to a new folder in windows)
I think the answer is not yet, but unless you're some kind of fediverse celebrity it shouldn't be that burdensome, right?
One benefit the Fediverse has over a centralized site is that, as long as you set the same display name and avatar, most people will recognize you after a migration. For example, I know a few fellow Lemmygrad guys who have alternate, identical Lemmy.ml accounts for posting on instances that block Lemmygrad, and you can't even tell which account they're using unless you visit their page.
You can use lasim.
No but I believe there is something on GitHub to help subscribe to the same communities once you create a new account.
What a snarky thing to say
To give credit where it's due, when the big Reddit migration happened many instances could not handle the influx of migrating users. Some people might have only had .world as an option.
Situation still sucks tho. Hope upcoming Lemmy updates make moving accounts between instances easier.
https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim is already a pretty easy option
It was the only server that was accepting when I joined. I still have applications at a few, but never got approved. Signed up on startrek.website yesterday. I was motivated by the ddos more than any thing else.
Honestly, I just found this place first, and I don't remember what I came here for. I didn't make an account, then I did recently and now get approved. Lets goo. Options are great the advantage of the Fediverse is that you can always create a new server instance every time. Probably always changing your IP every time the server gets taken down and have none of the names associated with it are the same.
Maybe literally any other instance at all could have not completely glitched out when I tried to sign up back in June.
A strength and a weakness. The strength, as you say, is being able to move to a different instance. However, the weakness is that Lemmy (the software) requires each instance to keep a copy of every federated post for its users to interact with. This means they have to host (and be legally liable for) data that they can't police beyond blocking the community / instance.
You are completely right, but account migration also needs to become available for situations like this.
I made my account here while waiting for the instance I actually wanted to come online
I went with lemmy world so i could catch the widest net in content. And up till now i agreed with the reasoning of the other defederating.s But it seems like it won’t take much to provoke more restrictions. Guess i will have to lurk in other shores.
This is basically what I did not that long ago.
its not a bug, its a feature! the faceless admins get to tell you watch content you can get now, not a faceless corporations! its so good that all the instances are starting a war with each other over the content they host because it means we have the choice of who gets to decide what content we like to see!.
I can sense the sarcasm of your post, yet the words you've written are actually true. This is exactly what decentralisation is all about. on some other websites you might lose access to the content entirely, on the fediverse you can just go there direct and still get all of the content, nobody can ever take that away from you except for the people who manage that content.
That's literally the main selling point of this kind of setup. Nobody, faceless or otherwise, can stop you accessing any of the content.
decentralize a centralized socialmedia format. amazing strategy.
This is probably the best option for Lemmy.world. It’s not being run by a big company, after all. Normal people often get screwed when their servers have anything related to piracy on them.
Not only that, it was a brand new account on a totally different Lemmy instance that demanded lemmy.world admins remove piracy related communities.
Honestly it seems like lemmy.world admins were trolled by some random throwaway account and took the bait.
EDIT: The post in question in case others haven't seen it https://lemmy.world/post/3175920, a new account from lemm.ee makes their first & only post in lemmy.world demanding that they defederate & remove anything piracy related.
Not even reddit admins were this stupid
Understandable reason but there is not one illegally shared file in these communities. What's next, watching a John Wick movie makes me a murderer now?
Legal fees are expensive, even for spurious lawsuits. People and companies have gone under even when they're in the right because the court case cost too much.
Lmao. What a shitshow
And now the account that redirected all of lemmy.world has been banned from lemmy.world for ban evasion.
This whole thing is weird
https://lemm.ee/post/4235833 yours got a bad gateway
That's just lemmy.world servers having their usual issues loading. Though it is kind of amusing, a lemmy.world user going to lemm.ee to view a lemmy.world post, federation is funny that way :P
They should have asked them to change their rules instead. Sharing DL links can get the admin in trouble. LueLinks had to do away with it at one point too, and they were primo pirate site back in the day. I think reddit had r/piracy and other subs change their rules - the one that had links to mushroom spore sellers (forgot the name) had to stop sharing links to sellers that sold magic mushroom spores (not an illegal thing to do). It’s tough, but admin made guiding rules, and that breaks one of them. Plus, if it’s on their server, it could be admins head on the chopping block.
Are you talking about a different community or instance? ![email protected] does not allow direct links to content yet lemmy.world admins blocked it anyway.
True but it hosted in Germany. That country does not take it easy on piracy...
Even the German specific Lemmy instances like https://feddit.de do not block the piracy discussion communities.
The piracy blocking stuff seems like something lemmy.world admins decided to do based on a troll from another instance demanding it.
That user can sue if they don't obey, in most jurisdictions. If it comes that far, it's too late.
Why would the user be able to sue? Unless they thought their work was being infringed (in which case why they wouldn't send a dmca?) I don't see what possible standing they'd have.
I think people forget that decentralized doesn't mean anonymous, and it also doesn't mean that server admins and servers aren't beholden to local laws
Wtf dbzero was a huge proponent of the fediverse and has been a part of the recent swell in users. I don’t agree with this decision at all
Remember that lemmy.world has to keep a copy of whatever content appears in a federated community on their servers, making them legally liable for the content. At least they just blocked the community instead of defederating.
Would you mind explaining the difference?
Blocking the community just blocks those specific communities. Defederating would be blocking everything on lemmy.dbzer0.com.
Basically they blocked the communities but not the instances they were hosted on, so people on lemmy.world can still interact with posts and comments made by people like me
Defederating cuts off the whole instance. They just blocked those three piracy communities as far as I understand.
I mean if you support illegally hosted material you can be forced to take down your website. As much as it sucks, piracy is illegal. Anyways, they haven't defederated, just blocked that community.
In many jurisdictions what they're doing there isn't illegal at all. It is well understood that you do not post links out in the open.
Downloading isn't illegal, sharing is. At least outside of the US (and a few others)
Only here because of my instance.
I'm late to comment, so I may be typing into the void.
I understand the admin's decision to limit their exposure to legal risk. I had similar experiences as a small business owner and you would be surprised how quickly most people's idealism is tempered by the risk of potential legal action. It's totally possible to believe strongly in the legality of something and its benefit to society (in this case piracy) and still choose to limit your own legal exposure. As far as I know, none of us paid to be here, so the polite thing to do is say "thank you for hosting us" and move on if it's not your thing (or just make a second account).
I believe our current copyright/intellectual property scheme is broken at best, and designed to fuck us out of every bit of culture that has ever existed, at worst. Piracy exists because the system is broken and the industry is entrenched and refuses to adapt to customer demands. It screws music fans, artists, and probably the individual low-level employees of many music industry companies and organizations.
Given lemmy.world's uptime vs how well pirates keep torrent seeds up, I'd be surprised if anyone in that community actually uses lemmy.world as a primary instance lmao
This is not difficult to deal with, setup an account on another server and stop using lemmy.world
Huh, isn't this Spez strategy?
5D chess in all its glory!
No need to stop using LW. I’ve got three accounts on different instances plus kbin. Oh, and I fifth on if you count my nsfw login. Partitioning your online life is nbd, really. And the fediverse makes it easy.
Why bother to have 5, an account on a single decent instance should be sufficient.
Sopuli was my original instance from before I knew what the Fediverse was but however they have their server set federated community discovery has been broken from the beginning. World is my reddit migration account and I moderate a couple of communities there. I really like some of the communities on Beehaw, and they defederated pretty quickly from just about anyone with more than a few users, so I got an account there. Kbin didn't seem to work as well cross-federation so...number 4. And I use a different handle for NSFW. It would be nice to have an app for aggregating usernames across instances, but I much of my browsing from desktop so it's really nbd.
I love these comments. It shows the federation is working. If reddit did this it was "oh no what now" but with lemmy it's just "time to move to another instance"
but only if you know enough about the fediverse to be aware; if i had no logged into like i usually don't do on these days, i would never know and spend the rest of my time on lemmy.world trying to figure out why i can't find any pirating stuff to share.
I would think it would be the responsibility of lemmy.world to put up a notice of why they've done this, if they've not then that potentially reflects badly on them (but I don't know enough about the details and reasons).
True, would have expected something in ![email protected] but there's been nothing announced there.
Makes me a bit suspicious that there is any credibility to the claim. We're going off a supposed screenshot of what looks like a Discord message?
If you try to access one of the blocked communities from lemmy.world you'll see it's blocked, dude
That... would've been a good idea to try ha.
Is there an automated way to move my account and all content to another instance?
Check this program: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim
And here I thought that Fediverse was serious about being an alternative to heavily censored platforms. Now I see it's just a joke.
Why are so many people still on Lemmy world. We're supposed to be decentralized. One of the benefits to decentralization is that you can choose to avoid blocks like this. Stop centralizing!
Who would win?
One troll account made 10 hours ago.
the entire lemmy.world userbase.
Admins decide.
Turns out finding a good lemmy instance is a huge pain in the ass. I started on lemmy.ml but it was full of tankies so I moved to lemmy.world now they banned piracy so I'm on lemm.ee which gets a lot of crap from tankies still, not as bad as lemmy.ml but it's really fucking annoying. Like I'm not interested in Russian propaganda or how the soviet union's genocide was justified actually, please give the user a way to block all tankies and nazies and stop blocking things globally for everyone.
piracy is the only remaining counter force to the full blown mega corp monopolies that have full price control and right now showing us that with their way above inflation extraction antics.
It’s sad it has come to this but given failure to regulate and the concentration and capture of almost everything by these companies rent seeking everyone really requires some kind of counterbalance.
I’m guessing LW is also prepping for a shareholder sellout down the road.
This is fucking lame and will have a HUGE impact on Lemmy as a whole.
Sorry to be blunt, but this is an ignorant and dumb move. Nobody likes over-moderation.
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Unless the users themselves are directly posting links to the content and hosting it (the pirated content) on lemmy, no instance would be held liable. Anyone defending this has no idea what the fuck they are talking about.
No, it won't. Only those little bits.
Because that's how the fediverse works.
You should like... not be so quick to call people ignorant. Especially when you're displaying a lot of ignorance as to how this entire setup works.
lemmy.world admins need a lesson on the Streisand Effect.
The nice thing about federation is that we can all go fuck ourselves and die alone on our personal private servers under a bridge.
I don't know why people feel indignated by this, they're just trying to save thier ass and prevent future problems with the law. Chill out
All for a request of a racist troll/disney bootlicker
Eh, so what? Migrate to another instance.
Wow! Even Reddit hasn't shut down the Piracy subreddit.
Well, this is goodby to lemmy.world! Rest in pieces
I love all the salty comments about having to move. Its piracy, it will always be removed if it becomes too popular. This is how it has always been and always will be. No one is obligated to feed you free shit without any effort on your part. They take one place down and you move on. Either get used to it or start paying for services.
Guess I gotta instance hop. I need me mateys
Begun, the Lemmy Wars have.
https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/
Always relevant, and will be for any large Lemmy server.
Well at least lemmy.world is starting to look more and more like shit. Can't keep the servers up, keep defeding, absolute nonsense.
The instance wasn't defederated. Just the community blocked.
Why tho. I can block a community myself if i dont want to see it. This does not make sense.
They want to avoid lawsuit. Which are probably going to happen to dbzer0, I don't know where they are hosted, but they might get in trouble once they reach a large userbase
No pirated content is hosted on the instance. It’s just refugees from communities that already existed on reddit for years with no issues.
I went over to my other account and got this https://lemm.ee/post/4235833
Ive seen this account or at least the same kinda text with communities some dick wants to be defederated on all sort of instances. Looks like a troll
Then why doesn't Reddit have that problem with r/piracy?
They have lawyers to defend themselves.
They do, they just have the manpower to deal with it.
They're corporate, the exact thing we want to avoid here.
They are afraid of liabilities, maybe...
There is no "maybe", that's exactly what it is (it's in the OP's link).
Lemmy.world may be one of the largest instances but it never promised to be a straight Reddit clone. While it's still figuring out scaling up and still attracting large DDOS attacks, the last thing they need to be dealing with is DMCA claims and letters from copyright lawyers.
This is the beauty of federated social media. Don't like the rules? Go somewhere else.
Me? I currently don't care... I am not interested in that community, I know that people who are interested can still visit it from other instances.
Oh come on. Its not like world has pirated files on their server which they share with everyone or something. Its just info.
If they are that scared might as well stop with setting up lemmy servers. Or block all that fucking kiddie hentai communities
And yet linking to legally finable content on servers run by other parties can incur fines on the order of 50k-250k over here in Germany. I'll be honest, if I ran any we site I'd be removing anything can be constructed as such a link, too.
Chances of me getting fined would be about 0, but it's really not a risk I'd be willing to take. And this is the largest lemmy instance so if anyone where to go after lemmy, they'd go after world.
Are they linking files? If so then yeah i get it. Thought its just talk about piracy not xtual sharing
I remember they once tried to sue someone for linking to a torrenting site, so I'm not sure how linking to a piracy community works. AINAL. Just saying, in a way I can see admins rather wanting to stay as far away from such topics as they can, especially given how lemmy.world is the biggest lemmy target right now, hence the constant DDOS outages, too.
Because community content is cached on other instances, so you can find all the content from these piracy communities under the lemmy.world domain as well and this is likely to be interpreted by law enforcement / a judge as hosting this content, which can get the server admins into legal trouble depending on the jurisdiction.
IIRC, lemmy.world is hosted in the US, making them liable under US laws.
edit: IR incorrectly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They are actually hosted in Finland, but some of the admins are US based and can thus also get into legal trouble. Not sure about the legal situation in Finland.
oops!
The server and owner are in Europe. Though the anti piracy laws here are tough. Honestly can’t blame them.
There are other instances that don’t have this issue though.
Which doesn't makes it less shitty.
It does. Defederating basically blocks all their communities and users for everyone on your instance. It's a far bigger deal than blocking a community
I still don't agree with the decision, but it's a matter of scale
they are volunteers paying from their own wallets to keep this going. You aren't entitled to anything on the fediverse. grow up.
And the end product isn't very good, regardless of effort.
Your parents would agree
I don't think you understand what "defeding" means.
Reddit 2.0
Edit: I saw I got lot of downvotes and I realize my mistake: This is not Reddit 2.0 because not even reddit was stupid enough to block their r/piracy.
Turns out it's easier for a corporation to defend themselves with lawyers than it is for the average Joe. Who would've guessed?
Feels like home doesn't it!?
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I just created an account on lemm.ee - thanks for the info.
Who is actually "infuriated" by this? Some idiots?
One would think the devs would dedicate some time to fix this particular failing of Lemmy, because "download the entire internet of a site because one (1) user posts in one (1) community in one (1) server" is just ridiculous from a lot of standpoints, both technical and legal.
Better to insulate the major instances from potential liability. If people want to find the piracy channels, they can.
Well glad I had already started changing instances.
What a disappointment.
Time to make an alt account asap
That's disappointing. Guess I'll join another instance.
This is basically why lemmy is a hassle. One shit gets blocked, you move and register then you learn these guys are alt-right or peddle child porn or some other bullshit and then you have to register again and again. It's confusing and quite annoying.
Yay Lemmy.world, you kicked yourself in the dick, congrats.
Rule 1 is too vague.
They can defederate with any instance with this rule. Why not just say "because we want to"?
Unless those communities were sharing links to pirated content. If it was just talk about piracy and piracy news then I don't think that's a good reason to defederate.
Illegal in which country? Copyright infringement isn't illegal in my country for example, except for severe cases where you're profiting off of it. If we have to cater to all countries' laws we might as well ban music as well since it's illegal in Afghanistan.
I'm assuming Germany. As I understand, lemmy.world's admin is Dutch, the servers are located in Finland and they are leased from a German company. So if piracy is illegal in any of these countries, they could get into trouble. From what I know, Germany is quite strict, so I'm guessing that is the concern.
There are many different laws with different countries. Don't forget that most (if not all) Fediverse instances are run by people in their free time with donations that just cover server costs. They aren't LLCs so there is always the concern about legal issues. Not sure if that is their motivation but could be part of it.
Kind of a shitty move really
Oh no, anyway. The community itself is still available for the adventurous.
To try and counter some of the stupidity in this comment section: There is nothing illegal about the piracy community and not even Reddit blocked it, the dbzer0 server has been one of the most civil and well managed around and this is a rediculess move!
I don’t care about the piracy community but people are complaining about they having to create multiple accounts and saying Lemmy will never reach critical mass like this…
But why would we want to reach critical mass? I don’t want to sound like a gatekeeper but growing just for the sake of growing is never been good on anything.
Specially as Lemmy is still an alpha software. And people are still figuring out how is the better way to moderate ourselves instead of waiting to Big Corpo to do so.
This is part of being an early adopter. You give feedback, sometimes things don’t go your way, other they hear you out.
I’m loving the experience so far. The Fediverse still is not mature enough (we block fast) but we are still figuring things out.
Looks like I need a 5th login.
To be fair, I don't know where world is hosted by at least according to my local law here they'd be right: linking to piracy can get you in trouble.
Now usually you can safely ignore this still, sure. Unless you're large. And with world being so big I could see them being the very first target someone would drag in front of a court if they are in a place where such laws exist. It sounds stupid, but I can understand why the devs would not want to go through that.
I'm leaving
Well, they can just open it on another instance. This is the beauty of Lemmy and the Fediverse.
No need. Users can go to other instances and continue accessing it from there just fine.
Yeah, but we are not expected to deal with this kind of shit too soon and out of nowhere.
Who cares. Lemmy.world sucks. I got tired of the constant server issues and switched a while ago. It took me like 5 minutes to find another instance and create an account. If my new instance does dumb shit like this, I'll just move again. Isn't this the whole point of Lemmy?
Glad I host my own instance so I get to choose what I get to see.
Welp, time to move to another instance
While I generally have a positive view of digital piracy (digital archiving), this is ultimately going to happen to any social media site after it gets big enough, it should be seen as a good thing for Lemmy (growing pains). Either a site gets in trouble and/or shut down for opening itself up to piracy or it proactively bans piracy. Unless Lemmy gets full-time staff to actively moderate and keep an eye out for pirated content in a community dedicated to piracy. It probably couldn’t handle such controversial community that might bring the ire of the Entertainment Industrial Complex on them.
Digital Piracy will continue and we’ll likely see them spin up their own “Pirate Bay” instance somewhere else. Lemmy.world will almost certainly defederate from them, but they’ll be around to those that know where to look, just like pirated content in general.
The owners of the largest instance on Lemmy don't want to potentially get into legal trouble.
Lemmy.world users: "omg wut about muh illegal downloads".
I am so glad you can just avoid an instance moderated by clowns and enjoy the full experience with the fediverse.
@AnimusAstralis The #fediverse does not decide unanimously. What seperates it from #corponet is, it empowering to switch instances if you have a problem with an instances (Through the means of communicating across instances and being able to easily migrate an account) Through competition only instances which have the support of their users wil prevail
As @mojo put it "Stop centralizing ! " Your undeminig the very thing that keeps us from being depended on the mercy of admins
That's one way to tell people to switch instances before it's too late. Thanks for making this public.
Looks politically motivated. Has Piraattipuolue commented?
Well, the time has come to set up my own instance.
Reaction there: oh no... Anyway
Did you read the LW TOS? It's the first rule.
The problem is this is still pretty vague. The communities that were blocked weren't sharing copyrighted material, but resources for finding and sharing said material. You might think this is being overly literal but I'm pretty sure it's the same loophole that allows reddit to host r/piracy without getting into legal trouble.
On the other hand, if we take this rule at face value it could be interpreted as not allowing the sharing of any kind of content without the express permission of the creators. This could include photographs, artwork, videos, and maybe more.
So it's not an issue of people being lazy or ignorant, but overly broad/vague rules
I won't claim to be an expert in EU laws, but I know they have strong copyright laws in place that could be a legal issue for LW.
To be fair, CoC was recently updated. It was originally pointing to mastodon.world/about which is a little vague on rule 1.
That would require people to read what they sign up for
Welp, this is the thing that got me to get rid of my lemmy.world account and move to lemm.ee. There were other issues I was able to overlook, but I need a community willing to stand up to laws that go against the interests of the people.
Oh wow... They were a big reason I made a Lemmy account at all.
Fact is, they have good reasons to. Lemmy likely was threatened by a larger industry that could've thrown millions of dollars around in a court to get Lemmy taken down. The guys running Lemmy wouldn't have enough money to win a lawsuit, the website could easily be taken down by a larger entity. When it comes to losing the community or blocking a couple communities, it's an easy choice. In summary, they're just trying to save the website by avoiding future lawsuits, and these communities still exist but can't be accessed on Lemmy itself.
Oh man. It's not like I can't understand the logic behind it, but active niche communities are the one thing lemmy really lacks as of right now, and piracy was one of the earliest and biggest exceptions to that. What a shame.
Welp, time to find a new instance.
Thanks for posting this so I knew to subscribe to the community on a different instance!
And here I am.
Hah, just joined that yesterday.
Guess I should get the blood flowing on my accounts on some other instances.
It's weird seeing otherwise normal working class people rush to defend admins, moderators, governments and authorities all the time in situations like this. I'm imagining some college kids working at starbucks or grocery stores picking up their phone in between customers posting replies championing copyright law. It's embarrassing
Come on over to our canadian instance at lemmy.ca We accept everybody and are kind with everyone!
It was inevitable and it's not their fault. Because of how the Fediverse works it means they're storing all content from those communities on their servers too. This means they're storing piracy content and can be subject to a takedown.
We knew larger instances would defederate from piracy communities at some point, don't take it out on the admins.
The communities discuss piracy, not host the content. They are two different things.
The user that requested it was a troll account create dhours before. The same user then went on to create a transphobic community and post hate. Not the sort of person the admins should be knee jerking to.
Yup, agreed 100%. The mods didn't handle this “complaint” appropriately.
I see the mods and admins are both not paying attention and are incompetent.
The Pirate Bay also doesn't host content, just links to torrents. Why has it been taken down then several times already?
When you directly link pirated content it becomes a liability. Doesn't matter if the actual content is on your own server or hosted with a third party.
Literally wasn't even an issue. Its a bad take by power tripping admins spurred on by a troll. All-round terrible decision.
Also comparing a Lemmy community to Pirate Bay is a gross exaggeration.
The user is correct. That's how Lemmy works currently
Oh wow. That could shut down smaller instances if they can't keep up with storage space.
All post and comment data is duplicate across instances. Uploaded files are not, they are simply linked to.
What the heck?
Seems like my backup account is about to be my main account after all LMAO.
For legal reasons? Isn't lemmy.world hosted somewhere else but the USA?
This is bullshit honestly, I hope they back up from this decision.... Unlike Beehaw defederating from others because of light reasons.
So Harbour do we sail to now?
Ridiculous. My alt has already become my main due to the outages. Now I’m never going back.
Nice. It was inevitable. A general lemmy instance needs to protect itself.
At the moment clicking on the links of the defedereted instances opens the instance in the browser.
I hope clients/apps like Sync/Connect/Summit/Infinity etc give us the feature to browse these defedereted instances even if we logged into lemmy.world
I know you can't post/comment/save, but for many, ability to browse would be enough.
A toggle in the settings for this feature would be enough.
I guess I'm still a noob. If I join another instance and am using something like sync or connect can't I still get the best of both worlds since I'm connected to both accounts?
This is why it's called sailing the seven seas or something
I am glad I chose an instance with a lower userbase
Wait... What does that mean for me, whose account is on lemmy.dbzer0.com ? Legitimate question, I'm not totally familiar with how everything works yet
Wow. Well here I was wondering if I should stick with kbin or switch back to lemmy.world. Guess this makes the decision for me.
You all might have to just start selfhosting like me.
How does this work? I thought only users can block specific communities. My account is on Lemmy.world, but if I'm reading community on lemmy.dbzer0.com, that stuff is stored their server, so why does lemmy.world lock me out of reading it?
Well, I was already planning to spin up my own instance. Guess this is as good of motivation as I needed.
My personal opinion prefer to keep certain special interests communities less exposed to general public, ie fight club rule 1.
Is blocking a community the right approach? I think so, from the perspective of a general populous instance.
Am I glad that I just switched instance anyway, I only subscribed to one of those previously but now I will subscribe to all three just because I can!
So I've seen u/loudWaterEnjoyer suggest the Divisions by zero instance, which I applied for (be sure to follow the vetting rules!), and u/Historical_General mentioned and suggested the lemm.ee and lemmy.ml instances, but it appears that the .ml TLD throws a "registration_closed" error...
Anybody have any other suggestions for backups and secondary accounts, that aren't
lemmy.dbzer0.com ,
lemm.ee , or
lemmy.ml
??
Join an NSFW instance. You do not have to subscribe to NSFW content if you don't want to.
Love that someone made LASIM, just wish there was also a mobile workaround so I don't have to use the laptop just to continue enjoying Lemmy every time something like this happens and I have to jump instances.
It's reasons like these that I like to create 2-4 different accounts on different instances for all around the fediverse , so that if one fails I've got a backup, but also so I can "pick and choose" which pros and cons of each instance I like.
It's obviously more to keep track of, but I encourage others to do the same: create like 3 different accounts on different instances, and toggle through them whenever you need something that one offers that another doesn't.
Well, sucks to suck I guess.
Not following any communities like that, BUT thank you for pointing to that tool! Just used it to create my lemme.ee profile 😊 super neat!
Dammit.. moved to lemmy.world cos they seem friendly and now this shit..
Anyone knows of an instance which didn't block anything? I don't want to self-host.
Boooooooo
well lemmy.blahaj.zone doesn't block it (not sponsored ad)
I guess it is time to move off lemmy world
Made a jump from Lemmy.world to Lemmy.zip for this reason. If they blocked the piracy community, what will they do next. I heard lemmy.zip is more of a democracy and they make changes by member votes, so naturally I joined them.
It's seems like a reasonable choice to me, I don't understand why this is being posted on mildly infuriating, you can just make an second account if you want to go to that instance
The chilling effect works. Can't you run an instance anonymously, or do you have to give PII to set one up?
People gonna look out for their legal selves. Can't be mad about that. I moved to avoid the occasional downtimes. Extra benefit that monero doesn't block these communities. I know they're hosted in Germany so maybe that's the difference?
Why would lemmy world do this?
Well there's a "darkweb version of Reddit" called DREAD But then again we all know how most people are "Afraid" of the DarkWeb because of media propaganda. Additionally, you'll have to endure reading DREAD while it's in light-mode (if you use the "Safest" setting in TOR)
I didn’t know this was a feature of Lemmy? Won’t it just repopulate from whoever is subscribed to that community?
First blocking Hexbear, now blocking dbzer0. Obviously the Lemmy.world admins are taking the "lemmy.world being so big is bad for the Fediverse and people should move to smaller instances" critiques to heart and trying to incentive users to move
I mean I get it, it’s a business move. I’ll just make an account there and continue to use it. Pirates sail the seas with their own ship and crew - they’re used to this sort of thing 🏴☠️
I've never pirated anything made by a giant mega-corporation! That would be wrong and immoral!
Yeah sorry, hate to say it but admen got trolled pretty hard on this one.
Will we still have access to other similar communities in federated instances or are those blocked too to lemmy.world users?
Lmao removeds. I'm leaving
Thanks, just created an account at that instance.
I need help. Can someone log in to lemmy dbzer0? I cant, every time I try I get a 400 bad request error.
What an absolutely cowardly move. It's one thing to not allow piracy on your own server, that's you're right, but to prevent your users from accessing communities on other servers? Way to give in to copyright trolls without even being asked. I would understand even if they received some kind of Cease and Desist. It doesn't seem like it, it seems like they're just willing sycophants who will probably federate with Meta at first opportunity.
Any recommendations for other instances where the admins don't make decisions based on a single troll?
Fuck your code of conduct.
I think that the ability for servers to defederate from each other is the most distasteful thing about Lemmy. I get it, admins need to be able to stop their users from being exposed to e.g. illegal content should another server they don't control allow it, but there's got to be a better way than this. The primary effect is going to be things like this, things like ideologically opposed servers blocking each other, things like Threads being blocked whenever it federates. We don't need a million little fragmented walled gardens.
I don't get it.... You can start 100 pirate instances if you want. Just not federate with Lemmy.world.
Rule #1 say "Be respectful", but reading this kind of bullshit... How the f*ck you can be respectful with those...!?
Lemmy is no longer free :(
Booo
Cmon admins....
Itt: children crying that something got blocked. They also don't know how lemmy works if they just bitch about where it's hosted.
Lemmy is mirrored with all federated instances
It's rule #1 on their rules page (bottom of page): https://lemmy.world/legal
I wouldn't expect to be able to use a general purpose server for sketchy content. Who would want that liability?
Good ridance! piracy jeopardizes the stability of !Lemmy.world If you want to be a pirate, do stupid illegal shit fine, but don't drag everyone else with you
It's illegal so of course they have to block it.
You can find pirated material on the web elsewhere so why is it important if it's on Lemmy or not?
Imagine if the idiotic media starts writing about Lemmy as a pirate network or something worse.
It's adult individuals running these servers, not companies. They would get punished in 2 seconds.
You want them to risk committing crimes for running a Lemmy instance?
If you want to downvote this, maybe you should run something illegal first in public and see how it goes.
lemmy.world admins look a lot like spez and his goons. They also defederated from Hexbear not that long ago.
Yeah, Hexbear is a massive lawsuit ready to happen. Far too many Government Cybersecurity bots scanning that instance. I'd rather not have black helicopters hovering above my house due to that site.
You are definitely the goon, in this situation.
So far lemmy.world is proving to be exactly what I want, stable. Starting to think I can start putting down roots and not worrying it's gonna go away any time soon.
Can always make other accounts I don't care about if I want to do things that don't make sense to do here.
is lemmy.world still down almost every other day? It was when I was still there.
It's been better lately, but yes, the DDOS attacks are still having an effect.
It's more stable now
This one has got the lemmy.world turbo redditors upset
Get over it. Maybe try paying for shit instead of stealing.
Good. Piracy is illegal and immoral.