Pardoned Jan. 6 rioter shot dead while resisting arrest during traffic stop: police
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A pardoned domestic terrorist with a gun and a problem with law enforcement? What could go wrong?
Here's to hoping for another 1500 "justice by traffic stops."
I’d rather they get educated/rehabbed.
Especially since the people with actual power and greater culpability have only gained from the constant stream of lies that led them to believe this was okay.
America does not rehabilitate prisoners. The U.S. prison system is entirely about retribution. So that was never going to happen.
Cheap labor too
Your autocorrect has seemingly substituted "retribution" in place of "profit"
A little of column A and a little of column B.
I dunno why but this comment was the one that made me burst out laughing.
ACA still B, though, even if in this particular case the victim was a terrorist.
Fascists should be getting shot because they're fascists, not because cops are violent incompetent bastards who indiscriminately murder people without consequence.
This is a case of classic fascist friendly fire.
New out-group just dropped
Just fash shooting at fash.
Being a B is not a binary situation. There are levels. Both can be Bs on different levels.
It’s almost as though his supporters are a bunch of violent extremists.
But. If that were true, why would the incoming president pardon them!?
Have none of you any empathy? What about the feelings of this cop who had to shoot one of his brothers because the cameras were on, did you think about that?
I have a feeling cops would shoot each other all the time if they thought they could. Especially if it's a white cop shooting a black cop. The whole "brotherhood" thing is performative. I've had the misfortune of doing ride-alongs with cops working for a local TV station. They can't wait to tell you how all the other cops suck.
Here in St Louis they just shoot each other for fun
St. Louis officer gets 7 years for killing female colleague while playing Russian roulette
I used to regularly visit a kava bar that happened to become a hang out spot for cops and military people. Honestly they didn't seem that bad. One guy would come in every day for a kratom we'd take shells together. He played Slay the Spire on his switch, would ask for tips cause he kinda sucked.
Really they take easily impressionable young men and through the system mold them into something toxic. We become the roles we play. Shakespeare or something
kava, kratom, taking shells, slaying the spire in a switch...
I'm so confused.
I feel like one of us had an aneurysm.
"slaying the spire" as in playing the video game Slay the Spire. Taking shells is lost on me, and Kava and Kratom are just legal highs/organic substances/dietary supplements/whatever it is called now.
This is your posting on kratom.
Not to sound like I'm defending them but are you sure it wasn't just workplace gossip tier stuff?
Maybe if they weren't cops, yeah. But these are already people willing to murder for pretty much no reason at all. The only thing really stopping them is this stupid "brotherhood" crap which they drop in a second when the other cops aren't around.
So sure, maybe it's just workplace gossip, but I know I've never worked in a place where I was expected to always defend my co-workers no matter how heinously they acted.
Thanks to lifelong mental illness I only started developing more than a marginal sense of real empathy in my 30s, and it's an extremely limited resource. So unfortunately I don't have any to spare for the police.
I'm still working on my natural tendancy to paint with a broad brush, which is more than I can say about the cops.
I've heard it's a sin
That cop probably just didn't have enough PVD to get the day off to go themselves.
On the one hand, the usual American Police Brutality. On the other hand, one Trump-loving criminal less on the street.
He shouldn't have resisted
He would still be alive if he was still in jail
He was only sentenced to six months. He’d be dead anyway.
Oh that's good
Wait, you mean those Jan 6ers aren't upstanding citizens? What a surprise...
Not like you have to be a criminal to get shot by the police in the US...
It doesn't help though.
Terrorist killed by police.
Terrorist killed by terrorists
"Yes, I am untouchable, the cops can't do jack sh---"
"I know my ri-"
Should have spent more time reflecting on his wrongs I guess
That's a good start, but we have to speed up that pace.
Oh so these guys supported Trump after all? Whatever happened to them being Antifa and BLM?
trump pardoned all the antifas and made it terrorism at the same time
I don't feel good that this was my reaction, but I stand by it:
Just have Trump pardon the bullet out of him.
When Trump sent his mob of terrorists into the Capitol building to stop Democracy, he wasn't sending his best and brightest.
I mean, he was. Those are his best and brightest.
What's that? If you don't want to get shot by a cop, just comply? /s
Applies in this case without the /s. He got shot while resisting arrest while armed, odds are had he complied (and thus not resisted arrest) he probably wouldn't have been shot.
I guess this is the kind of shit that happens when you ask the Monkey's Paw to be pardoned on your last wish...
Hey you should never celebrate cops killing somebody who...
Oh? You mean the Jan 6 terrorists who literally attacked cops and then got presidential pardons? Those guys?
Oh yeah okay then.
Hmm, interesting.
So I had Salisbury steak with mashed potatoes tonight. Anybody else have anything good?
Brown rice/quinoa bowl with some rotisserie chicken and veg. Some undressed super greens on the side. Really been enjoying having a Doctor Goodwin (Dr. Pepper analog) Olipop with dinner. Really caps the meal off nicely.
Oof, that's a lot healthier than mine lol
I grabbed fast food and ate in the car. It's the saddest dinner I'll have this week but I do it every Monday so I'll have enough time to shower and play with my dog for a bit between getting home from work and my weekly D&D game.
It's only sad if you make it sad. Make it a pregame ritual and get pumped!
I tried making hamburgers with ground goat, just for the hell of it. They were surprisingly good, the meat was too lean for a good hamburger though.
Try it again with added fat, maybe?
I made a vegetable stock from scratch with onions, garlic, carotts, parsnip, olive oil, salt and pepper, added a potato for the texture and once done completed it with cream, sour cream, mushrooms and green peas.
Finally I added some carob gum, because it was intended to be served as sauce rather than soup.
The side order was basmati rice.
Can't say that I was disappointed.
Did you make it from scratch?
Yeah, like I said :)
Goshdarnint, I was trying to ask about the other person's salisbury steak 👿
It's WAY funnier reading it twice in a row though. You should just ask everyone this question.
Did you make it from scratch?
Yeah, and if I'm being totally honest, it's not as good as banquet lol
Edit: the Salisbury steak, I mean. The mashed potatoes are WAY better.
OK, challenge accepted. What recipe did you use?
https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/14595/salisbury-steak/
I don't think it's possible to get that old "school lunch" or banquet consistency while keeping the food somewhat real so I guess the biggest "gripe" was the gravy. It was still pretty good though! Just didn't recapture that.
You probably needed to add MSG
Likely. I really don't use it much, because most things I cook don't really need it. But that definitely could've used some extra flavor.
I'm doing steaks myself, but I ended up a little short on cook time so they are a little tough.
I made some pork tenderloin recently. Came out a little dry even though I took it out right as it got 150° unfortunately, but it's still good if you put the juices over it before eating.
My grandpa made really good tenderloins, added lemon pepper with a squeeze of lemon. So good. It's one of his recipes I never got out of him. :(
That's one.
Good. One less piece of trash in the country
fewer
One less piece of fewer in the country.
Perfection
back to being a riot again is it
Hope he's somewhere hot right now.
Here's to every single one of them meeting a similar end very, very soon.
Gosh, that's....
Police violence is still Police violence even when it's against insurrectionists. I don't know the exact details here, but if it's like previous police shootings, there was probably a less violent solution.
Very probably, but you need to also remember that the guy who was killed was almost certainly a big proponent of police violence. He was certainly a big proponent of violence overall.
As the saying goes: live by the sword, die by the sword.
I'm not going to praise the cops, but I don't have any sympathy for this terrorist.
Thank you for making me imagine a traffic stop ending in a sword fight.
Sure! How about the actual punishment for treason instead.
Armed man resisting arrest? Maybe, but presuming "just let him go" doesn't count all of them are going to be considerably more dangerous for the officer and any bystanders.
Well if Trump is the MAGA Jesus, I wanna see him bring this guy back to life. Pardon him from death.
Oh noes!!
Anyways.
Trump directly killed this man, if he didn't pardon him then none of this would have happened.....
hahahahahahhahahahahaha.
Get rekt
No body cam video?
Some gifts just wrap themselves, don’t they?
One down.
Wow. I literally don't care at all. It's sad but it's true.
Pizzagate shooter met his end the same way just a few weeks ago. Are their cops who actually want justice?
No, it's just that the insurrectionists hate authority, and cops shoot people that don't bend the knee. Or they just shoot people regardless.
Not that they hate authority so much as they believe they deserve to be on the inside/protected/oppressor class. They hate being held accountable for anything.
I guess I should have said they hate being UNDER authority, but love being the on the oppressor side, heheh
Guess his fat orange lord and savior couldn't be bothered
More please
its just the spiderman meme except they have guns
Hahaha, oopsie poopsie
I'll cry in a while(1), thanks for reporting this.
(1) or not... but not because of this.
Leaving a comment here to look back when there is body cam footage and/or more details.
The fact that this person participated in an insurrection does not excuse a killing by police or give me joy in the outcome.
I just see it as the trash taking itself out.
It's a tragedy when police abuse their power to kill, but at least he took out a shameless MAGA terrorist instead of it being a "Code 1488", that's Police Jargon for "Having to use deadly force on another black man minding his own business."
SomeALL of those who work forces are the same who burn crosses!You want the definition of mixed emotions?
It used to be your mother-in-law driving over a cliff in your new sports car. Now it’s a cop shooting a J6’er for resisting arrest.
Insert riker trombone
Good.
If it were just another black dude who got shot "because he had a gun", I'd doubt the word of the police about that. But this guy? I'm almost certain he had a gun and made some move that would have raised reasonable suspicion that he was intending to use it. Because those are the sorts of people who when to Jan 6.
Eh from what I hear the Police Union has been up Trump's ass about the people he's been pardoning.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear they've been internally calling these guys "Cop Killers" and being instructed to give them the "Fine Ol' Solution" if ya know what I mean. Police Union is crooked as hell.
Death by stupidide
Probably wasn't an accident. The Police Unions have been pissed at Trump letting these guys go, I wouldn't be surprised to hear they had their own "Second Amendment Solution"
Why in the fuck are we suddenly cheering extrajudicial killing just because, for once, it wasn't someone from our side?
... Oh, yeah okay, it wasn't someone from our side. For once.
Play stupid games; win stupid prizes. He had a gun and resisted arrest. They're the ones who promoted this society and tough guy police in the first place. People see some poetic karma.
Sorry bud, I'm not losing sleep over this one.
FAFO is the new ACAB, got it.
Me neither. Doesn't mean it should be celebrated.
Nah. It's because justice was subverted and karma came in with steel chair to correct things.
Pardons used to be used (usually) terribly to forgive rich assholes who made large campaign contributions... that was awful and I hate it.
In this case the recipients literally tried to overthrow the government... it's beyond the fucking pale.
I think that pardons are a terrible tool - if there is injustice that needs correction it should be done within the system so that everyone can benefit. Pardons, in their best use, just correct individual injustices while leaving the unjust system that caused the issue unaffected.
The same reason we cheered when Luigi (allegedly) shot the UH CEO.
Some people make the world a better place by leaving it.
I'm not weeping over this asshole dying, it's just tough to cheer for vigilante justice when... well, when its the police doing it.
I definitely get where you're coming from. But the judicial system has so completely failed us (bullshit interpretations of laws, pushing right-wing jurisprudence, ignoring obvious corruption of SCOTUS justices, not holding Trump responsible for fucking *anything") that it's hard to not be satisfied when one of these traitors gets any kind of justice.
I agree, arrest the cop too.
Have you ever heard the saying
""I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."
Happy to have read about this one :)
IDGAF about this guy dying, good riddance, but I do care that so many people in this thread are openly cheering the cops having killed him. I'm aware of the irony, I just think the sheer amount of bloodlust on display here is pretty concerning. Do people think the cops like... meant to do this? They're just going to keep killing us, but they screwed up and got one of their guys this time.
Because the judicial system has failed categorically. The only people getting beaten down by it are "on our side", that kinda means extrajudicial means of justice are the only ones left.
Unrelated, but what do boots taste like? Are they as leathery as id imagine, or more earthy?
So you're... wait, are you praising the cops here?
No, im praising justice. It just so happens that for once in their lives, the cops somehow managed to actually achieve justice.
To be clear, this person didnt need to die, but in the absence of any form of actual consequence this is the closest to justice were likely to see.
There's a difference between praising cops and appreciating the irony of the guy who supported Trump, lover of police violence, dying in a police shoot-out.
Similarly, on a historical note, I'm not going to praise mass-murderer Stalin for killing Nazis to save his own ass, but I sure as hell am not going to condemn him for it.
Sure, and the irony in the original post is as obvious as it is in scubus' comment. They seem to present this - an extrajudicial killing by the police, the enforcement arm of the judicial system - as an example of the extrajudicial justice we must rely on since the judicial system has categorically failed us. It just doesn't make sense (and it has nothing to do with my initial comment)
What should we rely on instead to stop these extremely violent people who got a full pardon? Because as far as I can tell, the only way they will be stopped is if they go up against the fascist cops.
That's not praising the cops, that's saying there's no one else. Because there is no one else.
Squiddy, are you seriously saying our only hope is the cops? I know you love arguing against things but if that's what you sincerely believe you have lost your damn mind.
It's called fighting fire with fire.
Again, what should we rely on instead? You didn't answer.
I think you might be misremembering what the term means.
This is very much an extrajudicial killing. Justified sure, apparently. I'm pretty uncomfortable with how willing this community is to parrot the Blue Lives Matter talking points, though that's whatever. I understand the need people have for vindictive pleasure, and I sure hope that's all this is.
I was going to say the same thing, but the courts have let plenty of police murderers go unpunished, so I suppose that means the courts have given them that authority.
That's not an unreasonable point. Though it might drive me to drinking again if I think about it too hard.
It's situationally legal, yes.
The need to preemptively dismiss criticism of your sources kinda speaks to a personal doubt in the validity of said sources, but that article seems fine so I don't know why you felt the need to do that? You're all good as far as I can tell! I don't actually see anything there I'm in disagreement with though. Thank you for being thorough!