MAGA melts down over ‘WOKE MARXIST POPE’ who is a ‘Never Trumper liberal’
Laura Loomer lamented that the new pope ‘is anti-Trump, anti-MAGA, pro-open Borders, and a total Marxist like Pope Francis,’ adding that it’s ‘GROSS’ that he now leads the Catholic Church
It didn’t take long for right-wing media figures and MAGA provocateurs to cry out in rage over the election of Robert Prevost as Pope Leo XIV after it was revealed that he’d publicly criticized JD Vance and expressed sympathy for immigrants and George Floyd.
Despite feeling national pride over the fact that the Chicago-born Prevost has become the first American pope in history, conservative pundits and Trump loyalists fumed over the “WOKE MARXIST POPE” and complained that he is “worse than Francis,” referencing the previous pontiff known for his progressive values.
Even before the “dark horse” American cardinal was elected the 267th pope, former Trump chief strategist Steve Bannon warned about Prevost’s views, claiming that he would be a poor choice for the MAGA movement.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/maga-woke-american-pope-leo-xiv-b2747600.htmlOpen linkView original on lemmy.world
When you start calling every leader of the Catholic Church a Marxist, you've seriously lost the plot. The American right is ridiculous.
They should cut to the chase and call Jesus a Marxist.
Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. Luke 12:33
Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Mark 10:21
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ Matthew 25:34-40
Why would they? They already rewrote him to what they want: white, blond, freedom, and capitalism something or other.
Ah yes, supply side Jesus
https://www.beliefnet.com/news/2003/09/the-gospel-of-supply-side-jesus.aspx
I always see excuses from them like "that should be the role of charity" "that should be people's choice, not forced on them by the government" etc...
It's always sad/funny to me that they are ok with forcing the bad parts of their faith on us via the government, but reject the good parts that most non theists would support
https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706
Yeah, it was Ohio Catholics (and their momey) that put JD Vance in the running for VP in the first place. People are putting a lot of faith that this Cardinal wrote his own tweets. I wouldn't be opposed to an anti-Trump pope but to call him one is counting chickens before they hatch. Let's see what he does when Trump puts some pressure on him.
Dude that’s the only kind of Pope I can get behind.
I mean, this pope is still all about protecting priests who got behind small children.
Better you behind the Pope than...
By the time they’re Pope, they’re too old to be a choir boy.
Popes choose their own name. Pope Leo seems to have been a specific selection.
St. Leo the Great was a Roman Catholic Pope who reigned from 440 to 461. He is remembered for his strong defense of papal authority, his theological writings on Christ's humanity and divinity, and his role in meeting with Attila the Hun and the Vandals to prevent them from destroying Rome.
Did he specify already that he chose to name himself after St. Leo the Great? I'm probably out of the loop, I thought we were still guessing which one of the previous 13 popes Leos he's named after.
The only other noteworthy Pope Leos were X, who was a patron of the arts, and XIII, who was a large supporter of the working class. The latter is also a possible influence given what he had done during his missionary work in Peru.
Trump putting pressure on the pontifex maximus? I'm not a catholic but I'd say that might be somewhat difficult but certainly interesting. You are aware that the pope is head of his own state and doesn't give a fuck about American legislation or sanctions? The US can't even invade Vatican State without triggering article 5 of the NATO manifesto which might cause even more interesting political turbulences. Specifically with the more strictly catholic NATO members first of all, obviously, Italy.
Is Sweden a NATO country? Trump is demanding they do all kinds of dumb crap. Is Greenland a sovereign country? Trump says he hasn't ruled out military action to take it. Let's be real about one thing: the day after the pope died, Trump posted an AI picture of himself as pope. If this pope speaks out against him, Trump will fuck with him. That dementia riddled felon don't give a fuck. And when he does, I hope the pope holds his ground.
A pope could make a lot of ground pushing antiabortion and anticontraception and anti-lgbtq policy in exchange for support. It was Ohio Catholics that got Vance his VP seat. So hopefully Pope Leo isn't a "postliberal" catholic.
It was Peter theil who got Vance his seat, not Ohio catholics. Ohio isn't a swing state anymore
Peter Theil is a patron of many postliberal (fascist) Catholics, but he is not Vance's only Catholic patron.
Nonsense. You seem to think the USA is everywhere and you don't understand the difference between states and individuals. Trump has zero authority in Vatican state. The pope does not leave Vatican state and "go home" anywhere. Not ever, except for official visits. Trump can fuck wall outlets or squirrels but he has absolutely no viable way to screw with the pope - he can't even threat to sanction the Vatican as he did with Sweden and whoever else, because the do not export anything. He can't freeze his payments because he literally owns nothing. Right: the pope does not recieve a salary and does not have any personal belongings. He doesn't need to pay for anything (there are people in his entourage who will do that for him) he does not need to own something, the Vatican will provide anything the pope requires.
Hell, by the time you're a bishop the catholic church will put you in any allied country they feel like and if there's nowhere else to go the Vatican can house you for life. The pope is basically a citizen of catholicism.
Lol OK, I guess God will protect the Pope from Trump lmfaoooo
If I'd believe in god I'd hope he'd throw some brain at you.
Peter thiel was the true power behind JD
Opus Dei is
I mean they are the original globalists and Jesus was literally a communist so…. I don’t know, they might be right. The church just doesn’t like to telegraph it too much.
MAGA would crucify Jesus all over again
Crucify? Oh, no, no, no.
They would have him arrested and detained by plain-clothes ICE agents, held in a Texas concentration camp where he would be bundled with the "illegals," then shipped off to El Salvador to be starved and worked to death... Twice.
Jesus? That woke ass dude who believes in hand outs (feed the poor), pro-DEI (love thy neighbor), anti-capital punishment (preaches forgiveness)?
Don't forget brown.
What are you talking about? I have his picture on my mantle, he looks like Ewan McGregor wearing monk robes.
/s, obviously that's my Obi Wan shrine.
The true face of Jesus.
They would have set attack dogs on him in Palestine, bombed his extended family, then made Tik Tok videos mocking his death.
I think you mean actually follows the teachings of jesus. If you actually follow the teachings of the Bible you probably actually would be good with donald. You would be good with slavery. The Bible is a really f***** up thing
I would be surprised if there are more than a couple hundred people in the US who have ever actually read the bible.
Most people don't read the entire bible and churches try to avoid it by doing "bible study" where they cherry pick sections that sound good. They avoid the bits about god allowing owning slaves, god telling his people to kill everyone in the area but keep the virgin young girls as rape slaves, and all the other juicy bits in the bible.
It's a horrible book and the god character is a monster.
It’s clearly divided into an older section and a newer section, and the basic definition of Christian is the newer section defining empathy, caring, accepting of all the people. Sure there’s still some effed up stuff but what do you want from a 1500 year old book: the basic message of the new part is love
It’s more accurate to say these people are not Christian even if the use the name. They do not follow the teachings they proclaim, and have more in common with the Pharisees, the oppressors
The question isn't what do you want from an old book, it's what do you want from a book people are choosing to follow.
It isn't though.
Jesus was a failed apocalyptic preacher who basically said don't worry about your life right now because it will all end soon enough. He thought end times would be in his lifetime.
Yes, but the message of the new testament has very little to do with the historical figure of jesus and is build around the ideas of Jesus that devolved in the years after his death. For the later church I would agree: The main message is love.
Believe or burn forever isn't love.
That is a very protestant view of the afterlife. Some Christians share it, some don't.
Be kind to others or burn forever. At least thats how I would read this.
My favorite part is when Jesus had a "spirited debate" with capitalists selling stuff in the Temple.
It was a bit worse than selling stuff. The area they had set up was specifically for people to do community service and help the poor in the name of God.
Imagine predatory payday lenders showing up to a church charity event/potluck, not bringing food, acting like they were doing people favors with 50% interest loans, and expecting blessings.
So not much has changed really...
Amen!
You know things are bad if the Catholic church is a last bastion for progressive social change
They're a ratchet. Calling them progressive would be a straight lie but they do go with the times, maybe 100 years behind, picking up all stragglers that can reasonably be picked up.
In 50 years, mark my words, they will marry gay couples, or at least bless them before the congregation (without sacrament, or maybe they'll invent a new, same-but-different, sacrament). Why? Because the Vatican recently gave priests authorisation to bless gay couples in private: Blessing the relationship, not just the individuals. Click.
Its weird to me that the same church that would allow flexibility to bless a gay relationship is also the same church that is inflexible regarding the confessional seal in cases of literal child abuse.
That is pretty fascinating though if true, considering that it would be completely upending the view of homosexuality as a sin. Im sure a priest cant bless something considered to be a sin, that would be antithetical
Lifting the seal won't help a thing, on the contrary it might make things worse because then paedophiles aren't going to confess, any more, and priests can't tell them that god wants them to go to the police.
It's akin to requiring therapists to tip off the police when you confess that you consume illicit drugs: All you're doing is stopping people from talking about it in the first place.
Are there therapists who are drug dealers and abuse that confidentiality for their own business interest? I'm reasonably sure. I mean there are a gazillion of therapists in the world, there has to be at least a couple of drug dealers among them. But that's no excuse to make it worse for everyone else.
People like teachers and of course child care workers should be reporters regarding this kind of stuff, but on the flipside the reports should go to a place where the victim then can find confidentiality. And maybe that's even what at least some priests are doing (afterwards confessing that they broke the seal), important bit being that the perpetrator can't know that the tip came from confession, and the official doctrine, "confession doesn't leak", is still intact.
On the one hand I definitely understand your argument, and its one Ive basically accepted as reasonable my entire life including when I was practicing Catholicism a long time ago as a kid.
However, in thinking about what you wrote I do question if there isnt a logical consistency in the idea that if there was no confessional seal that people who do the most heinous things would not repent.
I suppose its plausible that a child abuser wouldnt go to confess that if they knew the priest had to pass that information along, however I think the logical inconsistency is that they would then be at risk of dying without having confessed such a grave sin. Which hypothetically if they were a true believer of what the church teaches would be worse than any earthly punishment imaginable.
Now, if they simply didnt confess it to avoid prosecution then one might argue that they dont actually hold sincere beliefs and that the same person was simply using religion as a means to access and abuse kids. If they dont hold sincere beliefs then legally speaking they receive no protection under the law
The other thing is that is must be psychologically tormenting to some degree for priests to know other people are heinous criminals and being powerless to stop them other than saying “turn yourself in”.
I dont want priests to turn into some kind of reporters of all things to the authorities, but child abuse is among the most gravely disgusting things a person can do, universally, and given the problem of abusers in the church I think it would be great if priests were authorized to report it. Among the other most heinous of crimes like murder and rape and whatnot. Not “I cheated on my taxes” but shit that evidences a clearly dangerous person to others. We should be putting the rights of children and adults to be safe from that shit above the religious “right” of some random person to not be tattled on when they literally did something so awful.
Really if anything I imagine that the church making a big show of cleansing itself of pedophiles would actually be one of the few things that could bring a lot of people into the church. But I have no skin in that game, I just want to see pedophiles get their due comeuppance
If they believe to that kind of extent then they'd just turn themselves in, no priest necessary. Confession is something trained into people culturally, habituated from a young age, on the level of individual behaviour it doesn't really have anything to do with Catholicism in particular, or theological doctrines, it just so happens that Catholicism is a culture which does that kind of training. So we're not relying on paedophiles being faithful, but having a habit of spilling stuff every so often.
Lutherans, too, know confession but it's not much of a cultural practice. I'm pretty sure there's cultures that do practice regular confession but aren't Catholic or even consider it part of a religious context, though granted the best I can come up with on the top of my head is sweat lodges which are not about confessing your wrongdoings, but giving thanks. Oh, Marxism-Leninism but there it functions as a humiliation ritual. It kind of shows how the whole thing becomes toxic AF when it's public^1^.
They're supposed to have support networks for that, just as therapists etc. have.
I can't give a solution here. There simply is none, there's no avenue that would stop this kind of thing, at least not by tinkering with confessions. And either way the impact of a change would be marginal. Other practices such as backing up your kids when auntie wants to slobber them but they don't want to be slobbered, teaching kids early on that they have a right to bodily autonomy, are way more impactful.
^1^ Inb4 tankies come in here saying "ML isn't a religion": Yes it is, it's speedballs for the masses. Get bent.
And it should be noted that behind the confessional seal a respected figure, speaking with the authority of religion tells these people to stop. Catholics don't throw forgiveness around willy nilly, it's called penance for a reason, they demand change. Does it happen? Usually not. But there is social value in confession of faults and sins and being told that one can and is expected to do better
Nono you don't get it that is how it always was. Something along the lines of "chem sex parties associated with so-called gay culture are a sin", who said anything about actually loving relationships? Going back through all the official proclamations you probably won't find anything that contradicts the new stance: They have a habit of writing in grand generalities that can be readily re-interpreted. The church doesn't change it just forgets that it was different, that's the only way a ratchet can even work on the conservative side. And yes they'll never condone chem sex parties.
Didn't they kind of trend this way a bit after Vatican II?
....electric buggaloo?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vatican_Council
A Canticle For Leibowitz is not an instruction manual.
I’d even argue Catholicism has been on a steady progressive trend for half a century. From Vatican 2 to lay ministers to restructuring churches to improve openness to pope Francis now pope Leo. They’re disproving the idea that the Overton window always shifts right. For the church, the “new normal” has been shifting left
Of course if this is the church after 50 years of progressive progress, it’s hard to imaging how conservative it must have been before
MAGA hating the new pope is the biggest compliment he could possibly get
Yep I'd be crying with joy if I were him
They follow supply side Jesus, the prosperity gospel, and gravitate towards passages that they can use as a cudgel on people who are ew gross yucky to them.
It isn't even supply side Jesus anymore, they are more and more brazen that trump is their god.
This is the truth. Trump is their prophet. Why else does anyone think he posted a meme of himself as the Pope. They know they've created an unbreakable cult and there's nothing that can be done to shatter the indoctrination his zealots are thoroughly infected with.
Sounds like herecy to me. Oh, wait they're protestants - they actually are heretics. Religion is a funny thing to watch from the ouitside.
Seriously, what parts of the Bible do they quote to support their racism, selfishness, greed? How can they be so detached from what they claim to be their religion that they treat the 7 deadly sins as virtues?
All of the values they enjoy following are - in their eyes - only for white Caucasian people of European descent .... the bad parts where you get to punish, threaten, hit, strike, wound, maim or kill applies to everyone else who isn't white, straight and male
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28
Christians need to step up their game and actually follow the teachings of Christ.
The best part is that in the eternal afterlife in heaven ... you never have to worry about your health, your wealth, shelter or hunger ... an absolute Communist Hellscape.
They only care about the parts of the bible that they can use to justify their cruelty to others.
Most of the new testament is for suckers and losers in these peoples' opinion. They are all about the vindictive, crazy shit in the old testament, and a few rare things from the new testament. like Paul's letters.
Of course they didn't. They only use the bible as a prop or to justify their hatred for gay people. None of them ever thought about actually reading the thing.
Kinda funny how perfectly they're described by the phrase "wolves in sheep's clothing", knowing its origin and context.
they only look at parts of the old testmanets, and whatever is distilled by thier televangist.
Someone that does this to herself calling anything else "gross"... 😂 🤣
is that the same person?!
I think the one on the right is from some The Purge sequel.
/s
Asked rhetorically or not... Indeed it is... Many such comparison examples abound. 🙄 🤡
I searched around for this and the one on the right was described in a few places as "heavily photoshopped". She may look a bit odd after all the plastic surgery, but as far as I could see she doesn't usually look quite this odd.
I don't know about photoshopped. I would imagine that there's a lot of heavy (and misguided) makeup going on, and I don't think the lighting is doing her any favors, but she legitimately looks significantly different from her pre-surgery appearance.
Sycophant of Theseus
The scary thing is that she is only 31 years old, but she now has the face of a 60 year old who's desperately trying to look 45.
I don't know who her surgeon was, but she should sue.
Beauty comes from the inside.
In her case, that's even worse.
Kimberly Guilfoyle also looked attractive before. It's something with those people that think this is an attractive look.
Wow I didn't know she looked human at one point.
Welp, that right-hand photo just introduced me to my new sleep paralysis demon.
Halloween mask time!
The consequences of leaving the car window open for a buff and shine.
Did she show up at the plastic surgeon's office with a picture of the doll from saw and say "this is what I want"?
Jeff the killer lookin ass
The best takes on religion come from Laura Lucifer, everyone knows.
MAGA would melt down no matter who they picked because everything maga is doing right now is the opposite of what Jesus would do, and whoever is the pope is going to criticize maga for being terrible humans.
Pope 1: MAGA Bad!
Pope 2: MAGA Bad!
Highly Religious MAGA: Pope Bad!
Gotta love it.
They would probably be alright if they had picked Trump as pope.
Thinking a second about this, he literally pwned MAGA
The entire conservative line of thought is backed by Christianity and American exceptionalism, and now there comes an American pope and tells "You're not following the God's word". That's a damn checkmate.
Wonder how many MAGA supporters, many of which are devout Christians, will start questioning their beliefs.
Also, lol, a Marxist Pope is top comedy.
They won't question their Christian beliefs for a single second because they didn't have any in the first place. They'll turn their backs and say "The Pope went woke," still call themselves godly Christians, and continue to spread hate. During that whole time they will never question whether or not they're Christian, they'll just hate the Pope too.
Yeah, exactly this. It can be confusing because they call themselves Christians, loudly and frequently - but their attitudes and beliefs have sweet fuck all to do with the teachings of Christ.
It's kinda like the way they use 'Marxist' for anyone left of Mussolini. I'm not sure if it's a deliberate attempt to shift definitions, or if they don't understand what the words actually mean. Wankers.
It's both, for different segments of the party. The GOP has always been comprised of the unwashed masses and the conmen manipulating them.
Yeah I mean, it's not like Catholicism is the only flavor of Christianity.
The whole reason the USA even exists today is because a bunch of shitty religious people got ousted from England.
I know a lot of people still view the Pope as the head of Christianity but there are many Christians who would not see it that way. Many who would dismiss the Pope with a wave of the hand and not a care in the world.
The evangelical right wing Christian movement in America certainly does not give a fuck about the Pope based on what I've seen.
They don't, but the neofascist movement loves the aesthetic of catholicism. Its why Vance converted. In fact I'd say that pointing to Vance and Biden as the two sides of modern American catholicism is a reasonable framing (we're gonna ignore the catholic workers because though their deeds are great, their numbers are few).
That is the actual win, the legitimate aesthetic they seek has denied them. It's absolutely a similarity Trump's administration has with the Nazis. They both never think about what the church actually is, they both just like the authority the Holy Sea has and the ceremony of it all. It's great to watch an American Pope hold his ground. I wonder how long until Trump starts publicly ranting about him. I give it until this weekend.
Much of the American Christian establishment is the type of Protestant that does not consider Catholics to be Christian.
I know that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense but that's how Americans "do religion".
Baptists don't care what the Pope has to say, seventh-day Adventists think he is actually the Antichrist. Most American Catholics don't really care what the Vatican has to say and would resent the implication that they're supposed to give a shit about the Pope's opinion.
Americans just don't do religion very well.
It amazes me that Catholics will ride along with that bandwagon. Like when they get that Christian Nation they want, when freedom of religion is ditched in favour of state endorsed religion, and all that remains is to decide whether it's going to be a Protestant Nation or a Catholic Nation, do they actually think it's going to go their way?
They haven't thought that far ahead.
all Protestant religions do not accept the pope as leader, that’s the basic definition. They all broke off from Catholicism by disagreeing with something but usually it boiled down to not following the pope. Whether it was a king who wanted to divorce and remarry at will or a king who wanted to control his country or an alternate pope.
Christianity the religion and Christianity the political platform are different things. The con requires you to believe they are the same thing.
I didn't realize Catholics comprise less than Protestants. Still, 22% of Americans identifying as Roman Catholics is a big deal.
They don't. Almost half of all Christians are Catholic.
I love how they lost their shit about an American speaking Italian, in Italy, to a shit load of Italians.
The American nationalism has truly rotted their brains.
he should speak latin to really make thier minds explode.
It's bad enough half of his speech at the Conclave was in Spanish. You know from that he's insufficiently AMERICAN. And his dual citizenship with Peru & USA makes him doubly suspect.
The natural state of the MAGAT, is a smelly shart.
They are professional victims, even when they have control over all three branches of government.
According to headlines everyone melts down.
If they don't get slammed.
and the summer heat didn't even arrive yet! what will they do, will they evaporate a few months later?
Woke Marxist Pope? Well shit, I just might start going to church again
Same here lol
I knew it-- just KNEW IT-- the moment we learned the new Pope was American, I knew the MAGAt moron brigade would immediately be expecting the guy to be some gob-slobbering jackass racist like them, expecting him to start licking drumpf's toes.
The fact the Pope isn't going to be ordered around by King Damp Pants is going to be a talking point for Faux "news" Entertainment for a while lol
I was expecting it, too. I thought the AI picture of Trump as pope meant he had pulled strings to get an American, and was planning on combining that with his Deus Vult - tattooed secretary of defense to start a literal Crusade.
Whaaaaat? This isn't what Jesus would have wanted!
Greed 4:19 "You get your own fish and loaves. I paid for this. I can throw it on the floor if I want. Suck it up libtards!"
That's my favorite Bible story.
The bible says libtards?
The New King Trump I edition will.
Maybe the church knows better than to have a concordat with the nazis this time.
Maybe.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. There are still a large number of unpunished child raping fuckers under their protection.
Yes, but that doesn't have much bearing on whether they have another concordat with nazis or not.
Imagine being more conservative than the Catholic Church.
Totallyyy not a cult.
/s
He should excommunicate them all.
Pretty sure none of them are Catholic, which makes it even weirder that they care about the Pope at all.
JD Vance converted to Catholicism 5 or 6 years ago, apparently.
5-6 years conversion and then killing the pope using his cringe. What a run!
Maybe keep him away from this one? Throw him a nice leather couch to distract him.
Fun fact killing the pope is an instant excommunication. It can be argued that Vance DID kill the pope or speed up his death by demanding that Frank leave the hospital to meet with him, ergo Vance needs to be excommunicated.
'cause protestantism is a weak-ass religion. Catholicism is where the real money and power is
Very good! I see this as confirmation that they elected the right man for the job 😊
That's probably one of the most positive things written about the new pope.
From what I have read so far, he's the "middle of the road" candidate, your average, run-of-the-mill, Catholic bishop:
A little anti-LGBT, just a bit of a pedophile protector and apologist, default-sexist ... but not hard-line enough to make any of it his entire personality.
Yeah he's a conservative. But that's not enough for Republicans anymore, you need to be a full blown fascist or you're not acceptable.
Whatever is a "poor choice" for the MAGA movement is a great choice in my book. Even if it's about a religious figure.
He completely ignored sexual assaults.
Sounds like the Catholic Church, alright. But I'm pretty sure the MAGA crowd doesn't give a shit about that.
losing it at the fact that most evangelical Christian assholes are shocked when the Catholic Pope has different views
shouldnt evangelical have thier own "megapastor"
Imagine having to be the staffer to explain to Trump that the “first ever” American pope that he’s hoping will somehow sign on to his sacrilegious Anti-Christ bullshit is actually going to be the ultimate nightmare for him to deal with.
Pope Francis on steroids. Pope Leo XIV has a record of being pro-workers’ rights. He was the exact right pick for pope to stem the rising fascist tide that’s trying to co-opt religion.
Is he? Every article I've seen about him is about how he dislikes the queer community and "alternative lifestyles". Dude seems like a con
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/08/nyregion/pope-leo-xiv-lgbtq-gay.html
It looks like there were some negative comments in 2012 and basically nothing since. I hope Leo XIV continues Francis’s strides toward acceptance.
Leo XIV has been solidly pro-workers rights, anti-racism, critical of the Trump administration, and, perhaps most importantly, very supportive of immigrant rights. He is solidly progressive on the vast majority of issues.
We all know that the growing fascist movement will eventually target trans people and gay people for jailing and rendition without due process, but the people they’re actively doing that to right now are immigrants. Having a pope who is a strong ally for immigrant rights is a very good thing.
If this nightmare continues to play out the way the MAGA Nazis want it to, I don’t think a pope who actually cares about human beings and their basic rights would turn a blind eye to abuses to the LGBT community. Let’s all hope for the sake of everyone that it doesn’t come to that.
They are actively targeting trans people right now.
Immigrants are being loaded into planes and sent to gulags in El Salvador with zero due process even after courts order they be brought back. I’m not saying trans people aren’t being targeted, but I’m not aware of it happening at that level or something similar. If they are, please educate me.
Targeting immigrant rights are how they’re testing taking away everyone’s rights. Eventually, it will be anyone who disagrees with them. That’s how fascist takeovers work.
MAGA meltdown? No way. They melt harder than a slice of cheese on a patty
molten fake american cheese.
These people would've literally crucified Jesus
Literally yes. The Pharisees of Jesus' time were the conservative religious hardliners of Israel, having drifted significantly from their original theology because of political expediency, pushing their version of morality under the threat of harm; and Jesus represented a challenge to their power.
So more than just "would've," they (well, their first century predecessors) did.
I’ve posted this before but they don’t get to say “not my pope” they don’t get a vote. That’s the reality of faith based leaderships.
I was sooooooo fed up with MAGA Catholics telling me if I wasn’t down with the Opus Dei right wing bullshit during JP2 then I wasn’t really Catholic.
It has been much nicer since we have had Popes focused on creating a better world rather than capitulating to the demands of Eastern Orthodoxy.
GOOD! that means he was the right choice...
I’m ever so closer to crossing Trump suggesting the US goes to war with the Vatican City off my 2025 bingo card…
I wonder how switzerland would react.
I'm adding that to mine now don't tell anyone
Well first he'll suggest it become the next US state
This response just tells me it is the correct pope for the job
Your comment shows how strong the propaganda and PR is that they put out an article like this and suddenly you’re liking a guy who enabled pedophiles and stone walls police investigating child sex abuse. He’s garbage
My dude, just because the Catholic Church won't stop being the Catholic Church doesn't make a progressive pope a bad idea.
A man who protects pedos and opposes Justice isn’t progressive
I'm not catholic anymore but I'm getting real sick of people who converted because they like the vibes the religion had in the fucking 1500s.
I hope the Swiss Guard are on their toes. I guarantee there are crazy fascists only too willing to try their hand at assassination.
Hmm, someone call maga a waaaaahmbulance, it's nappy time.
Oh snap! I can blame the Catholics for all this?
Catholics, Israelis, and Palestinian immigrants! Gen Z! Undereducated white men. It's a grab bag of blame.
YOU get a blame, and YOU get a blame... EVERYONE gets a blame!
b-b-b-but! That wacko right-wing twitter influencer said it was the Papists!
Everyone is awful.
The people who voted for him.
The people who didn’t vote for him.
The people who didn’t vote at all.
Everyone is awful.
Sounds like the next Lego Movie theme song.
Everyone is awful
Everyone is cruel and they’re all really mean
Everyone is awful
And I want to scream
You think thats bad? You should read what their so called messiahs policies were.
You got a link? Things that upsets these sad acts is like porn to me.
I would use like a king james link if sending a link to religious folks but my prefered bible is the good ole sab. Mathew 5 starts the sermon on the mount which is a good place to start. https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/5.html
It is surprisingly difficult to find a link to just the four Gospels from the Bible and not articles like "The four Gospels Explained"
Wtf I love the pope now!
They're making him sound way cooler than he actually is
I imagine he’s still against birth control, gay marriage, women priests, etc. He’s pretty conservative.
That said, he’s for not treating others like total shit, even people you don’t know. Also he spoke in Italian, instead of English, while giving his first speech in Italy to a crowd dominated by Italians. So MAGA hates him.
Thank you, Jesus.
No prob dawg
Of course Laura Loonie is against anything that is good in the world.
New Pope Robert Francis Prevost, the Pedophile Protector!
Yeah, great choice....
https://www.snapnetwork.org/cardinal_prevost_never_investigated_abuse_claims_alleged_victims_say
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/whats-going-on-in-cardinal-prevosts
You'd have thought that would win him some points with MAGA
He'll fit right into the roster.
Fuck the motherfucking pope. And if you're more offended by that than by the scumbag popes that cover for kiddy-fuckers, then fuck you too.
NSFW: https://youtu.be/fHRDfut2Vx0
Thank god for Tim Minchin.
I didn't care about who the new pope was but he's getting more sympathetic by the minute.
Are we talking about the one that died or his new replacement?
Edit: its about the new Pope (Pope Leo) not the old pope (pope Francis). Apparently the dead progressive pope was replaced with another progressive pope. Cool
Old pope appointed the bishops who appointed new pope so liberal was pretty much guaranteed. The American thing was a surprise.
The last one was American too tho
Wasn't he Argentinian?
Yes.
So then he was SOUTH American.
And the new one is NORTH American.
People using "American" to refer to anyone from the western continent (from a euro centric perspective) is conventional in some parts or the world. It's not the convention in Canada, we bristle at the thought of being labeled Americans.
Yes.
Yes, but not US of American.
Well, Francis had as many good takes as bad takes. Some people described him as "strategically trying to piss off as many people as possible."
Example?
He wanted Ukraine to surrender and back in 2015 and 2016 made a few statements about how he didn't think children should be taught gender ideologies or procedures and that there were strong immutable differences between men and women.
I strongly disagree with him.
This Election was RIGGED! GOD chose TRUMP! The VATICAN is WOKE! This does NOT Represent Us!
-People who want the Bible to Be the Rule Of The Land!
Protestants hate the pope. And Catholics. Most of the religious right are Protestants.
The pope doesn't like evil? Huh, imagine that.
Shitty Republican Christians are upset at a Christian who actually attempts to live by the teachings of Christ.
Go figure.
MAGA? Learn?
Contradictory? Not at all. Radical just means opposed to the status quo, "leftist" is pretty broad but is generally used to mean "left of the DNC" by politically engaged people and "left of Ronald Reagan" by MAGA. Marxism is a specific foundational political philosophy that identifies and idealizes a communist society.
Just because the monkeys on typewriters don't know the definitions doesn't mean the words don't go together.
Well that's just wildly misunderstanding political definitions, can't help you much there bud. (You probably think of all communism as Stalinist Authoritarian Tankie Communism with a paranoid autocrat but there's a whole spectrum in the anarchy/libertarian direction that really puts the "community" in "communism")
Stop giving that vile homunculus attention.
The problem is that such homunculi are Trump whisperers.
This is PR to try and make the new pope attractive to young and leftist people. He’s nothing new or progressive, he’s a pedo enabler who told his priests to reject the law and avoid speaking to police investigating his clergy’s child abuses. He’s garbage, just like the rest of them
It's funny how if I get in a minor collision or if I get my house inspected everyone's quick to "It's totally gone, have to start over, here's a cheque". If we can all see that an aging corporation is rotten to the core the money just pours in.
That's part for the course for the Catholics. For them their dogma is over the law. You gotta take what you can from these guys.
A pedo enabler who happens to advocate for the poor is still not good, but also not as bad as a fascist-enabler, pro-rich, pedo enabler.
You know you suck ass when the much-hated Roman Catholic church dunks on you.
Dunk hospital, welcome to the Dunk Ward, I'm your Dunk Nurse today, what brings you in today?
You got dunked on by WHO?!
Judging by all the stupidity from this administration, Trump is going to ask the pope to step down. Or try to fire him. Or ask Russia to assisinate him.
Time to Tariff™️ the Vatican!
You're only an American If __________________
Funny thing is he's the first American pope.
You'd think that counts for something and they would be yelling "USA! USA! USA!". But nah, a pope espousing some actual Christian values is terrible according to them.
Also he’s a woke elitist libtard: how dare he know multiple languages well enough to give a speech in them
You live on one of the two continents called America
This article basically just gives a platform to right wing nutjons and their conspiracy theories
Why isn't there a single quote from Pope Leo XIV?
Not a huge fan of the Catholic Church, but hardly a surprise, amerikkka's not exactly known for being very friendly towards Catholics anyways.
The Catholic Church may be corrupt and reactionary and have friendships with fascists in its past, but right now it's less extreme and less fascist than MAGA.
Ain't that something
The church has friendship with every nation that will have them. I believe that they are spineless cowards but I get that from their point of view this allows them to be able to help their people inside the country and continue to have influence and continuity after the fascist government fails.
The church has learned to put its own existence over everything else. An instinct that has clearly paid off, however spineless it may be.
Are you calling Lara Loomer a liar?
Yeah, but the new Pope may be to the left of Mussolini, so MAGA doesn't like him.
i doubt these inbreds even know who marxist is, or read of his writings.
Basic human empathy = marxist
"who marxist is"
Is it safe to assume you meant: The author of Das Kapital, and The Communist Manifest, Karl Marx is?
As I told my mother and father yesterday, I firmly believe that under the Trump regime that if for any reason this new Pope comes to America that he'll either be captured and tortured before being killed or just straight up killed for being a traitor.
We got a pope, they got a cope.
It's stupid and meaningless, but hooo boy it gave me a whole 0.2 seconds of dopamine saying that.
Conservatives also hate that God's a woke liberal, too.
Are they actually saying "Marxist" now? That's new.
They’ve been saying that for years.
he’s homophobic and a pedophile enabler so they’ll come to like him soon enough
He's not homophobic enough for them, and if he didn't rape a child himself he's got nothing on Trump.
As an atheist I don't really have a horse in that race but I can't help remarking that these "christian" Americans sound a lot like the bad kind of satanists to me. Usually I am finding satanists quite amusing as they tend to piss off the orther zealots, but these guys are just disgusting. The worst about them is that they might actually believe the shit they are talking.
Lol, the pope that literally just died was from Argentina, you dumbass
I don’t understand the point you’re making. The new pope is the first American pope.
No, he's not. The last Pope was American too
He wasn’t American in the sense that it was used. Stop being so willfully obtuse. “American” is the primary demonym for people from the United States in addition to meaning people from the Americas.
When people shout “Death to America”, they aren’t talking about Argentinians and we all know it.
Because for you "American" = USA and for the person you replied to "American" = "American continent", which, of course, makes sense for any non-murican.
But “American” is the primary demonym for a person from the United States. I means both in varying contexts, and you’re being disingenuous, I assume, if claiming you didn’t know that was the intended use here.
US Americans are Americans. Argentinians are also Americans
Doubt it. If so he could clearly figure it out from context. He was being pedantic and argumentative
I started off looking at charts of the breakdown of how the major dominations voted, and ended up finding a chart showing how wide a spectrum of "Christianity" has/has had.
Do maga consider themselves catholic?
No. Catholics are often more left leaning. The with and Midwest are predominantly Protestants - they hate Catholics
JD Vance does.
In many parts of the country, the word "Christians" is so associated with Protestantism, it doesn't even include Catholics. "Are you Christian or are you Catholic?" is actually something you might hear in many parts of the South and Midwest.
New church when
Lmfao this is fucking hilarious
As a liberal leftist or whatever they would call me... Yeah f** the pope and the church. Let's join together unified against a common evil.
You'd join hands with fascists against a pope put in place to oppose it?
Id work together with fellow humans to take down the world's biggest evil. See Stephen fry vs the church. I'm actually shocked people defend the pope and church, wild times.
There's a word for that. It's called collaboration.
I don't care what you want to do, working with fascists is the stupidest way to do it.
Part of the root of that fascism is the church.... So cutting out religion would in turn help dismantle the core of the issue. So you mean to tell me you wouldn't do that at any cost? stupid you say?
having them help us do it would be the cherry on top if you ask me.
Yes. Literally brain dead.
When you collaborate with fascists, it always goes one way. They use you, then they turn on you. Every single time.
They must always be the victims. There must always be new enemies. If you join hands with fascists, you're just empowering them and volunteering yourself as the next enemy
What do you think this would even look like? They like the trappings of Christianity. They're not going to give up religion. They're just going to pick or create a more convenient hate-filled flavor and try to make it the national religion
One day you'll be able to out think them.
So I guess the media is too lame to say crash out like the kids these days, so they're overusing "melt down" instead these days.
Gonna turn it into SLAMMED and devalue the word.