McDonald's suffers worst U.S. sales decline since 2020, warns of 'anti-American sentiment' abroad
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As an American, if i could buy not American right now, I would. Fuck this government.
You should check out ![email protected] to buy from companies that do not make political contributions.
OMG, this is fantastic! Thank you
As another American rock the fuck on Canadians. I’ve been trying to buy more to help even out that trade balance but my state already does 3:1 imports but gotta pump those numbers up.
Also you got any Canadian crack maple syrup recommendations perchance. Cause I’m getting low and need my pancake fix, maple butter too cause if I’m going for a heart attack I go for gold.
Our syrup ain't just crack! It's fentanyl!
Im not hearing names, hook me up fam I neeeeeeed my maple syrup fix. The Maine syrup is good but I feel like you Canadians hoard the good shit.
Thank you for this
Change your tax withholding this year. Just put the extra money in a Canadian bond and wait for them to raise a stink
Whatever the version of an RRSP is in the states, usually you can change your investment strategy in it even if it doesn't hold individual securities. Most would have an international investments strategy that keeps your money out of the USA.
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Sometimes I can. When I have the option to get a European product from one of our local grocery stores — and there are some! I much prefer the imports. I feel like they’re safer these days.
If you hate this government, you should check out every single government before this.
McDonald's forgot their place as a cheap fast food burger. It's almost as expensive as places like Five Guys now, and nowhere near the same level of either flavor or sheer quantity.
It used to be that their app promos made up the difference but now it's the same like 4 so coupons for specific items and a generic 15% off that really only covers taxes, not the 50%+ increase in prices in the last 2 years. It's just not worth it anymore.
Even ignoring the international portion, I wouldn't be surprised if Americans started to notice as well.
"If you're not making a 33% profit, what are you doing it for?" - a quote from the Netherland's McDonald's chain owner. He also owns a bright red farari when visiting the drive through. He is a massive leech. Glad to not be working there anymore. The food quality is crap and overpriced.
You're way better off eating Taco Mundo. Much better ingredients for the same prices. Even a frozen pizza from ristorante is way better than what Mac has to offer. Or Burger Me who actually rewards loyal customers with free burger coupons rather than McD's sales app. I genuinely do not understand why people still go there. You can make your own burger with better quality and price at home...
Yeah, for reference, here are all of the deals currently available for me in the McD's app...
And that's it. Meanwhile...
A Quarter Pounder with Cheese or Big Mac is $7.29, for the sandwich alone. The meals are $13.39 and $13.19 respectively. Why is there a difference? The sandwiches cost the same independently and the fries and drink are the same for the meal.
Or let's get into the grift now... they're ripping you off with some of the meals. A regular basic Cheeseburger is $2.69, and the meal is $10.39. so they're saying the "discounted" meal bundle price to add a regular drink and fries is $7.70. So they're saying the fries and a soda are worth nearly 3x as much as the cheeseburger, which is already ridiculous. But let's ignore that and look at the cost closer... a regular medium fries is $4.99 and a regular medium soda is $1.39 which comes to $6.38... so they're actually ripping you off for an additional $1.32 if you get the meal versus the items separately. So you're paying an additional 10% by getting the meal... Isn't that what the discount should be?
The price of a mcflurry is €4,80. You can buy a magnum scoop ice cream (€5) with twice the volume and greater quality. Also, we have a shitty discount play. So rn, you can buy 2 for the price of 1. So that's way better than a half-melted mcflurry with barely any chocolate chunks in it.
Magnum pint ice cream is the best I've tasted short of some artisanal products. Better than Ben and Jerry or any other mass market.
Just looked it up and it belongs to Unilever, UK based multinational, so quite okay.
Unilever owns Ben and Jerry’s too
Good to know! My second favorite, but quite expensive (7 Euro a pint).
Nothing says "I'm a greedy whiny bitch" like complaining about a 3.6% dip in profits.
I expect it's actually a political piece attempting to further the rhetoric that America is up in flames. And likely so they should.
But also, McDonald's prices are outrageous now. I can feed my family at a sit in restaurant for a similar price.
Fast food and major chains have gotten absurd. I used a gift card at Red Robin. It was $19 before tip for a dry burger and bland fries. Two bucks more could’ve gotten me a gourmet meal at a five-star place just down the street. The value just isn’t there anymore. Eating local almost always tastes better, feels better, and costs the same or less. Why settle for mediocrity when better is right around the corner?
What kind of stars are you talking about?
This is what I pictured
I can go to Chilis and get a REAL cheeseburger, fries, and a drink, for $10.99. If I'm in their free club, I get a free chips & salsa on every visit, too. If I leave a $2 tip (18%), it's only $12.99, which is about same as a standard burger/fries/drink combo at McDonald's.
Also, McDonald's burgers are among the worst in the business, with nearly every other burger place beating them easily. We now have Culvers entering our market, and their burgers and fries blow away everyone else. They have really wide menu, and are actually cheaper than everyone else.
McD is also losing out go the quickly rising chicken tender trend, where their nuggests also compare poorly.
Their best thing is breakfast, where they are still the leader, but they are getting expensive there, too.
They've opend up a couple of new outlets near me, and they are obviously getting ready to go robotic. The dining areas are empty, with no drink stations, condiments, or even dispensers for straws or napkins. There is a wall that blocks the view of the kitchen area, so you can't see who, or how many people are back there. It could be completely automated right now, and you'd never know it.
Yep and get waaaayyyyy better quality food
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Yeah 100% propaganda. Just read the headline. They want anti-genocide protestors in concentration camps.
And all these shit companies directly supported Trump because they loved his "lower taxes hur dur" etc approach.. now suffer!
I know it's cool to just hate on capitalists for everything on Lemmy but like yeah it's completely normal to complain about a decrease in profits. That's like if you complained about a 3.6% decrease in take home pay, which ai suspect anyone would.
Don't compare the income of the rich and the poor. We use our take home pay to buy groceries. They use their take home profits to buy our country out from under us, to buy our land and our companies, to buy our politicians, to buy our time. We are not the same.
yes, 3.6% less profits for most of us means "should I pay the electricity bill and starve for a couple of days?". For Ronald McDonald it probably means "here's another round of layoffs to streamline operational efficiency or whatever"
3.6% of 40k is 1,440. Thats like one months rent. 3.6% of 25 billion is 900 million thats like what... one super yachts?
Their decrease in profits is pushback for bad behavior though. So it would be like getting a 3.6% decrease in take home pay because you got demoted for misconduct.
Or alternately, that extra money was from a non-guaranteed bonus and you got a smaller bonus this year.
I wish there was more domestic anti-McDonald’s sentiment.
That shit is nasty.
There was a time when McDonald's had a reasonable combination of cheap, fast, predictable, and safe. You weren't going to spend $4.50 on a meal that was ready in seconds and it wasn't going to make you sick.
Basically none of that is the case anymore. You're going to wait like you're at a steakhouse, you're going to pay like you're at a steakhouse, and you're going to get freshly analed gristle on a bun.
Just because it was cheap and fast doesn't make it less shit.
McDonald's even at its peak was a heavy dose of salt, fat and carbohydrates, mostly empty calories, but again: cheap, fast, safe. My understanding is there are athletes that would carb load on McDonald's french fries because they were readily available basically everywhere and were very unlikely to make you sick.
Quality has slipped, prices have drastically increased, service is an order of magnitude slower...you have to be an idiot to eat at McDonald's now, the value proposition has fallen below remaining hungry.
McDonald's is better abroad (in my experience in the EU) so they actually have higher standards than us to begin with. I think that is largely true across the board but especially in this case.
They have better standards than the US because US standards would probably violate EU minimum standards.
Doesn't mean that they are good or even acceptable relative to the alternatives. Most kebab places in my city have better burgers for lower prices and the dedicated burger shops (not the tourist traps) have slightly higher prices but much better quality and quantity.
Depends heavily on the country. MacDonald's in France is quite good IMO, in Germany, it's absolutely nasty.
Oh no, did the shitty mega corporation suffer consequences for its role in contributing to destabilizing a government to save 2% on its taxes? Pobrecito!
Is that government the US or another one? Did they make substantial contributions to Trump or Vance?
Not only did they contribute, they had Trump do an ad for them while he was on the campaign trail.
US, yeah, and I'm certain they contributed in some way. Most mega corps contribute to republicans in some way or another, either directly to campaigns or they contribute to policy groups or advocacy/lobbying groups that contribute to republicans or help create policy for them. Basically, everything else can burn as long as we save 1% on our taxes-- wait, why did the lights go out?
When they let him "work" there and didn't chastise the franchisee for politicizing their brand, I was 100% done. They were my favorite go-to fast food for over 30 years. I'll never eat there again.
After McDonald’s dumbass trump stunt during the election, the only reason that I’ll ever go there again is to take a dump in their bathroom on a road trip.
There was talk about how Camilla was a McDonalds worker when she was young, compared to nepo asshole Drumph who never worked a day in his life. So he organized a photo shoot at a local McD's with him wearing an apron and looking confused. The closed the McD's for the occasion and only invited magats to use the drive through.
Trump was doing a McDonalds drive thru gig or something, idk was weird and dumb
McDonald’s allowed trump to close a store down for a stupid photo op where trump pretended to work.
It was very “trump, he just like us!”
"anti American". Nah, it's overpriced shit, that's all. Love from Australia.
Yeah, I can get an actual pub burger for 3-5 more than a quarter pounder... and I don't hate myself after it? Why should I go to McDonald's?
I've been asking myself the same question lately. If Maccas is nearly the same price as an actually good burger, why not just get the good burger?
Exactly this. It was "fast food" where you didn't expect greatness because it was cheap. Now it's not at all cheap and crap anyway.
Yeah it was always cheap, fast, good... pick 2 (sometimes) now it's fast or good, pick 1 (maybe).
Near me it's none of the above, teenagers arent winning any races and I dont expect them to. $15 minimum for a meal, and $30 for my partner and I, so fuck it, might as well go to the local burger joint where it's $36, feeds us both ,and I get a blue cheese and bacon burger for my trouble.
That's the way nowadays... good gravy I remember scoffing at a $10 burger... now finding one that cheap is like a unicorn!
Without the sauce the patty just tastes like cardboard. ( Urm, not that I eat cardboard often. )
I have never understood people's weird obsession with going to Macca's at the end of a night out, instead of the obviously better choice of literally any local kebab shop run by whoever
Oh God in my younger years ( a long long time ago ) after a nightclub in North West England I would hit the kebab shop and my mates would go for KFC. To this day I don't bother with that greasy stuff unless it's bought for me say at work or similar.
Macdonalds is utter shite. There's just no other way to say this.
It's funny how McDonald's was the crown jewel of Western capitalism/imperialism. I remember media saying that having McDonald's in your country means you are modernized and pro "democracy" and that your country is an ally of the west.
Now McDonald's is a sign of corporate greed and western dominance over your country. I guess that's what you get for letting a real estate company make and sell burgers.
Hopefully, this death dealing business model goes the way of the dodo.
Not just Western dominance. American dominance. We need to rid ourselves of these corporations, even in Western Europe.
Good
As a Canadian in Japan, McDonald's is one brand I had a difficult time saying goodbye to after your Shit president threatened our sovereignty, because I genuinely used to have a good experience everytime I went. Clean store, polite staff, decently cheap food, and cool collabs with Japanese IP like Pokemon and Mario.
I'm sad my kids don't get to enjoy a treat there every now and then, but fuck the USA right now and anybody who supports the shitty administration.
As an American, yeah I agree with you, fuck the USA
Yeah if you're cool with torturing and murdering animals, supporting genocide, destroying the planet... McD's is pretty sweet! Especially for the kids!
Do you ever worry that by calling everything genocide you're going to undermine the seriousness of the term?
Our very existence tortures the planet. Every bit of convenience and joy we feel is based on someone else's hardship and sadness to some degree. So do you just live every day of your life feeling guilty?
What device did you use to make your stupid comment? I hope it was posted using a device powered by renewables; used no rare earths; built by fairly paid, of-age, and vegan workers. Oh no? If you're cool with that, your comment is pretty sweet!
Why would you subject yourself to living in Japan as a Canadian with kids though?
Because I have Japanese heritage and it's awesome here. Wtf kind of question is that?
Every Japanese I have met in Canada (mostly in Toronto and Montreal), that had young children, say that it's very unwelcoming in Japan. And if you or your children are mixed, you face racism too. Again anecdotal, the number of these people I have talked to was only three, but they all had the same opinion. This included a couple that went back to try again a second time but then ended up in Montreal again.
Wow three whole anecdotes? I must be wrong and having a shitty time here too without realising, then.
If you can’t sell sugarburgers in America, what can you sell?
Maybe McDonald’s can introduce a payment plan system. It’s already how Americans afford groceries.
Fuck McDonald's
For at least since the pandemic I can get a better burger and fries from an actual restaurant, with probably three or four different places to choose from, for less. McDonald's is good in a particular way, but the two main things they had going for them were convenience and cost. With cost blown away the convenience isn't really enough to carry the day a lot of the time, even when I'm in a rush.
And they did it them fucking selves.
Yeah, not that I used to eat fast food a lot but with prices as high as they've gotten I just can't justify it. It's garbage food that's more expensive than sit-down options. Everyone has a phone, so with 10 minutes of pre planning you can order from anywhere and not have to sit there and wait which makes McDonald's lose ground in convenience too.
Pricing is about the only place McDonald's could win, but they're too greedy and we all know it.
I don't know why I bother with ordering ahead of time because every time I do they haven't done shit when I get there to pick it up.
Yup, they totally kept jacking prices up to get as much as they can from the consumer.
McDonald’s execs are not featured in this video but you can bet they were not sitting idly by when others were getting “as much as the consumer can absorb” read: keep increasing prices until sales increases stall.
Nope, just no, screw them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=psYyiu9j1VI
Good. Everything American outside of America should fail and collapse.
I would support a motion to throw a party in every fucking McDonald's that closes down.
I think you're wrong.
There is no 'anti-American sentiment' only an anti-Trump sentiment.
After he's gone our European 'leaders' will be happy little vasals and bootlickers again.
I dunno about that. This status quo was created because America came out of WWII smelling like roses. All of Europe was rebuilding and so American prosperity of the time was basically like being the one only slightly scorched house on a bombed block. It's been long enough that the countries in question aren't in need of leaning on the one stable currency.
This could be the push needed to equalize the world stage and break off of old habits. Like take Canada for example. Food self sufficiency in Canada was always a concern. That's why there was a tarriff on US Dairy, because Canada wanted to retain domestic self sufficiency in one of it's food production spheres. That issue persisted through other sectors but there wasn't a strong political motive to make that shift. The government wasn't called to protect and incentivize strong domestic production to a great extent because the US generally has a better growing year in the south. To not have food security however is a weakness in Canadian's self determination if things go bad. Now that things have gone bad structure will be put in place and protected meaning a semi-permanent loss of market for American interests.
What Trump has proven is American volitillity in it's government structure and voting block and nobody will want to tie a shoddy investment around their ankles. In fact some might take it as the opportunity to cut loose a problematic ally.
Since you mention WW2 and Canada here are some things they never talk about or will admit.
The metafor of 'scorched' doesn't apply to the US in WW2.
Even during the war they boomed from the war economy, jobs were abundant and companies profits doubled at the time.
And like today the US profitted from a war far from their unharmed country.
They also joined it purely out of self-interest.
It really angers me when people say they liberated us or wanted to defeat the nazis.
Fact is the Soviets defeated the nazis, 85% of Germans died fighting on the eastern front.
The Americans joined royally late in the European theatre after the battle for Stalingrad which was a decisive battle that ensured the Germans would eventually lose.
They were happy seeing European economic competition destroyed by war and the main reason they came in was to make sure they got a part of the loot.
Otherwise the Soviets would be at the Atlantic shores in no time and get it all.
And this all by themselves without the help of any 'allies'.
That's when we became vasals, we were not 'liberated'.
While the United States had little interest in collecting reparations from Germany, it was determined to secure repayment of the more than $10 billion it had loaned to the allies over the course of the war. Also they profitted from the Marshal plan after that.
Then Bretton-Woods which made us dependent on the dollar and we all became part of the NATO extortion racket.
They saw us as if we were another country they conquered. Treating the population like shit with many cases of rape, even more in enemy countries, Italy or Germany.
Much worse was their total disregard for human life and the collateral dammage.
To them hat was a cynical benefit, again destroying our infrastructure and people.
Countless excessive bombings with mass casualties.
A few weeks ago there was the annual remembrance of one of those bombings in Belgium,15km from where I live.
Americans were suppposed to bomb a factory and again made a 'mistake'.
As a result of their callous attitude 1000+ homes were destroyed, 937 people killed, 200+ of them children.
And 'getting rid of the nazis' is also not the case.
On the contrary, they actually saved plenty of them when they were sure the war was won.
It was already known the Soviets/communists would be their next chosen enemy and fascists were a good partner in this.
US and Brits ratted out the communist resistance to the nazis after they served their purpose and got executed.
Not so for nazis after the war.
The Soviets pursued denazification zealously. In the west only a handful got the death penalty at the Nuremberg show.
The bulk of them got rehabilitated and kept important political and economic positions.
All was forgiven.
Even during the end of the war it became clear.
German forces did relative little against the allies but kept fighting a lost war on the eastern front to hold off the Russians long enough for the Americans to take their part, also if the Germans would've kept Western Europe there would be no one to surrender to that would
Countless nazis and warcriminals got saved trough the so-called Ratlines orchestrated by the fascist Croatian Catholic priest Krunoslav Draganović in cooperation with the United States Counterintelligence Corps (CIC)
Not only the well known 'useful scientists' from Operation Paperclip but the worst of the worst, like Adolf Eichmann, Josef Mengele, Croatian Dictator Ante Pavelić, Léon Degrelle and Claus Barbie.
The last one later recruted by the CIC to help extreme-right regime changes in South America.
An entire SS division composed largely of Ukrainians who arrived in 1947, with many later emigrating to Canada.
These were awful people, guilty of murdering 35000 jews in one day and plenty warcrimes.
And their fuhrer Bandera got to live in West Berlin under a different identity without any consequences. Until the Russians found him and rightfully put a bullet in his head.
The immigration of fascist Ukranians in your country was also deliberate.
Many of the earlier immigrants (ironically many Ukranians) were very left-wing and started demanding horrible commie things such as workers rights and unions.
The government couldn't have that and this was their cure.
The consequences are still visible today.
All this to say the US was never our friend regardless of who's in charge.
Also clear in recent years in the Nuland-Pyatt call where she said "fuck Europe".
Or the Biden "there will be no more Nordstream" and the following terrorist act that made us depending on their 8x more expensive and polluting fracking gas which is killing our economy.
I really hope Europe breaks with the US but they take all these things without a peep. Our leaders are sold-out and continue their post WW2 vasal role.
They want to cling to the sinking ship while they should be looking east, the time of US hegemony is over.
The orange clown is doing the world a big favor in hastening that and his actions may indeed get some countries to seek better partners. We don't owe them anything.
I was with you until "they should be looking east".
No, we shouldn't. We should be looking to strengthen Europe. If anywhere, we should be looking south, to the decent countries that do exist in South America and Africa. Despite all the issues with the US you point out (that I largely agree with), they're still a quasi-democracy, that doesn't regularly disappear dissidents or wipe out ethnic groups. They've shown that they're volatile and untrustworthy, that doesn't make China or russia a better alternative.
The US does that constantly everywhere.
And do you think the African or South-American countries that have been colonised and leeched by Europe want to cooperate with us?
No, they turn to BRICS if they are not ruled by some vasal puppet.
What have we done for them?
We made Frontex, defending Fortress Europe shoot at immigrant boats and turning them away effectively sending them to their death.
They wouldn't even be immigrants if we hadn't meddled in their countries and fucked them up.
Also heavily complicit in the Palestinian genocide.
Think those countries like our 'European values' the EU political ghouls keep talking about?
Russia is our neighbour and we need to live in peace with them.
There wouldn't be a Ukraine war if the US hadn't caused regime change.
And now we suffer the consequences from sanctions while the US profits from them.
And China, the most important economy in the world should also not be our enemy.
That only benefits the US who want to see this happen exclusively for their own interests.
The dissonance is so extreme it's not even funny. Do you honestly believe that russia is standing up to the US, and not controlled by the US, and at the same time that they have no choice in the matter of whether hundreds of thousands of russians should die and be maimed in Ukraine?
Either russia is a US puppet, the US orchestrated the war, and the US is to blame; or russia is acting of its own accord, and are the sole country responsible for the war starting and continuing. You can't have it both ways.
LOL please do explain. Always ready for comedy.
And 2014 was a textbook funded US coup.
Plenty of facts and tactics they used to escalate the conflict such as shooting at both sides.
Just ignore that, or the Nuland-Pyatt call literally deciding who would be president.
The east and south didn't want to live under a US installed Banderite regime.
They got brutally attacked.
And somewhere it stops, if you think Russia should take ukraine in NATO with nukes aimed at them by NATO, with no time to react you are wrong.
I guess you have nothing
Wipe out ethnic groups? I mean they invade but Uighur and Tibetan ethnic groups still flourish. Are there other examples?
There is no anti-american sentiment, just an overwhelming pro-genocide sentiment within empire.
That, maybe. But hear me out:
A Double Quarter Pounder meal is now roughly $11-12 dollars. They don't put the prices on the menu half the time, and the people in the drive-through never give you the price. They just say "pull around."
Maybe don't run a shitty business that's overpriced.
A couple of weeks ago I was moving to a new house. I woke up early to move a load of things, and on the way was a McDonald's. I stopped in because it was convenient and got an Egg McMuffin with a hash brown and an OJ. It was $9. $9!
You can't charge outrageous prices and then go, "Man, why aren't people showing up?"
I can get a burger and fries from several local shops for less than McDonalds. The quality is better and there is more food in the bag.
Keep up the good work, boycott all fascist american brands.
I stopped going there ever since they cause the capture of Luigi.
I realized how far they go for anything.
I stopped when it became obvious they were price gouging their customers. None of their food is worth the price and it hasn't been for probably close to a decade.
My local restaurant's hamburgers >>> that local hot-dog stand's hamburgers >>> McDonalds
I can get a burger and fries from most places in my area for just a few bucks more. Totally worth it.
don't think I've ever had a burger that was worse than the McDonald's ones.
I'm baffled by why it's it popular at all. their quality is the worse (or at the same level of other junk food franchises).
Drive thrus and brand recgonition
i'm lovin' it
Incoming White House briefing calling McDonald’s commie traitors
Anti-American does good to your health!
It's nice to hear some good news.
"Grappling with uncertainty." Predictably a writhing scumbag running this gross American company. What we're forced to deal with, is the extremely blatant certainty of the fascist rapist Chris here probably voted for, being a repugnant disaster. Fuck you, Chris.
"Consumers today are grappling with uncertainty,"
such a eerily polite way to say that the country is going to shit.
I want to ask him if that's how he talks at home.
Good fuck McDonalds
I mean, I'm an American. I have a pro-American sentiment when it comes to food and drink.
I also happen to have an anti-overpriced-crap sentiment when it comes to the things I eat and drink.
In my area, a Quarter Pounder with Cheese is $10.50. Now, I may not compare exact apples-to-apples here, but let's go for it.
From my local supermarket, I can get 20 1/4lb. patties for $25 - that's the premade patties, not from the butcher section. That means not only can I decide how well-done I like my burger, I can season it as I choose. And I have confidence in my local supermarket that when they put on the side of the box "Ingredients:80% Lean, 20% Fat Ground Beef", they mean it. That makes each patty $1.25.
Now, if I want to buy the exact same ground beef, but not formed in patties, that's $3.25/lb (usually in 2-3 lb. packs, but I can ask the butcher and get a custom size) - so now we're down to $0.81 for the patty.
The rolls, I can get store brand. 8 for $1.50. That's $0.19 cents a roll. That means that if I buy my own ground beef, I've now spent exactly $1 on a quarter pound burger. So let's talk toppings.
The cheese first - one slice of American on theirs; I would go a different way, but stick to them. Springing for a little extra, $3.59 a pack for Borden Melts cheese, 16 slices. $0.22 per slice. Our burger is now at $1.22 COGS, and I have the makings for 7 more in buns and probably that in beef, plus I could make each burger with 2 slices of cheese, so each burger is $1.44 so far.
Onions, I can get for $1.50/lb (or less!), and each onion is less than that. But I definitely have enough to do a burger and meal plan - let's say an ounce, about $0.10. Mustard, I'm not going to factor in the cost, because it's so little as to be a joke. Buying a jar of good mustard can last you a year or more. Ketchup I'll say the same for. It can last a long time and the amount per burger is negligible. So let's be generous and say $0.10 each. Pickles can be more expensive if you get good ones, but store brand we're talking $0.16 per ounce (with brine), and you're not putting on a full ounce of pickle. So in toppings, we're adding ~$0.50 value.
Total cost of the burger is around $2.00 at retail, not at scale; about $3 if you want premade patties. Sure, there are costs to be amortized like rent and tax and cooking - and the biggest cost, labor. But each individual burger shouldn't be socked with an 80+% markup from COGS, and taste worse than the home-made version.
Why should I buy from McDonald's ever again?
I haven't been to McDs in ages, but holy fuck is a burger actually over $10?
Yup, and that's just a burger. Mind you, I live in spitting distance of NYC, so I do admittedly have a cost that's inflated due to high taxes and high minimum wage. But all my other costs were based on my local supermarket that's within walking distance of the McD's I used for price reference. If I'd used the Walmart that's in the same lot, it'd be even more extreme.
I just checked the prices from my local McD on deliveroo it is bad but not that bad, think they are also a little bit cheaper when ordering directly inside but not 100% sure haven’t been there myself in ages
If it costs $2 and you sell it for $10, isn't that a 500% markup?
You're right. My markup % was off. I'm glad I have a computer calculating it at work.
Wouldn't that actually be a 400% markup? $2 = no markup, $4 = 100%, $6 = 200%, $8 = 300%, $10 = 400%
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Ok like I agree with 99% of what you said and prefer not to eat McDonald’s as well. Overpriced and poor quality. But labor is the kicker. The time you spent going to the store, are you eating the burgers daily if not your buns and onions will go bad pretty quick so you’re heading to the store multiple times to use that meat (if cooking one burger a time) plus time to cook. Like McDonald’s sucks for sure but where do you draw the line at what 10 dollars of your time is worth? Like this fictional one burger at a time universe sounds exhausting to me.
Obviously at scale this doesn’t matter. I don’t just buy burgers to eat one burger a day I get a load of groceries for a week at a time. Some meals are easier to make than others. Etc. I just felt the way you write your post was like time is free. It’s like the opposite of free.
I agree. But I think I sort of mentioned, what I found was that through serendipity, it works out to the packages being pretty accurate to 8 .25lb burgers, aside from the onion, mustard, ketchup, and pickles.
I would make a family meal out of that - in fact, I think I might this weekend. You're right, time isn't free. But I'm not going to pay more than double the retail COGS for a sandwich that's produced on commercial scale and not cooked by hand. If that's what they need to do in order to keep the lights on, then they need to cut overhead or negotiate more effectively to reduce COGS. But we all know that these are not 'keep the lights on' prices. They could cut the price and still make a profit.
If it was a locally owned small business where I believed that my support would be valued, or where they were reinvesting into the local community, I think I'd accept it. Heck, I do accept it. One of my local places serves a $13 burger. I buy it, because I know where they get their beef, and their veggies, and the staff and owners are in my area. Everything but the tax comes back into my local economy. That's not how McD's works.
I just want to thank you for making me feel not crazy. Some of my co workers won’t even consider a 13 dollar burger. But it’s from a local joint and the owners live local been doing it for 30 years. I don’t care it’s a better purchase than McDonald’s. They think I’m Mad.
If you're in the area i am, the place I'm talking about is on the 163 line.
Costs the same as a sit down meal, low standards often tepid, virtue signalling vegan menu, deforestation contributions, we have Greggs for trash Panda food
I can even get a pint of beer with a sit down meal for not far off the cost of McDonalds.
Might it have something to do with McDonald’s used to be cheap now it’s over $10 for a burger, fries, and drink for just me. If I get a meal for my family it’s well over $40. That’s just too much for cheap fast food.
Have they tried SUING People who ARENT eating there?
Tariffs make baby Ronald cry.
McDonald's is a real estate business, that just happens to specialize in generic burgers as a brand. It isn't a surprise that the company doesn't care about a quality dining experience, when repairing icecream machines was a money maker for them.
Mcdonald routinely supporting genocide caused millions to stop consuming that trash, and now the anti-Americans are catching up! Nice to see capital crumbling brick by boring brick.
Why won't people pay $15 for our meatboard burgers, cold fries, and a half hour in our pristine drive through?
Good. Fuck ‘em for the sake of GP, and fuck ‘em for hosting TFI. Get fucked.
Not only is the quality still bad but its so overpriced compared to local alternatives. Its actually easy to boycott them because of this.
I live in a small town and the only garbage that i see around are McDonald's bags and drinkt that get thrown on the side of the road. I think it's a special kind of people that eats at McDonald's, and they don't care about quality, prices and the mystery shit they eat.
So... poor people? (But littering obviously bad)
McDonald's is so expensive here, it's not really poor people food, it's lazy people food.
It's cheaper to boil a pot of pasta or make your own burger, hell, it's cheaper to go to other restaurants. People aren't going to McDonald's because they are poor.
Poor people work a lot so they need readymade food and historically McDonald's was cheap readymade food. I'm flat broke right now until payday and making my own food out of what I have in the pantry is consuming a lot of my time between shifts
Make sure you make very large portions. Cook enough pasta for 5 meals, then put 4 in the fridge. Those four reheat quickly in the microwave. Beef stew? 10 portions. Steak? 3 portions. Same for everything else, don't just make single portions, make extra then eat it later as a quick meal. Cooking takes significantly less time this way. And is way, way faster than waiting at a McDonald's.
I hear the argument a lot that yes, McDonald's is bad, but it feeds poor people. That is such a lie. Even if McDonald's were half the price, it wouldn't beat rice and beans for example. If you have to feed 4 people at McDonald's where i live, that's 4 menus, equals 80 dollars. Even if you'd half that, you vould coock for them for a week if you really want to, and it's not shit ass McDonald's food.
Poor people? I pay 9.95 euros for fries and meat at my snackbar. I just checked in their app and I'd have to pay around about the same (depending on what meat option I pick) to have less fries and worse quality meat.
For the McDonalds I'd have to drive there, for the local option I could walk there faster than driving to the McD.
Luckily I do not notice that here, but have noticed how busy our McD can get while having a perfect alternative in town.
Expensive and slow. I don't mind waiting for the food to be cooked if it reduces waste, but the "restaurant" experience is now awful in the UK. Most of the offers on the app are for delivery only. Then have to wait alongside a queue of uber drivers with giant boxes.
I feel Mcdonalds have given up on the restaurant sit down experience. I believe they may end up with a subscription based home delivery service, where they don't need to worry about front of house staff and can just send out like warm boxes while raising the monthly price. We seen what happened when Disney gave up everything and tried to go all in with Disney Plus.
Mcdonalds was never about quality, but a fun cheap fast place to grab a bite. It's a shame because I do have some fun memories, yet another example of late stage capitalism.
Yep, any time I've been inside a Maccy's since covid has been a long wait while countless delivery drivers walk past and pick up online orders. I've tried delivery and it's been shit every time, lukewarm food with soggy fries. I don't think their food is suited to delivery, IMO it's only popular because of momentum.
Its insane to me people have fast food delivered... like if you gonna spend the money in high delivery feees, atleast order from good food places.
Their food is so bad except the fries
Fuck you McDonalds. For so many reasons. Letting the fucking monster play employee on his way to destroy this country was just icing on the cake.
That's a good thing. Love to see the impacts.
Will still continue avoiding them.
A fucking McDouble should have never gone over a buck fifty. Fuck McDonald's. They're not paying their employees enough to charge that much.
McFascism
Companies slowly starting to realize that you can’t charge ANY price… quality and price doesn’t match
Well earned hate.
They really had to go above and beyond. From their insane price hikes to their genocide apologia. They earned what is happening to them. They pursued this outcome.
I have boycotted them for years now, mainly because of the prices and service. And also subway, though that's for the price gouging they did during covid.
Macdonald's have forgotten the "fast, cheap, good. Pick two" rule.
And gone for the "slow, expensive, and yet still bad" tactic.
Fafo.
The recent support of tRUMP is just another nail in the McCoffin.
Supplying free meals to an army committing a genocide and gloating about it probably has more to do with it.
Plus, their cheap crap food is now not so cheap I believe.
Use the Spell Card "Monster Reborn" to ressurect the fucking Dollar Menu
I haven't been to McGenocide in a long while
Me who hasn't eaten any McDonalds for decades purely because it's unhealthy.
Yeah, doing my part and all that...
I've not done it cause it's bad food for shit prices. It has been a mystery, why they have been in buissnes the last 15 years.
Oh how the turns have tabled.
This pleases me.
I hope all of these price-gouging motherfuckers see their worst sales declines since 2020. Bastards.
Good. Keep it up!
Yeah started boycotting them a couple years back when I started noticing their prices were fucking insanely high for absolute shit food. The garbage they pulled during COVID and greedflation just further solidified my resolve. Haven't ever missed it. Plenty of mom and pop food places Id rather support and enjoy more. There's always other food places, fast food or not.
I haven’t bought McDonald’s since Trump won, but I still see lineups around them.
I wouldn’t buy Maccas even if they were plant-based.
After that stunt with Trump, they will never get my money again.
There was a Stunt? Only thing I Heard is They sold their food to him (something I wouldnt deem as controversial)
They let Trump do a photo op manning a fryer to mock his opponent that had worked at a McDonald's in her teens. The clown makes burgers. If he wants to play politics, he doesn't get my business.
America side, few working class can afford buying premade food. Preparing food at home, cooking, saves money. High odds this is working in conjunction with the buy European campaign.
Oh well!! So sad.
/s
They've been going downhill ever since they discontinued the McChicken Korma Naan in 1999.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xhQl8R7rMI
It was fucking gorgeous
I'm still going to eat burger king, it still has Belgians being employed there and our minimum wage is quite high. The food is good so I support it.
It's American owned, but the business I eat at pays Belgian taxes, Belgian wages, invested in Belgian real estate, ...
I support that.
It's not the same as importing USA goods and services produced within their country.
I highly advice you people to reconsider your purchases when it's based on buying imported goods Vs foreign owned locally produced goods/services.
It's not the same thing. We WANT foreigners to pour their capital into our areas. That's good for us. Just trust me on this one.
Any profit is sent back to the US. Whereas if I get my food in my local burger joint, all the money stays in my country. They are also nice burgers. I understand what you are saying but right now, and maybe the next few years, we do have to remind the US, you aren't an empire on your own. This for their brands AND their Tech services industry.
It might not pay any Belgian taxes, claiming it makes no profit (because of fees paid to the US).
Hmmmmm, we don't really aim at having them pay corporate taxes. They invest their capital, which increases the labour's value here. The higher wages cause for more labour taxes or consumption taxes. Hence our tax revenue increases.
If they do transfer pricing, they would have to be insane to send it to USA. They'd rather send it to tax havens.
The EU does their effort to counter transfer pricing.
Even if it fails, their capital investment causes our country to gain profit.
I don't think burger King creates new jobs or invest a lot of capital in the country.
For example this place: they have to rent this area in the center of the capital. That's not cheap for them. There's plenty of employees inside the restaurant.
But if burger King wasn't there, another restaurant would be in that place, paying that rent and salaries. There's nothing unique about burger King that creates net new jobs. They didn't build that building. Or anything for that matter. They don't have some kind of unique technology or product. They don't enable any new processes or offer new capabilities to anyone. If that place was owned by "aunt Marie Burgers and Frites" it would be a net positive for the area and the country.
Money coming inside of Belgium is a good thing. It funds development. This building has a renter. Aunt Marie burgers and frites' money is being used elsewhere in the country for other development.
The pie got larger.
China became relevant because of foreign capital. Nothing else.
We should motivate foreigners to pour their capital into Europe.
There is no capital moving in. It's not a new factory. It's not a new technology. It's not a novel product that didn't exist before. They don't even export anything. They pay the rent with money from their customers, just like anyone paying taxes in Belgium would. There is only capital moving out.
Oh my god ronald please shut the fuck up
Fuck this genocidal disinfo.
Imperial news is a mouthpiece for imperial capitalism.