Quickly becoming his go to play. It's how he pushed through tariffs and how he was able to auto deport all those people. There's probably more that I'm unaware of but the amount of national emergencies the man has declared so far is kinda crazy
It's kind of a case by case basis is my understanding. The president does have pretty broad emergency powers but the courts can block any individual one if they feel it's overstepping.
Building "freedom cities" for billionaires, maybe. In his '23 announcement, it specifically stated:
Freedom Cities will be built on federal land that is undeveloped and not part of any of our country’s magnificent national parks or other natural treasures.
Which I assume means they'll be built on your parks?
(for anyone scrolling past like, "wtf are freedom cities" - it's feudalism. The Company Town. Literally lords and serfs type shit. Plenty of good places to read more about it, but here's one to start.)
Perhaps to mitigate the repercussions from tariffs on lumber from Canada. We saw a bailout for farmers impacted by his previous tariffs, the administration may actually believe the national forests can save Trump from the consequences of his actions.
We know why. Because Trump sees no value in anything beyond being right. He is right to tariff Canada, because the Canadians are mean. And he is right to have national parks stripped bare, because Canada is tariffed. It's just flawless logic. /s
Check out where our forests were at at the end of the 1800’s. 90% of the trees in Michigan were gone. All current forests are new growth and under 150 years old here in Michigan.
Please stop spouting this propaganda. We have less than 2 decades of western white civilisation left. Other continents far less. It’s not helpful and it propagates this hopium and drives people to complacency.
E: your downvotes are as futile as the hopium propaganda. Truth hurts, but sets you free.
People don't seem to be aware that there are estimates that there could be 1.2 BILLION climate refugees by 2050. And it's not like they all just decide to migrate in that year.
We think things look fascist now? If we do not stomp out fascism immediately, there's going to be mass genocide. If people stop being complacent right now, we could do so much better.
Yep. There this complacent coddling that seems to have happened where people sit on fences for eons
“Let’s wait and see if we really do break 1.5ºC of warming. It’s too early to tell now”
“Let’s wait and see if Trump does full Hitler. He’s got a unique style, but so many people voting for him can’t be wrong”
“Let’s wait and see if we need to divest our USA interests and our military reliance. They have a difficult moment now, but surely will bounce back. They always have”
In a way, during peacetime, there is a sense of security in that fence sitting, but now, during wartime, it is the thing that costs hundreds of thousands of lives.
A massive chunk of the Antarctic shelf broke free last month. Researchers got an ROV there the next day and found an ecosystem that was entirely cut off from the world for centuries. Life will survive, even if humanity doesn’t.
Chernobyl is teeming with life and we royally fucked that up. Organisms have been found that eat oil and plastic. Humans are fragile. Life as a whole is not. Flora and fauna will persist and bounce back long after we fucked off.
Even if technically correct, this kind of attitude justifies encourages pricks like Trump to misquote using only the first part, then proceed to more shit like this.
Cool story. Doesn't make it any less true. And the reason why people keep saying it is because they are equally tired of the "OMG the planet is dying and we are destroying all life" chorus. We know. We don't need more "awareness" raised for this problem, we need viable solutions. Ones that take the general population's propensity for shitty behavior into account.
So you want people to shut up about it so we can ignore it? Do you think the oil industry stopped their propaganda machine? The current president publicly claims climate change isn't real ffs.
If you actually consciously posted that because you're tired of the "our planet is dying" crowd, you are actually a legit mouthpiece spreading oil propoganda. Just wow.
Your reading comprehension sucks. I said give me solutions. It's kind of hard to want solutions if you think there's no problem.
And what the US president says has no bearing on this. The rest of the world already knows he's a malicious actor; we're just waiting for the Americans to get off their asses and do something about him.
And the reason why people keep saying it is because they are equally tired of the "OMG the planet is dying and we are destroying all life" chorus. We know. We don't need more "awareness" raised for this problem
Is this not more then half your comment?
We clearly need more awareness if in our current predicament, someone like trump can get elected. The fact is the environment is nowhere near high enough on the list of priorities of most governments.
We also have solutions but we aren't implementing them mainly because the goverments would rather protect their oil and car industries amongst others.
You think volume of text dictates what the final conclusion of a comment is? This is why I was questioning your reading comprehension.
And the car thing is exactly what I'm talking about when I said elsewhere that a "solution" is only a real solution if it takes peoples' behavior into account. The reality is, people are not going to give up their cars. It isn't going to happen (in North America, at least). So if any solution tries to include not driving as an integral part, it will fail. Hence the push for electric vehicles. Even if the grid were 100% fossil fuel based, electric cars would still be drastically better. Plus, it's a lot easier to build out renewable grid power than it is to change peoples lifestyles.
Well it might be true, but so are most platitudes. So instead of wasting internet, pick up a stick and kick the orange, or come up with a better solution than truisms that make more harm than good
What is "it" and what is "true"? Besides some of the biggest concepts the human mind can concieve. Okay, no, fine, let's just put it in dead simple terms: human life will end in preventable, miserable horror and animal life will do the same, but rocks and amoebas may survive and barf out some other complex life forms someday.
I guess we'll never know because we won't be here but also the idea that that happens at all is just the best guess we've all agreed to for now. Maybe it's true, maybe not. Ha ha ha. Pithy!
We don't need more "awareness" raised for this problem, we need viable solutions. Ones that take the general population's propensity for shitty behavior into account.
So we're all "aware" huh. That doesn't track with what I'm seeing but if you say so. And we already have the solutions, as you know. Have had since the 80s, ironically(?). "The population"'s propensity for shitty behavior notwithstanding.
If your solutions that you've had since the 80's don't account for people's behavior, then you don't actually have a solution.
It's like the old joke with school physics problems always starting with "ignoring forces of friction and assuming a point mass...". Yeah you can do that math and come up with an answer, but if you try to apply that answer to real life, it will likely not even come close to working.
Once again, we find out most of the past presidents just obeyed decorum and norms... Did no one consider that a bad-faith president would just say, "uh...'EMERGENCY!' " then he's allowed to bypass Congress and just do whatever the fuck he wants!?
Afaik congress could stop him, revoking his "emergency tariff powers" and revoking the emergency itself. But they won't. Like Trump, they only seek power.
Incidentally this is the reason the judiciary power in other democracies is self governed (e.g., judges elect their own supreme court) and parties in the judiciary are forbidden
"Emergency orders" designed to protect this country in case we're attacked are being used by presidents to sidestep the constitutional as it regards separation of powers. It's about time this shit came to an end also.
I guess America needed a declaration of emergency in domestic timber supply, caused by the declaration of an emergency of having friends as trading partners for timber 🦫...
They sure do! And they still ruin expensive lumber mill equipment. Just a few trees can make an entire logging job unprofitable and not worth the risk.
Bonus, it's a felony to spike a tree, so you'd qualify for being president as well!
But, if I had to make something up on the fly, I would get a length of rebar and cut it in half at an angle so you get two equal lengths spikes, then I would find out what size trees are most likely to be targeted in a logging campaign, then climb up to that height on the tree and hammer them in.
Bleach, in the radiator mythbusters did this one, sugar won't even slow down a modern engine, water is kind of shitty but you can just drain it and restart. Bleach in the radiator will age the engine by a decade for every 10 minutes its running.
That's also what concrete delivery guys use to stop the mix from curing in the hopper when their truck gets delayed or breaks down. (Well, more specifically, soda -- not sure if the carbonation is also significant.)
Its the sugar, it slows the curing of the concrete but doesn't stop it entirely. Over about 2% concentration by weight it begins to affect the strength of the finished concrete though.
That includes almost all remaining old growth forests. Almost all of the areas he chose are old growth forests. Here's a map of all remaining old growth forests in the US for comparison.
No. You'd be surprised. Old growth specifically means forests where the trees are older than 200 years on average. If you include mature forests, which are defined as 80-200 years old on average, the amount of forest becomes much larger.
But also consider how much there used to be, and how much disappeared. The US was the first place in the world to really add forest protections. Theodore Roosevelt alone set aside over 150 million acres as national forests at the turn of the 20th century. We're insanely lucky that happened. I've been lucky enough to have traveled to and seen national forests in almost every US state. It makes me die inside knowing they might get cut down now.
When the Ents had reduced a large part of the southern walls to rubbish, and what was left of his people had bolted and deserted him, Saruman fled in a panic. He seems to have been at the gates when we arrived: I expect he came to watch his splendid army march out. When the Ents broke their way in, he left in a hurry. They did not spot him at first. But the night had opened out, and there was a great light of stars, quite enough for Ents to see by, and suddenly Quickbeam gave a cry "The tree-killer, the tree-killer!" Quickbeam is a gentle creature, but he hates Saruman all the more fiercely for that: his people suffered cruelly from orc-axes. He leapt down the path from the inner gate, and he can move like a wind when he is roused. There was a pale figure hurrying away in and out of the shadows of the pillars, and it had nearly reached the stairs to the tower-door. But it was a near thing. Quickbeam was so hot after him, that he was within a step or two of being caught and strangled when he slipped in through the door.
Shipping it to Gaza to build his casinos, resorts and condos for his Russian buddies. Israel is just about done genociding so the shipments have to start soon.
I wouldn't go anywhere near it. Those luxury condos, resorts, hotels, and casinos that Kushner has been negotiating for since immediately after Oct 7, are going to be prime targets for terrorism for YEARS, and I won't be sorry about it at all.
The entire region is going to be a heavily militarized zone. That's a fun vacation.
While we all ignored our local and county elections, while we ignored our neighborhoods and “avoided conflict” by only attacking other leftists for not being pure enough
there are plenty of blue states, blue counties, etc. this sure as hell isn't an 'all of us' problem.
do you remember when in minecraft you chopped down a forest for wood and didn't replant it? remember how you had to go to triple the distance to find another one, wasting even more time?
This motherfucker wants to clear cut the boundary waters. All these special areas destroyed because they're not a beach side golf course or some tacky casino.
This is the exact same tactic this regime will use on the 20th of April to declare martial law. I’m really curious how long it took the Germans in the late 1930’s to call it what it was.
This is a coup d’etat. Lots of people will die. The regime - even if DJT dies or gets shot - will go on. There won’t be any more fair elections. I hope these protests go from 5 million to 10 million on Saturday, because only a mass movement can stop this.
*mass armed movement they don't care if 100 million person manifest if they fear nothing after that and no they don't need a reason for martial law still gonna happen with only peaceful protest
I thought when talking about the USA the arms and violence is implied. Though, historically it is curious how the French with a notorious lack of weapons wreak more havoc than them 2nd amendment folks.
Yeah I read the first sentence of the post in the image, and closed the page. No, the movement of the planets doesn't mean Trump is declaring martial law on 4/20. For fuck sake...
If you want to go that fast and only look at the pretty picture, maybe go read comic books. It’s not just astrology bullshit. Horoscopes are bullshit, astrology when done well can be scarily accurate. Plus I’m not using astrology as the trend setter, but the trend confirmer.
The key thing you refused to read is that Musk is in charge, he’s a proven neo Nazi, and particularly adores Hitler. The rest you’ll have to read yourself. Or you can pander here for some more cheap upvotes.
PS: please lemmy, can we raise the level of discourse please and not upvote these populist comments? Stay on reddit if you just want to be a walking regex that sees “astrology” + “bullshit” = upvote.
You are the one making the claim ("astrology is real") and therefore the honus is on you to provide evidence. And the saying holds true. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
And you cannot provide that because it does not exist.
Edit: I just had another thought about your initial claim... You said that it works "when done correctly."
I'm wondering, how does one know if the astrology was done correctly aside from the prediction ending up being correct? So wouldn't that be a tautology?
It would be like saying that, "if you flip a coin correctly, it will always end up on tails," with the only measure of success being "it landed on tails, therefore you flipped it correctly." Therefore, by definition, flipping a coin "correctly" has a 100% success rate.
It doesn’t matter what you believe you don’t have to try and convince other people that you were right and other people
I was merely using astrology to corroborate something that was already pointed out with an abundance of other really good arguments.
To me you’re just a Muppet who will dismiss the discovery of a cure for cancer because the researcher said he found a cure of cancer on his birthday. Babies and bathwater and stuff
If you think that the wealthy and the powerful of the world don’t use astrology to time their events, that’s when you lose all credibility with me.
Lol, as I just pointed out in my other comment, you’re someone who sees a picture and jumps to conclusions. Don’t brigade and attempt to rob others who want to read the entire linked article.
I’m really curious how long it took the Germans in the late 1930’s to call it what it was.
In Germany, by 1934 the regime had publicly admitted murdering hundreds of their opponents without trial.
And written a law after the fact which simply stated: "The measures taken on June 30, July 1 and 2, 1934 are lawful as state self-defense."
Germans knew.
I agree. But I’m just wondering if they went to the butcher to get a bit of meat if they were a acknowledging that they were living under a dictatorial regime right now?
Up until late 1944 or early 1945, most people basically just kept living their lives normally, while making some secret jokes about the regime, being annoyed by the constant air raid sirens, complaining about food shortages, actively looking away when their Jewish neighbors were arrested, and mourning their dead sons, yes.
On another thread, another lemming explained that our logging industry can't even use the trees from national parks because we've specialized all of our mills to specifically sized (and possibly specific kinds of?) trees. The trees from national parks would basically just end up being used for pulp instead of building homes or something.
You think anyone in this administration gives a shit about the housing situation!? This is an article about our (We The People) national forests! They're stripping the country for parts. Fuck, when's the next date we all protest and march!?
Yeah American lumber is heavily reliant on forestry since in the long run it's easier, why fuck around building infrastructure and moving equipment when you can just set a couple acres aside and cut them every couple of years. Also I'm pretty sure this also applies to our pulp production so even that would make it a waste of time to go after national forests.
We may actually entirely side step Trump's stupidity and evilness on this simply because the industry has moved on from clear cutting. Also while there are probably some mills that can process Lumber from the parks they are probably specialized and also have their own designated forests, for example the guys who process Lumber for the USS Constitution.
I never underestimate the capacity of capital to fuck shit up. I imagine some dill weed with more money than God is going to monopolize the rights, cut all the trees down that they can, and sit around waiting for someone to come begging to pay them a grip for that lumber. When a buyer never materializes, it'll all just be left to rot under armed guard or burned to keep people from doing anything useful with it. Then they'll turn around and get a fat tax write off / insurance payout, do five more lines of blow to see if they feel anything yet, and call up the five senators they bought this year to encourage them to send more (poor) drug users to private prisons.
We're importing too much of our lumber from a foreign country (Canada), which is a national security risk to the lumber-consuming parts of our economy. I wish I were joking.
Hypothetically, would literal tree-hugging (i.e. chaining myself to a tree) be an effective method of protest and prevention? Would the loggers cut me down anyways? Just a random thought.
Depends on what you mean by "effective." It might delay them for a few hours or a day. There's a long history of this kind of thing, although it's usually more effective to do a treesit rather than a lockdown for trees. You could do a lockdown on equipment like bulldozers/feller bunchers though. The Earth First! Direct Action Manual has a lot of info.
Be prepared to be literally tortured in various ways, including pepperspray placed directly in your eyes, pain compliance holds, or they just cut the chains/lockbox you're in and if you get cut with it too bad.
Personally I'm not a big fan of get-arrested-on-purpose types of direct action, but it has its uses. I strongly recommend that if you're going to do something like this you connect with a group that knows how to do it and you have a support crew, including jail/legal support.
Sure, lab safety goggles will protect you from pepper spray in most instances. But what eye protection you're wearing won't matter. You're chained to a tree. The cops can do literally anything they want to you, including ripping your safety glasses off and emptying a can of pepper spray directly in your eyes. See: the infamous case of the Pepper Spray 8
Deputies pepper sprayed Mike McCurdy (above) and Noel Tendick directly in the eyes at close range while they were locked together through the tracks of a Pacific Lumber bulldozer on an old-growth redwood logging site. The activists endured the torture and did not unlock. Deputies then safely cut them loose with a portable grinder, as they could have done without using pepper spray, and as they had done hundreds of times in previous years.
That relies on the loggers fearing a murder charge. In Trump's America, would a logger be charged with murder for "accidentally" killing a tree hugging protestor?
Oh it looks like the area I hunt is in there. Damnit it was getting nice finally from when it was planted decades ago. Second generation trees are getting good sized.
I was just in a national park and thinking to myself "damn, this place has too many trees! We should really cut a bunch down to make room for a Wal-Mart."
To quote local shitstain Mike Davis, who was SUPER TOTALLY JUST JOKING "I want to drag their dead political bodies through the streets, burn them, and throw them off the wall." Which, you know, same to you buddy.
National Forests and National Parks are different things and are managed by different departments.
National Parks (like Yellowstone) are managed by the National Parks Service and we're put aside for conservation and public access. They are protected in perpetuity. As much of a shit head Trump is and as terrible as the Republicans are, I don't think they could actually open these up.
Meanwhile, National Forests are managed by the Department of Agriculture. They were specifically put aside to be public land and to protect the US lumber industry. The rules have been slowly opened up to allow private purchase (for individuals and ranches) and different types of resource gathering (mostly fishing and ore mining, with some oil mining).
I think a lot of people in this thread are mixing up the two as well. National Forests are specifically used for resource gathering and more resource gathering isn't out of the ordinary for these parks.
Hey! I learned a lot about Mermaids from those documentaries. You cant find that kind of fact-based research in the Mainstream Media. Liberals hate Mermaids, and they aren't real big on Unicorns, either.
The upward movement of the Yellowstone caldera floor between 2004 and 2008—almost 75 millimetres (3.0 in) each year—was more than three times greater than ever observed since such measurements began in 1923
Growing up, I watched Star Trek and ST: Next Gen. I always wondered how we could get to a kinder, more tolerant society like theirs. As I learned more about the back story, it turns out that there was a massive nuclear world war in the mid-21st century that did massive damage to the world. The society that Star Trek represents rose from the ashes of that war.
I always hoped we could reach a tolerant society without going through that, but its starting to look remarkably prescient.
It used to seem there would be this universe without money or religion, and then we got to DS9, and saw the Bajoran religion, the Ferengi obsession with profit, and the gambling at Quarks.
it turns out that there was a massive nuclear world war in the mid-21st century that did massive damage to the world.
By the Trek timeline, that war literally starts next year and runs for thirty years. Mankind only starts to pull it's head out of it's ass because of first contact with the Vulcans, and that only happens because they happened to have a ship in the system when the guy building the first experimental warp engine takes it on it's first successful test flight in 2063.
Just be careful and never cut a hydraulic hose with any of your body parts near the cut. Hydraulic injection injuries look terrible. Similar for large truck tires, those are not like a tiny cybertruck tires, they can blow up and cause injury.
Luckily the hose popped first thing in the morning, so it wasn't hot yet. In an unrelated matter, WD-40 hurts like a bitch too. Dont stick your eye in that.
Guns don't need wood parts anymore. I believe billionaire biomaterials work better? I'd say some testing is on order. We need some billionaires. I believe the bones are probably the sturdiest parts. And their teeth have gold.
That's because we are a part of nature and we leave footprints like everything else. Change isn't bad, in fact it's a good thing. It's why things evolve. The problem is the velocity of change is too fast for other parts of our ecosystem to keep up. It's like catching a ball. Every little bit counts.
Conservative stopped being about conservation before they were ever related. Some conservatives of yesteryear were conservationists, but most were merely at the smallest, most local of levels.
Not gonna work. They're living beings like you, that sort of thing causes infections, by the time that a blade would hit something like that, it would likely kill the tree regardless.
Tree law is really insane in other places. The UK has a registry of protected trees. Would be wonderful to see something like that after the oroborus is dead.
Trees with rebar in them are cut all the time. Loggers are trained to examine the trees for signs before cutting into it - your rebar will leave visible scars for years, and the logger will see those signs and cut in a different area to avoid it.
I am a trained logger - I volunteer with a local youth camp clearing dead trees.
Everything else aside... What the fuck is so urgent about cutting down forests that you need a emergency order to green-light it?
Nothing. The "emergency order" is entirely so he doesn't have to go through Congress to do it.
“I can do anything I want if it’s an emergency!”
Dang i wonder if we can find example of emergency powers eroding democracy in the past now...
Of course I'll resign as dictator after the emergency is over, fellow Romans! This is the way it's always been done!
Not from a jedi...
"And I get to say when it's an emergency!"
Quickly becoming his go to play. It's how he pushed through tariffs and how he was able to auto deport all those people. There's probably more that I'm unaware of but the amount of national emergencies the man has declared so far is kinda crazy
But does this type of EO have legal backing?
It's kind of a case by case basis is my understanding. The president does have pretty broad emergency powers but the courts can block any individual one if they feel it's overstepping.
Almost like they're fully comforatble with reckless corruption.
They are fully comfortable with reckless profits. Corruption is just the price to pay.
Building "freedom cities" for billionaires, maybe. In his '23 announcement, it specifically stated:
Which I assume means they'll be built on your parks?
(for anyone scrolling past like, "wtf are freedom cities" - it's feudalism. The Company Town. Literally lords and serfs type shit. Plenty of good places to read more about it, but here's one to start.)
Perhaps to mitigate the repercussions from tariffs on lumber from Canada. We saw a bailout for farmers impacted by his previous tariffs, the administration may actually believe the national forests can save Trump from the consequences of his actions.
Maybe because the dumb fuck instituted tariffs that makes lumber prohibitively expensive? I don't know. Nothing makes any fucking sense anymore.
Have to urgently circumvent Congress.
I don't think we have the sawmill capacity.
Millions of prisoners with hand tools can do that job.
and its the forests timber is not even good quality too.
probably something to distract the masses, from all the federal cuts, and tariffs from the news,
In 200 years people will ask in disbelief why such old forests were logged down.
IM ASKING THAT NOW!!
We know why. Because Trump sees no value in anything beyond being right. He is right to tariff Canada, because the Canadians are mean. And he is right to have national parks stripped bare, because Canada is tariffed. It's just flawless logic. /s
That’s if the planet survives till then, which at the rate things are going no way we make it that long
The planet will be just fine. I'd wager that life will continue, the earth will still be filled with living creatures for a long time to come.
It just won't include us. Or most of the things we care about.
I feel bad for all the creatures that we will be taking down with us.
The planet will survive. Humans may not survive, but I'm no longer so sure that's a bad thing...
Check out where our forests were at at the end of the 1800’s. 90% of the trees in Michigan were gone. All current forests are new growth and under 150 years old here in Michigan.
An optimist in our midst
I don't think we have much of any old growth forests left even before this honestly.
mostly the pacific northwest. where also the giant and coastal redwood is.
The answer is because patriots aren't willing to defend them by force.
Please stop spouting this propaganda. We have less than 2 decades of western white civilisation left. Other continents far less. It’s not helpful and it propagates this hopium and drives people to complacency.
E: your downvotes are as futile as the hopium propaganda. Truth hurts, but sets you free.
People don't seem to be aware that there are estimates that there could be 1.2 BILLION climate refugees by 2050. And it's not like they all just decide to migrate in that year.
We think things look fascist now? If we do not stomp out fascism immediately, there's going to be mass genocide. If people stop being complacent right now, we could do so much better.
I don't have my hopes up though.
Yep. There this complacent coddling that seems to have happened where people sit on fences for eons
“Let’s wait and see if we really do break 1.5ºC of warming. It’s too early to tell now” “Let’s wait and see if Trump does full Hitler. He’s got a unique style, but so many people voting for him can’t be wrong” “Let’s wait and see if we need to divest our USA interests and our military reliance. They have a difficult moment now, but surely will bounce back. They always have”
In a way, during peacetime, there is a sense of security in that fence sitting, but now, during wartime, it is the thing that costs hundreds of thousands of lives.
We’re in for a really tough ride.
Also, for those interested, there are safe spaces for people who have come off the fence. [email protected] and [email protected] and [email protected] being the most prominent on Lemmy atm.
Pointing out imminent collapse is white replacement stuff how exactly? What even could white replacement mean in this context?
Yeah that was my bad, sorry. I misread another comment.
Sorry, sorry, sorry....
All good brother
Damn, that bait is so obvious, a newborn fish just looked at me like I was crazy for thinking it would fall for it.
I love that this map still has the Gulf of Mexico.
I hate that this will be done to our national forests. They're a natural treasure and should be protected for so many reasons.
It was nice to have a planet while it lasted, I guess.
Don't worry. The planet will be fine. We may not be around, but life will persist.
First of all I'm not even sure about that. Well, I guess the tardigrades will make it. Secondly, that thought still does not fill me with joy.
A massive chunk of the Antarctic shelf broke free last month. Researchers got an ROV there the next day and found an ecosystem that was entirely cut off from the world for centuries. Life will survive, even if humanity doesn’t.
Some life. A very little.
There only needs to be a little. That's how evolution works...
Maybe
The earth has literally gone through more rapid climate changes in the past.
Chernobyl is teeming with life and we royally fucked that up. Organisms have been found that eat oil and plastic. Humans are fragile. Life as a whole is not. Flora and fauna will persist and bounce back long after we fucked off.
Even if technically correct, this kind of attitude
justifiesencourages pricks like Trump to misquote using only the first part, then proceed to more shit like this.Really tired of this response. It's old. like, 80's old. It was funny at first.
Cool story. Doesn't make it any less true. And the reason why people keep saying it is because they are equally tired of the "OMG the planet is dying and we are destroying all life" chorus. We know. We don't need more "awareness" raised for this problem, we need viable solutions. Ones that take the general population's propensity for shitty behavior into account.
So you want people to shut up about it so we can ignore it? Do you think the oil industry stopped their propaganda machine? The current president publicly claims climate change isn't real ffs.
If you actually consciously posted that because you're tired of the "our planet is dying" crowd, you are actually a legit mouthpiece spreading oil propoganda. Just wow.
Your reading comprehension sucks. I said give me solutions. It's kind of hard to want solutions if you think there's no problem.
And what the US president says has no bearing on this. The rest of the world already knows he's a malicious actor; we're just waiting for the Americans to get off their asses and do something about him.
Is this not more then half your comment?
We clearly need more awareness if in our current predicament, someone like trump can get elected. The fact is the environment is nowhere near high enough on the list of priorities of most governments.
We also have solutions but we aren't implementing them mainly because the goverments would rather protect their oil and car industries amongst others.
You think volume of text dictates what the final conclusion of a comment is? This is why I was questioning your reading comprehension.
And the car thing is exactly what I'm talking about when I said elsewhere that a "solution" is only a real solution if it takes peoples' behavior into account. The reality is, people are not going to give up their cars. It isn't going to happen (in North America, at least). So if any solution tries to include not driving as an integral part, it will fail. Hence the push for electric vehicles. Even if the grid were 100% fossil fuel based, electric cars would still be drastically better. Plus, it's a lot easier to build out renewable grid power than it is to change peoples lifestyles.
Well it might be true, but so are most platitudes. So instead of wasting internet, pick up a stick and kick the orange, or come up with a better solution than truisms that make more harm than good
What is "it" and what is "true"? Besides some of the biggest concepts the human mind can concieve. Okay, no, fine, let's just put it in dead simple terms: human life will end in preventable, miserable horror and animal life will do the same, but rocks and amoebas may survive and barf out some other complex life forms someday.
I guess we'll never know because we won't be here but also the idea that that happens at all is just the best guess we've all agreed to for now. Maybe it's true, maybe not. Ha ha ha. Pithy!
So we're all "aware" huh. That doesn't track with what I'm seeing but if you say so. And we already have the solutions, as you know. Have had since the 80s, ironically(?). "The population"'s propensity for shitty behavior notwithstanding.
If your solutions that you've had since the 80's don't account for people's behavior, then you don't actually have a solution.
It's like the old joke with school physics problems always starting with "ignoring forces of friction and assuming a point mass...". Yeah you can do that math and come up with an answer, but if you try to apply that answer to real life, it will likely not even come close to working.
It’s alright. We made some killer shareholder value. Can’t wait to tell the grandkids that, assuming I live that long.
Once again, we find out most of the past presidents just obeyed decorum and norms... Did no one consider that a bad-faith president would just say, "uh...'EMERGENCY!' " then he's allowed to bypass Congress and just do whatever the fuck he wants!?
Hey, that's emergency golfing to you, buddy!
Break in and plant trees all over the fairway and turn the green into a pond.
18 times.
On all his golf courses.
No, not against just him, against the entire party supporting him.
Also that the emergency has been created by him ergo not really an emergency
Afaik congress could stop him, revoking his "emergency tariff powers" and revoking the emergency itself. But they won't. Like Trump, they only seek power.
Yeah, these Republicans are absolute enablers. It's pathetic...
We need to start using the right words.
They aren't just enablers.
They are traitors.
There are 3 powers here supposed to balance:
Guess who scored all of them?
Incidentally this is the reason the judiciary power in other democracies is self governed (e.g., judges elect their own supreme court) and parties in the judiciary are forbidden
But… well… here we are 🤷♂️
We went over this with bush 2 and decided the answer is basically yes. Otherwise it'd be letting the terrorists win
"Emergency orders" designed to protect this country in case we're attacked are being used by presidents to sidestep the constitutional as it regards separation of powers. It's about time this shit came to an end also.
If everything is an emergency then nothing is our you simply cannot govern.
I guess America needed a declaration of emergency in domestic timber supply, caused by the declaration of an emergency of having friends as trading partners for timber 🦫...
So many emergencies - we're being attacked on all sides... by industrialists.
How are Congress and Senate okay with just being made completely redundant? Don't they have at least a modicum of professional pride?
Apparently none whatsoever.
Remember: a can of expanding foam can disable most any vehicle when sprayed in the right places.
Do chainsaws still snap and maim their wielders when they hit rebar in trees?
They sure do! And they still ruin expensive lumber mill equipment. Just a few trees can make an entire logging job unprofitable and not worth the risk.
Bonus, it's a felony to spike a tree, so you'd qualify for being president as well!
How do you put rebar in a tree tho? Purely hypothetical
Hypothetically, I would look up how to do it.
But, if I had to make something up on the fly, I would get a length of rebar and cut it in half at an angle so you get two equal lengths spikes, then I would find out what size trees are most likely to be targeted in a logging campaign, then climb up to that height on the tree and hammer them in.
Hypothetically.
Thank you! Hypothetically.
A pound of sugar in a gas tank is also an option.
Sugar in a gas tank will only really clog the fuel filter. Sucrose doesn't dissolve in gasoline. Water in the fuel would be more harmful than sugar.
Mothballs.
Or squirt super glue in the locks.
Sand+oil+paint mixture on the windows.
Stuff the radiator full of dryer lint.
There is no shortage of ways to cheaply and quickly fuck up equipment.
Acetone fucks your paint up, which probably costs more than replacing the lock.
We used JB Weld in door locks. No getting that off with acetone.
Bleach, in the radiator mythbusters did this one, sugar won't even slow down a modern engine, water is kind of shitty but you can just drain it and restart. Bleach in the radiator will age the engine by a decade for every 10 minutes its running.
Can't find that one -- did you mean bleach in the oil tank?
https://mythresults.com/episode15
That might be it!
That's also what concrete delivery guys use to stop the mix from curing in the hopper when their truck gets delayed or breaks down. (Well, more specifically, soda -- not sure if the carbonation is also significant.)
Its the sugar, it slows the curing of the concrete but doesn't stop it entirely. Over about 2% concentration by weight it begins to affect the strength of the finished concrete though.
All these vehicles have fleet keys. No one is worried about someone stealing a logger
Fuck, some of that will be last remaining old growth, forever lost
That includes almost all remaining old growth forests. Almost all of the areas he chose are old growth forests. Here's a map of all remaining old growth forests in the US for comparison.
I think I see some exploitation of fewer forestry service members now too.
how does Alaska have so little old growth forest?
I imagine it's hard for forests to grow in such a climate
I've been wondering the same thing ever since seeing the map.
I'm guessing 'old growth' in this map means like 80 year forests or something. I'm extremely skeptical that this much forest was never logged.
No. You'd be surprised. Old growth specifically means forests where the trees are older than 200 years on average. If you include mature forests, which are defined as 80-200 years old on average, the amount of forest becomes much larger. But also consider how much there used to be, and how much disappeared. The US was the first place in the world to really add forest protections. Theodore Roosevelt alone set aside over 150 million acres as national forests at the turn of the 20th century. We're insanely lucky that happened. I've been lucky enough to have traveled to and seen national forests in almost every US state. It makes me die inside knowing they might get cut down now.
Not happy with destroying our society anymore. Now they have to physically destroy our country.
This is what happens when you allow conservatives to have control.
I'd ask Americans to make better decisions going forward, but we all know that isn't happening.
RIP.
Conservatives, as in, conserving our portfolios and self preservation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_spiking
Ooh, I was picturing something quite large and chonky. This makes sense!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey_Wrench_Gang
Thanks for the tip!
It's an emergency!! We need lumber for... Things. Quick!
Shipping it to Gaza to build his casinos, resorts and condos for his Russian buddies. Israel is just about done genociding so the shipments have to start soon.
The Gaza Riviera.
I wouldn't go anywhere near it. Those luxury condos, resorts, hotels, and casinos that Kushner has been negotiating for since immediately after Oct 7, are going to be prime targets for terrorism for YEARS, and I won't be sorry about it at all.
The entire region is going to be a heavily militarized zone. That's a fun vacation.
What’s the emergency? Climate change isn’t catastrophic enough yet?
It’s so the US can build more vacant houses.
there are plenty of blue states, blue counties, etc. this sure as hell isn't an 'all of us' problem.
And then the ents kicked ass. They just fuckin’ showed up basically on a whim, by themselves, and ripped Isengard a new asshole.
do you remember when in minecraft you chopped down a forest for wood and didn't replant it? remember how you had to go to triple the distance to find another one, wasting even more time?
Not sure they won't be replanted, but a 600 year old redwood looks a bit different than a 5 year old pine tree.
This motherfucker wants to clear cut the boundary waters. All these special areas destroyed because they're not a beach side golf course or some tacky casino.
Keep his cheeto dust fingers away from BWCA.
Just 1 more Walmart and America will be perfect
This is the exact same tactic this regime will use on the 20th of April to declare martial law. I’m really curious how long it took the Germans in the late 1930’s to call it what it was.
This is a coup d’etat. Lots of people will die. The regime - even if DJT dies or gets shot - will go on. There won’t be any more fair elections. I hope these protests go from 5 million to 10 million on Saturday, because only a mass movement can stop this.
*mass armed movement they don't care if 100 million person manifest if they fear nothing after that and no they don't need a reason for martial law still gonna happen with only peaceful protest
I thought when talking about the USA the arms and violence is implied. Though, historically it is curious how the French with a notorious lack of weapons wreak more havoc than them 2nd amendment folks.
Why that date specifically?
90 days since the inauguration and a few other good reasons.
Yeah I read the first sentence of the post in the image, and closed the page. No, the movement of the planets doesn't mean Trump is declaring martial law on 4/20. For fuck sake...
If you want to go that fast and only look at the pretty picture, maybe go read comic books. It’s not just astrology bullshit. Horoscopes are bullshit, astrology when done well can be scarily accurate. Plus I’m not using astrology as the trend setter, but the trend confirmer.
The key thing you refused to read is that Musk is in charge, he’s a proven neo Nazi, and particularly adores Hitler. The rest you’ll have to read yourself. Or you can pander here for some more cheap upvotes.
PS: please lemmy, can we raise the level of discourse please and not upvote these populist comments? Stay on reddit if you just want to be a walking regex that sees “astrology” + “bullshit” = upvote.
LOL no.
Well, argued I love your scientific methods I need no further proof, thank you
Yeah that's not how science works.
You are the one making the claim ("astrology is real") and therefore the honus is on you to provide evidence. And the saying holds true. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
And you cannot provide that because it does not exist.
Edit: I just had another thought about your initial claim... You said that it works "when done correctly."
I'm wondering, how does one know if the astrology was done correctly aside from the prediction ending up being correct? So wouldn't that be a tautology?
It would be like saying that, "if you flip a coin correctly, it will always end up on tails," with the only measure of success being "it landed on tails, therefore you flipped it correctly." Therefore, by definition, flipping a coin "correctly" has a 100% success rate.
Do you see how meaningless all of that is?
It doesn’t matter what you believe you don’t have to try and convince other people that you were right and other people
I was merely using astrology to corroborate something that was already pointed out with an abundance of other really good arguments.
To me you’re just a Muppet who will dismiss the discovery of a cure for cancer because the researcher said he found a cure of cancer on his birthday. Babies and bathwater and stuff
If you think that the wealthy and the powerful of the world don’t use astrology to time their events, that’s when you lose all credibility with me.
Thank you for taking in this discussion with me
Astrology should be derided to an extent that it's hard to even quantify. It sounds like conspiracy theory forums are more of your jam
Don’t worry it gets downvoted there too.
Hitler was an occultist and into numerology, so is Musk. I don’t know why this is so hard to understand.
This is the typical peasants fighting among themselves while they are steamrolling their Project 2025 in broad daylight.
Lol, as I just pointed out in my other comment, you’re someone who sees a picture and jumps to conclusions. Don’t brigade and attempt to rob others who want to read the entire linked article.
What's on April 20..?
Scroll down for fun
In Germany, by 1934 the regime had publicly admitted murdering hundreds of their opponents without trial.
And written a law after the fact which simply stated: "The measures taken on June 30, July 1 and 2, 1934 are lawful as state self-defense."
Germans knew.
I agree. But I’m just wondering if they went to the butcher to get a bit of meat if they were a acknowledging that they were living under a dictatorial regime right now?
Up until late 1944 or early 1945, most people basically just kept living their lives normally, while making some secret jokes about the regime, being annoyed by the constant air raid sirens, complaining about food shortages, actively looking away when their Jewish neighbors were arrested, and mourning their dead sons, yes.
since Canadian lumber has a tariff making it so expensive now they will chop down the US forests for the value of lumber is high
On another thread, another lemming explained that our logging industry can't even use the trees from national parks because we've specialized all of our mills to specifically sized (and possibly specific kinds of?) trees. The trees from national parks would basically just end up being used for pulp instead of building homes or something.
You think anyone in this administration gives a shit about the housing situation!? This is an article about our (We The People) national forests! They're stripping the country for parts. Fuck, when's the next date we all protest and march!?
No, I don't think for one second that they care about getting people housed.
Yeah American lumber is heavily reliant on forestry since in the long run it's easier, why fuck around building infrastructure and moving equipment when you can just set a couple acres aside and cut them every couple of years. Also I'm pretty sure this also applies to our pulp production so even that would make it a waste of time to go after national forests.
We may actually entirely side step Trump's stupidity and evilness on this simply because the industry has moved on from clear cutting. Also while there are probably some mills that can process Lumber from the parks they are probably specialized and also have their own designated forests, for example the guys who process Lumber for the USS Constitution.
I never underestimate the capacity of capital to fuck shit up. I imagine some dill weed with more money than God is going to monopolize the rights, cut all the trees down that they can, and sit around waiting for someone to come begging to pay them a grip for that lumber. When a buyer never materializes, it'll all just be left to rot under armed guard or burned to keep people from doing anything useful with it. Then they'll turn around and get a fat tax write off / insurance payout, do five more lines of blow to see if they feel anything yet, and call up the five senators they bought this year to encourage them to send more (poor) drug users to private prisons.
oh and the type of trees in the us for logging, isnt very good quality so it ends up more expensive anyways.
Guaranteed way to speed up climate change
Well it is an Emergency, we gotta hustle
What do they claim the emergency is?
We're importing too much of our lumber from a foreign country (Canada), which is a national security risk to the lumber-consuming parts of our economy. I wish I were joking.
Hypothetically, would literal tree-hugging (i.e. chaining myself to a tree) be an effective method of protest and prevention? Would the loggers cut me down anyways? Just a random thought.
You're gonna get labeled a terrorist and probably shot
The way to go is in the monkey wrenching book (forgot the full name:
You take steel bars, and cut them to size
Then you remove a piece of bark
Drill a hole into the tree
Put the steel rod in
Glue the bark back on
Do it at eye level-ish, that way you're not hurting the worker with a snapping chain, instead damaging the lumber mill. Bigger damage anyways
What do we use when they start checking the trees with metal detectors?
I don't think cinder blocks would work as well
If anything that’s time wasted having to check every tree. Makes their big tree harvesters slow way down
That's actually addressed in the book as well, you can get hardened ceramic rods that work even better, they're just a bit more expensive
Iron bars are the old fashioned way, the modern method is a granite or concrete rod, not quite as good as iron but it'll still fuck up a saw good
"Ecodefense: A Field Guide to Monkeywrenching" was the name
There are groups already doing the work. Look them up!
For example, BARK Out! Is active around Mt Hood in Oregon.
Depends on what you mean by "effective." It might delay them for a few hours or a day. There's a long history of this kind of thing, although it's usually more effective to do a treesit rather than a lockdown for trees. You could do a lockdown on equipment like bulldozers/feller bunchers though. The Earth First! Direct Action Manual has a lot of info.
Be prepared to be literally tortured in various ways, including pepperspray placed directly in your eyes, pain compliance holds, or they just cut the chains/lockbox you're in and if you get cut with it too bad.
Personally I'm not a big fan of get-arrested-on-purpose types of direct action, but it has its uses. I strongly recommend that if you're going to do something like this you connect with a group that knows how to do it and you have a support crew, including jail/legal support.
what a fascinating read!
Is there a such thing as pepper spray resistant eyewear?
Sure, lab safety goggles will protect you from pepper spray in most instances. But what eye protection you're wearing won't matter. You're chained to a tree. The cops can do literally anything they want to you, including ripping your safety glasses off and emptying a can of pepper spray directly in your eyes. See: the infamous case of the Pepper Spray 8
Trees have been saved by people camping in them.
That relies on the loggers fearing a murder charge. In Trump's America, would a logger be charged with murder for "accidentally" killing a tree hugging protestor?
Treesitters have been killed by loggers before and didn't face murder charges iirc. They are probably more worried about wrongful death suits.
They were defending themselves against domestic terrorists /s (but actually just cynicism)
Just spike the trees.
Oh it looks like the area I hunt is in there. Damnit it was getting nice finally from when it was planted decades ago. Second generation trees are getting good sized.
I was just in a national park and thinking to myself "damn, this place has too many trees! We should really cut a bunch down to make room for a Wal-Mart."
trump.... Ensureing America has no future
Time for this guy to get taken out....of office.
To quote local shitstain Mike Davis, who was SUPER TOTALLY JUST JOKING "I want to drag their dead political bodies through the streets, burn them, and throw them off the wall." Which, you know, same to you buddy.
It's cool it's OK when he says it.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-second-amendment-people-could-do-something-about-clinton-judge-choices/
the map shows the northwest will be more concern, all that redwood forests,
National Forests and National Parks are different things and are managed by different departments.
National Parks (like Yellowstone) are managed by the National Parks Service and we're put aside for conservation and public access. They are protected in perpetuity. As much of a shit head Trump is and as terrible as the Republicans are, I don't think they could actually open these up.
Meanwhile, National Forests are managed by the Department of Agriculture. They were specifically put aside to be public land and to protect the US lumber industry. The rules have been slowly opened up to allow private purchase (for individuals and ranches) and different types of resource gathering (mostly fishing and ore mining, with some oil mining).
I think a lot of people in this thread are mixing up the two as well. National Forests are specifically used for resource gathering and more resource gathering isn't out of the ordinary for these parks.
In geologic scale? That is true. In human scale? It is extremely unlikely in thousands of years.
On the other hand. This has been said for decades.
Hey! I learned a lot about Mermaids from those documentaries. You cant find that kind of fact-based research in the Mainstream Media. Liberals hate Mermaids, and they aren't real big on Unicorns, either.
Supervolcano was co-produced by the BBC
The reason for the interest was
I hate to break it to you, but 2005 is decades ago. Two to be precise.
Looks like Tramp called for open season on loggers.
Growing up, I watched Star Trek and ST: Next Gen. I always wondered how we could get to a kinder, more tolerant society like theirs. As I learned more about the back story, it turns out that there was a massive nuclear world war in the mid-21st century that did massive damage to the world. The society that Star Trek represents rose from the ashes of that war.
I always hoped we could reach a tolerant society without going through that, but its starting to look remarkably prescient.
It used to seem there would be this universe without money or religion, and then we got to DS9, and saw the Bajoran religion, the Ferengi obsession with profit, and the gambling at Quarks.
By the Trek timeline, that war literally starts next year and runs for thirty years. Mankind only starts to pull it's head out of it's ass because of first contact with the Vulcans, and that only happens because they happened to have a ship in the system when the guy building the first experimental warp engine takes it on it's first successful test flight in 2063.
Thanks for the clarification, which only makes it more prescient.
Unfortunately, I will probably be long gone before the Vulcans arrive.
Would be a damn shame if the National Forestry service just started spiking all those trees.
Just be careful and never cut a hydraulic hose with any of your body parts near the cut. Hydraulic injection injuries look terrible. Similar for large truck tires, those are not like a tiny cybertruck tires, they can blow up and cause injury.
Ha! I took hydraulic fluid to the eye once upon a time. I now wear safety glasses when I do my forklifting.
Ouch! Can you see from that eye?
Life was pretty blurry for a little while🤣
Luckily the hose popped first thing in the morning, so it wasn't hot yet. In an unrelated matter, WD-40 hurts like a bitch too. Dont stick your eye in that.
It’s crazy how republicans are framing cutting down forests as a “good way to prevent arsons”
If a tree falls on him in the forest, would anyone hear him squish? Or care?
People wood care unfortunately.
Guns don't need wood parts anymore. I believe billionaire biomaterials work better? I'd say some testing is on order. We need some billionaires. I believe the bones are probably the sturdiest parts. And their teeth have gold.
Has anyone actually done the co2 math and the amount of other gases we have to reverse?
It will blow your mind. Dont look up.
Basically everything we have ever consumed for carbonous goods or fuel sources has to be reversed.
That's because we are a part of nature and we leave footprints like everything else. Change isn't bad, in fact it's a good thing. It's why things evolve. The problem is the velocity of change is too fast for other parts of our ecosystem to keep up. It's like catching a ball. Every little bit counts.
And so all that Roosevelt worked for is sentenced to death.
Do you know why greece is so barren? Because in antiquity they chopped all the trees for their navy
See ya, redwood forests!
2024 cost US 500 billion in hurricane costs. and how to you counter that, plant more trees not cut them down. he is the biggest clown in human history
How can conservatives be okay with that? What's even the need?
Conservative stopped being about conservation before they were ever related. Some conservatives of yesteryear were conservationists, but most were merely at the smallest, most local of levels.
They want to conserve
the foresttheir profitsNot gonna work. They're living beings like you, that sort of thing causes infections, by the time that a blade would hit something like that, it would likely kill the tree regardless.
Tree law is really insane in other places. The UK has a registry of protected trees. Would be wonderful to see something like that after the oroborus is dead.
Tree law in the US can also be pretty intense. I think it varies by area though.
Trees with rebar in them are cut all the time. Loggers are trained to examine the trees for signs before cutting into it - your rebar will leave visible scars for years, and the logger will see those signs and cut in a different area to avoid it.
I am a trained logger - I volunteer with a local youth camp clearing dead trees.
So everything is an emergency now.
The stock market is not static, fool. It’s about ready to explode!!
guns
Or apparently tree spiking
Teddy Roosevelt is rolling in his grave.
where do i go to lab about chaining myself to a tree or whatever
🤷🏽♀️ cy@