Ye song glorifying Hitler gets millions of views on X while other platforms struggle to remove it
Spotify, SoundCloud and other platforms have pulled the song, but its spread underscores the challenges tech platforms face in removing content that violate their policies.
Spotify, SoundCloud and other tech platforms have worked to remove a new song from Ye that praises Adolf Hitler, but the song and its video have continued to proliferate online including across X, where it has racked up millions of views.
On various mainstream and alternative tech platforms this week, Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, has been able to share his latest song, titled “Heil Hitler,” along with its companion title, “WW3,” which similarly glorifies Hitler, the architect of the Holocaust.
While some platforms have taken steps to attempt to pull down the song, others have seemingly let it spread freely.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ye-song-glorifying-hitler-gets-millions-views-x-platforms-struggle-rem-rcna205905Open linkView original on lemmy.world
It’s literally called “Heil Hitler”.
I think anyone who defends him needs to back up now.
Whoah, whoah, we don't want to be jumping to conclusions about who may, or may not, be a Nazi. /s
Lyrics from the song
This whole, "people don't understand I have feelings so I decided to hate" thing incels and Nazis do is so fucking cringe
Oh, just because he said "Heil Hitler" that makes him a Nazi? https://youtu.be/zvgZtdmyKlI
/s obviously
There’sa lot of hateful racism among many young hip hop fans
"Hey, now, maybe he was just trying to "put his heart out" to people. Also he's autistic or something.
Him saying "I looooove Hitler" on Alex Jones was just him saying "I don't love Hitler", but in secret code."
- MAGA, probably
They're really embracing the "let him cook" meme.
Precisely why we must not allow the glorification of nazism to perpetuate.
That's illegal.
Sorry, I misread your comment.
You need to spend some time thinking on the (misnamed) "paradox of tolerance". The idea you're espousing is exactly the most critical, fundamental misunderstanding of tolerance as a moral value.
The "paradox of tolerance" is the idea that one must even tolerate the intolerant - it would be a paradox because this tolerance ultimately ensures the unbridled spread of intolerance. Folks weakly on the left have misunderstood this forever.
But there is no paradox, never has been. Tolerance must never be given to the hatefully intolerant. Nazism can never be tolerated, it must be defeated as quickly as possible everywhere it sprouts up. And I do absolutely mean violently, I am not talking about just simple ostracism or censorship.
A society that tolerates the hatefully intolerant is fully doomed. Please, come to realize that you are not advocating for anything high-minded, you are advocating for the destruction of all things beautiful, art or otherwise.
While I can't read what you're responding to, that doesn't follow (it can be ignored or protested) & no, they haven't.
The paradox of tolerance doesn't lead to a unique conclusion. Philosophers drew all kinds of conclusions. I favor John Rawls':
Accordingly, constraining some liberties such as freedom of speech is unnecessary for self-preservation in extraordinary circumstances as speaking one's mind is not an act that directly & demonstrably harms/threatens security or liberty. However, violence or violations of rights & regulations could justifiably be constrained.
A point of clarification: tolerance has a number of paradoxes identified in the SEP, and the paradox in discussion is more precisely called the paradox of drawing the limits.
Opposing basic civil liberties like freedom of expression is very authoritarian & small-minded. Basic rule on policymaking: don't give yourself powers you wouldn’t want your opponents to have.
Quoting A Man of All Seasons
Sacrificing basic civil liberties when they don't suit you is a threat to everyone. Their willingness to do that is why everyone hates authoritarians. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
There are better ways to beat these shitheads, and it's been done before. Contrary to what you wrote, defending civil liberties regardless of whose is high-minded & defends everyone.
That's a lotta words to say we should tolerate things I say we shouldn't. We can disagree, but I'm not all that interested in getting scholarly about it - the writing's on the wall, we have real - not theoretical - fascism headed our way within this 4 year presidency and we'd better be ready to fight.
Enjoy your Stanford political philosophy. I'm gonna keep watching for further sieg heils on national stages, and I know what I'll do if they become too widespread.
I wish you'd help, but above all, I wish you well.
The civil rights movement overturned defacto ethno-fascism & advanced equality by using & promoting civil liberties, not opposing them. Freedom of expression & the free speech movement were instrumental.
Even when the threat is real, compromising civil rights to combat it spills beyond the threat & backfires. Read about the Red Scare & McCarthyism to see government restrict civil liberties in the name of security (the Soviets were spying in the Manhattan Project & Federal government), Congress seize the chance to wield a partisan weapon against anyone they flimsily accuse of "Un-American" activities, the lives ruined through rights abuses, the work it took to wind back those laws. Truman criticized those restrictions as a "mockery of the Bill of Rights" and a "long step toward totalitarianism". For his reckless witch hunt against communists, Joseph McCarthy was criticized as "the greatest asset the Kremlin has". Persecution ultimately harmed anti-communist efforts more than help them, and critics argued it distracted from the "real (but limited) extent of Soviet espionage in America".
Read about how basic freedoms like speech & assembly were indispensable for disenfranchised activists to advance universal suffrage as they fought to lift restrictions due to property ownership, race, poll taxes, tests, sex, age.
Read about the considerable work those activists performed using their civil liberties to organize, picket, resist, & act in civil disobedience to gain the expanded freedoms you take for granted today. Look at their work & struggles from the abolitionist movement to black lives matter, and look at the work the activists of today are not doing. Notice how they didn't organize to weaken basic protections whereas people who think like you argue we should.
Arguing to squander basic protections with some wishful thinking that elected authority will reliably fight your causes for you without as easily turning against you
Like you, I oppose fascists and (more generally) authoritarians, but I'm very clear about why. Authoritarians don't respect limits to authority: they would tear down those pesky rights & liberties that protect free society & stand in their way, and they would readily crush people & everything we hold dear for their unworthy cause.
"Resisting" authoritarians chipping away at free society by chipping away even more is exactly what authoritarians would want. How thinkers like you don't see that is beyond me.
Your prescription is wrong & serves authoritarians: I cannot abide it.
Your belief that I don't understand these ideas or haven't encountered them is incorrect. In fact I used to prioritize those ideas myself, and encouraged others to do the same.
I don't even really disagree with most of that, I'm not talking (at all) about clamping down on free expression in a general sense. I'm saying that a free society must not equally allow every possible expression, and that anything invoking and glorifying Nazism in specific is beyond the pale and must be stopped, including violently when necessary. My point of view is not extreme, nor is it authoritarian (by my measure). There are thriving democratic nations who do exactly this right now, Germany being the example I have in mind (though I do acknowledge their special history with regard to that precise topic).
I'm also saying you seem far more interested in splitting hairs and discussing theory than solving problems. And that works fantastically for the right-wing folks who only care about winning. They don't argue ideology in good faith, they instead exploit the willingness of others to do so (like you're insisting on here) because it drags them into unproductive conversations and creates feuds (like we're doing here).
I'm not advocating for anything I'd call authoritarian, but that word means something different to everyone. I am saying tolerance must have its limits, or the spread of intolerance over time is guaranteed. I'm really uninterested in going further with you. You are not bringing me anything new or that I find valuable. You are bringing me points I have considered, largely accepted, and in narrow cases, have chosen to reject. I didn't say I've never gone into a scholarly direction on this stuff. I said I am uninterested in doing so here. My original comment about paradox of intolerance is something that person needed to hear. I never had any intention to be rigorous with my telling, and I stand by everything I said regardless.
I can tell that you feel really strongly about this stuff and I think we're on the same side. I think I probably agree with you more than you realize. I want to say one more time - I'm not interested in discussing these details. It isn't that I don't find them valuable, can't understand them, or never have learned about them. There are other valid reasons for not wanting to, and I'd appreciate a little intellectual charity from you. But that's yours to give, not mine to demand. I do wish you well.
Edit: softened tone at the end
It's more an observation that your position isn't justified well.
You are talking about weakening legal integrity of fundamental rights & committing violence against nonaggressors (violence against peaceful expression is never necessary): that's flat out illiberal & incompatible with free society. Worst of all, you've failed to demonstrate any of it is necessary or sufficient to safeguard the fundamental rights free society stands for: basic logic indicates it does the opposite. Moreover, historical record discredits your position & shows such approaches when attempted are easily abused by authorities, harm society, and end up failing: you remain conveniently mute on this.
Claiming to have heard & understood it all before doesn't mean your position now isn't broken & muddled. "Defeating" illiberal movements in ways that end up defeating free society is incompetent advocacy. I think you're mistaking fighting fascism (even at the expense of fundamental freedoms that define free society) with defending free society.
Anyone who seriously cares about free society needs to oppose illiberalism from your direction, too. I do. Your illiberalism is more insidious than overt fascism, because someone might mistake yours for progressive.
The only positive is there's a better chance of reasoning with misguided people trying to do the right thing than someone who definitely wants to end free society.
No, this disagreement is real. I cannot support recklessly subverting fundamental rights to score cheap "wins" that ultimately result in loss. Committing to a free society requires integrity to defend all of it consistently.
It's seems to me your "solution" adds to the problem. It's possible to oppose it, oppose facism, & argue for a better solution.
Moreover, it seems to me you're falling for their game. Testing integrity by trying to provoke society to weaken its legal protections enough to punish offensive exercise of fundamental rights is a classic challenge illiberals pose to lure society to attack free society.
Advocating for unnecessary limits on liberties is objectively illiberal. Weakening integrity of legal protections for fundamental rights increases their vulnerability to abuse by authorities, which is a step toward authoritarianism.
But it's wrong, your reasoning is unsound, and no one has to agree with it. Your logic isn't compelling.
Germany is not a great example. Do their restrictions inhibit the rise of abhorrent movements? People still speak & assemble privately. Neo-nazis are still around. AfD continues gaining with its intimations of ethnofascism skirting barely within legal limits. German laws seem ineffective at deterring the rise of far-right extremism, which looks hardly any different in the rest of the world.
Meanwhile, Germany has internet patrols penalizing vitriol, insults, & satirical images of politicians showing fake quotes & live police suppressing pro-Palestinian protests as anti-semitic. So, German laws seem effective at helping authorities stifle & penalize online criticism. At least when authorities (following eerily similar rationalizations in the US & Germany) try to suppress pro-Palestinian protests, protesters in the US have firmer legal claims to defend their rights.
The Principle of Charity means interpreting your words in their truest, likeliest meaning favoring the validity of your argument. It doesn't mean just letting you have the argument.
If you don't want to justify your claims convincingly, that's fine. I'm still going to tell everyone who reads this why I think a free, democratic society deserves better than the deeply broken idea you're pushing.
While I wish you well, too, you and the rest who endorse that thinking seem sorely misguided, and I wish you would think better.
That's a whole lot of words to communicate what could be easily described by reframing the concept of tolerance as a social contract rather than a moral precept.
The government isn’t silencing him. Private entities are deciding not to support it. Forcing them to would be against free speech.
Over here it's the government cracking down on music, and that's the lens I have
Private entities should be free to delist content (or not) of their own choice
I don't know why this has to keep being repeated. It's not hard.
Free speech does not mean you are entitled to have a private entity like a website host your content or speech.
He is welcome to sing this on the streets. He is welcome to publish this himself, be it hosted by a website he creates or in a physical medium.
He is not entitled to it being placed on retail shelves. He is not entitled to have it hosted on YouTube or Spotify.
This isn't hard. The government of the United States has made absolutely no moves to silence this song. He can sing it and personally distribute it as much as he wants. But no one can be forced to distribute it for him
But why educate others wrong? You may not sing heil Hitler on the streets. It is a hate crime
That depends on your country. In Germany singing this song on the street would be illegal.
In the USA where Kanye lives and produced this song it is perfectly legal to sing in the streets.
Yes because it is a nazi state. There is no confusion here
This would have been legal forever, kind of a stretch to say it was a Nazi state while defeating the Nazis.
Now I won't disagreee with you, but they're irrelevant to the free speech stuff
The states are now extremely nazi, foremost in the world. The mecca of nazism
No one is claiming private entities have to host it lol, did you even read my entire comment? I literally wrote private companies can delist what they want
So you're ranting about what exactly? Kanye has faced no repercussions from the government. The only thing that's happened was backlash from fans and private entities not hosting his songs.
Still trying to find the "attack on free speech" you ranted about
Not "ranting" about anything. In Australia the government cracks down on music. Don't be like us.
Dude, this song is practically an ode to the current US government. He'll probably play the orange turd's birthday parade. This isn't a warning that's necessary here.
Is it still music and art that should be platformed when it calls for genocide?
Edit: whoops I fell for sealioning again
Should the song I quoted be banned? If not, where exactly do you draw the line?
Is that ChatGPT?
No, it's Dead Kennedys. It's written by gigantic leftist Jello Biafra and intended as satire.
I don't think Kanye's song is satire. I think he's mentally ill and meant every word to be taken literally. But I look at songs like Kill the Poor or California Uber Alles, and I start to doubt whether some stuffy old politician would be able to tell the difference in intent between those and Kanye's song. I don't think that old politician should be given the power to ban any of them.
Anyone who listened to California Über Alles and thought it was a pro fascist song would be absolutely brain dead.
I could definitely see an elderly southern senator believing that, or claiming to believe that simply because he doesn't like punk music. You're aware of all the congresspeople claiming that Palestinian genocide protesters are antisemetic, right?
The song is literally called Heil Hitler.....
Why was my comment removed?
Me
You may want to consider the tolerance of intolerance here champ
And none of those platforms have to host the material. I don't know what drill rap is.
Who gets to decide? The gallery, the sculpture garden, and YouTube.
I agree with you, BTW. However, I haven't seen any government attempt to censor this song yet. Song sucks though, and I'm a fan of early Kanye.
Private entities should be free to delist whatever they choose
In Australia the government is banning music/artists
Show us where the government in Australia has banned music / artists? I cant find anything about this.
https://themusicnetwork.com/nsw-police-onefour-anti-outlaw-tactics/
Just use your guns to protect your other freedoms?
You are disgusting. Your argument is wack and holds no water. Social media has no obligation to host hate speech. Fuck you for being a bottom dwelling Nazi apologist.
Not defending the OP but his argument is that here in Australia the government is doing the censoring, he's all for platforms delisting it if they wish. As an aside, that's effectively the same thing (as argued by people like Philip Adams here in Australia)
As an Australian, I find government censorship of the arts problematic, this case is glaringly easy to agree with but there are a plethora of edge case issues that leave me feeling uneasy and I'm squarely on the side of Karl Popper with this.
As to everyone "disliking nazis", thats not true. Russia is led by one, as is the US and India, the current Austrian Government is led by a a political party set up by literal Nazis, across the border the AfD is praised by the US.
Look at Hannah Ardent and Albert Einstein's letter to the newspapers about the horror of Israel. So I'd suggest there is broad support for nazis, unless u mean literal nazis from Germany circa WW2, of which there aren't many left but we had one in charge of NATO, another designing rockets for Nasa and on and on, so there is that.
https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948
This seems like it was written by AI as it addresses practically nothing written here but goes off on tangents. The couple pieces that were relevant are wrong. There is nothing here to suggest that government censorship has fuck all to do with Kanye's "art" and also OP said jack fucking shit to indicate they're ok with social media taking it down. They seem very opposed to it actually. Which is why everyone hates them.
Nah this is fucked, stop trying to be whatever this is.
Yeah, if he's singing about how we should all gas the Jews, or kill all the Palestinians, or mass murder all Ukrainians, it's all fine, it's just art, you see?
I'm glad I don't have your big smooth brain
Totally wrong on this one. Your rights end where others begin. Is it OK if a guy writes a song about torturing and killing you. You specifically. No? What about 3 songs? 10 songs?
There's a very clear line in free speech. You are free to say what you wish WITH IN NORMAL PARAMETERS! Does this protect some hate speech, or what a targeted group might see as hate speech? A bit. But not the brazen stuff. You want to stand on a corner and talk about how the pope controls the weather? OK. You want to stand on a street corner and clearly call people to violence to harm Catholics and their property? No. That's not free speech. You aren't allowed to call people to violence.
Is praising Hitler, and other neo nazi garbage hate speech? Yes. It's hate speech. There's no Hitler that didn't kill millions of people. There's no nazi party that didn't call people to action and violence. You don't have the freedom to stand on a street corner and clearly make appeals to specific violence. That's never been allowed.
The guy is once again professing his love for Hitler. This song is normalizing the Usage of Heil Hitler. How the fuck do you not see that?
never meet this Hitler guy, idk he might be ok, can't judge a book by its cover
Yep, so in Australia NSW police have been contacting Spotify/YouTube/etc with requests to delist certain songs from Sydney drill rap bands that glorify and promote gang violence against Spotify's/Youtube's/etcs policies, the streamers have in some cases agreed and delisted the music, in other cases they have not and the music remains. This is after the groups theyve had issues with (eg One-Four) have caused multiple riots and had several charges and convictions, so it's arisen from a desire to serve public good. Only certain tracks have been targeted from what I can see, not whole albums or artist catalogs.
That's a far cry from the government deciding what art people can or cannot listen to in my opinion. They have only asked some streaming platforms to adhere to their own policies, and then tbe platforms have made their own decisions on case by case basis.
Is there other actions I'm not aware of? The govt hasn't passed any laws to block the sale of drill rap nor banned its play on radio etc?
He's a Nazi and he should be fucking shot.
First of all, these are private companies, not governments. They can technically do whatever TF they want, and we probably shouldn’t have ceded so much power to them.
…Anyway, I think you have a point. Or at least part of one.
It’s reasonable to draw red lines like “no nazism on our platform.” But at the end of the day Spotify and such can ban whatever they want, with no repercussions since it’s basically a network of defacto, legally shielded monopolies.
So how would we feel if, say, they started banning podcasts a little too popular and too critical of the president?
In other words, banning nazism as a policy is fine, but arbitrarily banning what looks bad to them is indeed going to be a problem.
Are you saying you think it’s ok to give a platform to content explicitly promoting genocide and Nazism so long as it has a beat?
No.
That's not really at issue here.
This isn't the government deciding what art is objectionable, and arresting those who play music they don't like. This is a private company deciding what it wants to host in it's library, that it curates, it pays license fees for, and sells subscriptions too. Ye or any Nazi absolutely has the right to make and sell any music they want. They however don't have the right to force another company to sell their music for them.
So if there is a new song that lists all of the high up government official's addresses and tells everyone to kill them and a billionaire will give them a million dollars to do it, that would be cool? You think that would be art? Nah dude, those song people would get a knock on their door before the song plays though 10 times.
While this can certainly be interpreted as defending awful people (which I'm sure someone will, prepare for downvotes because many only read the first paragraph and do not understand nuance) with an awful message, I tend to agree with you.
Music is art, and like any artwork its quality does not depend on its message. I have to admit that the gay fish was never the kind of artist I enjoyed simply because the rap tracks I like are few and far between. (Wtf is drill rap?)
But to use a different angle: I've always been a metal head, and there's quite a lot of black metal that I enjoy. And as most sensible people understand, that doesn't make me a satanist, nor do I endorse burning of churches.
So the obvious question is then: Is Ye's newer stuff any good? Well, fuck if I know. I cannot name a single song Ye made. But he's not exactly making it more tempting to try and like his stuff. Anyway, fuck him and fuck the horse he rode in on.
EDIT: I did some research. I remember Golddigger. That's all.
Unsurprisingly, it's not my cup of tea. And I don't even drink tea.
Why are they censoring that, though? I didn't notice any lyrics more controversial than what you'd hear elsewhere.
They have a documentary if you are interested https://www.netflix.com/au/title/81485425
In case you’d like the lyrics for this “masterpiece”:
This is a severely mentally man who needs help. This is not a song that should have had people working on it. This should not have been released. I have had a in-depth conversation with something who believed that Shrek was the incarnation of God and they were more cogent than this.
Kanye was always a strange and not great lyricist, but this is mental illness.
I agree with this. A while back he did an interview with Lex Fridman. For those not familiar with Lex, he does long-form interviews of an hour or more that get into great detail on various subjects, and he makes a point to educate himself on those subjects beforehand so it is an actual discussion, not the usual interview of a guy explaining his job to somebody who has never heard of it.
For anyone not convinced Ye needs help, please go listen to that interview.
Ye early on blames the 'Jewish media' for an awful lot of the world's problems. Lex encourages him to call out specific members of that media for specific problems, rather than writing off an entire religion and an entire industry. Lex encourages him to use his platform to identify bad actors and directly oppose them. Ye refuses any specifics, talking only in broad general terms.
Ye then says with full conviction that we should stop teaching history in schools, that it is a waste of time and resources to relive the past and we should be teaching science and math and engineering instead as history offers us little or nothing of value. Lex of course brings up several parallels between history and modern society and similar problems happening under similar situations, once again Ye refuses to acknowledge and keeps restating his point in different words.
These are just two of the bigger issues. I got about halfway through the interview before I concluded that this man has no fundamental understanding of how the world works or of how human nature works, that he was either deluded or mentally ill or just very stupid, let his positions are almost entirely without merit and that he is a person and his ideas are probably unworthy of any consideration of mine. For me that's a pretty big thing, I try to separate the person from the idea and give everybody equal consideration.
But after listening to Ye speak for half an hour, I concluded it was the same as going to a mental hospital and listening to one of the patients rant about how aliens ate their brain for half an hour- The only thing I get from the experience is half an hour older.
I don't know what is wrong with Ye. Maybe he is just uneducated and ignorant and managed to fail upwards because he's good at music. Maybe he is mentally ill. I don't know. But I do know that he is not a smart or intelligent person that we should be listening to in any capacity.
I’m pretty sure after his mother died, (of complications from a weight loss procedure he paid for), it broke him. He started abusing nitrous, Kim K tried to keep him compliant with doctors and meds, but eventually gave up to keep the kids safe.
I am convinced that he has always been neurodivergent - possibly autistic. He’s always had strange lyrics, but was a genius producer. He had his finger on the pulse for what kinds of sounds to bring out of SoundCloud and other spaces - you see in Yeezus that he’s kinda bringing the experiments of groups like CLPPNG and Death Grips to the mainstream.
He’s also going through some serious creative decline. Life of Pablo was strained. He’s resorting to shit like AI. That cannot feel good. He knows that something is wrong, but has to externalize it because of his “god” persona.
The comparison to someone in an asylum is apt. If he wasn’t rich, those song lyrics would have been written on a bathroom wall in feces.
He needs help, not a microphone.
He's refused help at every turn. Not even his wife could get through to him. Not his friends, not his family, not his colleagues. None of them could convince him to stay on his meds and stay sane.
You mean this Yeezus merch?
This was the same timeframe.(Sorry, different concert. This was later.) He wanted people to buy this shit as a bundle with a concert ticket.Also, Death Grips was already mainstream. They didn't need some insane motherfucker to sample their work to get popular.
Jesus is King is after Life of Pablo. Jesus is King is not good Kanye.
Yeezus didn’t sample Death Grips IIRC - it’s more a response to them. And saying that Death Grips was mainstream when Yeezus came out is horseshit - No Love Deep Web came out like a few months before.
That was a fire line, and I'm stealing it.
Only thing Kanye West needs help with at this point is shutting the fuck up.
Some rich asshole once said, "When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."
Never do a Kardashian. Not once. Meth has better long term expectations than a man involved with a Kardashian.
- Ye
There is direct correlation between right-wing ideology and brain damage
I would love to hear their reasoning. That is fascinating.
Some modern religious philosophies (most notably Chaos Magick) essentially believe that thoughts, symbols, ideas, and cultural concepts gain power through their spread and repetition. Within this framework, Shrek may as well be a god because he's the center of a popular media franchise and the basis of many popular memes. By saying "Shrek is Love, Shrek is Life" it becomes real in a sense. That's kind of where I think that would be coming from. I've seen people make similar arguments about batman and mickey mouse being their personal gods.
I've heard this philosophy before, yeah. And honestly, it's why I legit think of Jedi and Dudeists as credible. If some of the wisest writers in our distant history were revealed to actually be a shared pen name for five or six guys, then why is it weird to say that Master Yoda and Uncle Iroh are my favorite philosophers?
Sooo, American Gods?
They also included flubber. Flubber represented the Trinity - because it is neither a solid nor a liquid. God is a translucent Shrek made out of flubber.
That was the gist of it, across thirty minutes. The friends next to us were having a conversation about how both of them were vampires and their dad had power over storms.
It was a college volunteer project where I was trying to come up with volunteer projects to connect folks to the community. Was fun - we crocheted granny squares for baby rhinos.
I worked in mental health for years. Some of my most interesting patients were also some of the kindest and most compassionate. One lady was convinced that a famous director was her husband, and had (legit, in her record) walked across five states to accept his psychic wedding proposal. When another patient was in crisis, she was the first one to find us and tell us, and if we weren't there right away, she would sit with them and reassure them until we could make it.
And then there was the dude who had scammed nearly a thousand retirees because he could--and having psychotic delusions was just something on the side.
Being mentally ill is not a precursor for evil. However, Kanye seems to have made it his mission.
I so wanted this to read:
You sick pervert.
Damn, that's just sad.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/8/1786532/-Cartoon-You-made-me-become-a-Nazi is kind of timeless
The fact that the tattoo artist is covered in dog whistle tattoos is actually kind of great. I hadn’t noticed until now, but it makes sense; Most tattoo artists will refuse to do Nazi tattoos, unless they’re also a Nazi.
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It was so funny when Alex Jones was like “yeah Kanye we know what you mean, the Nazis did some good things for the German people under Hitler but you don’t ‘love’ Hitler.”
And Kanye was like
“I LOOOOOOOOOVE HITLERRRRRRRRR!”
You know you're insane when you make Alex Jones look reasonable.
Tbf, Alex Jones is more of a liar than he is insane. But yeah he's both.
He has his net and his bottle of yoo-hoo. Get it? Net N yoo-hoo??
Take your meds, Kanye
Mental illness is no longer an acceptable excuse.
I wonder how much of his write off for his behaviour comes from being rich and famous. I know damn well some dude on the street talking like Kanye would get no sympathy from regular people.
Eh more like he needs to be taken out to pasture.
They don't make a Clozapine big enough.
kanye:"never"
I'm not sure meds fixes... this.
Isn't SoundCloud in Germany? [Checks Wikipedia] Yes, it is.
Isn't promotion of Hitler and Nazism in Germany a serious crime? [Checks Qwant] Yes, it is.
E.g.
EXTRADITE KANYE!
Yet, the AfD is still allowed to exist for some reason.
They've been more careful than Kanye.
Much more, even managed to do a bunch of dog whistles to boot :(
Yes it is, but it's also protected by the freedom of art. Which makes prosecution harder, considering that 2 very strong freedoms act in Kanyes favour here
Those assholes don't give a shit about "freedom of art" when video games like Wolfenstien can't get released in Germany.
Wolfenstein has been released in Germany, just without the Swastikas. Germany is not the USA where stuff is either black or white, so this being nuanced is a good thing - even if don't like it in this particular case. Which we don't even know because we can't look into the state attorney's inner proceedings
Here's your damn nuance: "In Germany, we've removed all Nazi symbols and references. Unlike films and other works of art, video games in Germany are forbidden to use such symbols and references as they are classified in Germany as toys and not media art."
Toys? Sorry, I'm not going to call The New Order a toy, nor most of the other story-centric video games I play.
Nazi
I can't believe it was that incident that revealed Snopes as a nazi outlet(they basically said it was impossible to tell and talked about "not being able to read his mind". And they have made zero attempts at correcting the article or changing their stance, so they stand by what was written)
They desperately sane wash Trump.
I wonder if it’s connected to the drama behind the site. There was a really good breakdown I read about how a war between the guy and his ex wife over who got to own it..
Can I just say, I fucking hate that line in particular. It's a thought-killing cliché.
Of course we can't know what's in anybody's mind or heart. So we have to go by their actions. And his actions were, quite plainly to anybody with eyes, a Nazi salute. And honestly, it's not surprising or shocking that he would do one; his other actions around the world scream "Nazi".
Man, for years, I had right wing dickbags telling me Snopes was leftist propaganda because it debunked all their crazy bullshit. And now they go and pull something like this.
They've been doing it since Charlottesville.
Got a link?
I think this is the one I read a while back.
There was lots of e-begging in the mid 2010s IIRC.
But htf do you seriously publish this? “But omitted his words explaining the gesture”? No, it’s a fucking Nazi salute.
When we say "Ye did this", how many people actually recorded, played, produced, published this? I know next to nothing about modern music production, so maybe now he can do all of that at home with a laptop and an internet connection, but if there are others making money out of a clearly unstable person and getting none of the hate, I'd like at least to try and avoid giving them my money
It's ok. You can say it here. The algorithm isn't going to get you.
Apparently not given the mod removed the comment.
How depressing. Hail the algorithm. It rules all.
Cargo cult moderation
I can see it just fine on my instance.
rare .ml win?
I think a huge part of the reason suicidal people feel so alone is because society absolutely refuses to talk about it.
If you choose to self censor to make your content more friendly to advertisers while robbing vulnerable suicidal people of the language they need to be taken seriously, of course people are going to end up "unaliving" themselves because of it.
Imagine trying to explain you're suicidal to a friend who isn't even capable of hearing the word "suicide".
People pretend to care until you actually ask for help.
Talking about how we really feel pushes people away.
I'm really sorry you had that experience, but from my own I don't find that's always true. I don't struggle with suicide per se but I do get intrusive thoughts telling me too and these really scared me when they first started happening because I didn't understand the weren't from me.
I've talked about this with at least 4 or 5 of my close friends and they all understood and many even related and have their own struggles.
I've had friends who self harmed, friends who have threatened to harm themselves, everytime we had a heart to heart about something like that it's only brought us closer.
I think for me at the point the pessimism and bitterness has taken over and I see the worst in everything seemingly all the time. I usually don't talk about what I'm thinking because it'll come off as complaining and negativity when in reality I'm just so tired of everything being so fucked up.
Instead of burdening others, I don't say anything. I feel like I'm silently drifting towards suicide. Even if I say the most offending problems out loud nothing will change because all the problems stem from human nature itself.
There was a streamer I used to watch that ended up killing himself. Before he did it he was talking about whether life is a simulation and that killing himself might get him to the next "level"... And that's honestly stuck with me. He was successful, popular, loved etc... and yet that wasn't enough. There's no way this can be all there is to life.
I understand what you mean. That's sort of what I was expressing my frustration about earlier is that I think society makes it that way. You aren't being negative or complaining, these things are completely normal but we don't treat them as normal. We don't really have examples of how to initiate these conversations in healthy ways. Even the word suicide itself feels so heavy.
The heavier society makes that feel, the more you think you're putting a burden on someone that you aren't.
Did you know suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the US?
Usually the only time suicide is brought up its for drama on some show.
Do you mind if I ask what it is you're expecting to change?
Talking to someone isn't necessarily about solving all your root problems but to just help yourself get out of your own head about it.
It's like an alcoholic going to their first AA meeting or someone with PTSD going to their first therapist session. That one conversation isn't going to change everything, but it might give you support and help you realize that other people are struggling with the same things and even some people have found successful ways of digging out.
What about that connects with you?
You've mentioned before you push these feelings down and wear a sort of mask in front of others instead of burdening them. Is it possible that by choosing to cut yourself off from others, you're preventing yourself from having real connections and so they end up feeling artificial and simulated?
I appreciate you. You seem like a good person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeezy_(brand)
So platforms (rightfully) remove this song, but are happy to let him have an account and make money off his other songs? If they actually cared, he would have been banned a long time ago…
His other songs like from years ago? Maybe those don’t belong to him and the platform does not remove those because that would punish a completely different entity that has nothing to do with what Kanye does now. All his songs prior to 2012 are owned by Def Jam (universal music subsidiary)
So Kanye doesn’t get a penny from his songs he made before 2012?
Man I am so hungry…
You alright bro?
His username? The “funny bit” I am trying to make? Hello? Nobody gets me…
Oh. I am error.
If they remove his other songs, his fans might gravitate to other platforms. This is why they don't remove his other songs.
Why should his other songs be removed?
If someone keeps making Nazi comments online, should they be banned or just the comments removed?
maybe they should be REMOVED
Assuming they don't own the platform?
He’s got another song on that album about showing a younger (?) cousin porn and having sucked his dick. That cousin is in prison for murdering someone. Now, children are curious and child perpetrated sexual abuse is a complicated and messy topic for professionals, but I don’t think you have to be a professional to say “yeah, probably not a good idea to release that.”
Whether he needs help or not I don't know but what I do know is that we need to stop giving this man any attention.
Oh, that Hitler...
So when is he going to get a conservatorship?
He’s clearly in need of others making decisions for him.
Part of the song is complaining about how he can’t access his bank account, so maybe there’s action there.
But we all know conservatorships are really for when your child who you relentlessly groomed as a sex object wants to start keeping her own money. (How much do you think Dan Schneider paid off the family to keep anyone from knowing who her sisters baby daddy was?)
his mom died, so no other conservator, kim already left him years ago.
He should just jump into the sea and start living with other gay fish
Um, you have to be a special sort of moron to be Black and a fan of Hitler...sure, those Nazis might be your bud for a little while, and maybe use your money and fame to fund their cause. Right up until the Night of the Long Knives 2.0.
I’ll fight Kanye for charity. Live on the internet.
Tell him punkrocksportsfan is not afraid to fight him. Why’s he afraid of punkrocksportsfan?
I’ll fight that dude. Don’t gotta get ready if you stay ready, right.
Name the time and place Mr Kanye West.
I would like to pre-purchase tickets for this event.
How do we goad Elon into joining in also?
Careful he might try to suck your dick.
A bj is a bj.
You know what they say about letting a Nazi suck your dick...
What do they say?
You did nazi that coming.
Feels sorta like kink shaming but I I guess I’ll pass on the bj to avoid Nazi contamination
Pretty sure that makes you a Nazi.
Oh fuck yeah man. You in his weight class?
No I’m a middle weight he’s a fatass. I don’t care I’ll fight him anyway.
What a load of fucking bullshit. They must think we are dumb.
OH no we can't find his music to delete it guess we'll just keep cashing in on the listens because it's viral right now then delete it in a week.
Fucking clowns
But let Disney copyright claim it and it wou vanish overnight.
I don't believe this bullshit
"Bears are so strong and smart, they are great" said the salmon.
But he's totally not a Nazi because he is black.
Doesn’t he self identify as a Nazi?
Did you know Auschwitz had a special luxury VIP section where all the richest Jews got treated really well and each one got a Nazi guard assigned to serve them? If you didn't know that it's probably because I just made it up.
Kanye's insane to think the people he's cosying up to won't turn on him in a second.
You started writing that reply before you finished reading my post, didn't you?
He is suffering so so many consequences man
Who are you to say he isn't deranged enough to sincerely believe it?
Clearly at least part of that is a lie. You're the one trying to defend the fuckwad by pretending his gibbering is just for attention and not sincere, despicable hate. I'm the one rebuking you for it. You got it entirely fucking backwards.
Where’s the /s?
While I believe he’s doing it for the attention it doesn’t mean he doesn’t believe what he’s saying.
Honest question: is Ye just mentally ill, or is Russia manipulating him?
Both? Just like the conspiracy theory crowd.
But also it's super easy to manipulate a mentally ill person. Just keep whispering in his ear that he's totally right and oh by the way he should be upset about this other thing too, and he will take the bait. Every. Time.
Very mentally ill gay fish.
Unless Dr Sergei took him off his meds, this is probably all his own doing.
Being rich clearly means you have no real friends, because any real friend would have sat him down long ago and stopped him doing whatever the fuck this is.
Mentally I'll with "any publicity is good publicity".
I can't remember the details but I remember some time back hearing a pretty compelling argument that he's actually just a Nazi. It happens, apparently far too much.
Russia is manipulating him.
Edit: I don't actually believe this; I just thought it would be hilarious to have two comments with opposing answers. Fuck Kanye
No, he's just a divorced dad
edit: wow this joke was not well-received. Half of this song is just straight up references to his divorce though, it's basically a manifesto of the divorced-dad to reactionary pipeline.
That man is very much not ok with his divorce.
There's a kernel of truth in the joke, divorced parents make up a serious section of the right-wing "SovCit" movements, it's a real entry to the right-wing pipelines.
I feel like Canada and Mexico are a few days away from being an old man that stands up from his rocking chair, grabs an old shotgun and goes "well. I guess it was comin'"
Who listens to this shitty artist anyways. I get the shock or discovery plays, but dude is straight trash anyways lol.
I could never stand him even at the peak of his popularity.
i couldn't name a single one, or recognize him or his songs from the audio alone. and i'm only cursed with knowing what the asshat even looks like because the attention whore gets the media attention he craves.
Same. I could probably fill a page of A4 with stuff I know about him because I got fed it by The Algorithm, and yet nowhere on that page would there be the name of one of his songs.
i WISH i didn’t like his stuff, but years ago (pre-Nazi shit by a long time) he used to be a really talented artist and he had a really major effect on rap as a genre. i don’t listen to his old stuff since the Nazi shit cuz he needs consequences fr, no matter how small, but it honestly sucks a lot cuz he has some really really great music. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is one of the GOAT albums imo, and as sad as it is to say about someone profoundly mentally ill i think it woulda been best for his career if he died around 2016 😭
You can just pirate it and he doesn't get any money, yet you get the music.
Every time it comes on i think that, but it’s usually in the car and i forget by the time it’s relevant lmao
Lol, Kanye has never been a talented artist. At least, not objectively. Plenty of people have thought he was trash since day one.
By that logic no person in the world is talented at anything lol. I don't disagree with the idea that people are allowed to hold the opinion Kanye has never been a good artist, but I'm not sure what point you're trying to go for.
What an ignorant thing to say, he's a fucked up person but he's one of the most talented musicians of our age. He singlehandedly ended gangster raps reign over the rap genre by dropping an album where he sang about his feelings in autotune. Honestly I don't know why im arguing with you, you're probably just gonna turn around and use some shit excuse like "its mumble rap" or something.
Nah, I respect your opinion and taste. That's the thing about art, you can love or hate it. You love it, and I hate it. Simple as that.
People have their own music tastes and that's okay
For example, you now have something other than Skrewdriver to listen to.
Meanwhile my social accounts get shut down within minutes of me posting PG beach photos that the algorithm claims are promoting sexual activity. I know I'm sexy, but tech platforms aren't facing challenges, this is intentional.
There was a trans woman who made an account on some social media account called "do I have boobs yet" and posted a topless pic every day after starting estrogen until her posts started getting taken down.
That AI isn't going to let you get away with posting beach photos with (I'm guessing) mild nudity or skimpy clothes that are perfectly acceptable attire.
No sir, how dare you!
Scantily-clad people? On my internet?
Such a preposterous proposition!
Damm just too hot 😔
You mean kanye west? After all a empty right wing ball sack like him doesn't like preferred names or pronouns.
I'll break it down for you:
He can't have his kids because he doesn't take his medicine, so he tries to get his kids back by becoming a Nazi. Background singers say N***** Heil Hitler for the chorus and then Hitler is saying shit in German at the end. It's pretty bad, has no logic, but does have rhyming words.
If you want to watch it to see how truly shitty it is, here is a nitter link from probably a sketch person. It's not giving traffic to them because it's nitter, not X: https://nitter.net/jakeshieldsajj/status/1920322039056838970#m
Edit: They're scrubbing the internet of this one, I can't even get it to show up on archive. https://archive.is/urjlq
Pass, thanks.
Kim had to put her foot down, and started fighting him on custody back in like March, when she found out from North that Ye was bringing the Tate brothers over to hang out with her. I think it was the first time I've ever sided with a Kardashian on anything!
You're right and I think I know way to much about that family right now. Putting his 11 year old daughter in a video with Diddy too. Source is questionable, but it's quoting other sources.
X has become such a shithole that they guy under it asks why someone would ever post a song from a black artist. And of course he doesn't say "black".
I'm wondering how long it took to round up enough backup people to chant heil hitler
The song doesn't really glorify Hitler. And the title "architect of the Holocaust" is usually attributed to Adolf Eichmann.
That being said, the song is antisemitic and tasteless. West appears to blame all his personal issues on the Jews, which is deeply pathetic.
"Nazi Song Big Hit On Nazi Platform"
I can only think about that Chapelle show skit.
When I think of Chapelle now, I think of the time he had Musk on stage and call his audience poor for booing Musk.
Also his stupid comedy special about how you can’t make shitty jokes about trans people, which demonstrated that you still can in fact make lots of stupid shitty jokes about trans people and be rewarded for it.
That too.
Btw, do you remember an article written by a queer Black person who critiqued the first special? I've been looking for it for a while because it was the most succulent I had found on the matter. One of their criticisms was that Chappelle said that trans was a white person problem.
Stop calling him Ye, it’s so cringe and stupid. His name is Kanye West and he’s a black white supremacist
Honest question: would this dude fall into an oppressed group that Nazis would target? Seriously. He is not White, German, blue eyed and blonde. Am I missing something other than a likely mental health problem that is causing this dude to write and record such music?
A lot of people during the nazi times supported or identified with Hitler or nazis who were directly a target of nazis. It's crazy how well hate sells.
It's a self-preservation attempt. It's the same reason bullies amass followers. Appeasing the powerful jerk usually works to prevent being targeted by them.
However, that would require the powerful jerk to actually value that sort of loyalty.
It's clear that neither Trump nor Musk feel any kind of obligation to those who've lifted them up. Like many bootlickers across the United States, Kanye over-values his own importance and expects others to view him the same - similar to how many immigrants voted for Trump, thinking that surely they were the exception to all his anti-immigrant rhetoric, all the while refusing to listen to those of us who said they'd be lumped in together regardless.
People's inability to share another person's perspective has absolutely shredded our social fabric.
Been trying to explain to people for years and years the GOP hate them due to their race and nothing will change that. They really don't get it.
He could become an Honorary Aryan under a "useful idiot" kind of deal, though really I think he'd probably be treated like the other African folks owing to the bipolar. He claims he was misdiagnosed bipolar, and instead has autism but in this hypothetical that wouldn't really help.
As a father with two autistic sons every time I see this irritates the shit out of me just like when the autism claims come out on Elon too. Autism doesn't entitle you to be an insufferable asshole regardless of what you may think. It's insulting to autistic people everywhere.
My boys are autistic and they know Nazis are evil and Hitler was wrong. They're not racist or sexist or incels or Nazis or bigots or whatever else you throw that is negative because being autistic does not prevent you from being a good person.
Fuck them and everyone who uses autism as a crutch. Seriously.
🏅
He has money to afford the best doctors in the world. If he has autism, he could get diagnosed.
And yes, he'd be rounded up on a train and shipped to a camp. How else are the Nazis gonna respond to a black man who proclaims themselves to be the greatest genius who ever lived?
I think this claim that he's being manipulated, while true, does elide some of the blame on Kanye. There have been plenty of people that have warned him what would happen if he continued down this path.
I do think it's worth pointing out that antisemitism is surprisingly high among African Americans. Which makes sense since they are disproportionately affected by institutional racism. Theories about globalist banking cabals neatly simplify the complex economic mechanisms by which they are oppressed. Of course, most black people don't then go around claiming that Hitler was right, because most black people are not blinded by mentail illness and hubris into thinking that they know better than the undeniable historical consensus of what happened in 1940s Europe.
Autistic or not it does not excuse being a Nazi or applauding Hitler. My boys are autistic and they don't love Hitler nor are they Nazis. Similarly bipolar is not an excuse to love Hitler and Nazis. People need to just accept he's an absolute piece of shit.
more like a token black guy.
So many people that hate having their faces eaten by leopards support that party anyway
Bro, what are you talking about "usually"?
Wow so that’s a thing now I guess
This might be nitpicking, but NBC should be more precise.
Adolf Hitler wanted and ordered the extermination of the Jews and other "undesirables", no doubt about that or his culpability. But the role of "architect", the person who designed the logistics for mass killing, is normally ascribed to other people. Adolf Eichmann, the guy the Mossad captured in Argentinia in 1960, is usually called the "Architect of the Holocaust". Sometimes together with Reinhard Heydrich and Heinrich Himmler.
"We're not Nazis! Elon and Laura Ingram didn't do the salute! Yo did you hear that ye song on TotallyNotNaziland X? So good!"
I don't think this violates Twitter's de facto policies though.
I'm curious how can this guy release a song titled "heil hitler" and still in the news?
Just in case people actually believed Elon's whining that he's total not a Nazi you guys, cut it out wah.
I read the title and thought it was the onion
he stopped taking his BP meds, after his mom died. Kim divorced him over his disorder.
Seemingly went nuts after his mom died.
It's not even a good song.
80% of it is him and a crowd of black guys (who may or may not have been AI generated or paid a tonne to get in on the white supremacist grift) chanting "N***a heil Hitler!" The other 20% comes across as some kind of incel or MRA manifesto, where he's whinging about being cancelled and denied access to his kids.
Kanye has well and truly lost the plot. He needs to be detained in a psych ward...
He's become the worst of humanity.
When did he rename himself Ye?
why do y'all give him so much attention?? Tf ignore him the fame already got to his head...
hope he will tour in germany soon
I think we should all download it, over and over, let's see if we can get their CDN costs up to a couple mil this month.
I'm puzzled how people are viewing songs.. is that like being so high you can feel the moon?
Hear hear. RFK? Clinically sick. Musk is likely clinically sick, or at least on too many drugs to brain right. That doesn't mean they should be "left alone." You don't leave alone until they're deplatformed and powerless. And in Musk's case, made into some strange fruit.
Source?
Don't use "clinically" if you're talking out of your ass.
You really love calling people subhuman, don'tcha?
The song clearly says he was misunderstood and the Heil Hitler is sarcastic. It's still cringe, sad and shows signs of mental illness but I don't see how it's "glorifying Hitler".
Well, 90% of people like Hitler anyway, so I doubt he will face any consequences.
The fuck?!
This "joke" didn't really land
It isn't a joke. I met a lot of people, who would actually like to reopen concentration camps (or it's just my local community).
Man, your local community needs to get reeducated.
It is false that 90% of the people you've met like Hitler.
Well, I'm exaggerating, but the number is rising.
It's not even a majority of people.