Is Elon Musk Staging a Coup? Billionaire Seizes Control at Treasury Dept.
There is a coup occurring now
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It's a fascist coup.
They took control of the judiciary some time ago, they recently seized the executive and now they're destroying any remaining institutional power that can oppose them.
The current regime is not legitimate.
The current technically still is, but the regime they are transforming into won't be anymore legitimate.
With all the voters suppression tactics, gerrymandering in the house, and all the ballots they had discarded, it's not legitimate.
Elon's cash for votes scheme, the amount of russian money and planning on one side, plus there's a decent chance that the fascists just committed direct electoral fraud as well.
No one has convincingly explained away the abnormally high number of bullet ballots and odd ballot switching at 500 votes in swing states like AZ, IMO.
I saw a more reputable site say that they weren't actually as high because counting wasn't complete and the % more evened out and that guy also had wrong numbers in cases, but I really didn't follow up enough on it to know if it was legit not a problem, or if that site was the one making up shit.
I believe you. Can you share where you saw this?
I don't have time to verify this, I'm busy for a bit, but, a quick search brings up this
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/21/stephen-spoonamore-letter-harris/
Again I haven't even had time to go through this, but it might give you more details to follow and find other sources based on whats in there.
It's not legitimate because most of the stuff they are doing is plain out-and-out illegal. But like they (Don Jr., etc) said before the election, they were going to go ahead and do it anyway and dare anyone including SCOTUS to try and stop them. It's going to come down to our military to choose a side.
Honestly, if this gets bad enough, I won't be surprised if the military indirectly allows him to be removed by force.
It's incredibly rare for a tyrant to actually be removed by force by a mob of disorganized revolutionaries. When you see instances of this happening, what's usually actually happening is that the military has lost all confidence in the dictator, and they simply stand aside and let the mob storm the palace.
Think about just what a precarious situation Trump and Musk are going to find themselves in after they fire half the federal government. The DC metro area is going to be at a level of unemployment that dwarfs that of the Great Depression. The whole population of DC will be wanting to see heads on pikes.
The military wouldn't even have to intervene directly themselves. All they would have to do is stand aside and let the mob storm the gates. That exact scenario has brought down countless tyrants over the generations.
Dictators don't tend to meet good ends.
One thing I feel sure of is that at some point Trump will order the military to fire on civilians. I thought it would take some time to build up to that point, but I hadn't factored the magnitude of the Musk variable into the equation. I'd love it if there really was a deep state that would step in and come to our rescue via some kind of "special operation".
Doesn't the army already have little trust in Trump?
And the new SecDef can just throw out anyone who decides to get in the way or defy orders, no matter how illegal. They'll keep digging until they either scare everyone into following orders, or they'll deputize loyal GOP members as a sort of paramilitary (including their friends in the various militias).
He polls really well with them for whatever reason.
Except the current "president" isn't constitutionally eligible to hold the office after inciting insurrection, so no, it really isn't legitimate even now
https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no
Fully understand what is happening here in America. The far right has destroyed the rule of law and are just acting to destroy our government. Don’t let this happen to your country. Don’t let Elon Musk any where near your elections or near your country.
Further, look and see what courting the rich and meritocracy has bought. This is the natural and probable consequences of decades and decades of austerity, privatization, and supply side economics. They're telling you the same lies they told us, and telling you it will be different for you. It won't be.
A little late.
Russians and fossil fuel corporations are cheering
Too late. He tweeted "Cześć" (or Hello). How scared should I be?
It's not a coup if it's not against the Leadership of a sovereign nation
What it is, is a Constitutional Crisis led by the Executive Branch (Trump, and his minion Musk with Trumps permission and direction) disregarding Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution is known as the "taxing and spending clause." Clause 2 is known as the "borrowing clause.", against the Legislative Branch (Congress), which will ultimately be decided by the Judicial Branch (The Supreme Court)
The very bad news is all 3 Branches of US Government are squarely in control of Republicans, since the last election in November, who are blindly supporting Trump
It still could be a coup inside the coup, where Musk takes control of so much of the administration that he can set the stage for a final coup to take down Trump and impose himself.
Man can you imagine Elon as a president? Jeb Bush was cringe but Elon would hit cringe and awkward levels off the charts...
Sorry, which timeline are you posting from that Jeb Bush was president?
Now hold on... Let's not be too hasty here.
If there is another timeline, how is everything going over there? We might still have some options...
Someone said I can find a bus trip to a jeb bush presidency time line here?
Can I bring my any perishables? Or should I throw out all my spoilables?
Yes, you want Super Comfortable Passenger line buses.
E: ducking autocorrupt
I was just referring to Jeb Bush as being the most cringe president(ial candidate) so far, Elon would be so much worse though.
It sounds like that's where we are right now.
George W Bush, Chaney/Haliburton flashbacks.
They literally can't help themselves.
It's also a breach of the oath taken to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. But an oath is only as good as the intent of the maker.
Trump didn’t put his hand on the bible so the oath doesn’t count!
That's actually something I have no problem with, other than the hypocrisy of making a big deal about having the bible be there but not using it. Other Presidents have used other things, or nothing when taking the oath. And so far it seems they all have done a better job than Trump. Can we get another asterisk or other mark to put beside his name in the history books? Boy, he's got more than anyone.
You can help strengthen an oat if you introduce a third party that punishes people who do not follow the oat. You see that with doctors, accountants and other protected jobs all across the globe.
The US law is a shit show always has been and always will be as long as people keep believing stupid shit like “sales tax is not included in the price because it’s different in every city”.
Luckly for most of us in first world countries, there is punishment for docters, for accountants, etc who do not do their job.
I don't think that's a prerequisite. We talk of military coups all the time and most of them are thoroughly domestic affaires.
That doesn't detract from the rest of what you said however.
you're confusing the words sovereign and domestic in a way I don't understand. again, a coup is the illegal taking and transferring of power from the leader of a sovereign nation to someone or a group of someone's not duly empowered to assume that role. that's not what's transpiring currently. but we sure as shit are in the middle of a constitutional crisis between the executive branch and the legislative branch.
This is not a courtroom, and your prescriptive weasel words are tiresome.
This is a coup that started January 6, 2021, and is continuing now.
Trump cannot commit a coup, because he is already the head of state. Military coups occur when military generals step in to illegally claim the abilities of the head of state (or government) from someone else who had them legally.
Per the Constitution, the US government is comprised of 3 co-equal branches. The Executive Branch is only one branch, not the government itself, so technically its taking over of the entire government could be looked at as a coup. So far the other two branches are either cooperating (legislative) or sitting idly by (judicial), so we don't know yet whether this is a coup by the executive or just the entire government saying fuck the Constitution, we're done with that.
You could also say, since this is supposed to be a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, that it is a coup against the people--but the problem there is that, assuming the election wasn't interfered with, "the people" elected this government.
Not true. A self-coup is still a coup.
There are many types of coup, it's not limited to military coup. If Trump stays, it's called a self coup.
Ups, wrong comment thread ...
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It's a self-coup, so people are correct in calling it a coup. It's still in progress, so it's not clear how much power the white house will end up usurping, but with what they've done so far, it's imo already enough to call it a coup.
From Wikipedia: A self-coup or coup from the top, is a form of coup d'état in which a political leader, having come to power through legal means, stays in power through illegal means through the actions of themselves and/or their supporters. The leader may dissolve or render powerless the national legislature and unlawfully assume extraordinary powers. Other measures may include annulling the nation's constitution, suspending civil courts, and having the head of government assume dictatorial powers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup
The wiki article also contains a long list of other historical self coups. Germany in 1933 is the most famous example.
I agree with you but am also mentally leaving room to swap who is whose minion, because that is not entirely clear to me at this point.
I saw this video linked earlier and thought it was an interesting tale. As of recent events it coincides with many things. (Not saying the conclusions are correct, just an entertaining take.
https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no?si=z1j7QBaxEtV8FJjC
Step 1: Remove all the inspector generals
Step 2: Gain access to the U.S. treasury payment system
Step 3: Lock out all the rest of the treasury staff
Step 4: Impose a 25% Tarriff on your largest trading partners
Step 5: Profit!
Step 6: Realize Trump backed down on the Mexican Tarriffs because the president of Mexico called and stroked Trump's ego.
I don't want to be that guy, but the plural is "inspectors general".
I say always be that guy. You have the heart to speak up and help others to learn and grow - for example I was questioning which it was, but you confirmed for me that it is indeed inspectors general.
I'm never gonna forget inspectors general now because of this conversation. It's with me for life.
You can file it under memories general
All words with that construction are pluralized that way. Inspectors general, surgeons general, courts martial.
Now I'll say it like that guy in Futurama. Inspectorses generals
I don't think she stroked his ego, I think she played hardball and showed him how he was gonna get hurt a lot more than they were, then he backed off (saving face by saying she would send troops to the border). That and the fact that women intimidate the hell out of Trump. He knows how to bully men but women get him all discombobulated.
Until he grabs em by the pussy
Step 6 is how the cabinet members got their jobs and why all the TechBros gave him a million each.
Canada now as well. Trump is such a joke.
Wait what happened with the Mexican tariffs ?
That's not in any way what happened, but your sexism is noted.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mexico-guns/
Canada and Mexico both cracked today
They didn’t crack. They played him.
They “agreed” to stuff that they already had agreed to under Biden, plus one or two silly things to stroke trump’s ego.
What really happened was Trump’s donors saw the stock market crashing and yelled at him to cut the crap and make a deal.
What does that mean?
The main concession is Mexico putting 10k troops on the border. There were a few other things as well. I honestly have no idea what Canada gave Trump
You're leaving out Trump's own concession.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mexico-guns/
it's only a coup if it comes from the Coup d'Etat region of France, otherwise it's just a sparkling government takeover.
Which is why the US has never actually staged a coup in a foreign country. Not many people know that
Nah, everybody relax. Go to work, come home to your 2.3 kids. Everything is normal. President Musk is doing everything he can to take care of the immigrant and LGBTQ problem, the only problems the USA has. Men could be playing womens sports, guys. I mean it. Massive fucking problem.
He’s just making weird grunting noises, kinda sounds like an orangutan
Orangeutan
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If I ever come home to 2.3 kids I'm gonna be so mad. Where is the 0.7 kids I'm missing?!
2A thumpers defend school shootings as required to defend against tyrants. Tyrants literally in our buildings and giving nazi salutes? Nothing.
It's weird that Jefferson literally demanded helpless children be shot in schools like that but hey that's what the Constitution says so I guess we gotta let em do it.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN SOMEONE TOOK A KNEE AT THE NATIONAL ANTHEM??!!???
Musk is who we deserve. The country that treats money as speech and corporations as people and bribery as political action has the worlds richest man controlling it. Finally, the world is making some fucking sense.
The coup has already happened.
Staging? It already happened
they won the election. now they are dismantling the levers of government. the goal is to weaken all other national institutions until eventually they can just ignore Congress or Supreme Court
Exactly. He has every American's personal details and total control of the nation's finances. He really doesn't need anything else.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
Why the FUCK do we keep letting people get away with this shit??
I believe the theory is that Roosevelt sat down with the Business Plot crew in secret and gave them the option of a) they convince their business pals not to oppose the New Deal too much or b) they hang. Obviously they picked option a.
Just business as usual :P
This is the kinda shit that needs to be taught to everyone in US history class.
Musk is saying that they aren't going to pay US contractors for up to a month.
There is no question.
That... Includes actual mercenaries, no?
There will be exceptions. The exceptions will be anything Musk views as a threat to himself.
Yes, thousands of often highly specialized, experienced mercenaries.
Funny to think pedo-don spent 8 years pretending Obama couldn't be prez because he was born in Africa, just the give the control of the country to an unlected incompetent bro who was actually born in Africa.
Is this how the Russians felt when Rasputin was to influencing the Tsar?
I think we should test if Musk is as durable as Rasputin.
The song about it won't be as catchy though.
Or as durable as the UHC CEO
Yes.
Our last hope it seems:
Is Apple™️? I really hope not.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_(advertisement)
Oh the irony
The hammer lady was absent.
The only irony I see is the people seeing it as the Apple message and not the message in the Apple ad.
The ad seems to have worked even on the unsuspecting.
It's ironic because Apple kissed the ring
If you were still under the impression that conservatives were patriots that gave a flying fuck about the Constitution, now you have your definitive answer.
Are there no drug tests for political advisors or something?
I'd have expected this for a position with much power - just like in the military.
Or am I that far off here from reality?
Musk has no clearance, wasn't voted in, is uncredentialed, and unqualified.
The fact that the government is just sitting back and allowing this is disgusting.
All of it to line their pockets with what will be akin to monopoly money once they destroy the country.
They fired a bunch of FBI and DoJ, so if they're sitting back it's because they're unemployed.
That's exactly what I don't understand
There are safe guards for exactly that shit in law (at least I think/hope so), but seemingly no one has the guts to step up
But I have to admit, that I don't know the American laws at all, and with that don't know what their actual options are
The department of justice enforces the laws.
Trump is currently the head of the department of justice.
This is the problem
They're why they're so gung ho about crypto. They want to make everyone's money worthless while they hoard all the gold themselves.
People that rich have reserves in other currencies and precious metals. They don't really give a shit if the US dollar crashes.
Musk doesn't hold any official position.
So, how can he even do all that shit and the organisations don't just tell him to go choke on a dick?
If they push back, that person gets fired and replaced by a toady who won't.
Yeah, talk about a hard place and a rock...
Fucking sucks, that there is seemingly no leverage against those idiots
Well. None that are within the rules.
Mostly because it's so brazen and fucking insane that people don't even know what to do about it. If someone walked into your office building while waving a knife around and shouted, "get the fuck out or I'm gonna start stabbing people!" what do you think you'd do?
My guess is that everyone is going to run out because we've been engrained to recognize the mechanisms in place to prevent and protect from these types of things. Anyone thinking anything other than getting the fuck out would probably be thinking "it's not worth it, let the police handle it."
Let's say you start shouting, "that's illegal, go choke on a dick! C'mon y'all, there's only one of him and many of us; we can't wait for the police, ACAB!!!" I'd probably commend you when I read the article or your obituary, but everyone else in the office is going to be concerned with saving themselves and letting whatever contingencies kick in.
Everyone with the power to stop this is sitting on their hands while waiting for someone else to step up. And we, the people? We've been trampled and subjugated for so long that now that we're being told to rise up, we don't know how. "Rise up against the system you helped manufacture? How? Y'all arrest and kill us in droves just for threatening money, much less people in power."
It’s pretty simple: shoot him in the face.
This 100%. Violence is the only language that gets through at this point.
Although this article I read a few days ago focuses on protests, it somehow resembles this situation imho
https://crimethinc.com/2025/01/28/its-safer-in-the-front-taking-the-offensive-against-tyranny
If you always just duck down to survive, they'll just feel confirmed and encouraged.
Every bit of resistance costs them time and money, and signals to the rest, that there is another way, than to just buckle down
Not an American, but my guess is that they would have to sue and then discover that the judges are all toeing the party line.
Yeah, the last years seemingly were a build up to let Trump live his dictator dream
Must be nice to have no idea what's been going on.
Because I asked about a detail of how a foreign country runs their government?
Sadly I do get all the shit news. I mostly wonder how this is even possible to happen in a normal state with functioning jurisdiction
I was serious. I'd like to not know any of this insanity
Ah, gotcha.
Thought you're accusing me of not knowing anything, because I asked a question.
Get your sentiment though...
Some Americans forget there are other countries. It's unavoidable until education improves.
Hey, hey. Elon Musk purchased the US fair and square, we've known that for like 3 months now, no need to go acting all surprised!
The Incorporated States of America?
if you think trump is bad, just wait to be ruled directly by those fuckers instead of via proxy.
Who's to say we're not already. Just look at how much golfing Trump has already been up to! I bet he ends up spending more time in Florida than in DC.
His mind is also mush. He's signing whatever he gets handed to and rambles some incoherent soundbites he got told beforehand when in front of the cameras.
yeah, but that still has the limitation of having to at least pretend. I dread to think what will happen when they stop caring about that and just directly take control.
Is it a coup if Trump and Republicans have given him permission and letting him do what he wants?
Yup, there is no legal due process and his team is forcibly taking control of federal organizations. This is an incredibly historical moment we are witnessing. Feast your eyes. While it often gets compared to Rome, United States for all its might will only have been a blip in the historical time frame. Supremacy not even lasting a century. It will barely be a footnote a thousand years from now. Or... Elon and Trumps gambit pays off and successfully annexes Mexico and Canada while turning the US into a true empire that prospers for another century, but not sure if I see that happening. You can only fail upwards so far.
Might have been true during the Roman era or even during the 1930s but in the age of mass communication, a generally informed or disinformed population (depending on how you want to see it), multi national corporations who really don't care about nations and all mixed in with nuclear weapons ... things will be much different. Whether or not that difference will be better or worse is anyone's guess. But it will be something completely different.
But Trump is calling him a "special government employee". So I guess he's also getting paid to fuck over America. Yeah, he's not elected, but Trump is overstepping his boundaries of power to do all this, but Republicans aren't doing anything to stop him. So Trump is just going to keep pushing those boundaries and if Congress doesn't do anything, he'll just claim more and more power.
Trump is a stooge, giving him agency at this point is generous.
Yes. Since he wasn't elected and the actions he is taking require actual laws to pass to occur legally
I don't think that's a coup though?
Like a coup is a specific thing. What's happening might be fucked up, and unlawful, but not necessarily a coup.
But in another way he is kinda taking over the government and he isn't the government
Not really. He has the president's support. That's not taking over the government.
Is it a dictatorship?
I didn't think the president's role was designed to have absolute power over all branches of government - but maybe I don't really understand the us govt system.
I think "dictatorship" describes a style of government which may not really apply.
The POTUS is obviously intended to have absolute control hence the existence of executive orders. However, like most of the US constitution it relies on the assumption that the people wouldn't knowingly elect an autocrat.
That is to say executive orders are intended to be used sparingly, with great caution, not for things like declaring a new official measurement for Obamas penis.
So while the US govt probably wouldn't be considered a dictatorship generally, Trumps behaviour is certainly autocratic.
Does it have to be violent to be a coup?
If propaganda, conspiracy, and manipulation are also valid tools of a coup, this probably qualifies.
The chancellor is taking power lol
It seems like they want to turn the US into kleptocratic empire ruled by organised crime.
It's time that people who believe in principles of democracy should come together and create their own counter project 2025 plan. A long term strategic document, with action plans to not only restore but strengthen democracy in US
One is fascist narcissistic billionaire and other is felon
This reboot of The Odd Couple is really weird.
Bro is already executing, he is beyond staging. Goes to show that knowledge isn't power in capitalism; you can be as retarded as they come and still fry shit on a national level; as long as you have the capital funds for it.
Unelected weirdo walks into government facilities and does what he wants.
Why are people surprised with President Musk presidenting with his advisor Donald?
Yes.
Related: https://waleedshahid.substack.com/
When does the USA invade?
Staging? He is already inside.
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It's not a coup. It's an election. This is the completely predictable and continuous result of a state founded by slavemasters and run by white supremacy.
More Cybertrucks sold than all other EV trucks combined. Not a Tesla fan. Also not a fan of FUD. https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/18/24247985/tesla-cybertruck-july-2024-sales-deliveries-match-all-ev-trucks
Who the fuck asked
I think your comment has appeared in the wrong the wrong musk thread. This one is about takeover of us treasury.
I think cyberducks is here: https://lemmy.world/post/25080532
Yes, I must have misclicked. Apologies. Thank you.
Yeah, and taylor swift is one of the best selling artists of all time. Almost selling as much the beatles or queen.
What's your point?
There are not that many e-trucks... Only Americans buy these, and they proved that the majority is OK wit supporting Nazis...
This would have made sense, I suppose, had you posted it on the article about cybertruck sales slowing, but it just seems nonsequitur here.
Well that definitely proves that
PresidentMusk hasn't taken over the U.S. government for his own whims.I didn't know bots could misclick.
My apologies guys - not a bot, near as I know. And yes, I swear I clicked the "Cybertruck sales slump" Thread. My mistake. I will leave this here as a record of my shame.
In case anyone was still wondering how people just stood by when Hitler took over Germany
That isn’t just standing by, that advocates for opposition to leave as the right answer to their concerns.
To emigrate from a country that openly hates immigrants.
To grow the majority.
I am not advocating for the "opposition" to leave. I am advocating for anyone who thinks America is a failed Democracy who thinks we're about to be genocided to leave. Just because it's a smart thing to do. Which is exactly what my original comment said.
I don't assume everyone who disagrees with even a single word someone who is anti-trump says is pro-trump, because I'm not suffering from delusional internet political brainrot.
Way ahead of you. And yet I still care about the lives of the millions of people we left behind who didn't have the luck of that option.
You do know that you can't just leave and hope someone will let you live in their country instead, right?
!remindme in 4 years when a genocide does not take place.
I wish you had the capacity to understand how juvenile these types of comments are.
There's literally an internment camp planned at gitmo.
The hyperbole has been going on so long that maybe it's easy to miss that it's getting progressively more accurate.
My main issue is the hyperbole
So are they going to start murdering people there? Like in the holocaust?
I'm sad to tell you this, but there were camps there in the 90s, and people died of lack of health care.
As I said to my last suicide counselor- you don't really need a plan to kill someone. You can just stop doing all the things they need in order to keep living. It's pretty easy.
Ok so if you arrest people that are illegally in your country and put them in jail, when does it become a genocide?
I'm not enjoying your weird little word game.
When you're targeting them not because of their legal status, but because of their ethnicity.
Yes. Trump's administration called for "a genocide of trans people" (direct quotation) once the election was over, before he was even in office.
Trans people are having their government IDs and identifying documents seized when they try to renew their passports. Any info on gender is being scrubbed from medical and scientific research papers as we speak. An executive order was passed saying that there are only 2 genders in the US, and passports no longer accept an X gender marker.
Then there's the immigrants being deported. They need camps to house all of them in.
All of this is very much in line with Nazi Germany, from the burning of research from the Institute of Sexual Wellness (remember the famous picture of Nazis burning books? All research and medical records from the Institute relating to gay and trans people) to the camps for immigrants, gays, socialists, and, later on, Jews which began being built 53 days after Hitler took office.
Content Warning for Ya'll, Transphobia-
Hey I went digging and I found that one of the speakers at CPAC (the Conservative Political Action Conference) in 2023, a prick named Michael Knowles, said “For the good of society … transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.”
And then he got all mad and demanded a bunch of retractions because he claims that saying you want to eradicate transgenderism is somehow different than saying you want to eradicate transgender people and went on to say some extremely upsettingly stupid things about how it can't be calling for genocide because “It’s not a legitimate category of being.”. Out of the two links, that one at Human Rights Campaign has a lot of other instances of assholery, so it's a good link for this conversation.
So it seems (unsurprisingly) like chuds are trying to move the goalposts on, "it can't be genocide if they're not really people," which is actually way, way more disgusting than anything else I've read. Glad I went looking for supporting documentation, sad I found so much of it so quickly.
And for any chuds who want to argue these points as if this is distinct from the Trump administration, please actually read that second link. There are exact quotes from Trump, from Reps, from former advisors. They did a great job collating info for us.
Would be helpful to have a link to the quote - searching for it I'm having trouble finding it. I think I have seen language about "removing transgenderism from public life" or something like that. They seem to be bringing back rhetoric used against gay folks in the 1980s, e.g. emphasizing how the "homosexuals" groom children, how they just need to not flaunt their (sexualized / perverted) lifestyle in front of the children, how it's fine if they're gay in private - just not in public, etc.
The quote has been buried in all the anti-trans executive orders that have been passed in the past week. I tried looking for it as well, since I saw at least a couple of articles that had quoted it directly from somebody in his administration, but all you can find now are the executive orders banning trans people from the military, etc.
Where is the quote?
Here you go. Now it's time for you to claim the quote isn't real or that they weren't saying what we think they were or that it doesn't count.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/
And not only will I be nice enough to give you a paywall bypass link...
https://archive.is/DPY2P
I will even be nice enough to take a screenshot for you:
Can't wait to hear what excuses you'll make...
I think you need to open a history book since you don't seem to know how many years it took from Hitler becoming chancellor to the Final Solution.
Or do you think putting everyone from certain ethnic groups or with certain sexual preferences or with certain political views or just with disabilities in concentration camps wasn't genocide enough to count?
And Trump is heading to concentration camps exponentially faster than Hitler did.
Yes
Yes
I'm not giving up without a fight first.
How are you fighting?
Why would anyone post that info online where it can be easily traced by government officials?
Whether it's protesting or anything else, you'd just be incriminating yourself.
Not fighting yet, just training.
What an absurd take!
"Clearly you don't ACTUALLY believe something bad is happening, because you're spreading the word about it instead of quietly preparing your escape"
Shouldn't the fascist Nazis be knocking on your door, OP's door, and the publishers of Democracy Now! door and putting them in a political torture camp?
Or are we just being hyperbolic when we say it's a nazi coup?
Even Hitler did not manage to get the Gestapo set up until 4 months after he was appointed as chancellor. It has only been 3 weeks. Auschwitz was not set up until 7 years after his rise to power. Though the first concentration camp, which I imagine was more mild, was set up after a few months.
It feels like you are arguing in bad faith.
If I am getting ready to go hiking in an area where there may be bears, I don't say to myself, "I am not currently being attacked by a bear, so I will probably not need bear mace." In this analogy I like hiking (living in the democracy that I was born in and served to defend) therefore I will not choose to just not go hiking (leaving).
I don't know whether they're just ignorant of history or are trolling, but this person's whole argument seems to rely on the idea that Nazis aren't Nazis until they start actively killing people in concentration camps and until then, it's not fair to call them Nazis.
So I guess the Nazis weren't Nazis for the first seven years Hitler was in power (or any of the years before that).
You mean one executive branch, one legislative branch and one judicative branch (supreme court, which you forgot)?
So like all the branches, that are supposed to check and balance each other? Good one mate
Do you think if Trump told the military to jail democrats that they would do it?
Why don't you go read some books on Hitler's rise to power, and after you've educated yourself, re-read these insipid posts you've made in this thread. Or maybe you already know how it happens and are cheering it on, pretending to be ignorant in how fascism works. Either way, get bent.
After he replaced some Generals, created some New units completely loyal to him, yes.
Maybe integrate the proud boys, who he already pardoned.
As a German, this all looks very familiar. The SS didn't start in the military.
Interesting to watch it all happen on twitter instead of a history book tho XD
Which country is that, exactly? What are their immigration requirements?
We are an empire that, when looking at history, is in it's twilight years
Me setting up a bug out bag while I arrange moving to another country
Lol wut. When was the US ever a democracy?