Gaza medics killed by Israel found handcuffed and shot in mass grave
Israeli forces have been accused of executing handcuffed Palestinian medics before burying them in a mass grave underneath their crushed ambulances in southern Gaza's Rafah.
Fifteen humanitarian workers went missing last week after responding to a distress call from civilians being attacked by Israeli forces.
The workers include eight paramedics from the Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS), six members of the Palestinian Civil Defence search-and-rescue teams, and one UN staff member.
They were found over the weekend in a mass grave with at least around 20 multiple gunshots in each one of them, according to Mahmoud Basal, spokesperson for the Palestinian Civil Defence in Gaza.
At least one of them had their legs bound, another was decapitated and a third topless, he added.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/bodies-gaza-medics-found-handcuffed-and-shot-mass-graveOpen linkView original on lemmy.ml
I'm not against Jews, I'm against Israel. It appears that the lesson they learned from the Nazis is how to commit atrocities.
It's almost as if the lesson should be that Jews aren't unique and are just like any other people. And if you put any group of people into an explicit ethnostate, that group of people is going to turn into Nazis.
Most countries around the world are based on ethnicity/national identity. Yet they all don't manage to turn into Nazis. It's not the state type its the choice made by its people.
There is a difference between having a dominant ethnic identity and being an ethnostate.
Israel is only 75% Jewish 🤷
Obviously they’re trying to be an ethnostate and like to commit genocide. But it’s not like they’re doing that purely bc it’s only one group of people within their borders.
Ethnostate refers to them explicitly having written in their constitution that they are a state for ethnic Jews. Any civilized country has a constitution that grants human rights to ebery human and certain civil rights based on citizenship. Israel explicitly is designed as an ethnic supremacy apartheid state.
Ahh that makes the comment I was replying to make way more sense. Didn’t fully realize the extent to which Israel is founded on ethnic superiority
All Israeli citizens have the same rights under Israeli law.
Feels like most places have had their genocide era
Well we exist in the present, not the past. There's not much to be gained today by sanctioning the Italians for the genocide their ancestors committed against the Gauls.
You cannot expect atrocities to lead to anything good. We see it in gaza right now, the ongoing genocide will breed more terrorists and more conflicts.
Exactly, anyone with two braincells realizes the implications.
Do you go in blazing, making it clear you're trying to minimize collateral damage and treat people with respect while getting the job done?
Or do you go in blazing, setting people's houses on fire and killing medics?
which is part of the plan. without constant conflict the likes of Bibi Hitleryahu could never obtain power.
none of his conflict is about Judaism or Islam. it's about colonialism. jews who were expelled during the inquisition found a safe haven in lands of muslims. they lived side by side for decades.
the unfortunately intense antisemitism you may find among Muslim populations is because of what happened to Palestine in the name of zionism.
the way Israel insists that they represent jews and Judaism breeds antisemitism. which is what they want by the way. jews experiencing antisemitism around the world gives them more potential colonizing power.
they also want you to think this is about religion because it becomes easy to dismiss and both-sides the issue and distract from the fact that it is about ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Zionism isn't a religious colonizing movement? Is Israel not a Jewish ethnostate? To say that this isn't related to Judaism in some way is disingenuous.
if anything it's a christian colonialist project. the superstars of colonialism, the brits are mainly to thank here. but all of that is besides my point.
again, jews and arabs lived side by side before Israel was a state. jews were Jewish and arabs were mostly Muslim back then as well. if it really were about religious differences they wouldn't be living in peace before. it's not the religion, it's politics. and war crimes.
Why set up a Jewish state if it wasn't the goal? Look I get it, anti-Semitism is shit. Jews are targeted for something that they aren't responsible for. But all of these politics and war crimes are, unfortunately, covered in Jewish flavor. That's a problem for all Jews, I think. To combat this by saying religion has no part in this isn't working.
they set up a Jewish state because european countries didn't want to accept Jewish migrants. they used the holy land as an excuse to tell Jewish people to fuck off to Palestine where they can replace some brown people rather than bother white christians.
again, if the problem was really the religion it would be there before the establishment of the Israeli state. I'm telling you that the religions of both peoples were constant while the political move was the variable that changed. that's how you find causes, however much you'd like to chalk this up to religion bad.
I hear the same shit from people who blame Iran's situation on their religion when again it was clearly the very blatant meddling of colonial forces. they had the same religion before and after the revolution. the thing that changed was the US replacing a democratically elected head of state with a stooge. people love to cover for the atrocities of western powers by pretending it's all about religious disputes.
Why does Israel decry it's criticism of the genocide as anti-semitism if it has nothing to do with it's religion? Israelis do use Judaism as a justification for their actions, is that not in doubt? Whatever happened in the past has no bearing on the immense suffering caused by a flag that symbolizes Judaism right now.
Isn’t it far* older than that? Didn’t Israel commit the main genocide in the Old Testament? Religious people tell me that’s a historical document.
To me, this same holy war has been raging for millennia and I really wish we’d outgrow it.
I don't think it's fair to tie history that far back to current people. Maybe it's context for what's going on now, idk, but it's wrong to point to it as some sort of gotcha.
There's more than enough damning history just looking back one week.
It wasn’t meant as a gotcha, just an observation that they didn’t learn from the Nazis, near the same holy war has been going for a really long time with a few names changing, and it’s tiresome.
This is a misunderstanding of how modern Israel got to its current state.
There were Jews in Palestine before the state of Israel was established.
The issue isn't some ancient conflict, it's that without working with the natives of the region, the British government and UN unilaterally declared that they were making a colonialist ethnostate and took land from the native population for that purpose.
This isn't some biblical tale as old as time. The region was (relatively) peaceful.
It's very similar the gigantic fuck up of the India Pakistan split based on religion.
As it turns out, religious ethnostates established by the displacement of natives creates a huge cluster fuck.
And even with all that, things are as bad as they are today because over the last 3 decades Israel has used every conflict as a tool to militarize and isolate Palestinians.
Palestinians aren't blameless, but they've been blamed enough for the problems of Israel. Much like the IRA's bombings were uncalled for, that doesn't mean Britain wasn't to blame for a lot of the problems of Ireland.
Not that Britain was blameless here, but they didn’t really have a choice. The Zionist terrorists were going to take country by force, so Britain/UN just capitulated, legitimising and putting in power that group.
And Republicans keep trying to convince us the Israeli government is the good guys. >.>
Please don't act like it's just republicans.
crazy that everyone came after Rashida Talib for speaking the truth that most US politicians are more loyal to israel than their constituents.
the thing is we'll never move the republican party off their pro-israel spot except through weaponizing anti-semitism, which will do no one any good. in our two party political system our best bet is to cordon republicans away from power and to shift democrats left through quite frankly desperate maneuvers. additiunally, we must develop parallel structures of power to protect ourselves. these parrallel structures of power is what the establishment fears most, which is why they're so quick to label us terrorists
Democrats are not the answer. If you all don’t figure out soon that democrats are poison and we have got to create a new group. This is holding us back. Will it take a devastating loss for you to get it?
They explicitly said to build dual power. Or do you believe you can vote your way out of this?
i know they're not. the parallel structures of power is the most important part
Because being against genocide is a single issue voter thing, somehow? I guess being against ethnic cleansing means you're actually Unamerican.
you are conflating anti-semitism with anti-israel and anti-zionism, many Jews are against the Likud genocide, many Isreali's are not
no i am not conflating these things. i myself am jewish and am anti-zionist. when i say the only way to get the republicans to move off their spot is to embrace anti-semitism, i say that because the right wing of america hates jews. they want to deport us to israel. they support the genocide because it gives them a place to ship us eventually. so it could be possible to get their base to hate republicans for giving weapons to jews. but that would be lending legitimacy to just shifting where the genocide is. it's a dangerous game to play and we shouldn't play it. a far better strategy is to, as i said, cordon republicans away from power, desperately try to shift the democrats left, and create parallel structures of power. the aim of these actions is to create an environment where our voices for liberation, be those voices Palestinian, Black, Ukrainian, Jewish, Asian, or Queer, can be heard and listened to.
as someone from the south, "right wing of america hates jews", I disagree with. Most southerners dont even know a single jewish person or have any reason to wish them ill will as long as a they are white.
The billionaire zionists wave the anti-semitism flag anytime they dont like a democrat, ADL is essentially an arm of the Liqud gov at this point, they dont care if you seig hiel, pal around with German nazi's, just as long as you dont mention that Israel is daily committing some of the worst atrocities happening on the planet Earth right now.
interesting. i'm also from the south and there are multiple far right anti-semitic groups i have to think about like Atomwaffen SS, the KKK, Patriot Front, the Proud Boys, several militias whose names i don't know, but i know where their training facilities are
they are not anti-semitic at their base, KKK is about skin color and was born from the confederate south and that was born out of racial dominance and idiocy, but not jewish hatred. The KKK is just an mlm for racists and has largely all its been throughout its history.
They may have never met a Jew in their life, that doesn't stop them from hating us. I'm Jewish and went to college in the south. When they found out I was Jewish (I declined one too many Bible studies I guess), I was targeted for conversion almost constantly. It was a nightmare. I was also pepper sprayed by a Neo Nazi in Southern VA. Trust me, they hate us plenty.
yeah different experiences I guess and I am not going to invalidate yours by wasting any more breath on filth like them, however being targeted for conversion is a full time job for many bible thumpers in the bible belt and they hate any body not giving their tithe weekly regardless of race, its obviously a venn diagram of souls being exploited and manipulated for the goals of others and if we learned anything during trump's first term, they are only getting organized during this time to seriously fuck shit up running up to elections.
Kind of unrelated but where do you get your point about republicans wanting to deport Jews to Israel? I’ve never thought about it that way. I thought (in very basic terms) both democrats and republicans supported Israel because it’s a strategic location in the middle east and it’s profitable.
it's the christofascist goal to return the jews to israel so that all the aspects of revelations can come to pass
Honestly I’m ill-informed on christofascism, where should I read up on it?
I didn’t think the republicans that have control over our relations to Israel would be ardent on fulfilling biblical narratives. I thought they use Christianity as an excuse and a tool to garner support among uneducated protestants. The typical republican lawmaker doesn’t understand or follow Christian scripture
This started under Biden, and centrist democrats gleefully shouted down progressives sounding the alarm like the good little fascism apologists that US centrists are. It is now much worse under the Trump regime, but you are 1000% right.
Please don’t act like it’s just USAmericans.
When I worked in a restaurant - and this was near 20 years ago, at the tail end they had us sign some condition of employment and that added a clause that we weren’t to boycott Israel as employees. A restaurant in America.
So, how many of you work for companies that have this exact thing? I quit working for others over twelve years so because of shit like this. If you work for a major corp 99% of you likely signed an anti Israel boycott in your hiring forms and you don’t even know it.
Let that simmer a bit then figure out what you need to do because these companies can’t run without employees. They need employees more than customers.
And the Democrat leader Schumer says his job is to keep the left pro-Israel, there is no redeemable politician in power here. If we had real justice they would all be hanged for supporting genocide.
That's because Schumer is a Nazi collaborator.
The Democrats lost the election because they refused to condemn Israel. For once, this is actually a "both sides" problem.
People keep saying this and I apologise if this comes across as callous, but this is a very online opinion. I’ve seen no evidence whatsoever that the Palestinian genocide would even move the needle for the average American voter let alone be enough to sway the election. While I’m sure it didn’t help, the Democrats lost because they promised more of the same neoliberalism at home when many Americans desperately wanted a departure from the status quo and because there’s a depressing amount of Americans that are just straight up bigots, not because of their stance on Gaza.
I haven't heard anything about Gaza not online. I work blue collar and am surrounded by low information/conservative people. I can't think of any time any of them mentioned Palestine or Gaza.
Venezuela has come up far more often. Lots of racism and at my job I'm the minority being white. I've heard absolute crazy shit from my coworkers mouths and sometimes have walked them through their thought process and that usually ends up with them saying "when you put it like that it sounds mean".
I don't think many of them actually vote though. I know personally its hard for me to make it in time to vote if I don't request off or something.
All that to say I agree. I know my little work place isn't representative of everyone but it's a common thread of almost everyone we hire.
i concur with your assessment. aside from a miniscule number of spiteful perpetually online leftists, there is no evidence whatsoever that gaza made an impact on large numbers of voters. whether one party represented change/disruption VS status-quo/more-of-the-same is almost certainly how typical Americans framed their decision.
You know what I want you and everyone who makes this argument to do?
Next time some pro-genocide centrist is blaming people who weren't 100% on board with wiping out every last Palestinian in Gaza for the loss Harris earned, you make this same argument then.
Otherwise, you're just dismissing opposition to genocide.
for a country that loves to talk about their right to exist, they sure as fuck try their best to disprove they have that right at all. nazi germany didn't have a right to exist.
Condoning or condemning atrocities has rarely been about the race, nationality, religion, etc. of who was harming or being harmed. Whoever is in power at the time decides what is condoned or condemned.
20th century Jews were at the mercy of a seemingly-unstoppable German force. Now that Israel are largely in charge of the immediate region, they set the tone, forgetting what had been done to their ancestors.
Americans weep and gnash teeth over foreign atrocities while standing on the blood of Indigenous people their powerful ancestors were perfectly fine murdering just to gain land.
African tribes slaughtered each other long before becoming victims of Euro/American slavery.
I’m not justifying any of it. Just saying it’s the ebb and flow of who is in power at the time that determines who gets to decide what’s condoned or condemned, not the race, etc. of the aggressor or victim. Over centuries and millennia, many/most nations and peoples will take turns giving and receiving atrocities. All you need is an evil leader and just enough supporters to make it seem “ok enough”.
Theres an active ongoing genocide happening and you are talking about ebb and flow? What the actual fuck. Fuck off. Use your words and voice to speak out against it not defend it you privileged fucking asshole.
It’s sad to see you have such low comprehension skills, if you think I’m defending it. I do hope you get better. EDIT: Holy shit, your comment history. Please seek professional help.
Jesus fucking christ this is some evil shit.
Fucking hell..... I mean how many blatant war crimes does Israel need to commit before countries start condemning them. Goddammit, seriously
It straight up feels like we are living in, like, the world of Final Fantasy 7. They could literally be using the souls of the dead to generate electricity as it literally kills the planet both physically and metaphysically, but only like 7 people are gonna actually be pissed and try to stop it.
The US is the behind this 100% we don't even have a ballot option against it
We give them the weapons to do it, then drive aid trucks through their territory in a token effort to help the Gazans, it’s goddamn shameful.
Of course, they are world champions at it.
I don't believe this at all, if it's true can you tell me what makes you think that? Because neither the Biden or Harris campaign gave me any indication that they would stop arming and defending this genocide
So your answer to my question "what made you think there was any chance Harris would stop arming this genocide" is vibes
You read between the lines and imagined some good intent on her part that wasn't there, it was just in your mind
You are a privileged and racist piece of shit. They literally said and defended the US funding and arming Israel.
Fuck you, no they wouldnt have you racist piece of shit. They literally said they will keep funding Israel.
At this point there is none. They have been doing shit like this for decades. Israel was founded by terrorists and on terrorism.
Money money money... Money!
They opened fire on French forces too in Lebanon.
It’s getting fucking spicy and real weird that European Jewish refugees are building their own Auschwitz next door.
Behold, the apex of humanity. God help us.
I'll never get enough of saying it: this is happening with the help and support of your government
How do you know what country we're in?
Are all nations helping Israel? That seems unlikely.
name one that isn't or that isn't part of an alliance doing it
AP telling the same story. Looked like Reuters was, as well, at a quick glance. So I guess this is confirmed.
What a terrible thing.
Oh that's not good
Ah thank goodness for a clear explanation
............ Fucking hell. What is wrong with Israel.
Selfrighteousness would be the most likely answer
also being whipped by right wing media into a constant level of terror to justify genocide
Such a handful.
Far right wing government, a president (PM in their case) that has multiple credible cases of corruption against him and is holding onto power desperately to try to avoid prosecution.
Sound familiar?
Israel is literally kidnapping, raping, and assaulting civilians. by the thousands as they attempt to surrender. Beating them until they either agree they are Hamas or die, and then killing them anyway.
I get why the US government is down with that, many of our politicians are old people that love rape and genocide especially via proxy, since they can't do it themselves anymore. It's just really annoying that the same people ranting about wanting to protect women have spent the most money and time getting them tortured, raped, and killed.
But their shills in the West will make sure that if you raise your voice, depending on your legal status, you will be slandered, roughed up by police, have your degree revoked, snatched up from your family or in the middle of the street, and deported.
And they will use the charge of antisemitism as a cudgel, all the while playing into all the worst antisemitic tropes and preparing the ground for the next round of actual antisemitic violence.
Zionism hurts Palestinians first, people who stand up for humanity second, all Jews third. It's a shit ideology.
Not surprised. There's a video out there with a journalist interviewing older IDF veterans who talk about murdering Palestinian civilians and the sick bastards are smiling.
Here is some of the footage of the digging up of the bodies for those who want video evidence:
NSFL: Longer footage of excavation
utterly horrific, genocidal, warcrimes
God damn. If there's a god, just wait.
Safely presuming there isn't, these assholes gotta get found and destroyed just like people have done with former nazi commanders and stuff.
People are foolish to think god cares. God caring is the equivalent of a child in a sand box playing with his army soldiers. Actually the child likely cares about his army men more than a god would.
I intend to destroy them and the devil both if the opportunity ever arises.
By topless, do they mean no shirt? Or no torso?
Yes?
If the IDF scum are ever held to account, the decent people of the world should next go after their own leaders for blindly supporting these atrocities and not stopping them earlier. The genocide of the Palestinians is a blight on many western so-called liberal democracies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem#Banality_of_evil%3Fwprov=sfla1
Condoning or condemning atrocities has rarely been about the race, nationality, religion, etc. of who was harming or being harmed. Whoever is in power at the time decides what is condoned or condemned.
20th century Jews were at the mercy of a seemingly-unstoppable German force. Now that Israel are largely in charge of the immediate region, they set the tone, forgetting what had been done to their ancestors.
Americans weep and gnash teeth over foreign atrocities while standing on the blood of Indigenous people their powerful ancestors were perfectly fine murdering just to gain land.
African tribes slaughtered each other long before becoming victims of Euro/American slavery.
I’m not justifying any of it. Just saying it’s the ebb and flow of who is in power at the time that determines who gets to decide what’s condoned or condemned, not the race, etc. of the aggressor or victim. Over centuries and millennia, many/most nations and peoples will take turns giving and receiving atrocities. All you need is an evil leader and just enough supporters to make it seem “ok enough”.
What Israel have done to Palestine needs both the ICC and ICJ
https://www.printernational.co.uk/timmann2/history.htm#palestine
IDF is war crime organization. Just like Hamas but on the other side. Just like not all Germans were Nazi, I am sure that not all Isrealis are IDF.
It’s not the United Russia invasion, Likud genocide, or Republican aggression.
It’s Russian, Israeli, and American.
That’s the stage, that’s the lens, that’s the demarcation of responsibility and blame between citizens of one country and another.
Collective responsibility and punishment is mother of all war atrocities. Just like not all Palestinians are Hamas (war criminals, terrorists), I am sure that not all Isrealis are Likud/IDF. Isreal's role in this genocide is clear. Isreal as a country made terrible war crimes. But countries are not making anything, pepople do.
Not all Jews are Israeli, and conflating the two groups only helps Israel and their propaganda. But these killings are indeed some fucked up Nazi shit.
You think I dont know that? Everyone knows that. Doesn't change a thing.
The Israelis who are enacting policy, making decisions, pulling the trigger, and burying bodies are jewish. That's why I said oxymoronic. That's the point I was making, and you know it.
Edit: also, I didn't say all jews are nazis obviously.
No. We don't know it, because the words you used don't mean what you think they mean.
The sentence you were looking for, would have been "Jews who are literal nazis".
The sentence you wrote refers to all jews, and deserves the downvotes it is getting.
Israel is run by fascists. Most Jews are not fascists. But these fascists would love for you to conflate them with "Jews" in general so they can accuse you of antisemitism. Don't fall for it.
The ones who are doing this are jewish, full stop. Small minority are zionists, obviously. My comment was simple and accurate, it's oxymoronic.
Coincidentally, these zionists (devoutly religious) think they're "the chosen people" by god. The nazis thought something similar with all that aryan race nonsense.
Again, it's comically oxymoronic, if it wasn't so horrifying and full of death.
Zionists are nazis. There are plenty of Zionists that aren't jewish and plenty of Jews who aren't Zionists.
Lol no, most Israelis are Zionists because the obviously support the general idea of an Israeli state despite the current fascist government.
Press x for doubt LOL. At minimum they use the religion as a tool for their genocide zionism slop. Zionism is inherently foundationally religious or religion inspired, so this argument is silly.
Christian Zionists outnumber Jewish Zionists by millions. Zionism is not Judaism. Zionism weaponizes Antisemitism, when you conflate the two by saying 'jews' instead of Zionist, you are using the same Zionist propaganda
Will you conceded if he quadruples down? Because I bet you anything, he'll go for it.
At that point I'll just tag them as an anti-semitic troll. Not being aware and asking for sources is understandable, but if they continue to spread anti-semitic zionist rhetoric regardless of evidence that shows their true colors.
Quadruples down on what? Here's my Quadruple down: I'm not wrong, just poorly worded.
The Israeli zionists, in the Israeli government and in the Israeli military, who are jewish in heritage and practicing believers of Judaism, who are doing the genocide killing or decision making for killing kids and innocent, are oxymoronic. Ya know, because of the whole nazi thing during WW2. They're doing similar things the nazis did to jews.
My original removed by mod comment, was meant to emphasize the oxymoroic situation. The responses are more focused on the jews are nazis part. Poorly worded. I don't believe for a second all jews are nazis, or any jews are actually nazis literally. But there are devout jews of heritage and religion in Israel who are doing genocide things like the nazis. It's oxymoronic.
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I dont doubt that at all.
The Israeli zionists, in the Israeli government and in the Israeli military, who are jewish in heritage and practicing believers of Judaism, who are doing the genocide killing or decision making for killing kids and innocent, are oxymoronic. Ya know, because of the whole nazi thing during WW2. They're doing similar things the nazis did to jews.
My original removed by mod comment, was meant to emphasize the oxymoroic situation. The responses are more focused on the jews are nazis part. Poorly worded. I don't believe for a second all jews are nazis.
Zionism goes against the actual teachings of Judaism, it's very revisionist. Jewish opposition to Israel is as old as Zionism itself. Hasidic Jewish people, while small in number, are still the largest Anti-zionist group in Israel. Jewish people have been at the forefront of Anti-zionist activism for a long time, including Jewish Voice for Peace. Palestinians too of course.
Zionism uses Judaism as a shield, deflecting criticism against it's fascist actions as anti-semitic, which in-turn raises the amount of genuine anti-semitism experienced by Jewish people worldwide, due to that false conflation of Judaism and Zionism. That's why it's critical to detangle that false conflation.
Zionism comes from the same roots of other-izing Jewish people as seen in white supremacy, that's exactly why it's been supported by white supremacist since the beginning to present day, and why we see this oxymoronic situation you mentioned. Adi Callai, who's video I linked prior, does a phenomenal analysis of everything we're talking about now. He has another on the Gaza Ghetto Uprising and on Franz Fanon which are also just as relevant to the current situation. I highly recommend, other than books by Historians
Apocalyptic Christians are Zionists because they believe it's necessary for Jeebus to come back.