I don't see that at all. The only MAGA that I'm still connected to on Facebook hasn't posted anything about the Abrego Garcia situation since it happened. He's literally doing the Homer thing, and the shrubs are his other posts about the weather and stuff. He went from posting about Trump all the time to kinda pretending like he doesn't exist.
Meanwhile, the MAGAts around my parents' house in the middle of rural Indiana have taken down all of their Trump flags. They were already at a low ebb before the election; now there are only two houses with Trump signs up on my route to their house, and I'm pretty sure one of them is owned by an old woman who can't walk.
This just isn't happening on the ground. Only on Fox, as far as I can tell.
Unconditional trust in the MAGA authorities, plus unconditional disdain for all other authorities (trumps convictions are unjust politically motivated prosecution, he did nothing wrong). He turned his brain off years ago and just lets fox news think for him.
If you’re ever forced to have a debate with him, I would love to know about a (actually, an honest) strategy:
Yeah I want him to have a third term too and be as effective as possible, but how will it work if the deep state gets Obama in for a third term and he sends all Republicans to Turkish prisons? Makes me wonder if we listen to the courts whether we can keep the DemonRats/DementedCraps from being their usual fascist selves 🤔
I live in a pretty maga area and I can say that maybe the support has dwindled a tiny bit around me? I dunno it's hard to tell. I can tell you for damn sure tho that there are still plenty of people incredibly happy with everything that's going on. Especially with the deportations. It seems a little less with the tariffs but even then a ton of them are very happy that America is finally standing up for itself.
I'm pretty convinced at this point that there is literally nothing Trump could do that they would see as a bad thing.
That happened to a buddy in Florida before the 2020 election, people took down their signs all over. I noticed it in rural Washington as well. I guess they saw a black woman, got scared, and put them right back up.
My hardcore right wing neighbors have anti-elon stickers all over one of their Teslas, but are still the same. I think Fox has them fearful of "persecution". They highlight every act of vandalism or protest like they're some sort of oppressed minority so that makes them afraid to speak up, or they straight up know their viewpoints are shameful. Either way I think only the margins are changing as the truth never penetrates the core of the believers.
I kept telling people that Frederick Douglas helped Lincoln's campaign at a time when Lincoln couldn't promise to end slavery. I got called every name in the book for suggesting that a less than perfect candidate was much better than an absolute fascist.
My conservative relatives on the wealthier side are upset, at least. These economic policies and Musk's foolishness have soured them enough to question their media consumption.
We are NOT winning, we are NOT sitting here smug while the conservatives whither into the background, they are fucking in control of the world’s wealthiest, most powerful country and they are celebrating every day.
You just described my mom's YouTube feed. Just metric fucking tons of copium. The Midas Touch has like 20 videos a day, each of them with titles like Trump BLASTED by Immigration JUDGE! or Trump suffers MAJOR LOSS and FREAKS OUT or Trump has PANICKED MELTDOWN as he meets HIS FATE in COURT!!1!
None of this is true. It's all happy fantasy. The sky is literally falling, but these fuckwits are saying it's ok, go have a picnic, everything is working out, and all you have to do is go look outside and see THEY'RE COMPLETELY FULL OF SHIT.
One side is setting everything on fire, while the "other" side is busting out marshmallows and graham crackers.
They believe whatever Trump does is gospel and their news outlets convince them the same. He can do no wrong because that would shatter the reality they've constructed.
The thing is that it took a powerful coalition of countries to actively wage war against him for years for that to happen. I am not seeing anything similar happening here.
Hey, we're working on creating that broad coalition right now! Don't worry, invading Canada, Mexico, Panama, Greenland, Disneyland and MacDonald's Island should help motivate the world! If that doesn't do it, we have plans to bomb China, Australia, Costa Rica, Maine, Disney World, Loompaland, and Imagination Land.
Wait... It took the rest of the world being against Nazi Germany to stop them. You're not seeing a powerful coalition of countries opposing the US. So... This is all on America? Not sure how you got to that last point.
Maybe Kamala shouldn't have tried to take over the conservatives, and instead focussed on politics that matter.
But I guess that worked out really good for her and the country!
Boy am I glad that some voters left their brains at home because their little feelings got hurt by Kamala. Makes me feel real good about that outcome knowing that they showed Kamala who's boss! /s 🤮
I think politics need to be interesting for people to vote. If the expected outcome is that everything only worsens a bit, you'll never get people to vote for you.
So by leaning right, she basically tried to appease the conservatives, but made progressives lose interest. I don't think that anyone (or a substancial number) on the left tried to "own" her.
Hopefully there will be next elections, and hopefully there will be a party worthy of voting for it.
(Also disclaimer, I am not american, and am just objectively stating the obvious)
Whatever you do don't blame the people who threw the campaign and rolled out the red carpet for where you are now.
Maybe they'll get back into power and make sure the people involved face no justice at all, so they can do it again
Democrats lost 6 millions voters in 2024 compared to 2020.
Republicans gained 3 million voters in 2024 compared to 2020.
Third parties stayed the same between 2024 and 2020 at 3 million total voters.
9 million people chose to abstain from voting in 2024 compared to 2020.
Even if you add up the some ~1 million uncommitted voters that voted Green or PSL in 2024, this pails in comparison to the amount of people that either switched parties or didn't vote at all.
Democrats did this to themselves. Kamala ran towards the Republicans instead of rallying to the Democrats' traditional strengths as well as making a coalition with progressives and leftists.
The more you blame Palestinian voters instead of Democratic party leadership, the more you wish for the destruction of all minority rights in this country.
I'll be voting for the most progressive viable candidate. If that's kamala or AOC or Gavin newsom, yeah we might lose, but that's not going to stop me from vocally supporting them over some joker like Jill Stein who has literally zero chance and knows it.
Radical left wing politicians are not electable outside of small college towns. Democrats, and Americans more generally are not radically left wing. Calling for the death of America, or Israel, or any country really, is not a position that will win you a general election in this country.
Agreed 100% I work around people that are Ride Or Die Trump supporters, and they are fully on board with crashing everything so as long as they get to own the Libs.
The Weimarer Republic was a very young democracy, it existed only for 15 years and before that Germany was a monarchy. Trump is dismantling the oldest democracy at the moment
I think at the time they didn't believe a republic could really work for a large expansive country and would just use it for smaller city states. Hence why Florence and Venice and San Marino were Republics but then Naples and Sicily were monarchies.
To add to what you're saying, the Weimar republic was not a really a democracy when Hitler got in power; it was already ruled by decree, with a reactionary minority (Hindenburg, Papen, Schleicher and al) aiming to ignore parliament and preserve the nobility.
In early 1933 a German observer might have hoped the authoritarian trend was just a temporary thing and the presidential clique would have to bend to the parliament eventually, since they were continually losing support.
I genuinely think that most maga just are fully uneducated about what is currently happening. Most probably don't even know that people have been disappeared. Their bubble is so fucking densely packed with stupid, nothing real gets in
Tbf, we've spent the last 8+ years making sure echo chambers become the name of the game and completely breaking down discourse from "across the aisle" so to speak to the degree where we mostly don't interact with them, and they mostly don't interact with us. We've set it up like this seemingly intentionally, if all they do is watch fox and truth social and neither of those places are talking about it (tbf I'm kinda with you on this, idk if they are talking about it because I'm not there either, so), how can we expect them to have heard about it?
Like sure we're all aware of it here, where they aren't, but have they heard of it where they are? And how do we fix it, go there ourselves and tell them? Might be too late, tbh.
Something will have to happen that punches through all bubbles. I hate to say it but the most likely scenario at this point is a mass casualty event that is unquestionably perpetrated by the trump regime. May shock enough of them out of it, but likely would be spun as justified somehow.
I think the takeaway for me is that there is a decent % of humanity in every nation that see the world differently. We can only see what our mind is capable of.
The hard truth is that fascists cannot be redeemed or convinced. He was quite popular among a good portion of the German population long after the war. Even into the 1950s a large portion of the population still didn't accept Germany's responsibility for the war. The truth is a lot of the generation that was most affected by the Nazi propaganda, the age bracket that really voted Hitler into power? Most of them never lost those Nazi ideals and kept them right until they died of old age. There's a reason so many works of fiction in the second half of the 20th century feature groups of old Nazis working one evil scheme or another.
Germans in 1941: 🙈 well "prisons aren't supposed to be fun", these grainy "photos don't really show anything." "There are only 241 released deaths in the camps, I'm sure everything is completely fine there"
I noticed this when it was first was mentioned on conspiracy, it's probably a scrap yard or something, if El Salvador were going to start murdering people they would probably make sure to hide it from Google maps.
the problem, is the people currently protesting arnt magats, its only the progressive, not everyone is on board with that yet, until the republicans are doing it to, something will change.
The report says that 153 people died in custody after being arrested under Bukele’s year-long crusade against gangs, including 47 this year, according to the new investigation.
IMO can't compare it like that you would need a ratio. Like say they only have 200 people in the camps. That makes it a whole lot worse. If they have 5 million then having even a 1000 would be more 'reasonable'.
Worth noting, though, Trump is talking about sending “homegrown criminal” to El Salvador prisons. Considering Trump does not define “criminal” as someone convicted of a crime, this is genuinely scary.
The courts will absolutely shake their fists furiously while the republicans in congress will sit on their thumbs while ceding all their power to the executive branch.
Democrats really have no power except to shut the government down. Hopefully they use that power in the fall.
Hey entwine, just an FYI -- Kilmar Ábrego García was not a legal immigrant. He was an illegal immigrant (of course, this doesn't mean he was charged with a crime) who was granted a protection from deportation to El Salvador by a US judge on the grounds that he would be in danger from El Salvadorean gangs. He has had a work permit since 2019.
Nevertheless, he was not granted due process and this administration is violating court orders.
Even criminals and illegal aliens are granted protection under the constitution too. Citizen or not, in the eyes of the law, they have the same (ignored) rights.
Right. Only reason I mention it is because entwine (rightly) noted we should be accurate when critizing the administration, and then accidentally inaccurately described him as a legal immigrant. Legal or not, it was a miscarriage of justice to send this man to El Salvador.
Nevertheless, he was not granted due process and this administration is violating court orders.
This, I don't care if he's a shit bag. I know a lot of shit bags are in our country right now, some high up in government who admitted to being here illegally, does that mean we just send them to El Salvador?
I don't have up to date knowledge about this American stuff and what is happening but I'd like my gov to deport and send somewhere far away certain criminals. Why not send all convicted rapists and pedophiles to some desert. I think it should be nationality agnostic thing
Even if I agreed with the idea of non-reform prisons, there have been zero trials held to prove they were actually criminals. We aren't sending convicted rapists to the desert, we're sending people to a foreign prison, based on nothing but allegations.
I just wanted to make sure you understood that 'Murica can't be used as an example of your ideals, because it sorta sounded like you were trying to say you were in favor of what's going on.
Rehabilitation based prisons are more effective than punitive prisons anyways, so it becomes very difficult to argue that inhumane prisons are good for anything. I'm a victim, and don't believe my rapist should be tortured. If we had such a system, I would probably be even less inclined to report, because I don't think anybody deserves this pain, not even the people who perpetuate it.
The way this works is they make you feel so afraid of criminals that you want someone cruel in power to protect you from them.
Problem is they need to keep you afraid and keep on being cruel to maintain power. So they will constantly be adding groups of people to the list. The eventual outcome is you may be added to the list and sent to a gulag. But maybe if you're lucky you won't and you merely live in fear that your government will execute it's cruelty on you if you ever speak out.
Living in a system dominated by fear and cruelty isn't how I want to live. Why do you want to live that way?
75% of the people sent to CECOT from the US have no criminal record and might be completely innocent. It could be you, someone you know, or someone you might be able to scrounge up empathy for.
I'm fine with criminals being held in a prison in my own country and still having human rights no matter what crime they committed because I haven't been made to be afraid of criminals. They're the criminals that did horrific things to people, I don't feel the need to do horrific things to criminals (which would make me the same as them) because I'm afraid.
Yes and they used to have that in the U.S. as well, but surprise surprise! If you put an authoritarian in power, who delights in being cruel and punishing people, you tend to lose some of those precious rights.
Well, I didn't vote for anyone in the U.S. since I don't live there.
But my point is, non-authoritarians wouldn't even suggest sending their own citizens to foreign prisons/camps. It's cruel and unnecessary and it doesn't solve the root of any issues. It's just offloading your problems onto someone else.
Somehow I doubt the desert will put up a good defense to this invasion to be honest. I don't know might be wrong, maybe the dromedaries will do napalm strikes to avenge the ruffled dunes
I guess so, it doesn’t matter what race would be the majority of destination inhabitants as long as it is hard to come back. Just send them away to the moon if that sounds better for ya
Or to mars
Not a novel idea I guess. That’s how modern Australia came to be
To be honest I am not so sure that rape is better than murder or torture. Not sure if I wouldn’t actually kill myself afterwards and believe me I am very mentally resistant person
Quick death isn’t the most horrible thing under the sun, pain is pain whether rape or torture but rape leaves holes in the soul that will never heal. It destroys you as a person.
On the outside you may still appear to walk, talk and eat but inside everything is dead, merely a shell remains. It is a death of sorts but without respite of nothingness
All three seem like just words here on the internet but behind all three are incredibly terrible stories that we are not able to truly comprehend.
The problem with the prison system here in the U.S. is that in a majority of states the counties' budget relies on income from maxed out prisons. It's a for-profit system, but there are very few private prisons compared to public prisons. The private prisons are even MORE incentivized to max out their population.
I don't like the idea of non-reform prisons because they don't even give someone a chance to try to recognize what they did was wrong and be able to change themselves in a meaningful way. Not to say that it happens in "reform" prisons here, but it's at least a chance.
The U.S. wouldn't have such a huge prison population if it wasn't essentially for-profit and if the "War on Drugs" didn't happen, among other things.
But the issue right now isn't even what you're talking about. The U.S. is grabbing "illegal immigrants" off the street regardless of immigration status now and sending them to a prison in El Salvador. They are trying to declare all of these people "dead" in the Social Security "Death Master File" which essentially locks these people out of any bank accounts, credit, jobs, etc so they self-deport before being disappeared.
Once they have all "illegal" immigrants out of the country, then they will focus on what Elon Musk calls "parasites": people on disability or any kind of government assistance because these people (including myself) are seen as a drain on the federal government and since Trump can't stop the funding to these agencies he's going through the back door and looking for "fraud" but recognize that "mistakes will be made" thus causing all kinds of problems for legal U.S. citizens.
Then when he's done with them, he'll move on to people who don't identify with the gender they were born as. Technically he's already making their lives hell by doing things like requiring all government documents to show the gender a person was born as, not what they identify as, regardless if any transitions were made or not. For those who have already transitioned they are kinda of in limbo now because their documentation states something that they essentially aren't.
They only care about the second amendment…and then the first amendment when they show that they’re an asshole on social media and get called out for it. I don’t think they learned the others that trump is currently wiping his ass with.
'Of course I'm guilty!' cried Parsons with a servile glance at the telescreen. 'You don't think the Party would arrest an innocent man, do you?' His frog-like face grew calmer, and even took on a slightly sanctimonious expression. 'Thoughtcrime is a dreadful thing, old man,' he said sententiously. 'It's insidious. It can get hold of you without your even knowing it. Do you know how it got hold of me? In my sleep! Yes, that's a fact. There I was, working away, trying to do my bit—never knew I had any bad stuff in my mind at all. And then I started talking in my sleep. Do you know what they heard me saying?'
He sank his voice, like someone who is obliged for medical reasons to utter an obscenity.
'"Down with Big Brother!" Yes, I said that! Said it over and over again, it seems. Between you and me, old man, I'm glad they got me before it went any further. Do you know what I'm going to say to them when I go up before the tribunal? "Thank you," I'm going to say, "thank you for saving me before it was too late."'
'Who denounced you?' said Winston.
'It was my little daughter,' said Parsons with a sort of doleful pride. 'She listened at the keyhole. Heard what I was saying, and nipped off to the patrols the very next day. Pretty smart for a nipper of seven, eh? I don't bear her any grudge for it. In fact I'm proud of her. It shows I brought her up in the right spirit, anyway.'
I see so many videos with wrong "subtitles" (sorry, flashing the word as it is said is an annoying way to subtitle your videos, they're not proper subtitles), people don't have to proof their text anymore and it generates interaction. Stupid AF.
Lol MAGAts aren't doing what the meme says, they're cheering it on, because ThOSe DaMn DeMoCrAps are finally getting taken care of
I don't see that at all. The only MAGA that I'm still connected to on Facebook hasn't posted anything about the Abrego Garcia situation since it happened. He's literally doing the Homer thing, and the shrubs are his other posts about the weather and stuff. He went from posting about Trump all the time to kinda pretending like he doesn't exist.
Meanwhile, the MAGAts around my parents' house in the middle of rural Indiana have taken down all of their Trump flags. They were already at a low ebb before the election; now there are only two houses with Trump signs up on my route to their house, and I'm pretty sure one of them is owned by an old woman who can't walk.
This just isn't happening on the ground. Only on Fox, as far as I can tell.
My MAGA friend just said due process is only for citizens. I stopped trying to debate with him, he’s too far gone. I’m depressed about it.
Very disappointing. How does he say he's expected to prove that he's a citizen without due process? I've been wondering.
Unconditional trust in the MAGA authorities, plus unconditional disdain for all other authorities (trumps convictions are unjust politically motivated prosecution, he did nothing wrong). He turned his brain off years ago and just lets fox news think for him.
He doesn't actually have an answer? Even more disappointing.
"What if a socialist demonrat accused you of being a noncitizen? How would you prove them wrong?"
Correct, no answer. It just cant happen.
You can ask how do you know he's not a citizen without due process?
Couldn’t answer coherently. Comfortably safe as the in group, confident that the others deserve their punishment.
You mean your illegal alien friend? Better let ICE know about him!
If you’re ever forced to have a debate with him, I would love to know about a (actually, an honest) strategy:
I live in a pretty maga area and I can say that maybe the support has dwindled a tiny bit around me? I dunno it's hard to tell. I can tell you for damn sure tho that there are still plenty of people incredibly happy with everything that's going on. Especially with the deportations. It seems a little less with the tariffs but even then a ton of them are very happy that America is finally standing up for itself. I'm pretty convinced at this point that there is literally nothing Trump could do that they would see as a bad thing.
That happened to a buddy in Florida before the 2020 election, people took down their signs all over. I noticed it in rural Washington as well. I guess they saw a black woman, got scared, and put them right back up.
My good friend's parents are adamant that Trump has done nothing wrong and apparently hope he continues on the current path.
That'll change once his cancer touches them. Mark my words.
They are pretty disconnected from the rest of the country both geographically and financially, so honestly, I doubt it.
My hardcore right wing neighbors have anti-elon stickers all over one of their Teslas, but are still the same. I think Fox has them fearful of "persecution". They highlight every act of vandalism or protest like they're some sort of oppressed minority so that makes them afraid to speak up, or they straight up know their viewpoints are shameful. Either way I think only the margins are changing as the truth never penetrates the core of the believers.
The mental gymnastics, man.
I wish that was happening near me. All the "MAGA" and "vote Trump" flags and billboards are still up around here.
I kept telling people that Frederick Douglas helped Lincoln's campaign at a time when Lincoln couldn't promise to end slavery. I got called every name in the book for suggesting that a less than perfect candidate was much better than an absolute fascist.
Which, given proper context, should put them high in the running for scum of all existence.
My conservative relatives on the wealthier side are upset, at least. These economic policies and Musk's foolishness have soured them enough to question their media consumption.
I checked the mtg one and yup people were cheering him getting removed.
It's that the one where they tazer the minority?
I just saw the initial removal. Then she talked about how Democrats are violent, to make everyone assume he was a Democrat.
You just described my mom's YouTube feed. Just metric fucking tons of copium. The Midas Touch has like 20 videos a day, each of them with titles like Trump BLASTED by Immigration JUDGE! or Trump suffers MAJOR LOSS and FREAKS OUT or Trump has PANICKED MELTDOWN as he meets HIS FATE in COURT!!1!
None of this is true. It's all happy fantasy. The sky is literally falling, but these fuckwits are saying it's ok, go have a picnic, everything is working out, and all you have to do is go look outside and see THEY'RE COMPLETELY FULL OF SHIT.
One side is setting everything on fire, while the "other" side is busting out marshmallows and graham crackers.
They believe whatever Trump does is gospel and their news outlets convince them the same. He can do no wrong because that would shatter the reality they've constructed.
Now that's a spicy meme.
The first concentration camps in nazi Germany opened in 1933
They mostly imprisoned political opponents first.
Hitler only died 12 years later. I recommend doing it about 12 times faster this time around.
The thing is that it took a powerful coalition of countries to actively wage war against him for years for that to happen. I am not seeing anything similar happening here.
This is all on Americans themselves.
Hey, we're working on creating that broad coalition right now! Don't worry, invading Canada, Mexico, Panama, Greenland, Disneyland and MacDonald's Island should help motivate the world! If that doesn't do it, we have plans to bomb China, Australia, Costa Rica, Maine, Disney World, Loompaland, and Imagination Land.
How do I defect to McDonald Island?
Become one with penguin. And hamberders.
That's imagination island. We want to be accurate in our statements.
Nope. There's
terroristsHamas in Imaginationland.Oh man. My kids just corrected me on this. It is imagination land after all. Apologies for my ignorance.
Dude(ette?), with all the shit going on in the real world, it's a minor mistake.
Wait... It took the rest of the world being against Nazi Germany to stop them. You're not seeing a powerful coalition of countries opposing the US. So... This is all on America? Not sure how you got to that last point.
Nazi Germany didn't have a shitload of nuclear weapons.
I guess that's what happens when you make doomed political choices and threaten annexation while forcing economic warfare on your closest allies.
But please without dragging the whole world into war with millions killed
Most of them closed before 1935 and then were reopened but worse in 1938ish
And Auschwitz was in Poland
True. People tend to forget the settler colonialist aspect of the nazi ideology
This was so obviously gonna happen with Trump back in office. But at least we saved the Palestinians by not voting for Kamala, right?
Maybe Kamala shouldn't have tried to take over the conservatives, and instead focussed on politics that matter. But I guess that worked out really good for her and the country!
Well the important thing is that you found a way to blame her instead of the actual people doing the actual things.
I am not blaming her for what is happening right now, I am blaming her for leaning too far right, and not being able to win with that.
Boy am I glad that some voters left their brains at home because their little feelings got hurt by Kamala. Makes me feel real good about that outcome knowing that they showed Kamala who's boss! /s 🤮
I think politics need to be interesting for people to vote. If the expected outcome is that everything only worsens a bit, you'll never get people to vote for you. So by leaning right, she basically tried to appease the conservatives, but made progressives lose interest. I don't think that anyone (or a substancial number) on the left tried to "own" her.
Hopefully there will be next elections, and hopefully there will be a party worthy of voting for it.
(Also disclaimer, I am not american, and am just objectively stating the obvious)
Whatever you do don't blame the people who threw the campaign and rolled out the red carpet for where you are now. Maybe they'll get back into power and make sure the people involved face no justice at all, so they can do it again
Democrats lost 6 millions voters in 2024 compared to 2020.
Republicans gained 3 million voters in 2024 compared to 2020.
Third parties stayed the same between 2024 and 2020 at 3 million total voters.
9 million people chose to abstain from voting in 2024 compared to 2020.
Even if you add up the some ~1 million uncommitted voters that voted Green or PSL in 2024, this pails in comparison to the amount of people that either switched parties or didn't vote at all.
Democrats did this to themselves. Kamala ran towards the Republicans instead of rallying to the Democrats' traditional strengths as well as making a coalition with progressives and leftists.
The more you blame Palestinian voters instead of Democratic party leadership, the more you wish for the destruction of all minority rights in this country.
Can you stop with this? How is this helping? We need a broad coalition to fight this walking tumor.
The same broad coalition you didn't join by not voting for kamala? How many millions of people signed up for your mutual aid fund?
You don't represent the masses, you just think you do.
I voted for her. That doesn't mean the grievances against her aren't legitimate. How is this helping?
No, the grievances against her are not legitimate. You fell for a psyop. Missed the forest for the trees.
Uh huh. You're right and everything else is a psyop. And I'm the dogmatic one. I hope you'll at least join us when we're fighting in the streets.
I'll be voting for the most progressive viable candidate. If that's kamala or AOC or Gavin newsom, yeah we might lose, but that's not going to stop me from vocally supporting them over some joker like Jill Stein who has literally zero chance and knows it.
Radical left wing politicians are not electable outside of small college towns. Democrats, and Americans more generally are not radically left wing. Calling for the death of America, or Israel, or any country really, is not a position that will win you a general election in this country.
Swing and a miss bud
Remember they voted for the driver and we all have to be onboard for the car crash.
It's not a car crash for them.
They just want to make the rest of the country a vile sewer like the south is.
They simply can't process why everyone isn't celebrating the chance to be cruel racists, it's like people hating ice cream to them.
Agreed 100% I work around people that are Ride Or Die Trump supporters, and they are fully on board with crashing everything so as long as they get to own the Libs.
A magat would gladly allow trump to shit in their mouth if a "lib" had to smell it.
Hitler completely dismantled democracy in 53 days. Trump has been in office for 88 days.
The Weimarer Republic was a very young democracy, it existed only for 15 years and before that Germany was a monarchy. Trump is dismantling the oldest democracy at the moment
I don't think the US is the oldest democracy as San Marino has been around for a long ass time.
When exactly you consider San Marino an Independent entity could be debated but def older than the US.
To be fair, that country has a population of 30K. For comparison, my town's population is 200K. But still an interesting case nonetheless.
I think at the time they didn't believe a republic could really work for a large expansive country and would just use it for smaller city states. Hence why Florence and Venice and San Marino were Republics but then Naples and Sicily were monarchies.
To add to what you're saying, the Weimar republic was not a really a democracy when Hitler got in power; it was already ruled by decree, with a reactionary minority (Hindenburg, Papen, Schleicher and al) aiming to ignore parliament and preserve the nobility.
In early 1933 a German observer might have hoped the authoritarian trend was just a temporary thing and the presidential clique would have to bend to the parliament eventually, since they were continually losing support.
I just saw this poll (not mine and cannot verify integrity), that if accurate, would suggest Maga are loving it.
I genuinely think that most maga just are fully uneducated about what is currently happening. Most probably don't even know that people have been disappeared. Their bubble is so fucking densely packed with stupid, nothing real gets in
nothing is more damaging to a society than the willfully ignorant.
Even if they do know, they almost certainly are buying into the 'he's a criminal and deserves to be deported' bit.
they are constantly distracted with outrage, so they dont know the actual things are going on.
Ironic. that phrase coming from Lemmy is le pure distilled irony hahaha
I agree. But it is true. The difference in the outrage is whether anything is verifiable.
We have facts, they have fee fees
Tbf, we've spent the last 8+ years making sure echo chambers become the name of the game and completely breaking down discourse from "across the aisle" so to speak to the degree where we mostly don't interact with them, and they mostly don't interact with us. We've set it up like this seemingly intentionally, if all they do is watch fox and truth social and neither of those places are talking about it (tbf I'm kinda with you on this, idk if they are talking about it because I'm not there either, so), how can we expect them to have heard about it?
Like sure we're all aware of it here, where they aren't, but have they heard of it where they are? And how do we fix it, go there ourselves and tell them? Might be too late, tbh.
Something will have to happen that punches through all bubbles. I hate to say it but the most likely scenario at this point is a mass casualty event that is unquestionably perpetrated by the trump regime. May shock enough of them out of it, but likely would be spun as justified somehow.
That's it though. I can't think of anything else.
I have ran into them and most didn't even know the guy they sent to El Salvador was fully legal
So what you're telling me is that across the board a third to half of all Americans are disgusting pigs who deserve everything that's coming for them?
I am sorry for the rest, but there's nothing I can do for them except saying migration also works the other way.
Exactly. As a European it's absolutely high time that we cut all ties with these lunatics and stop letting them into our continent!
I think the takeaway for me is that there is a decent % of humanity in every nation that see the world differently. We can only see what our mind is capable of.
The hard truth is that fascists cannot be redeemed or convinced. He was quite popular among a good portion of the German population long after the war. Even into the 1950s a large portion of the population still didn't accept Germany's responsibility for the war. The truth is a lot of the generation that was most affected by the Nazi propaganda, the age bracket that really voted Hitler into power? Most of them never lost those Nazi ideals and kept them right until they died of old age. There's a reason so many works of fiction in the second half of the 20th century feature groups of old Nazis working one evil scheme or another.
Satellite image from CECOT
That picture doesn't really show anything.
Germans in 1941: 🙈 well "prisons aren't supposed to be fun", these grainy "photos don't really show anything." "There are only 241 released deaths in the camps, I'm sure everything is completely fine there"
I think they mean it's hard to tell what the fuck is even in this picture it looks like there isn't even 241 pixels in it
There's only like two pixels. We need more info.
It looks like an orgy to me. This photo means nothing. CECOT needs to be shut down, but not because of this picture.
I noticed this when it was first was mentioned on conspiracy, it's probably a scrap yard or something, if El Salvador were going to start murdering people they would probably make sure to hide it from Google maps.
Why would they hide it? Who's going to do anything about it?
https://www.youtube.com/feed/library
This is not how you use this meme.
the problem, is the people currently protesting arnt magats, its only the progressive, not everyone is on board with that yet, until the republicans are doing it to, something will change.
How many have died so far on the el Salvador death camps?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/el-salvador-prisons-gangs-torture/
How does that compare to deaths in American prisons?
IMO can't compare it like that you would need a ratio. Like say they only have 200 people in the camps. That makes it a whole lot worse. If they have 5 million then having even a 1000 would be more 'reasonable'.
Wow 153 USA citizens?
You must be new here. People from other countries are still human beings.
Those are just the "documented" deaths.
We know that they shave their heads, number them, and make them not show their faces and treat them very similarly to another such camp
They only feed the inmates Rice, beans, a couple of veggies, etc.. And yet there is a meat pile next to a small building with red stains all around it and red stained drag marks. even though they don't use meat.
Please be accurate when you criticize the administration. No US citizen has been sent to El Salvador.The guy the SC told Trump to get back was a legal immigrant, and a citizen of El Salvador.Edit: Well. I'm embarrassed. I misread the meme and my brain skipped the "married to a" part.
Worth noting, though, Trump is talking about sending “homegrown criminal” to El Salvador prisons. Considering Trump does not define “criminal” as someone convicted of a crime, this is genuinely scary.
Rules for thee, not for me.
But if he sends a citizen we will totally do something about it then, right?
The courts will absolutely shake their fists furiously while the republicans in congress will sit on their thumbs while ceding all their power to the executive branch.
Democrats really have no power except to shut the government down. Hopefully they use that power in the fall.
Don't worry, Chuck Schumer will rally enough useful tools to keep the orphan crushing machine fully lubricated with blood.
do we actually know that no US citizen has been sent? Without due process, there's no way to confirm. Or am I missing something?
I actually misread the meme
Hey entwine, just an FYI -- Kilmar Ábrego García was not a legal immigrant. He was an illegal immigrant (of course, this doesn't mean he was charged with a crime) who was granted a protection from deportation to El Salvador by a US judge on the grounds that he would be in danger from El Salvadorean gangs. He has had a work permit since 2019.
Nevertheless, he was not granted due process and this administration is violating court orders.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/16/who-is-kilmar-abrego-garcia
Even criminals and illegal aliens are granted protection under the constitution too. Citizen or not, in the eyes of the law, they have the same (ignored) rights.
Right. Only reason I mention it is because entwine (rightly) noted we should be accurate when critizing the administration, and then accidentally inaccurately described him as a legal immigrant. Legal or not, it was a miscarriage of justice to send this man to El Salvador.
Completely agree. :)
I seem to be confused myself. All my news outlets are describing this man as a naturalized citizen and now you're saying he isn't?
This, I don't care if he's a shit bag. I know a lot of shit bags are in our country right now, some high up in government who admitted to being here illegally, does that mean we just send them to El Salvador?
Entry was unlawful, but was granted a status similar to asylum, I think.
That would make him legal, then.
Nevertheless, I misread the meme which never said he was a US citizen, so I was talking out of my ass.
I'm pretty sure they edited it when you pointed out the inaccuracy
I should've double-checked the meme before reposting. I'll edit it.
Yeh, use the wording: Legal Resident
Followed by US natural born citizens by year's end.
Year's end feels like forever away
I don't have up to date knowledge about this American stuff and what is happening but I'd like my gov to deport and send somewhere far away certain criminals. Why not send all convicted rapists and pedophiles to some desert. I think it should be nationality agnostic thing
Even if I agreed with the idea of non-reform prisons, there have been zero trials held to prove they were actually criminals. We aren't sending convicted rapists to the desert, we're sending people to a foreign prison, based on nothing but allegations.
Yeah I heard something about amurica, I was just saying unrelated to what is going on I think it isn’t the worst idea what I presented
It doesn’t surprise me that American execution of this idea is tabarded
I just wanted to make sure you understood that 'Murica can't be used as an example of your ideals, because it sorta sounded like you were trying to say you were in favor of what's going on.
Rehabilitation based prisons are more effective than punitive prisons anyways, so it becomes very difficult to argue that inhumane prisons are good for anything. I'm a victim, and don't believe my rapist should be tortured. If we had such a system, I would probably be even less inclined to report, because I don't think anybody deserves this pain, not even the people who perpetuate it.
The way this works is they make you feel so afraid of criminals that you want someone cruel in power to protect you from them.
Problem is they need to keep you afraid and keep on being cruel to maintain power. So they will constantly be adding groups of people to the list. The eventual outcome is you may be added to the list and sent to a gulag. But maybe if you're lucky you won't and you merely live in fear that your government will execute it's cruelty on you if you ever speak out.
Living in a system dominated by fear and cruelty isn't how I want to live. Why do you want to live that way?
I don’t know what you are talking about. There is no cruelty or fear. We just send the rapists and pedos in space or elsewhere. Somewhere far away
Is that causing you to tremble
75% of the people sent to CECOT from the US have no criminal record and might be completely innocent. It could be you, someone you know, or someone you might be able to scrounge up empathy for.
I'm not the one living in fear, you are.
I'm fine with criminals being held in a prison in my own country and still having human rights no matter what crime they committed because I haven't been made to be afraid of criminals. They're the criminals that did horrific things to people, I don't feel the need to do horrific things to criminals (which would make me the same as them) because I'm afraid.
I vote we send you first.
I didn’t commit any serious offences. We only should send precise group of offenders
That’s why you should send prisoners
So said by everyone unjustly imprisoned. Without due process, how would we know if that's true? May what you wish upon others happen to you first.
They can’t do that here, you have generally some rights before convicted
Yes and they used to have that in the U.S. as well, but surprise surprise! If you put an authoritarian in power, who delights in being cruel and punishing people, you tend to lose some of those precious rights.
Then maybe you shouldn’t vote on such candidate. It’s hard to protect every single law from being twisted when you elect some kind of
Well, I didn't vote for anyone in the U.S. since I don't live there.
But my point is, non-authoritarians wouldn't even suggest sending their own citizens to foreign prisons/camps. It's cruel and unnecessary and it doesn't solve the root of any issues. It's just offloading your problems onto someone else.
Hard to pick a fitting word. I think it is a category on its own
As I said not really. What I am talking about is semi related
It’s a general trend lately around the world to send immigrant prisoners away but I argue about making it nationality agnostic
Why should we only send away immigrant offenders when we can send all offenders somewhere?
This way we can avoid racism accusations
Somehow I doubt the desert will put up a good defense to this invasion to be honest. I don't know might be wrong, maybe the dromedaries will do napalm strikes to avenge the ruffled dunes
I guess so, it doesn’t matter what race would be the majority of destination inhabitants as long as it is hard to come back. Just send them away to the moon if that sounds better for ya
Or to mars
Not a novel idea I guess. That’s how modern Australia came to be
You don't seem to have up to date knowledge, period.
To be honest I am not so sure that rape is better than murder or torture. Not sure if I wouldn’t actually kill myself afterwards and believe me I am very mentally resistant person
Quick death isn’t the most horrible thing under the sun, pain is pain whether rape or torture but rape leaves holes in the soul that will never heal. It destroys you as a person.
On the outside you may still appear to walk, talk and eat but inside everything is dead, merely a shell remains. It is a death of sorts but without respite of nothingness
All three seem like just words here on the internet but behind all three are incredibly terrible stories that we are not able to truly comprehend.
The problem with the prison system here in the U.S. is that in a majority of states the counties' budget relies on income from maxed out prisons. It's a for-profit system, but there are very few private prisons compared to public prisons. The private prisons are even MORE incentivized to max out their population.
I don't like the idea of non-reform prisons because they don't even give someone a chance to try to recognize what they did was wrong and be able to change themselves in a meaningful way. Not to say that it happens in "reform" prisons here, but it's at least a chance.
The U.S. wouldn't have such a huge prison population if it wasn't essentially for-profit and if the "War on Drugs" didn't happen, among other things.
But the issue right now isn't even what you're talking about. The U.S. is grabbing "illegal immigrants" off the street regardless of immigration status now and sending them to a prison in El Salvador. They are trying to declare all of these people "dead" in the Social Security "Death Master File" which essentially locks these people out of any bank accounts, credit, jobs, etc so they self-deport before being disappeared.
Once they have all "illegal" immigrants out of the country, then they will focus on what Elon Musk calls "parasites": people on disability or any kind of government assistance because these people (including myself) are seen as a drain on the federal government and since Trump can't stop the funding to these agencies he's going through the back door and looking for "fraud" but recognize that "mistakes will be made" thus causing all kinds of problems for legal U.S. citizens.
Then when he's done with them, he'll move on to people who don't identify with the gender they were born as. Technically he's already making their lives hell by doing things like requiring all government documents to show the gender a person was born as, not what they identify as, regardless if any transitions were made or not. For those who have already transitioned they are kinda of in limbo now because their documentation states something that they essentially aren't.
They only care about the second amendment…and then the first amendment when they show that they’re an asshole on social media and get called out for it. I don’t think they learned the others that trump is currently wiping his ass with.
Soctus
Scrotus
Scrotum
Because they only protect the millionaires
Are you suggesting testies are millionaires? Castrations bout to become a new trend?
Off with their nards!
I didn't expect Trump to attack the military.
If he wants troops in the streets he has to follow the chain of command; if the top brass decide it's an illegal order they won't do anything.
He is trying to install only loyalist, and removing"DEI" material in the academies
https://youtu.be/HWL06waOAGw
"7 Days In May" Thriller about a military coup against the President.
Saw it when I was a kid; never thought I'd be rooting for the generals.
It’s a Luigi time!
Political dissidents , if they are using commerical planes, why not cause a scene and deplane everyone?
I was hoping this was the onion.
I'm gonna keep saying that USA is bending over and taking it all in the GOP (grand ole pooper).
Who's the citizen?
I think the meme means Abrego Garcia, who was a legal resident, not a citizen.
Thx. Thought that was the case but didn't know if I missed news on someone else being kidnapped
If you did, I did too. Or maybe it's just a matter of time.
I wasn’t surprised since as soon as he won he was doing a lot of things. He wasn’t even president then.
George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
What will it take for these poor saps to wake up.
They've downed half a bottle of whiskey to avoid being 'woke'.
That whiskey was just to help wash down the bottle of Ambien.
Amen brother
Hindsight
Well said.
I don’t get all the misspellings these days. What’s a SOCTUS?
How hard is it to check spelling?
It's the Supremely Official Court That's Undermining Sanity.
It drives engagement.
I see so many videos with wrong "subtitles" (sorry, flashing the word as it is said is an annoying way to subtitle your videos, they're not proper subtitles), people don't have to proof their text anymore and it generates interaction. Stupid AF.
You can't parse that one out?