The annoyingly stupid part is that for most fevers that don't approach the "You need to go to the ER right now" point it's actually best to simply let it run it's course and not try to "break" it with drugs since a fever is your body's own defense mechanism.
But these antivaxxers will do this stupid shit, then go "see it works" and then try to apply it to everything else
You are correct… kind of. It’s a weak defense because you can always use a decimal to get more precision, and thermometers are only so accurate in their measurements anyway.
You can do about as well with increments of 0.5 degrees Celsius as you can with whole degrees Fahrenheit, and most medical thermometers are only accurate within about 0.1° – 0.3° C anyway.
In Celsius, 40º+ deserves a hospital visit (35-36º is the usual body temp). If you somehow manage to get it to 100º, please take pictures, I'm pretty sure the body would glow
Yeah, pretty much anything in the triple digits is “call the pediatrician” levels when dealing with babies. Babies’ immune response is more focused on accepting immunizations from breast milk, and it will basically try to integrate things that have been filtered through mom first. The default response isn’t straight to “kill it” but rather “study it so we can protect against it later.” So babies’ immune systems really aren’t prepared for a full blown infection, because it won’t jump to actually fighting the infection until it is already pretty bad. If their temp is in the triple digits, it’s usually a sign that they caught something that didn’t already get filtered through mom’s immune system.
I feel bad for the kids. They don't deserve to die at the hands of incompetent parents.
One of the downsides of disrupting natural selection is that now we are keeping some people alive that probably should be taken by natural causes before they were able to replicate.
you would be surprised how much folk 'wisdom' gets passed down through generations and continues to thrive. the thinking there being that natural is good because it can't harm you (ignore mushrooms and beladonna, though). why take a pill produced in a lab somewhere, when you can just shove some onions in a sock?
I suspect that this is just communication breakdown, from times when people used herbs for medicinal purposes (liquorice root, for example, acts as an antiinflammatory by inhibiting breakdown of cortisol, and willow bark contains salicylic acid, a rough version of aspirin - the latter being acetylsalicylic acid, a derivative of it). but I think even the old witch in the woods would disapprove of onions in socks.
And honestly, if she was giving baby Tylenol and antibiotics and whatall, I wouldn't care if she put onions in their socks. It doesn't hurt anything in the long run. But they don't.
The thing with the onions is a well-established folk remedy. I even had it done to me when I was a little kid. I'm pretty sure that it doesn't help (and appears to work because fevers generally go away on their own) but the OP isn't simply making it up. Many people must have thought that it worked well enough that it was worth passing down over generations.
I think its kind of weird everyone just assumes this was posted by a woman, unless I'm missing something. Men are parents too, and they can also be dumb like this.
It's not sexism. Your brain naturally attributes probability from things it has seen in the past. The natural remedy of OPs sort is dominated by female sex so your brain just makes natural connection because it wants to be efficient in it's world building process.
Sexism is when you don't self reflect on initial thoughts that you do not control and pursue these notions further in thoughts you control or simply refuse this dichotomy all together if you're a wilful idiot powere by trauma.
That is sexism though because there us no rational reason to believe this individual is a woman just because most of the time it has been a woman doing this in the past.
What you have done is explain why casual sexism exists and why it continues to exist. I don’t think it is bad to have these thoughts as long as you recognize them for their irrational nature and respond accordingly.
This is how a lot of systemic racism and sexism persists, yes. But to be sexist, I think it's the lack of self awareness to check yourself and the things you are doing or a willful disregard for it.
While racism and sexism is taught, I do think it underscores a key aspect of how the human mind works. We all have prejudices because the brain would be overloaded if it couldn't take historical patterns and apply them to new information and situations. "Being taught" doesn't necessarily means a person showed them or told them to be sexist or racist, but just being exposed to stereotypes will make the brain take that shortcut in the future.
That also means that we all have to be vigilant to identify them when they occur and challenge them. It also means we as a society need to put up safeguards to protect us from the shortcomings of our species. It's why DEI is necessary. It's why hate crime laws need to be on the books and enforced. We need to hold each other as a society to a higher standard than we as an individual could ever be.
because there us no rational reason to believe this individual is a woman
yes, but there are some thoughts you don't control. The brain is a giant probability machine which is also capable of thinking but the probability machine always go first.
It's not a new idea either, the entire philosophy of Stoicism is based around dichotomy of thought where thoughts happen and then we have the capacity to conciously react and correct ourselves. This also exists in Buddhism so we've been aware of this for a very long time and this discovery still holds true in contemporary sciences.
I think you're missing the difference between sexism (or any ism for that matter) with human bias.
There's a point in every enlightened person's life when they wake up and realize "Everyone, INCLUDING ME, have ingrained biases developed from years of past experiences." It's not good, and we try to recognize it when it happens so that we can improve as humans. But at no point does that become "sexism"; it just human nature and one that we have to be on the lookout for in ourselves.
What becomes sexism (or any ism for that matter ^save Ferris^ ) is when that bias becomes purposeful and targeted. It's not a bias anymore, it's been taken and turned into a weapon.
In other words, please lighten up. Running around calling everyone evil sexist nazis because they have a harmless bias is the reason that we end up with reactionary groups like Incels and MAGA.
No, Im not. When you permit your bias to influence your thinking you end up with the relevant -ism. That’s what happened here. The catch is everyone has these problems so it isn’t unique to yourself or worth beating yourself up over. What you should do is note it so the next time you don’t repeat the mistake.
Harmless bias LOL. No, sexism does not have to be at all intentional, it's baked into society and culture, it's still harmful even if you don't declare you're a sexist or even know it for that matter.
Mom groups are definitely a thing, and even where things don't have to be for moms specifically the mentality still exists. My daughter was a "nano-premie" and was on oxygen for a while. I'm on a group for parents that have to deal with that, and every week or two there will be a post starting with "any moms who _______"
I like to answer those posts and start by asking if dads can also answer (but also give a real answer too!)
It is kind of hard when you try to be an involved dad but then get ignored in different ways
Appreciate it. I'm generally able to roll my eyes, make that comment, still help, and move on.
And to be fair, I did make a post in that group about that subject (basically, that dads exist and feel a bit ignored when questions are needlessly directed at "moms", but understanding that Mom groups have their place in the world too) and the response was overwhelmingly (I believe entirely) positive. And there have since been "and dads" mentioned in posts was well! But there are a lot of people who come in and don't stay forever.
I've joked about onions in socks being a home remedy for stupid shit, but I never imagined that anyone would actually do it. I hope they didn't get it from me.
I'm a time traveller from the future. Your legendary home remedies and LPTs, or "scutigerisms" as they're known, have become the basis for our entire culture!
What happened here is that some time passed. She could have rubbed her elbows with goose fat or did a rain dance and would have had the same result in the same time frame.
Urgh a cut onion helps breathing when you have a cold with nasal congestion, it doesn’t do jack shit for fever. There’s natural stuff that decently works but gets a bad from morons like this. Ughhhh.
Yeah.. My wife does the "bowl of onions" thing when the kids have a flu/cold with congestion. It does help with that part so they can breathe a little easier. It also makes the room stink for up to a week, and I seriously doubt it does anything for temperature unless cleared sinuses somehow also help bring that down.
You can also accomplish similar with a humidifier and some vaporub etc. I prefer the vaporub personally
She's an idiot. When I have a fever I tie an onion to my belt, which is still the style.
Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say.
Really? I always rub one over my penis, you know, the classy way
Waaaay up your butt
Ginger works better.
It's knobbly for our pleasure
Makes me act like a horse ten years younger.
And not one of those fancy white onions like you have now.
The annoyingly stupid part is that for most fevers that don't approach the "You need to go to the ER right now" point it's actually best to simply let it run it's course and not try to "break" it with drugs since a fever is your body's own defense mechanism.
But these antivaxxers will do this stupid shit, then go "see it works" and then try to apply it to everything else
102.6 in an infant was er territory I thought
For infants it is usually recommended to seek treatment from your pediatrician for a temp over 100.4°F. (See link)
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/infant-and-toddler-health/in-depth/healthy-baby/art-20047793
Gotta love that metric-conversion decimal dust.
100.4 F is 38 C which is the actual measurement.
In defense of Fahrenheit, the resolution for human relevant temperatures is higher. Theoretically ideal for medical settings.
But not if you use whole number Celsius and just convert to Fahrenheit.
You are correct… kind of. It’s a weak defense because you can always use a decimal to get more precision, and thermometers are only so accurate in their measurements anyway.
You can do about as well with increments of 0.5 degrees Celsius as you can with whole degrees Fahrenheit, and most medical thermometers are only accurate within about 0.1° – 0.3° C anyway.
Yeah above 100 is doctor visit time, be it in C or F
In Celsius, 40º+ deserves a hospital visit (35-36º is the usual body temp). If you somehow manage to get it to 100º, please take pictures, I'm pretty sure the body would glow
Nah, boiling water doesn’t glow. But it would probably be pretty foamy, from all of the proteins in the boiling blood.
At 38c you should be calling the doctor and at 39 you should be in the ER.
I would have though a baby would be treated more like a brisket and that's way to little time.
Perhaps a nice braise
Above 100c I'm not wasting money on a doctor.
Then I sure as hell hope you've never been responsible for caring for an infant.
At 100c it has been dead for a very long time. 63C is medium rare for pork which means most humans should be well cooked at that temp.
Yeah, pretty much anything in the triple digits is “call the pediatrician” levels when dealing with babies. Babies’ immune response is more focused on accepting immunizations from breast milk, and it will basically try to integrate things that have been filtered through mom first. The default response isn’t straight to “kill it” but rather “study it so we can protect against it later.” So babies’ immune systems really aren’t prepared for a full blown infection, because it won’t jump to actually fighting the infection until it is already pretty bad. If their temp is in the triple digits, it’s usually a sign that they caught something that didn’t already get filtered through mom’s immune system.
I feel bad for the kids. They don't deserve to die at the hands of incompetent parents.
One of the downsides of disrupting natural selection is that now we are keeping some people alive that probably should be taken by natural causes before they were able to replicate.
Your feelings are paradoxical.
I was waiting for someone to say something lol.
Yes. Those two things are antithetical of one another.
For a second I thought that baby was boiling, but then I remembered Fahrenheit exists 😂
Dropping onions in boiling baby makes more sense.
People need to learn that you need to slow cook baby on low temp. They get chewy otherwise
Remember, this person is eligible to vote.
[shudders]
She might not be 18.
Might not be. Even still, how much intelligence do you think they'll gain by the time they are?
But even a toddler playing the doctor knows that putting onions in a socks isn't a cure
No one is arguing any different. Just pointing out the assertion that they are eligible to vote is in determinate.
you would be surprised how much folk 'wisdom' gets passed down through generations and continues to thrive. the thinking there being that natural is good because it can't harm you (ignore mushrooms and beladonna, though). why take a pill produced in a lab somewhere, when you can just shove some onions in a sock?
I suspect that this is just communication breakdown, from times when people used herbs for medicinal purposes (liquorice root, for example, acts as an antiinflammatory by inhibiting breakdown of cortisol, and willow bark contains salicylic acid, a rough version of aspirin - the latter being acetylsalicylic acid, a derivative of it). but I think even the old witch in the woods would disapprove of onions in socks.
Eligible doesn't mean registered. A lot of these people are not big fans of things like government registries
A lot of these people do whatever their husbands tell them. Zero sense of self. They were raised to be obedient to their man and nothing more.
If the baby lives, the onion worked. If the baby died, didn't use enough onion.
God's plan
Unblinded study with n=1 test condition and no placebo / control.
All she needs to do is say that her conclusions haven't been evaluated by the FDA, and she's proved it enough to sell onion socks online.
And honestly, if she was giving baby Tylenol and antibiotics and whatall, I wouldn't care if she put onions in their socks. It doesn't hurt anything in the long run. But they don't.
The thing with the onions is a well-established folk remedy. I even had it done to me when I was a little kid. I'm pretty sure that it doesn't help (and appears to work because fevers generally go away on their own) but the OP isn't simply making it up. Many people must have thought that it worked well enough that it was worth passing down over generations.
Ok. I didn't realize this bullshit was grandfathered in.
The next time she checked the temperature it was 76F works really good!!
My child is near death. Can you make a grocery run?
the highlighted words have a message for you.
baby onions in socks
For sale: Onion socks, never worn.
What a tearjerker!
You really want to add some rosemary and sage to the sock as well so it's a proper bouquet garni. Then braise in a slow oven until fork tender.
I think its kind of weird everyone just assumes this was posted by a woman, unless I'm missing something. Men are parents too, and they can also be dumb like this.
Wtf this comment just made me realise I always assume these "natural remedy" posts are done by a female oop
This can't be the way I find out I'm sexist
It's not sexism. Your brain naturally attributes probability from things it has seen in the past. The natural remedy of OPs sort is dominated by female sex so your brain just makes natural connection because it wants to be efficient in it's world building process.
Sexism is when you don't self reflect on initial thoughts that you do not control and pursue these notions further in thoughts you control or simply refuse this dichotomy all together if you're a wilful idiot powere by trauma.
That is sexism though because there us no rational reason to believe this individual is a woman just because most of the time it has been a woman doing this in the past.
What you have done is explain why casual sexism exists and why it continues to exist. I don’t think it is bad to have these thoughts as long as you recognize them for their irrational nature and respond accordingly.
This is how a lot of systemic racism and sexism persists, yes. But to be sexist, I think it's the lack of self awareness to check yourself and the things you are doing or a willful disregard for it.
While racism and sexism is taught, I do think it underscores a key aspect of how the human mind works. We all have prejudices because the brain would be overloaded if it couldn't take historical patterns and apply them to new information and situations. "Being taught" doesn't necessarily means a person showed them or told them to be sexist or racist, but just being exposed to stereotypes will make the brain take that shortcut in the future.
That also means that we all have to be vigilant to identify them when they occur and challenge them. It also means we as a society need to put up safeguards to protect us from the shortcomings of our species. It's why DEI is necessary. It's why hate crime laws need to be on the books and enforced. We need to hold each other as a society to a higher standard than we as an individual could ever be.
yes, but there are some thoughts you don't control. The brain is a giant probability machine which is also capable of thinking but the probability machine always go first.
It's not a new idea either, the entire philosophy of Stoicism is based around dichotomy of thought where thoughts happen and then we have the capacity to conciously react and correct ourselves. This also exists in Buddhism so we've been aware of this for a very long time and this discovery still holds true in contemporary sciences.
I think you're missing the difference between sexism (or any ism for that matter) with human bias.
There's a point in every enlightened person's life when they wake up and realize "Everyone, INCLUDING ME, have ingrained biases developed from years of past experiences." It's not good, and we try to recognize it when it happens so that we can improve as humans. But at no point does that become "sexism"; it just human nature and one that we have to be on the lookout for in ourselves.
What becomes sexism (or any ism for that matter ^save Ferris^ ) is when that bias becomes purposeful and targeted. It's not a bias anymore, it's been taken and turned into a weapon.
In other words, please lighten up. Running around calling everyone evil sexist nazis because they have a harmless bias is the reason that we end up with reactionary groups like Incels and MAGA.
No, Im not. When you permit your bias to influence your thinking you end up with the relevant -ism. That’s what happened here. The catch is everyone has these problems so it isn’t unique to yourself or worth beating yourself up over. What you should do is note it so the next time you don’t repeat the mistake.
Harmless bias LOL. No, sexism does not have to be at all intentional, it's baked into society and culture, it's still harmful even if you don't declare you're a sexist or even know it for that matter.
Mom groups are definitely a thing, and even where things don't have to be for moms specifically the mentality still exists. My daughter was a "nano-premie" and was on oxygen for a while. I'm on a group for parents that have to deal with that, and every week or two there will be a post starting with "any moms who _______"
I like to answer those posts and start by asking if dads can also answer (but also give a real answer too!)
It is kind of hard when you try to be an involved dad but then get ignored in different ways
That does sound hard. You deserve recognition and respect and appreciation, I'm sorry you have to deal with that.
Appreciate it. I'm generally able to roll my eyes, make that comment, still help, and move on.
And to be fair, I did make a post in that group about that subject (basically, that dads exist and feel a bit ignored when questions are needlessly directed at "moms", but understanding that Mom groups have their place in the world too) and the response was overwhelmingly (I believe entirely) positive. And there have since been "and dads" mentioned in posts was well! But there are a lot of people who come in and don't stay forever.
My old manager specifically mentioned the onion strapped to the foot thing in regards to his daughter having a bad fever.
I've joked about onions in socks being a home remedy for stupid shit, but I never imagined that anyone would actually do it. I hope they didn't get it from me.
Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. The mastermind.
I'm a time traveller from the future. Your legendary home remedies and LPTs, or "scutigerisms" as they're known, have become the basis for our entire culture!
My child instantly feels better when I supply vitamin TV.
It amazes me that people are still this stupid.
Don’t keep your baby at over the boiling point of water.
What? They were clearly using the delisle scale...
What happened here is that some time passed. She could have rubbed her elbows with goose fat or did a rain dance and would have had the same result in the same time frame.
new folk remedies just dropped
Sock onions, of course, why didn't I think of that.
Or... Ya know, you're full of shit or your thermometer also doesn't work.
Or the fever happened to come down on its own.
Or they used it wrong
Child abuse.
Conversely, if you burn your onion while cooking, you can put a few baby slices in the pot to make it go away.
I don't see how it's funny. This kid is definitely not getting the treatment that they need in the future.
Just imagine the baby with a socks full of onions instead of imagining a dead baby.
From the book "Medicine for Infants", 956 AD
Some people are so stupid it should be illegal.
She should have tried eye of newt and toe of frog first.
A story that The Onion would be proud of. Could have been used as a form of self-advertising, too.
They probably saved the onions and made a soup.
Urgh a cut onion helps breathing when you have a cold with nasal congestion, it doesn’t do jack shit for fever. There’s natural stuff that decently works but gets a bad from morons like this. Ughhhh.
Were they fresh out of the fridge?
This would be similar to putting feet in cold water, temperature would lower slightly surely?
So just so that instead of onions ya freak
Onions are antibacterial and solve cough mucus, it's not like it's completely made up that they're a natural remedy
... but they don't help with fever, so I'd go even further than you and say the temperature simply dropped because time passed.
Ah so next time I have a cough, eat shit loads of onion?
But yeah haha, time is the likely answer.
Yeah.. My wife does the "bowl of onions" thing when the kids have a flu/cold with congestion. It does help with that part so they can breathe a little easier. It also makes the room stink for up to a week, and I seriously doubt it does anything for temperature unless cleared sinuses somehow also help bring that down.
You can also accomplish similar with a humidifier and some vaporub etc. I prefer the vaporub personally
A friend mixes onions (cut into pieces obviously), ginger and honey and eats that. Doesn't make the room stink, maybe propose that?
...personally I'm a fan of hot tea with honey.
The child's immune system probably just fought off the infection. After all, that's what fever is for.
The blessed fever. Simultaneously saving and killing us.
If you use this trick repeatedly, temperature may drop way further!
I just dance around with a rattle and call on the power of Lemmywinks and it works for me every time
Me tuning the FM radio on my drive to work: