u/violentacrez moderated a whole bunch of NSFW subs during the early days of Reddit, and was a notorious and infamous user. Among the subs he founded and moderated were r/jailbait and r/creepshots (which consisted of pictures of women taken without their consent).
For his services to Reddit, a custom, unique "Pimp Daddy" trophy was created and awarded to him. This is all ancient Reddit history at this point, though. u/violentacrez's account was suspended eventually and subs like jailbait and creepshots are closed down these days.
"Greedy little Nazi bootlicker pigboy" would be an excellent BDSM/alt-culture nickname if greedy bootlicking pigboy Nazis hadn't ruined everyone's fun. Again.
You seem contradictory. Are you sure you're not homophobic? Not trying to bait. No need to answer me at all. Just calling for your own self reflection.
I find it funny how all these tech guys all have the same soulless dead eyed stare. To the point where an AI generated portrait looks more human than them.
On TV the heil reaches the target audience in a way of plausoble deniability, on the internet it can be perceived constantly, thought of, discussed. That breeds dissent much more than passive, temporary consumption.
That and he definetely wasn't expecting the backlash to be as big as it was
He was testing the waters And to know his "limit". Now that we know there are people denying what it was and defending him, he can push it further, rally his/trumps base, create distractions and continue the grift while planting seeds of racism and violence among the communities. distraction mostly, but he's a piece of shit human.
Most likely Musk was testing the waters, but there's also a high probability that he's just plain stupid, after all, this is the same guy who pretended to be the best PoE2 player by paying others to play the game for him, only to then accidentally expose his own lie on a live stream.
Regardless of his reasons for making the gesture at that moment, taking into account his family history and the parties and people he supports, that gesture was without a shadow of a doubt a Nazi salute whose ideology he admires.
It's pretty well-known (as he admitted on SNL in 2021) that Elon Musk has Asperger's Syndrome. This is evident in his inability to understand social cues and appropriate communication, his hardwired complete lack of empathy, and his strange and overpowering obsession with the letter X. He probably thinks he's being edgy or hilarious without understanding that there are social consequences for those things that he does not have the ability to comprehend in the moment. Even scarier, actually, if you look into the history of the man the condition was named for (Hans Asperger) and some of the things he was into... you know, like generic purity and being a Nazi.
I also have Asperger's syndrome, it's just the old name given to the condition of those who presented autism with the mildest symptoms of the spectrum, it doesn't take away my ability to know the meaning of a Nazi salute and what doing it represents, so I see no reason to excuse him because of that.
I never actually watched the video. Now that I watched I think he didn't mean to make a Nazi salute. He pressed his chest before raising his hand. I think he meant to salute his audience. That would also align with what he's saying.
People on the internet are way too soft and emotional these days. Man-up and stop wining about trivialities. My comment was not Nazi related. It was just an observation. No reason to be insulting.
First of all, I'm not defending anyone. You lack reading comprehension. Me saying I interpret this not as a Nazi salute does not imply I like Musk or think he's not a Nazi.
Second, I'm not deleting any messages. They got removed by mods for being insulting. So are other messages by other people who insulted me. But you can see that as it says "removed by mods". Back to reading comprehension...
Go ahead and save screenshots of my comments and fill up your storage. You realize how this sounds right? You need to relax buddy. This is just a random thread on the internet. Nothing life-changing. Go outside, see the sun.
The claim that the salute has its origins in ancient Rome is dubious at best and ignores the fact that the salute is immediately associated with Nazism. Not a single Roman work of art depicts the salute. Don't you think that's a little fishy? There is evidence that it actually originated from the National Fascist Party, under Mussolini. Suffice to say there's no good evidence that it originated from ancient Rome as opposed to it being a relatively new thing starting from the turn of the 20th century and originating in fascism.
lmfao the fucking 1984 doublespeak shit that lets these fucks edge their way into normalcy shouldn’t be tolerated. he did a roman solute full stop. why is this even something that people entertain debating?
act like they’re the stupid fucking idiots they are so they go crawling back into the depths of hell in shame, where they came from
He had ample opportunity to go back and apologize, say he didn't mean to, with how it looked, anything. But no he went to double down with anti semitism, and supporting the afd. He didn't, it was a nazi salute, and it shouldn't be shouldn't be defended.
Cool cool cool. So since it looks like a Nazi salute and was maybe accidental, he will surely apologize for the appearance and make sure no one misunderstands and thinks he is green lighting Naziism. That would be a good way to know. Should not take more than 24 hours. Even a tweet would help. Or a Xit or whatever we should call it now.
Hitler also did it. The only difference was that Elon Musk did so with more vigour. If he didn't mean to make a Nazi salute, why did he respond with Nazi puns rather than apologizing?
Unbelievable how such a trivial and unimportant comment that I wrote while taking a shit can trigger such a fuss here. Insults after insults. Why can you not relax for a moment and be happy? I meant no harm with my comment. Blocking accounts on the Fediverse based on that... Pathetic
Remember when he was investigated by the SEC for Tweeting out that he was buying back Tesla stock for $420 apiece?
And when he got booted out of the company he started because he insisted on naming it "X" despite everyone telling him that made it sound like a porn site?
And when he accused those divers of being pedophiles because they rescued stranded children before he could find a way to make it about himself?
And when just about every time he announces he's saved government money, the number "saved" is immediately backtracked?
And how the whole reason he owns Twitter is he made on offer that he immediately tried to back out of and would have if not for the threat of a multimillion dollar suit for breach of contract?
Elon Musk does not think shit through. However smart or stupid he is, however deeply he does or doesn't believe the Trump Administration's fascist bullshit, he does not dedicate much time to thinking about it before he does stuff. I do not doubt for a moment that he performed and meant to perform a Nazi salute. As to what he was thinking, I cannot say. Maybe he cannot. He definitely has sympathies for anti-semitic and racist movements, but I don't think he thought he was going to be hailed as the savior of the Aryan race for doing it. Maybe he thought it would be funny. Maybe he thought it would be "ironic." Maybe he thought it would get "teh libz" in a tizzy. He probably didn't think he would have to avoid ever going to Germany again under threat of being arrested. Whatever he was thinking, he probably wasn't thinking it more than five seconds before he did it. And he's clearly not thinking it now. Because despite being the richest man on the planet, Elon Musk is a bumblefuck who doesn't think things through and has thus far been able to buy or otherwise ride his way out of any consequences of the things he has done without thinking about them.
Yeah, I think you're exactly right. Now he's seeing consequences - particularly the affect on the Tesla brand - and realised he's shat the bed. So he's thinking 'If I can make those photos go away, people will forget it happened.'
That diver stunt was my "this guy is stupid and I shouldn't listen to anything he says" moment. Before that I was just skeptical. No idea how he had any credibility with a decent human being after that.
the whole idea was to trigger the libs with a vague gesture, like that one bitch who turned it into an awkward wave, but he got a little too into it and now people are setting his cars on fire.
I think it's more that he got a bit too excited about the way the far right can get away with absolutely anything. The media will make excuses for you, the fan base will love it, the more outrageous it is the more it makes libs cry. The democrats will impotently voice objections, the Overton window will move as required, and you will have gotten away with it. I think he wanted to be the star of that whole circus.
You can try reading that comment again. Or maybe you replied to the wrong comment, because it doesn't say anything remotely similar to what you are complaining about.
Because a nazi Sieg Heil is seen as a bad thing by 90% of the world and if he came out and admitted it was one he would probably lose a few supporters from being on his side (probably not a big amount but some)
Is there confirmation that he actually specifically wanted that image off reddit? Or is this just someone making assumptions after the recent story about him interfering with moderation at reddit?
Actions do have consequences. Trying to erase posts and people calling you out for what you did and explaining why those actions are bad does not make those things that you did go away and is honestly a bad look. If you don't want people on social media calling you a Nazi, there's a really easy solution for that - don't do Nazi salutes on live TV, don't make Nazi puns instead of apologizing, and don't keep regurgitating anti-semetic conspiracy theories like the "great replacement" conspiracy theory.
havnt we forgotten that reddit caved in his first term too, trumps first term the gop complained about subs and forums with "illegal acitivities" and threatened legislations, reddit took those down quick.
Power has to be the only driver for someone who already has hundreds of billions of dollars. If I had just one billion you’d never hear from me again, ever. Literally on an island or traveling the world. Bye, Felecia!
People really, really don't understand just how much 1 billion dollars is. Like we are hearing about Elon Musk's net worth crashing as if he will somehow be homeless or lose everything. He won't.
If you had a billion dollars, and you gave away 95% of it, you will still have 50 million dollars to your name, which is still more than you can possibly spend (unless you live like some ultra millionaire lifestyle and throw parties that cost a million bucks each and have a giant mansion with insane upkeep).
If you look at the personality organization of malignant narcissists, you learn that their sense of self and even their memory is fragmentary. They're in the realm of borderline personality organization, which is halfway between neurotic (normal) and schizoid.
This is why it makes sense to them that history should start fresh every day. They don't connect actions with consequences because their brains are not set up to do that.
Imagine the leverage you'd need to have to make "the richest person in the world" do a Hitler salute on live TV. Sure, people who tolerate, much less support, Nazi stuff "are Nazis too" but I'm willing to believe that he might not have actual genocidal / thinking races are subhuman / etc beliefs and if he does, it happened recently - way after he became compromised.
To a certain extent, "bad" people succeed in capitalism and become powerful because of inherent personality traits, and a combination of lack of consequences and privilege creating lack of empathy. But to a much greater extent, I think power is handed to people once enough blackmail material is gathered
Reproducing is a way to gain power. On paper, saying smart people need to reproduce is a good goal, but we all know that the zip code of a child is a stronger indicator of their success than many other factors. But yeah if you start saying "only x race should reproduce because x race is smarter" then that's bad. Republicans are anti abortion and contraception so that they can increase power, too. Having more uneducated people keeps them in power.
Its all about power. Making people racist and abusing that racism for their own is benefit is all part of the distraction. Racism is bad especially when it causes divide and conquer. But I also think we should focus on how those things are tools, and look for ways to prevent the goals that those tools enable.
but I'm willing to believe that he might not have actual genocidal / thinking races are subhuman / etc beliefs and if he does, it happened recently - way after he became compromised.
His lineage is literally the Nazi party, he's been indoctrinated from birth with that shit, not recently
But to a much greater extent, I think power is handed to people once enough blackmail material is gathered
He was born rich and lucked his way to more riches, simple as. Turns out rich idiots just do bad things, so it's easy to find out that they've done so. Quite literally a requirement in capitalism to be a monster if you want to "win"
I've been able to find stuff about his mom's dad being pro apartheid which is obviously bad but is not "literally the Nazis". And that his dad claims to say apartheid is bad but said some sus stuff over the years.
Even if he didn't do the work himself and sounded like a complete idiot in that leaked Twitter meeting, he did objectively advance society. I think the world is better off with things like Tesla Amazon Uber and DoorDash. Musk outlived his usefulness long ago though and is a net negative now to the point of almost undoing all the good he may had had a hand in creating. Society can survive this level of capitalism if it prevented generational wealth. The incompetency compounds and the inevitable conclusion has finally revealed itself.
I've been able to find stuff about his mom's dad being pro apartheid which is obviously bad but is not "literally the Nazis"
So you failed to find the part where they left Canada for South Africa because, as members of the Canadian Nazi Party, Canada wasn't fucked enough for them? It's like... Basic info on his family
he did objectively advance society.
Lol, no, that would be the people he paid. He deserves 0 credit for that
I think the world is better off with things like Tesla Amazon Uber and DoorDash
Oh, so you're an idiot, gotcha, gonna just disengage
If it's so basic, obvious, and universally agreed, then he would have been boycotted much sooner. And yeah there's only so much time I'm gonna put into research to reply to a random Lemmy thread. He's a piece of shit and I don't need to look for more evidence of that - it's not going to change my opinion or cause me to take new actions. Even if you're right, my greater point is about how blackmail and secrets drive power. Pedophilia, Nazism, same shit from that perspective.
I know he's not actually a founder, but he deserves credit because EV companies have been getting outplayed for decades and now we finally them. People are tools, they do what they're paid for. Very few truly innovate or move any kind of needle anywhere.
We'll probably never know how many lives have been saved from FSD due to drunk/tired drivers who have already made the decision to drive instead of picking up their car in the morning or renting a hotel room. And I'm not aware of other EVs that have charging integrated into their navigation. And single pedal driving is awesome.
Amazon has crazy innovation in automation and logistics that allow us to get all kinds of shit with same-day, overnight, or two-day shipping. Their rearchitecture to api-driven software was hugely impactful, and they pretty much invented the cloud.
Uber introduced transparent pricing and accountability for taxi drivers to actually provide a good experience for their customers
DoorDash means we can get more than just shitty pizza or Chinese food.
All of these things make life better. The problem is that when people go (or reveal their) crazy we don't strip their power or influence. The money and fame goes to their head and because they're rich they don't need to listen to advice because they begin to think they're an expert in everything, and their money means they can succeed in new things, such having the ability to recognize whether or not they're the baddies.
But hey since we're insulting each other, I'd like to point out that guillotines are pretty big so before you're actually gonna be able to build one, you're gonna need to touch grass. In other words, you need to recruit allies if you want to win. I wish the world were more simple, too. But it isn't.
Remember when we said that about Bush? This perspective leads to inaction which will allow us to continue down this path. They are actually bad. Have better standards.
No, Trump became president because the media reported about him every day. Bad news are good news. He could have been ignored and there would have been a different president.
Once in power though, better not ignore it.
But who wants to see that it is not Trump who is organizing the fascism?
I think he wants it removed because of the effect on Tesla. He’d prefer if he could do things without consequences for his actions.
I assume it sucks feeling consequenses for the first time in his life. I hope he feels some more consequenses.
Spez is also a cocksucker
There’s nothing wrong with sucking cocks. There’s everything wrong with being a greedy little Nazi bootlicker pigboy.
Don't forget creating and awarding a unique "Pimp Daddy" trophy for the founder and moderator of r/jailbait and r/creepshots!
🤢
I'm sorry, what?? You mean Spez?
u/violentacrez moderated a whole bunch of NSFW subs during the early days of Reddit, and was a notorious and infamous user. Among the subs he founded and moderated were r/jailbait and r/creepshots (which consisted of pictures of women taken without their consent).
For his services to Reddit, a custom, unique "Pimp Daddy" trophy was created and awarded to him. This is all ancient Reddit history at this point, though. u/violentacrez's account was suspended eventually and subs like jailbait and creepshots are closed down these days.
Damn, that's gross. Thanks for the quick Reddit history. Adding it to my many justifications for deleting my Reddit account.
Anytime.
"Greedy little Nazi bootlicker pigboy" would be an excellent BDSM/alt-culture nickname if greedy bootlicking pigboy Nazis hadn't ruined everyone's fun. Again.
There’s nothing wrong with sucking cock but there is no doubt with a face like that he loves the idea of chocking on a cock as he fondles the nuts.
You seem contradictory. Are you sure you're not homophobic? Not trying to bait. No need to answer me at all. Just calling for your own self reflection.
He looks like a fucking serial killer
Cockmongler Jr.
He looks like he prefers a hairy nut sack in his mouth
Let’s not insult people who enjoy having hairy nut sacks in their mouths, garbling balls tends to be a better thing for society than Reddit is
I find it funny how all these tech guys all have the same soulless dead eyed stare. To the point where an AI generated portrait looks more human than them.
Lifeless eyes, like a doll’s eyes.
When it comes at you, it doesn't seem to be livin'
Cocksuckers at least provide a service. Spez just services himself.
And then we say....
Anyone? Somebody? Come on people. Nobody? Well, guess it's up to me.
Fuck Spez.
I think you're forgetting his servicing of a certain knob's knob. Here's a hint: it's 4 letters and can be made with the letters in "felon"
Who?
In Musk logic: it's not bad when he does it. It's bad when people start discussing it, because they might come to a disapproving conclusion.
That's a very roundabout way to say that he doesn't enjoy consequences.
On TV the heil reaches the target audience in a way of plausoble deniability, on the internet it can be perceived constantly, thought of, discussed. That breeds dissent much more than passive, temporary consumption.
That and he definetely wasn't expecting the backlash to be as big as it was
FUCKING HOW?
Living in an echo chamber can make one pretty deaf to life's real problems.
Money, private security, and little human shields can too.
He's a fucking idiot that's convinced he's smarter than everyone else.
And is on Ketamine and probably cocaine.
Honestly? I think he was on cocaine or something at that moment, sure looked like it.
It's rumored to be ketamine. As in, he loves the stuff.
Asperger's likely plays a big part here.
My friend has been on his meds for years and doesn't act like this at all. He acted like this pre meds but he was 10, so, maybe, unmedicated?
He was testing the waters And to know his "limit". Now that we know there are people denying what it was and defending him, he can push it further, rally his/trumps base, create distractions and continue the grift while planting seeds of racism and violence among the communities. distraction mostly, but he's a piece of shit human.
He thinks he's a god. Only thing I can think
He is of the special kind of dumb that comes from obscenely rich backgrounds
Most likely Musk was testing the waters, but there's also a high probability that he's just plain stupid, after all, this is the same guy who pretended to be the best PoE2 player by paying others to play the game for him, only to then accidentally expose his own lie on a live stream.
Regardless of his reasons for making the gesture at that moment, taking into account his family history and the parties and people he supports, that gesture was without a shadow of a doubt a Nazi salute whose ideology he admires.
It's pretty well-known (as he admitted on SNL in 2021) that Elon Musk has Asperger's Syndrome. This is evident in his inability to understand social cues and appropriate communication, his hardwired complete lack of empathy, and his strange and overpowering obsession with the letter X. He probably thinks he's being edgy or hilarious without understanding that there are social consequences for those things that he does not have the ability to comprehend in the moment. Even scarier, actually, if you look into the history of the man the condition was named for (Hans Asperger) and some of the things he was into... you know, like generic purity and being a Nazi.
I also have Asperger's syndrome, it's just the old name given to the condition of those who presented autism with the mildest symptoms of the spectrum, it doesn't take away my ability to know the meaning of a Nazi salute and what doing it represents, so I see no reason to excuse him because of that.
Nope. I saw it live on TV and there was absolutely zero confusion of what it was.
Anyone who thinks differently is dumb as hell.
It was a nazi salute.
Comparison of Nazi salute circa 1940 to Musk salute circa 2025:
Video of repeated Nazi salutes at Trump's Inauguration
If Hitler were alive he'd watch this video and say "Ja! Das ist how you do it!"
I never actually watched the video. Now that I watched I think he didn't mean to make a Nazi salute. He pressed his chest before raising his hand. I think he meant to salute his audience. That would also align with what he's saying.
Yes, the way a Nazi would - now shut the fuck up about it not being a Nazi salute.
You shut the fuck up. Bring your toxicity and unhappy life elsewhere.
Imagine some random person on the internet said something you don't like and you immediately get triggered like that. Laughable.
Anything remotely Nazi related should probably trigger people
People on the internet are way too soft and emotional these days. Man-up and stop wining about trivialities. My comment was not Nazi related. It was just an observation. No reason to be insulting.
Why are you defending fascists by running defense for them? That's a really bad look.
Yes. That includes you, here, in this thread.
Yeah, you're right, people are too soft.
They should do that was done to Nazis during the war instead. Let me know if you volunteer walking into a BAR.
What is X? Never used it. I prefer the Fediverse.
Bring you're insane Nazi apologist shit elsewhere, dude. As everyone else said, it and you are not wanted here.
Imagine being tolerant of fucking nazis lmao. C'mon bro. That's lame.
You're making a lot of assumtions. Musk is a prick and I hate him. What makes you think I tolerate him?
How many assumptions did I cram into a couple sentences? Lmao. I didn't say anything about musk. My statement was about nazis.
Guy goes out of his way to defend Musk, turns around with 'BuT AcKsHuAlLy I hAtE mUsK! cHeCkMaTe LoSeRs!'
I'll be reminding you of this conversation if I see you commenting again.
Don't bother deleting or editing your messages, I've already got them screenshot and saved.
First of all, I'm not defending anyone. You lack reading comprehension. Me saying I interpret this not as a Nazi salute does not imply I like Musk or think he's not a Nazi.
Second, I'm not deleting any messages. They got removed by mods for being insulting. So are other messages by other people who insulted me. But you can see that as it says "removed by mods". Back to reading comprehension...
Go ahead and save screenshots of my comments and fill up your storage. You realize how this sounds right? You need to relax buddy. This is just a random thread on the internet. Nothing life-changing. Go outside, see the sun.
It's people like you why I have to keep this damn gif around:
Seeing this, or a similar one, was what made me realise there was no other plausible explanation for what he was doing.
hes the type to watch history channel but only the parts about the nazis.
Also if they say they are not 100% the same tell them that American Nazis did add the chest slap to the whole thing.
unfortunately I didn't think my own actions through, the placement of your gif and the context compelled me to like it, now I feel dirty.
Ehhh. It's pretty Nazi.
They are both doing it wrong. Nazis don't even know how to do it properly xD.
Hitler is doing his own salute wrong?
What do you mean? Hitler is doing the Roman salute. Which is not what Musk was doing in this video.
Do you have any historical references to Romans doing that? Cause all I can find are fascists doing a salute called a Roman salute.
Exactly.
The claim that the salute has its origins in ancient Rome is dubious at best and ignores the fact that the salute is immediately associated with Nazism. Not a single Roman work of art depicts the salute. Don't you think that's a little fishy? There is evidence that it actually originated from the National Fascist Party, under Mussolini. Suffice to say there's no good evidence that it originated from ancient Rome as opposed to it being a relatively new thing starting from the turn of the 20th century and originating in fascism.
early on there was an analysis that showed it was closest to the South African right wing version. Which kinda makes sense, no?
why does it matter?
lmfao the fucking 1984 doublespeak shit that lets these fucks edge their way into normalcy shouldn’t be tolerated. he did a roman solute full stop. why is this even something that people entertain debating?
act like they’re the stupid fucking idiots they are so they go crawling back into the depths of hell in shame, where they came from
please don't do double speak: calling it a roman salute is already trying to give it any historical rationalisation.
it is a nazi salute. there is little to no evidence of romans doing that salute. the only history with that gesture starts around 1914.
He had ample opportunity to go back and apologize, say he didn't mean to, with how it looked, anything. But no he went to double down with anti semitism, and supporting the afd. He didn't, it was a nazi salute, and it shouldn't be shouldn't be defended.
Gonna tag you as 'fucking moron'
Cool cool cool. So since it looks like a Nazi salute and was maybe accidental, he will surely apologize for the appearance and make sure no one misunderstands and thinks he is green lighting Naziism. That would be a good way to know. Should not take more than 24 hours. Even a tweet would help. Or a Xit or whatever we should call it now.
damn those tricky accidental nazi gestures.
Even Musk hasn't denied it was a Nazi salute. Twice.
He only said that he doesn't want to be called Hitler.
He's not Hitler in this scenario. Hes Goebbels.
Elon "Go balls" Musk. Hmmm.
he'd prefer everyone refer to hitler as 'the original musk?'
Hitler also did it. The only difference was that Elon Musk did so with more vigour. If he didn't mean to make a Nazi salute, why did he respond with Nazi puns rather than apologizing?
there is no doubts that he is total #nazi
Did you believe him when he said owning a Tesla would actually pay you when it drives itself in…2015?
He was saluting his audience... Not unlike Hitler
He did it twice. That’s not an oops.
Were you born this fucking stupid or did you have to take classes?
Who am I gonna believe? You or my lying eyes?
I'd say you're dumb as dog shit, but comparatively you make dog shit look smart.
Thanks <3 This comment actually made my day.
Just wanted some attention, eh?
Started with a genuine comment. But with all of these trolls insulting me for no reason it quickly turned into amusement and trolling back.
I'm blocking you, but before I do I want you to know I hope you go out like Hitler did.
Unbelievable how such a trivial and unimportant comment that I wrote while taking a shit can trigger such a fuss here. Insults after insults. Why can you not relax for a moment and be happy? I meant no harm with my comment. Blocking accounts on the Fediverse based on that... Pathetic
Have you ever watched American History X? Go see how neo-nazis salute each other.
You mean the 2 times he did it? Once toward the crowd and then toward the flag... like a nazi?
If he really didn't want people to share a picture of him heil-ing, then he could always, oh, i dunno, STOP FUCKING HEIL-ING you stupid fucking twat
Remember when he was investigated by the SEC for Tweeting out that he was buying back Tesla stock for $420 apiece?
And when he got booted out of the company he started because he insisted on naming it "X" despite everyone telling him that made it sound like a porn site?
And when he accused those divers of being pedophiles because they rescued stranded children before he could find a way to make it about himself?
And when just about every time he announces he's saved government money, the number "saved" is immediately backtracked?
And how the whole reason he owns Twitter is he made on offer that he immediately tried to back out of and would have if not for the threat of a multimillion dollar suit for breach of contract?
Elon Musk does not think shit through. However smart or stupid he is, however deeply he does or doesn't believe the Trump Administration's fascist bullshit, he does not dedicate much time to thinking about it before he does stuff. I do not doubt for a moment that he performed and meant to perform a Nazi salute. As to what he was thinking, I cannot say. Maybe he cannot. He definitely has sympathies for anti-semitic and racist movements, but I don't think he thought he was going to be hailed as the savior of the Aryan race for doing it. Maybe he thought it would be funny. Maybe he thought it would be "ironic." Maybe he thought it would get "teh libz" in a tizzy. He probably didn't think he would have to avoid ever going to Germany again under threat of being arrested. Whatever he was thinking, he probably wasn't thinking it more than five seconds before he did it. And he's clearly not thinking it now. Because despite being the richest man on the planet, Elon Musk is a bumblefuck who doesn't think things through and has thus far been able to buy or otherwise ride his way out of any consequences of the things he has done without thinking about them.
Did Germany make him persona non grata or something? Or is there a standing arrest on sight order for Nazis in general
The latter.
They take neo-fascism seriously.
Yeah, I think you're exactly right. Now he's seeing consequences - particularly the affect on the Tesla brand - and realised he's shat the bed. So he's thinking 'If I can make those photos go away, people will forget it happened.'
Yeah, lotsa luck with that.
Well said
That diver stunt was my "this guy is stupid and I shouldn't listen to anything he says" moment. Before that I was just skeptical. No idea how he had any credibility with a decent human being after that.
ELON is such a 12yo manchild, thinks like a sex-curious, addict of that age. he would be the ones asking those wierd sexual question on askreddit sub.
because it didn't work.
the whole idea was to trigger the libs with a vague gesture, like that one bitch who turned it into an awkward wave, but he got a little too into it and now people are setting his cars on fire.
I think it's more that he got a bit too excited about the way the far right can get away with absolutely anything. The media will make excuses for you, the fan base will love it, the more outrageous it is the more it makes libs cry. The democrats will impotently voice objections, the Overton window will move as required, and you will have gotten away with it. I think he wanted to be the star of that whole circus.
I'm pretty sure he trained himself in front of a mirror to do it
Vague gesture? It was a full on nazi salute.
Why are you saying this? Just call it what it is for fucks sake.
Are you afraid or something?
The above commenter is saying that Elon likely tried to be vague about what he was doing, but failed at subtlety and made an obvious Nazi salute.
You can try reading that comment again. Or maybe you replied to the wrong comment, because it doesn't say anything remotely similar to what you are complaining about.
No. I responded to your comment about “vague gesture”.
Did you already forget what you wrote? Are you suffering from amnesia?
I’m more shocked that Reddit didn’t comply.
They will, just not while it's current.
Too blatant. Shows there's still a line that even business people have trouble crossing
But it's not a moral thing, only a 'cattle would leave us' thing.
That costs more money.
Well this was the tiny little push I needed to make an account lol
Make yourself at home
Welcome!
I joined for the same reasons. The oligarchs can’t easily censor here as they have on reddit.
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He doesn't want it removed. He wants to target those using it against him. Nazis using it to praise him are not in the crossfires now.
I'm sure the main concern is the protests that are taking place all over the world against one of his companies
Fuck his Nazi ass. Let him stew
Time to introduce him to the Streisand effect
What's wrong? Just own it already.
Because a nazi Sieg Heil is seen as a bad thing by 90% of the world and if he came out and admitted it was one he would probably lose a few supporters from being on his side (probably not a big amount but some)
Is there confirmation that he actually specifically wanted that image off reddit? Or is this just someone making assumptions after the recent story about him interfering with moderation at reddit?
The latter. There's no news about blocking his sieg heil, just articles about the doge critique and banning linking to X.
I'm a little out of the loop on how reddit's been. Is blocking links to X officially no longer allowed there?
Nah, he just called it insane, but afaik it's still allowed.
Awweee poor baby... I thought he loved free speech.
He loves free speech so much he wants it all to himself.
My heart goes out to him 🤣
A Handy visual reference guide to spread around.
Oh god it's like a fucking mirror. Vile.
So true we just want to deport minorities, jail political opponents, silence the media and abolish democratic structures
Libs just call everything nazi nowadays
Actions do have consequences. Trying to erase posts and people calling you out for what you did and explaining why those actions are bad does not make those things that you did go away and is honestly a bad look. If you don't want people on social media calling you a Nazi, there's a really easy solution for that - don't do Nazi salutes on live TV, don't make Nazi puns instead of apologizing, and don't keep regurgitating anti-semetic conspiracy theories like the "great replacement" conspiracy theory.
These guys love to play the big badass no feeling guy then 3 min later start to play victim and beg for attention. Thanks for callling them out
he conveniently has the human shield around, XAE2E, something when the criticism gets too much.
He wanted to do it to please the Magats but not take any responsibility or have it used against him later.
Reddit caved to facism. Another coward CEO takes it up the ass from a south African immigrant.
havnt we forgotten that reddit caved in his first term too, trumps first term the gop complained about subs and forums with "illegal acitivities" and threatened legislations, reddit took those down quick.
well you see the ketamine told him to
He wants to show power. Like he can do as he pleases and have anything he does not approve of removed.
Power has to be the only driver for someone who already has hundreds of billions of dollars. If I had just one billion you’d never hear from me again, ever. Literally on an island or traveling the world. Bye, Felecia!
People really, really don't understand just how much 1 billion dollars is. Like we are hearing about Elon Musk's net worth crashing as if he will somehow be homeless or lose everything. He won't.
If you had a billion dollars, and you gave away 95% of it, you will still have 50 million dollars to your name, which is still more than you can possibly spend (unless you live like some ultra millionaire lifestyle and throw parties that cost a million bucks each and have a giant mansion with insane upkeep).
He wants to be talked about online and in the media. Same reason he did it in the first place.
A cybertruck ate the dingo that ate my baby! This is me spreading hate against Tesla. I’m a terrorist. Fear me!
Not going anywhere. I will buy a domain to just post these pictures. Once in Internet, it will outlive u
This is FAKE NEWS! It WASNT a Nazi Salute so Musk DOESNT want it Banned!
Sure would be a shame if people were to download and print this image
If you look at the personality organization of malignant narcissists, you learn that their sense of self and even their memory is fragmentary. They're in the realm of borderline personality organization, which is halfway between neurotic (normal) and schizoid.
This is why it makes sense to them that history should start fresh every day. They don't connect actions with consequences because their brains are not set up to do that.
Imagine the leverage you'd need to have to make "the richest person in the world" do a Hitler salute on live TV. Sure, people who tolerate, much less support, Nazi stuff "are Nazis too" but I'm willing to believe that he might not have actual genocidal / thinking races are subhuman / etc beliefs and if he does, it happened recently - way after he became compromised.
To a certain extent, "bad" people succeed in capitalism and become powerful because of inherent personality traits, and a combination of lack of consequences and privilege creating lack of empathy. But to a much greater extent, I think power is handed to people once enough blackmail material is gathered
The pedophilia shit is not a coincidence.
His pro-natalist views are literally eugenics.
Reproducing is a way to gain power. On paper, saying smart people need to reproduce is a good goal, but we all know that the zip code of a child is a stronger indicator of their success than many other factors. But yeah if you start saying "only x race should reproduce because x race is smarter" then that's bad. Republicans are anti abortion and contraception so that they can increase power, too. Having more uneducated people keeps them in power.
Its all about power. Making people racist and abusing that racism for their own is benefit is all part of the distraction. Racism is bad especially when it causes divide and conquer. But I also think we should focus on how those things are tools, and look for ways to prevent the goals that those tools enable.
His lineage is literally the Nazi party, he's been indoctrinated from birth with that shit, not recently
He was born rich and lucked his way to more riches, simple as. Turns out rich idiots just do bad things, so it's easy to find out that they've done so. Quite literally a requirement in capitalism to be a monster if you want to "win"
I've been able to find stuff about his mom's dad being pro apartheid which is obviously bad but is not "literally the Nazis". And that his dad claims to say apartheid is bad but said some sus stuff over the years.
Even if he didn't do the work himself and sounded like a complete idiot in that leaked Twitter meeting, he did objectively advance society. I think the world is better off with things like Tesla Amazon Uber and DoorDash. Musk outlived his usefulness long ago though and is a net negative now to the point of almost undoing all the good he may had had a hand in creating. Society can survive this level of capitalism if it prevented generational wealth. The incompetency compounds and the inevitable conclusion has finally revealed itself.
So you failed to find the part where they left Canada for South Africa because, as members of the Canadian Nazi Party, Canada wasn't fucked enough for them? It's like... Basic info on his family
Lol, no, that would be the people he paid. He deserves 0 credit for that
Oh, so you're an idiot, gotcha, gonna just disengage
If it's so basic, obvious, and universally agreed, then he would have been boycotted much sooner. And yeah there's only so much time I'm gonna put into research to reply to a random Lemmy thread. He's a piece of shit and I don't need to look for more evidence of that - it's not going to change my opinion or cause me to take new actions. Even if you're right, my greater point is about how blackmail and secrets drive power. Pedophilia, Nazism, same shit from that perspective.
I know he's not actually a founder, but he deserves credit because EV companies have been getting outplayed for decades and now we finally them. People are tools, they do what they're paid for. Very few truly innovate or move any kind of needle anywhere.
We'll probably never know how many lives have been saved from FSD due to drunk/tired drivers who have already made the decision to drive instead of picking up their car in the morning or renting a hotel room. And I'm not aware of other EVs that have charging integrated into their navigation. And single pedal driving is awesome.
Amazon has crazy innovation in automation and logistics that allow us to get all kinds of shit with same-day, overnight, or two-day shipping. Their rearchitecture to api-driven software was hugely impactful, and they pretty much invented the cloud.
Uber introduced transparent pricing and accountability for taxi drivers to actually provide a good experience for their customers
DoorDash means we can get more than just shitty pizza or Chinese food.
All of these things make life better. The problem is that when people go (or reveal their) crazy we don't strip their power or influence. The money and fame goes to their head and because they're rich they don't need to listen to advice because they begin to think they're an expert in everything, and their money means they can succeed in new things, such having the ability to recognize whether or not they're the baddies.
But hey since we're insulting each other, I'd like to point out that guillotines are pretty big so before you're actually gonna be able to build one, you're gonna need to touch grass. In other words, you need to recruit allies if you want to win. I wish the world were more simple, too. But it isn't.
Elon and Trump are fucking cowards.
They stand no chance when some actually bad people turn up.
Remember when we said that about Bush? This perspective leads to inaction which will allow us to continue down this path. They are actually bad. Have better standards.
It’s about to get rough for South Africa. Peep the new ambassador.
Ignore him, it's the best you can do to let him disappear
Fascism can't be ignored, that's how they get power. That's how Trump became president.
No, Trump became president because the media reported about him every day. Bad news are good news. He could have been ignored and there would have been a different president.
Once in power though, better not ignore it. But who wants to see that it is not Trump who is organizing the fascism?
I'm pretty sure it was about HOW they reported on him that was the problem.
We are past the point where this shithead can be ignored. He's in too much of a powerful position for that to work
I was saying that too before he bought the election. But then he bought the election.