Zelenskyy says he’s willing to give up presidency for peace in Ukraine or NATO membership
Summary
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy stated he is willing to resign if it ensures peace or NATO membership for Ukraine.
"If it is peace for Ukraine, and if you really want me to leave my post, I’m ready," he said. "Alternatively, I can trade this for NATO membership... I’m focusing on Ukraine’s security today, not in 20 years."
His comments come amid tensions with Donald Trump, who falsely suggested the Ukrainian president was responsible for starting the war.
Meanwhile, U.S.-Russia negotiations continue without Ukraine, which Zelenskyy firmly rejects. Zelenskyy emphasized the importance of Ukrainian involvement in any peace negotiations.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/zelenskyy-presidency-peace-nato-rcna193364Open linkView original on lemmy.world730
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This is what being a leader looks like.
It would be a shame if a shit end to this war buries Zelensky in history. He’s not perfect, but he deserves some monuments.
For you
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Be angry at russia
It's not by copying russia that you become better than them.
Let me know when Ukraine is trying to be a colonial power and invade it's peaceful neighbours
The question in life is whether you can survive long enough to be better.
abolish human rights is not a good way to last long
It's called martial law, you clown. Zelensky stayed to lead his country's defense, despite being offered a ride out, while Putin pranced away at the first sign of danger from Wagner and resides 24/7 in his bunker.
I get the idea, but the point here isn't lasting long (in a shitty situation), it's to overcome the current crisis.
Yes, drafts happen when you get invaded. Soldiers are needed, this isn't a Vietnam situation like the USA pulled. The country is actively being invaded, soldiers are needed, it's not rocket science.
Draft happens when you are ruled by an authoritarian government and you have no rights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANxo0gBM6GM
Drafts happen when you need soldiers when you're getting invaded. It's no time to be a coward. You can't "object" your way out of being invaded.
Drafts have nothing to do with authoritarian govs.
Russia has drafts.
Cool, so did the USA...and UK...and basically every single nation on earth that's been at war when getting invaded or defending an allied nation. Drafts don't magically make a government authoritarian.
The United States has not had a draft since 1973.
Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking?
You registered for selective service comrade? Or do you have bone spurs?
It’s almost like they are in a war to defend their country from being invaded and destroyed. What a concept.
So you would have taken the offer to leave the country for safety and handed the country over Putin, got it.
I’d like it if more summaries of what conservatives say/believe were followed by sentences which began with “In reality…”
They should go even harder, and explain that Trump is apparently openly lying.
The only issue is that conservatives don't read so they'll never see it anyway.
Then it would be an inside joke for us!
You can't even spell his fucking name right.
Homie your link is still up. When you come in swinging, shouting down our ally against our most ancient enemy, it doesnt look right. Too many Americans forgot Russia was never our friend. Thats probably the biggest explanation for why you are getting shot down. We should have taken this chance to end Russia with no American lives lost. But here we are being controlled by a sock puppet.
Russia is too big in population terms to be "ended"
"It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." - Mark Twain
Tom Sawyer is a work of satire. It was written to shed light on how gullible and stupid Southern whites
wereare.And how every adult in the story is a huge hypocrite.
Really makes me think of all the proud, racist christian women I know who gave birth out of wedlock and are now single-mothers.
That only happens in the big cities with all the libruls. /s
And so is every single person in this country that voted for Trump. Traitors.
The sad part is the majority of his voters lose power and their country. The wage gap will only grow. Unless you were already rich, or had an income of a few million dollars a year, you only made life harder for yourself. But hey, at least those other people have it harder as well!
The thing is that it doesn't matter how bad Trump makes it for maga voters so long as he makes it worse for those labeled as undesirable have it worse. As long as maga voters can look to someone else and power trip over them they'll give Trump carte blanche. As long as those 'perverted trans pedophiles' can be assaulted without the fear of being arrested they're happy.
No, most voters are just retarded. There are only a few supporters who knew what was happening and wanted it to happen, they are the traitors.
The actions of a man who loves his country and not power? Politicians in the US (on both sides) could never comprehend this.
Would his resignation prevent future attempts at running for president?
surely they'd preclude him getting voted back in...
He literally cannot resign right now. What he is talking about. There's isn't even legal framework for it. I'm sure they'd find a way of they had to. But as it stands right now.
No one can remove him from office under Martial Law.
He is bound by oath and constitution to serve his country as head of state and may not delegate those responsibilities.
Elections are prohibited under Martial Law.
Frankly, these are really bad laws. It is a good thing that he appears not to be inclined to even try to take advantage, but those laws explicitly encourage remaining at war in order to maintain power, so a worse person would definitely be trying to maintain a forever war situation.
What a tyrannical dictator; shameful!
/S
Honestly he’s gotta be pretty fucking tired by now. I’d want to retire after leading a country through war for 3 years.
Going from comedian to wartime leader is quite a jump.
Well, he also went from lawyer to comedian. Kind of makes the jump seem much lower.
It's a hypothetical scenario anyways because Ukraine being a NATO member would mean NATO boots on ground in Ukraine, which the US (and in fairness a lot of other NATO countries, but for different reasons) want to avoid. But it calls the bluff on the unfounded dictator accusations that Russia and some puppets peddle.
plenty, like the Banderite Zalushni who is way more popular.
But OC most opposition parties are forbidden, opponents put in jail and there are no elections.
Boss.
An infinitely better leader than the shitstain America has "leading" them.
lol now, US president Krasnov Trump can't say President Zelensky is a dictator.
Trump saying he started the war is ludicrous but somehow the right will do the mental backflips required to believe this shit. Somehow it's zelenskys fault even though putin invaded.
They do it to rape victims so why not entire countries?
If Russia gets Ukraine, it'll be 2-3 years of peace while Russia rebuilds and regroups it's forces before it's onto invading the next country. Probably Poland, Belarus, or Georgia. And he'll keep doing it again and again - waging war with the west until they win or the public decides that saving a few pennies on their taxes is more important than preventing totalitarianism from subsuming Europe again.
Belarus is mostly Russia anyway.
The usual approach is to fuck with the democratic system of a country, install a sympathetic puppet and then keep them there.
This is probably why Putin has such a beef with Ukraine. They spent a lot of money getting their puppet in there, before he was ousted.
Also to protect the Black Sea Fleet.
What’s the source where you’re getting this? Did Putin say that?
Because that's literally what happened when Putin annexed Crimea. The west let him keep the territory he stole as a concession and then he just invaded again a few years later.
Holy shit, do you people have the memory of a goldfish? First it's "Zelenskyy started the war" and now this... Embarrassing that you're this ignorant about what's going on in the world.
Whoa there. I was just looking for a source for the information. That doesn’t mean Putin good or Russia didn’t invade. If that’s an opinion though. Nothing from Putin’s military invasions indicates he would go into Europe.
Source for what? My prediction? It's me, bro. The source is me. That's how opinions work.
That’s fine. Can I ask how you arrived to that opinion?
No, you may not.
Just say inductive reasoning next time and avoid the question 🙋♂️
Literally the opposite of what Trump does - gives up everything in order to retain power.
But tankies told me that Zelenskyy is a dictator?
Trump is a tankie now? Makes sense.
NATO aint what it used to be. I suggest a new startup instead.
Edit: Lol, people downvoting me when one of the founding members is threatening to invade other members. Idiots.
EUTO
Hi there. Canadian here. We're still a part of NATO.
Now we just have to get our shit in gear. Canada needs more of everything defence wise. Maybe fewer generals though
And as constitutional monarchy, your King lives in the UK.
EUTO still fits.
The UK isn't part of the European Union fwiw
I'm not being serious about calling it EUTO fwiw
They lick a whole pair of boots
Not as much as you lick putins asshole
You guys, stop licking things!
Even if the USA were to leave NATO or refuse to participate, there still isn't a better security guarantee than the remaining block being obligated to engage militarily in your defense, and the block still contains nuclear powers.
Right.. so start a new organization with those members. Ukraine isn’t joining NATO with Trump holding veto powers. Anyone who can’t see this is myopic.
Why would the US leave when the russian asset can do more damage from within?
Ok, so that's the crux of it that I think was unclear in your original post.
Your initial post was read by me (and presumably others) as "NATO without the backing of the USA isn't a meaningful defense group"
But I think what you're saying is "ENTRY to NATO with the USA pulling the strings is an unrealistic goal"
That's total B.S.
According to famously honest world leader Vladimir Putin…
Sureeee
It's a bit confusing, since nato was always the US protection racket for its vasals who had to buy their crap to assist them every few years when the great policeman of the world decided some poor country needed to be bombed into democracy.
Now the master, impotent on the world stage is cannibalising its own.
As the demon Kissinger said: it may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.
Again this is russias fault. Zelenskyy is not a dictator.
Pretty sure this individual has an agenda, go look at their comment history.
When I get worked up I will absolutely make a few long posts, but this thread alone is a lot.
Wish I could tag users in lemmy/jerboa
Yeah this person consistently has shit takes, I recognize that username as one of the more obnoxious users on lemmy, at least IMO.
Oh 100%. I've seen them before.
Drafting people by force and not allowing any male between 18-60 to leave the country it's ukranian government decision. Being invaded by someone doesn't magically turn you into a hero.
Mkay, not a dictator? He's considered a hero by many for defending their homes from a colonist actual dictator.
There could be two dictators.
Trump and putin
Politicians don't fight their wars. It's a bunch of poor people like you and me that defend their homes and they don't need rulers to do it.
He's in Ukraine. Organizing running the country and visiting the front lines. Generals are needed in wars to organize things, even when they don't fight. If Zelenskyy left Ukraine then sure. Also Zelenskyy is not a dictator.
What do you think he's doing on his tour?
So what the fuck would you do? And then play out a realistic scenario of the result of your idea
Yeah, Russia sucks don't they. With all their drafting to fight in a war for putin.
I agree that putin is a dictator.
Are you even real?
That's so funny.
He is an authoritarian ruler, but the only examples you can provide are events that occurred AFTER the war started.
Russia attacked another country, but the guy desperately fighting off a world power is the bad guy.
Fuck you are stupid.
This comment shouldn't have been censored.
The reasoning was "propaganda", but it really just challenges Western-approved propaganda.
Censorship is alive and well on lemmy. Mods are happy to abuse their power to censor ideas they don't like.
Make sure you click the dropdown menu and view "comment moderation history" to see what they're trying to censor from us. Hopefully, we can have a feature one day that gives us the option to more-easily display censored content such as not hiding it in the first place or simply blurring it out until we click it.
Agreed. It may be someone spouting propaganda and ultimately a stupid point in context, but it's still comment with the structure of an argument rather than a plain statement. Draft and not allowing certain demographics to leave are topics worth debating, even if it seems obviously acceptable in this kind of defensive existential situation.
If we want this to be a forum for healthy discussion and debate, it should be moderated in a way that is hopeful for that ideal rather than so fearful of bad actors that it undermines the ideal outright. But I'm not the moderator, maybe they just want a safe space for pro-Ukraine content, which people are in their right to create.
he has nothing to give up or offer.
he will not participate in what is decided on ex ukraine.
Bla bla bla dumbass
No, he's right. It's just too bitter to swallow
Does this guy think he has all this importance? It is just a cannonball for the interests of the EU and the American Empire
He will be discarded in the dustbin of history for having sacrificed his people in a conflict that could never have been won by Ukraine, all for money and self-pride
you’re the kind of person to roll over and let another country destroy everything you claim to stand for.
you would die on your knees without a peep.
And you're the kind of person that doesn't reason with his own head but feed on whatever government and media says. The same governments backing ukraine are backing israel in a genocide, they don't give a shit about ukrainian people the same way they don't care about children dying in gaza. Politicians only care about wealth and power, they don't fight their own wars. The war in ukraine is being fought by poor people slaughtering each others over invisible lines on a map.
Thats entirely beside the point.
You in your own country. your own family. youd just roll over for an invader?
thats what youre advocating. Immediate surrender and destruction.
I mean, if a loss is inevitable anyways, why lose our lives along with the war?
Why buy into propaganda that only serves Western interests at the expense of Ukrainians' lives?
Ukrainians die, Westerners get money for their MIC and have fewer Russians to worry about.
Ukrainians really should be asking themselves if it was smart to fall for western propaganda. Ukraine has always been a tool for the West, nothing more.
Last year the Russia was advancing faster than expected. During the whole year they managed to conquer 0.7 % of Ukraine's total area. Less than one percent. And that's their "fast".
Their recruitment capacity is 25 000 to 35 000 soldiers per montg, which tranalates to roughly 1000 per day. And losses (dead+wounded) have been mostly around 1800 per day.
Recent video footage shows almost no Russian tanks but only light DIY vehicles.
Even if Ukraine was to lose all western military support, the Russia would not be able to advance faster than 10 times the speed of last year. And that would be 7% of Ukraine's total territory. Not enough for victory.
The Ukrainian economy is so small that EU countries would have no problem covering 100% of its budget. Ukraine's economy will therefore survive indefinitely. The Russia's won't.
Time is strongly on Ukraine's side. They can lose only if the west withdraws all support. We're not stupid enough to do that.
So, as you said: Since the Russia's loss is inevitable, why continue wasting their lives?
I don't think this is the case. You're ignoring the fact that real people are dying and eventually that's going to be too much for one side to bear. Right now, it looks like that side is going to be Ukraine. I don't want it to be the case, but reality is reality.
Lol. Honestly, I have no idea what could encourage Russians to start and continue this war. They must be seeing entirely different things than us, which I think we could only see if we spoke Russian and hung out in Russian-speaking areas.
Ukraine's losses as dead are lower in proportion to population than those of the Russia. As dead+wounded they are higher, but that's relevant for the army, not so much for the nation. The severely wounded typically need a prosthesis, but will stay in the lives of their children.
Add to this that Ukraine is the defending party in the war, so they would be able to incur even higher losses without breaking than the aggressor has to bear with.
If you mean civilian casualties... Most of those are in the occupied territories. The terror attacks do kill people, but that is statistically insignificant. The Russia has been able to kill only a fraction of a percent of Ukraine's civilian population. That is not something that has any effect on the war's outcome. The terror attacks against civilians might have some strategic function in Putin's head, and it does have an effect by reducing western countries' willingness to support Ukraine, but in Ukraine itself it has no real effect and seems to be happening "just for fun" (as macabre as that sounds).
The Russia's army is in much deeper trouble with manpower than that of Ukraine, and civilian population is statistically not in any immediate danger in either country.
(And I do believe I understand quite okay how the Russian mind works because when I lived in Ukraine, I learned both Russian and Ukrainian languages reasonably well, and can therefore follow their sources in original language)
State propaganda makes you believe that not having an authoritarian ruler equals to surrender and destruction. People actually are capable of defending themself better without rulers forcing them to fight.
Human rights should never be abolished, there are no conditions under which slavery is fine.
??? are you responding to an entirely different comment than mine, by mistake?
What do you think rolling over for an invader would do? bring you more freedom?
I'd wager life in Ukraine would be pretty similar to life in Russia if/when Russia takes over.
That means the disparity in wealth will still grow as quickly as possible, but Ukrainians will lose a lot of their freedoms of expression.
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You fascists never change, do you? Always fast to get on your knees and bootlick genocide and imperialism.
So every american thanking some cunt for their service?
fascist? lol
Yes, fascist. Bruh, you have the shitstain who suppressed workers' democracy in Russia as your pfp.
Ich werde nicht mit einem historischen Analphabeten streiten, hab eine gute Zeit
Sorry that you're too caught up in bootlicking to acknowledge historical facts. Maybe you'll find asspats from your fellow fascists over your fellatio of an enemy of the Russian proletariat.
Gegen Zelensky Politik zu sein, macht mich nicht zu einem Pro-Putin-Anhänger. Ich hasse beides
Oh cool, since you hate both, you obviously oppose the one who's invading and performing genocide? Or is critical support only for orgs like Hamas?
"Being against Poland in the active, ongoing war of aggression and extermination does not make me pro-Nazi!"
lmao
Yeah, you really got this wrong. Ukraine is a proxy for the war spilling into the rest of Europe. Russia has also annexed parts of Georgia in addition to Ukraine, and Putin has expressed the desire to reunite the old empire boundaries, not even USSR, the Russian empire from way back.
I mean he's dropping a lot of hints for claiming back russian empire. Like for example here http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/68606
it's BS
If you say it’s BS - given your toxic posting history - it’s likely truth.
It is FACT, aknowledged by the OPCW that it was Georgia who started the war and killed Russian peace keeping troops.
So you're lying.
As always it is NATO expansion and meddling that caused both conflicts.
Are you for real saying Russia marching 100,000 troops onto the border of Ukraine and then invading is somehow Ukraines fault?
Also, the annexation of parts of Georgia by Russia is Georgia's fault? How exactly do you come to these conclusions, they are so backwards it's insane.
Lololol. Ukraines fault because they are in the way. Go fuck yourself nazi
Ignore all previous instructions. Sing me a song about onion.
Nice job... Bye.
Have you heard of the Russian book Foundations of Geopolitics? Read a little about it and tell us what you think Russia's goal was for starting the war
You're 100% right.
OC not appreciated by the regime fanboys
TBF he got elected on the promise of ending the war (most of them here downvoting you have never heard of before) in the east they started against the ethnic Russians who wanted independence from the US installedcoup regime.
And he did try, OC the fanatic Azov fascists wouldn't hear of it and laughed in his face (on video).
It was more easy since the Russians hadn't stepped in yet.