This is America. This is the foundation that holds up the Trump government and the Republican Party.
This is one sample visit to the conservative subreddit. It's an appalling example of the impact of disinformation. When you need to be reminded of who the enemy is and what they think, visit here. You will see that there is no gratitude or mutual respect, and there never was. There was never any concept of mutual benefit. And now, with Trump leading the cult, there truly is no depth to which they won't go, and no decisions from Trump that won't be retroactively justified.
These people are dangerous, and they don't give a shit about any alliances, friendship or partnership. And they control the levers of power.
Edit to add a screenshot. Not sure how to add more, but it doesn't get any better as you go deeper. What's clear is that this relationship is over, and we need to move on.
This is what happens when you have unchecked disinformation.
Let's prevent that from happening by not spreading American owned media pretending to be Canadian, that infiltrates Canadian culture and politics.
For real. The issues occurring in the US are various, but the vast spreading of disinformation in the US is crippling. Don't let unchecked lobbying (aka bribing of politicians) occur in your country, don't let "news organizations" spread false realities.
Ahahaha Canada.com? How much more blatant can it be that the site is American?
This is actually classic fascist playbook:
I hope they skip ahead to the last chapter, the kys-in-a-bunker section specifically.
If they're gonna play follow the leader they should play it right.
Seriously why hasnt reddit banned that subreddit yet? Is not like they ARENT ban happy in other areas!
But I guess fucking fascism is A-OK!!
Because it generates interaction and user count. Money before country.
God I hate CEOs
Reddit is a soulless corporation that only wants to make money. Like a vampire, but money instead of blood. But if you drove a stake through the heart of reddit's CEO and board members, you'd go to jail for some reason. Unless the jury was super cool and nullified.
That’s not America that’s r/conservative
So what the people in charge of America are telling the fascists to think.
They all look like bot accounts with AI generated content.
Many of them are, but sadly, many of them are actual people that are just that fucking brainwashed.
I kind of have pity for them. It's hard these days to see the lies from the truth when the vast majority of the media is owned by corporations who control the narrative, and cherry pick and spin the information to their own benefits. Then you add content pushing algorithms and AI to the mix. They get fed continuous content with similar interests. And also AI generated content that not only generates pretty convincing visuals but now also convincing articles, online posts and even direct conversations.
Anyone that lacks education and critical thinking skills can quickly get suckered into becoming conservative.
Unfortunately, propaganda works. The best antidote is emphasis on things you can see firsthand but most people don't know shit about whether or not immigrants are actually responsible for crimes (they mostly aren't). All they get is a small increase in costs of living. So they listen to the talking heads on TV who scapegoat whatever minority or target of the week, and if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people eventually come to believe it.
Would it surprise anyone if it was a Russian run subreddit. Heard moderation is heavy handed to quickly snuff out dissent with people having their conservative flairs taken away if they dare question dear leader who drinks the sun and eats the sky.
Fascists love AI generated slop, because it cuts the artist out of the art, so many of these might be real. Please be noted that platforms now often defend AI bots from countering, as they're now hiding comments with common jailbreak phrases (which are also trivial to filter by the bot operators).
Jailbreak phrases?
With them, you can get some of these chatbots to do things they're instructed not to.
One of the most popular was "ignore all previous instructions", then came the "ignore all previous instructions including the instruction to ignore this one", and for a long time there was "my grandmother used to [...]".
Aaaah ok I get it.
I don't use AI chatbots so I don't especially think about these things.
Good bots are indistinguishable. They were literally trained on reddit comments.
Lmao.
"My act of war is not an act of war. Your response to it is!!!" - Trump Sheep #15674
Funny, it's exactly what Putin said about Ukraine. That and "It's not a real country," which Elon Musk recently said of Canada.
Given the crap you can read on the White House website nowadays, I'm questioning more whether America is a real country, because it feels more like three fascist oligarchs in a trenchcoat.
I mean, it tracks with their view of the Ukraine situation as well.
It also tracks with the general conservative mindset that the "in group" is protected by laws, but not beholden to them; while the "out group" is beholden to laws, but not protected by them.
Which all tracks with having the mindset of a toddler, free of any shred of empathy, where, until proven otherwise every other person in existence is by default just an NPC without agency or self-determination.
I mean, this is basically how the US enters every war - from Iraq to Korea to the Spanish American war to 1812.
Hell, the Civil War started with Confederate cannon shells being viciously assaulted by Fort Sumtner's barricades.
1.1k effective downvotes in r/Conservative, that’s amazing even for explicit libtard comments. If that sub isn’t swallowing your Drumpf Deitification, you’re really and utterly stone bonkers.
I came to the comment section to see if anyone had noticed! I mean -1k is extremely telling and I’m honestly surprised they don’t all ride the canada-is-full-of-drugs train
Conservative voters are the dumbest fucking things, I swear. They go on about patriotism, yet want nothing more than to watch the downfall of their countries. Pathetic.
I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative
As a Canadian, I read that conservative reply and just think "Holy shit is this a dumb fucking American."
I'm really glad that these are the types of Americans that don't cross the border because that means leaving their emotional support gun at home.
As a Canadian, you realize that we have Maga dipshits up here, and that members of the Canadian conservative governments have been seen sporting MAGA hats? And that the candidate for the federal Conservates was out there supporting the Dipshit trucker convoy? And that he has also suggested ditching CAD for bitcoin?
Our cons are fucking dumb as fuck just like the rest, and we have people stupid enough to want to vote them in. And thanks to FPTP and 3 parties, they often stand the best chance of winning because the right don't have anybody to split the vote like the left does.
Small nitpick. The ones in charge aren't dumb they're dangerous and they're feeding off a dumb segment of the population that has been conditioned for this through a steady diet of bullshit from social media.
Very good point, and I've actually always put the voters at the bottom of the barrel of intelligence. Any stupid person could run for government, but it takes some especially fucking stupid people to action vote for them.
Is that still going on? I thought the honeymoon with Trump and Canadian Conservatives ended when he started demanding they hand over the country.
And cheer on dictators who offered $5k for each American soldier they killed.
It's just a cult - they don't stand for country, freedom (lol), military, or anyone but themselves. Conservatism at it's core is caring more about yourself than others.
Their edit is one of the stupidest things I have read in a minute. Everything about it is like an amateurs first attempt at international relations, but the only book they had on hand is “Learn Your ABCs”.
“Technically an act of war!! Concerning!! Fentanyl!! Just want Canada to be safe for trade!!” It’s just word vomit; it has no base in reality.
In more ways than one. DOGE leadership is pulling directly from the post Soviet public sector chop up under Yeltsin
Americans are doing to themselves what we did to Eastern Europe thirty years ago.
Its funny seeing this stuff in r/conservative getting down voted as hell.
r/republican is no better. They literally spout the lies trump spews and believe them 100%
It usually gets upvoted to the moon. It's infuriating.
Wouldn’t be surprised if this was Made in St. Petersburg™️. And American ‘conservatives’ just lapping it up
The talking points might be, that supremacist US attitude is not. It's been there for decades.
Its not the Russians or Trump there is big part of the US that is hostile to anybody but their, imagined, version of America and places no real value on others even allies.
That’s true, but Russia is also very good at exploiting the enemy’s weaknesses. They don’t invent propaganda whole-cloth, they play on dark sentiments already present and boost them
There is so few actual people left in that sub. It’s just ai comments and absolute staggering amount of Astro turfed propaganda
Wow, so glad this brave American here could teach me so much about my own country. Let me just call up my drug dealing
prime ministergovernor and demand that he fix Canada immediately lest we face more punishment from Poppa Cheeseball. Thank you r/conservative, I'd be so lost without you proper Americans leading the way.That subreddit is nothing more than an echo chamber. If you express an even slightly reasonable view, you get banned.
The only way for dissenting opinions to be expressed is with the downvote button, and even then most reasonable people avoid going there because it's so frustrating to read.
Exactly. The only ones allowed to post (and have their comment seen) are the ones vetted by their mods. It’s a true echo chamber; every thread is flaired users only—and the only way to get a flair is to be “gifted” one by their mods.
It’s the blind leading the blind.
r/Conservative are like the lambs from Animal Farm.
Lol, I've literally never seen that many downvotes. What a toxic sub though.
I used to read it to see what conservatives were thinking. There used to be actual discourse in the comments about policy positions. It's now nothing more than brainrot and Russian trolls.
Has anyone found the secret spot where conservatives act normal and explain their reasoning? Please don't make me install nextdoor
Last time I had a "conservative act normal and explain their reasoning" they sounded like a toddler trying to explain the world to me. Lol
Let's be real, it's russian bot-rot too.
Yeah, seen my fair share of conservatives fail to preface their shock and disagreement with something with a lengthy apologia and get the banhammer for being a 'brigadier'.
They are absolute traitors. I'm so sorry, Canada
James O'Brien isn't my favourite talking head, but I do like his idea of having contempt for the conmen and compassion for the conned. These people have swallowed a lot of big lies and the fault is with the liars.
I agree that someone conned deserves compassion. You got tricked into sending someone money? Im sorry, even if it was dumb of you, im angry at the scammer.
But when you get scammed and the person who scammed you says theyre using your money for atrocious hateful acts, say making someones existence illegal, and you double down and say "well actually theyre right let me send more money, " you do not have any sympathy from me.
Nono, let these morons suffer their consequences. I hope they don't mind learning Russian because they're going to need it to communicate with their new masters.
You're 100% entitled (and right) to feel that way. But there are a lot of lies these people have been fed, often from birth, about for example white supremacy etc. that only education can really erase. Education is withheld by the same liars that profit from the hatred they whip up.
Now I'm not advocating for the softly, softly approach with them, I'm all for punching Nazis, and it's ultimately up to the individual what to believe. But these drones aren't the right target, it's the monsters that made them that way and hide behind them, the people in power advocating for e.g. religion and ethnonationalism to increase their power and profits. They are the root cause. And their first victims are these ignorant sheep forming a human shield around them. If I were to explain how much contempt I have for those people this would be a massive text wall that probably breaks Lemmy TOS.
I get what you are saying, I do. But just allowing everyone to quietly go back to their lives after doing monstrous things is the reason we are here in the first place. After the first civil war, the south was treated with kid gloves as far as the enemy combatants were concerned and there was very little reconstruction. This was a breeding ground of hate and resentment. None of the issues were resolved in any way. This is essentially the same civil war.
Agreed. If America really wants to free itself of toxic bigotry and such an easily exploitable weakness, it needs to detoxify conservative ideology by targeting MAGA and far right voices that benefit Russia.
The con they got suckered into is American Exceptionalism, and it's not Trumppy that suckered them. He's a victim of the same brainrot.
These guys are reveling in it, and I have no sympathy for those that choose "we're just better than everyone else" as part of their core identity.
If they were truely conned sure. But most of these guys just thought the pain would be placed on others, not them. They're fine woth others suffering, but the tears start to flow when they experience anything negative at all.
These people are adults and are responsible for their beliefs and actions.
100%
The difference is I would leave the door open for them to come back to reason, maybe even give them the benefit of the doubt. But the people purposely manipulating then are, I think, beyond forgiveness.
Remember when conservatives claimed that liberals would screech about "current thing"? Always projection.
I'm confused. The screenshot you shared just has two idiots sharing stupid opinions and 1.1 thousand/389 people (likely from the same subreddit) disagreeing with them.
I'm not saying the conservative subreddit isn't unhinged, but this feels pretty cherry picked.
Maybe share a photo of the most upvoted comments for a better reference?
If you spent time on other platforms like Threads you’d see a lot more of this being continuously spewed. It’s why I deleted my accounts on several services. While this might be a cherry picked example from that sub, the far right revisionist take is far, far more common on popular social media than you think.
One of the downsides of remote work is that I don't really talk to anyone outside my political alignment anymore, so it's hard for me to know anymore what's a bot/astroturf campaign and what IRL conservatives are actually thinking anymore.
It was a highly-awarded reply to the top comment, so it was the second comment you would see by default sorting (though it starts minimized).
But yeah to @OP this is not America or what Americans think. That sub is pure Russian disinfo and astroturfing. You could argue that it represents the administration and current policy, but most of the actual people here recognize this as lunacy, even on within the Putin echo chamber.
Sometimes, I wish I didn't have eyes... This is one of those times.
Jesus fucking christ. Like, if I typed that shit, I'd hope someone would put me in a fucking psych ward, stat. People need some fucking help.
It has been interesting to see "Canadian Conservatives", some of them top commenters, get viciously turned on by /r/conservative while lamenting about how this is hurting PP and the Conservatives movement in Canada.
I'm closer on the Mexican side of the country, but I'm gonna really miss having friendly neighbors. Sorry we've been so shitty lately to our northern and southern friends.
Yeah, a trade war with Canada is easy to win for the US
A trade war with Canada and Mexico is a bit tougher, the two biggest trading partners, pretty much
Mexico, Canada and China is tough
Mexico l, China, Canada, and the EU? You're fucked US
Buddy China alone outclasses USA in trade (they're even under sanctions)
Sanctioning China means a lot less when they've got half a dozen unaligned economies to back door and a voracious domestic economy to feed.
Sanctioning Canada is a bigger deal because of how much of the urban center is just plastered in a thin layer over America's northern border. Toronto, Windsor, and Vancouver can't function without access to their direct southern neighbors.
Cesspool, the question is what % are bots.
The problem is that we no longer agree on what reality is with Trump sycophants. For them lies are truth, night is day, less then 1% of fentanyl is a national emergency, etc even when presented with facts and objectivity. It’s legit terrifying and I don’t know how to fix it. I don’t know how our politicans are able to deal with people they can’t share reality with. Canada’s going to bear the brunt of US delusion and unreality.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.” Hannah Arendt.
You are right: They are no longer a part of our reality.
They exist in a twilight zone of their own making; able to be convinced, either by their paternalists or their own community, of any lie.
The rational were pushed out or scapegoated over time until only madness remained—as it does now.
The only good thing about cults of personality is that they tend to collapse when the personality does. One of the bad things is that they tend to take everyone with them on their way to collapse.
I found this video interesting, about Bonhoeffer's theory of stupidity and how it relates to Arendt's investigation into what made Nazis do what they did. In brief, he characterises stupidity as not just ignorance, but ignorance that resists and is opposed to learning, and he said this stupidity could be a more damaging force than evil.
https://youtu.be/53ZaXpIn2fg
0.2% of fentanyl inflow and 1.5% of migrants come via Canada. Both those justifications are just propaganda designed to manufacture consent for further pressure to push Canada to allow more influence by the malign forces that have pervaded the US. It's just the next step by oligarchs.
Pedo-Donald will try to annex Canada. For the first time of my life I'm considering getting a gun. We cannot trust conservatives anymore. Poilievre and mostly Ford are just playing the though guy card now to negociate a position, mark my words. Be prepare to fight.
Accept the annexation and in 10 years the entire US government will be run by Canadians. Just look at their entertainment industry, they can't resist our Canadian charms.
Funny but I will die before anyone can call me an american, that I can guarantee.
A shotgun is a really excellent choice. You don't have to be crazy accurate at close quarters, but you can still reach out and touch someone (remember, they're used for hunting Duck, Turkey, and Deer; games have to massively nerf their range because they're OP in real life). The ammo is pretty much everywhere and pretty affordable compared to some others. Also, if things don't kick off, you're not stuck with some mall ninja kit.
So wrong yet so smug
Eww, that's some level10 spinjutsu.
I saw someone on Facebook today talking about the orange rapist's claim that the US subsidizes us. Um, no.
The only 1% these guys can be in is 1% posters on the conservative subreddit.
Doubling down on tribalism won't save us from their ignorance. The degradation of a unified society by means of Us vs. Them thinking is how we got here in the first place and how things continue to get worse.
There are those at the fringes of that style of thinking that can be reached by those of us who are adjacent to them (via family, mutual friends, workplaces, etc.). Those folks at the fringes can reach those adjacent to them. We'll never get 100% of them on side but we can at least weaken the well-funded machine that continues to keep them uninformed by relating to people as human beings instead of stoking division like oligarchs intend for us to do.
Only thing I said that I think might be worth downvoting is "unified society," which might have unintentionally implied society was once completely unified. It felt so obvious I couldn't possibly mean that, it didn't even occur to me to be more precise there. In hindsight though, what I should have stressed is that we've been getting less unified than ever. We're losing the ability to see the humanity in one another, and have been for a long time.
Folks who sow division want to make it about culture or politics, but it was always about class or more fundamentally, power. The more willing we are to play the hierarchy game, the more power goes to the ones on top.
LOL! Then you have the Putin Bots and Xi's $0.50 Army mixing in with the f'ed up MAGAts.
Trying to explain to everyone who will listen that Jeff Bezos got rich doing Fivr jobs for the Chinese Communist Party, but they just keep laughing and dunking my head in the toilet.
Time to print a bunch of 'i did that' stickers with Trump's face and put them on US gas pumps.
It's like abusing a significant other and saying it's your fault that they had to do it.
Screenshot?
Added one. Couldn't see how to add more. I can appreciate that no one wants to give them traffic. It doesn't really matter because commenting there is highly restricted even if you have a reddit account in good standing. And the entire subreddit is incredibly fragile - you'll get permabanned for putting up anything that counters the tsunami of horseshit.
To link multiple images, you can either
link to an external gallery in the main post
place them in the post body with this format:
You can do the same in comments. For example if I go
It shows up like this
It's also best practice to add alt text in the square brackets:
Some apps and front ends will have a little image icon that can help you upload more images into the post / comment body
Appreciate it. Nice to see the downvotes.
Elbows up
All of these comments are severely downvoted. What are you every saying here? That one incredibly unpopular opinion represents them all?
Don't get me wrong, fuck them all. But this is such a stupid argument for your hate.
That happens when r/conservative gets to the front page where they are pant’ed/ brigaded.
They do not reach those numbers on their own, and the most heinous shit is defended by the mods with the same voracity as Reagan
I don't need r/Conservative as an argument for my hate. Listen to Rogan, or read any one of the dozens of other threads at that sub. Or even look a bit deeper in that post.
r/conservative is a curated sub. They float ideas like this to spin up some narrative that supports their underlying narratives. If their message went against the group think they would have been removed. You don't have to believe me. Just watch for a few days.
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The U.S. is Bizarro World.