Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from? Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view? Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
I actually can’t answer them, because I only admin this instance, I don’t run it.
While I’m sure this is not the case, it’s entirely possible that the people who do run this instance are running a fork of it that does all of those things. It couldn’t log your IP address or block your VPN, but it could mine, and your instance could yours. And I haven’t read the Lemmy source code, so I don’t know what even an unmodified Lemmy logs.
(Actually this instance is running a fork right now, or rather a branch: 0.19.6-beta1, because lemmy.ml is the core Lemmy developers’ instance for testing beta code before releasing production versions.)
But you can read the source code and get an understanding of whether it is collecting private information or not. You can theoretically also fork the code and make your own version of Lemmy where you're ripped out the parts that collect private information. Can you do any of those things with Reddit? Absolutely not. You have no idea what exactly Reddit collects and even if you did you have no control over that collection.
What you're doing is questioning the privacy aspect without putting in the effort to check if your questioning is valid. Nobody is preventing you from reading the source code. And if you don't trust anyone else running the instance you can fork Lemmy, make whatever privacy changes you need and host your own instance. That goes beyond the capabilities of the average user but that's the catch with privacy, if you can't trust others then you have to learn more to get by without others.
Many Lemmy instances block VPN posting. You can view, but not vote or post. I have a secondary private VPN I use sometimes for that. But honestly the whole thing just sucks.
And generally that's fine. If you're posting stuff publicly, expect it to be public.
Lemmy gives away for free what Reddit is desperately trying to put up walls on so they can sell it, but I wouldn't call it "private" because it's monetized.
Lemmy is the opposite of privacy, and that just makes sense if you 🤔.
I desperately want all my posts on all forum like sites to be easily indexable by search engines. That Reddit blocked other search engines besides Google from indexing is crazy.
In terms of privacy reddit has it better(still bad but better than Lemmy) because your content is locked behind a paywall only few companies can access. On the other hand, any one can train their AI on Lemmy posts and access all history of all users freely. The difference is that on lemmy only the companies that collect your data profit, while on reddit also the owners of the platform (reddit itself) profit.
No, it's just open free for the taking by anyone who decides to spin up their own instance, or to anyone who decides to scrape from an instance frederated with yours without robots.txt set against web scrapers. Hosters could even intentionally break federation to prevent deletions from syncing.
I love lemmy, but privacy is not one of its features.
Any script kiddie can scrape the entirety of Lemmy, with the exception of direct/private messages. robots.txt is merely a request, with no enforcement capability.
See, the app won't track your clicks, views, interests. Only public thing is the thinh you post. Which is great for public communities. Theese are meant to be public. But things facebook or reddit or google does is enough to call lemmy private
The amount of magical thinking around federated protocols both on Lemmy and Mastodon is astounding. Sure, design decisions make a difference, but federations gonna federate.
And the community that is here is, amazingly, somehow even worse than Reddit, on average, when it comes to being a hive mind that is wildly intolerant of any disagreement.
I personally disagree, mainly because the interactions have much more depth than the same 30 unfunny comments that people make on reddit ex: this. Don't get me wrong it happens here as well, just way less. I also see people back claims up with evidence here way more, it's not always valid evidence but at least an attempt is made more.
The thing I like the best is the lack of self righteousness (ironic I'm making this comment on this post haha) that reddit has, that was my personal biggest complaint there. Like on reddit if there is an animal in a video in any way shape or form you can almost always find someone screeching about animal abuse, even when it is obviously not.
I of course have bias in favor of Lemmy and this is highly dependent on the community. I will admit Lemmy is super left leaning, which I like, but definitely supports your hive mind argument. Even though I lean left I think it would be healthier for Lemmy to have more of a presence from the right. Unfortunately with how the political landscape is today I think it won't be very achievable but hopefully when we hit the post Trump era divisiveness will ease making coexistence here more achievable.
I don't care about that so much as the hyper specificity of not only "you have to be on the political left here" but "being to the left isn't enough, you need to be this far left, and hold these specific views on politics, technology, etc.".
There probably are servers that try to be more tolerant or other opinions, but I think social media could be improved by something like in this video. I put a timestamp but TL;DW not just upvote+downvote, yes or no, but more diverse reactions like "partially agree", "offtopic", "you have convinced me", "informative", "misses the point", etc.
So not just up and down, but left, right, diagonal and every which way to have a broader spectrum of human reactions instead of a binary one.
Additionally, add a more structured conversation flow depending on the community. A community for questions looks more like quora, a science community could maybe want options to add sources and have them aggregated in a thread, and so on.
Not a code change at all, just a filtering of the traffic from particular ip's and forwarding it to a different page which is all that reddit is doing as well.
I wasn't talking about good AdSense in this case, just the page you are redirected to if you are coming from one of their marked VPN IP addresses. Unless this has changed since the last time I attempted to go to Reddit with a VPN on. But that's the behavior I've witnessed.
This discussion was about Lemmy and that you could easily implement ads by changing the code, you say you don't need a code change ? What's your point?
I used to think like this, but it's a bit more nuanced./
If you tell people they can't have any expectation of privacy, it's essentially telling people of persecuted minorities that they're not welcome.
Perfect privacy is impossible, but it shouldn't be trivial to violate someone's privacy when their membership of such a community is relevant.
Sure, but the deletion is also mirrored to the other instances no?
EDIT: I suppose it should be alright if you mention in your privacy policy that if you interact with other instances their privacy policies apply as well.
Yeah, but companies can also "choose" to ignore GDPR requests. I don't think talking about instances not following the spec and deleting things when requested is relevant.
To be honest, privacy is not a major concern of mine and wasn't a factor in my decision making at all. Things like messages not being e2e encrypted don't really bother me that much.
You can't guarantee better mods, those are volunteers/instance admins/staff of an instance admin and are people. There is nothing inherent to how Lemmy works that ensures that people tasked with moderating aren't power hungry or in some way a bit of a dick. There was to my understanding, a certain draw to Lemmy over Reddit in that the federated nature means the actions of some power hungry moderator on one instance won't leave you having no option but to accept their behaviour because you can just migrate to another instance to see and interact with the same content or even spin up your own instance, but that doesn't make the mods themselves any different and that's all in theory anyway. In practice there isn't currently a way to migrate user accounts from one instance to another so if your account is of value to you and you've run afoul of some ban happy mod in one community on one instance, then you'll have to make a whole new account on another instance if you want to circumvent them and interact in that same community again from another instance and in such a case if its identifiably still you, or you want to engage in the original behaviour that incurred their wrath then they'll just ban you again from your new instance because a different protocol design doesn't mean different people.
I like that we can escape from site admins. There's some profound magical thinking going on at lemmy.ml. But I have unsubscribed to all their communities. I haven't yet blocked it entirely but I could do that too.
You were banned for deliberate intellectual dishonesty, which I had clearly predicted in the thread. Shame I forgot to block you as well. Let me take care of that.
It's shocking how often I think the assholes of Lemmy have hearts in the right place and thus I don't block them but are otherwise overly committed to specific and weirdly hyper critical takes.
Like they want the discussion/fight but only as long as they win every time even though no one is 100% right about anything. And not everyone needs to know or believe in the same hyper specific thought process they believe in.
It’s shocking how often I think the assholes of Lemmy have hearts in the right place
Zero tolerance policy here. If a person is being needlessly antagonistic or resorting to personal attacks, they get blocked. On reddit it was pointless because the assholes number in the millions, but Lemmy is small enough that it's made the experience better over time.
Reddit's blocking mechanism was also insane. Take this hypothetical thread,
User A
User B
User C
If User B blocks User A, User A cannot reply to User C. Blocking on Reddit prevents people from replying to anything that is a reply to you instead of just your own comments.
I got banned from world news for being pro Palestinians and the mods wouldn't even give me an answer as to why I got banned. Then when I kept asking I got a site wide ban for ""harassment"
I got banned from /news for being "antisemitic" because I debunked the fake israeli Rape propaganda and from worldnews for calling out a Zionist mod spreading pro-israel propaganda.
Also took a few temp bans on .world for debunking other Hasbara such as claims about Hamas bases under hospitals in the beginning of the Genocide.
The reason I made my account on .world was because it was the most Zionism infested instance. It was a very intentional choice.
As long as you can debunk the Hasbara without getting banned it's the best place to change people's minds. You'd be amazed what .world looked like 9 months ago.
The mods put up with it for a while. But now the elections are coming close and Biden is still committing Genocide the .World mods are stepping up the censorship.
I just recently got banned (I think, never got a response) from the politics sub for reporting another use that called me retarded. It's legit confusing. I literally reported them because it seemed out of pocket but apparently I said something offensive as well
I'm about ready to that go back to reddit, just using a web browser on my phone. This is place is asking users for a lot and people still don't seem to understand what a community is. All the pretty words people used when we migrated over was all BS apparently. It's weird since people clearly put in work but like, where are the mods/admins leading the community? Idk, maybe this stuff's just too hard for mostly socially-stunted people to manage (including myself, raised on video games and whatnot)
Shortly before I was permabanned I got an intensely hateful PM from someone who created a throwaway account just for that. He claimed that all Arabs are pedos and rapists and Islam is a disease of the mind and Arabs are infected. He glorified the genocide in Gaza because 'That's what you get for killing Jews'.
His master account is probably still active and unblemished. He was probably the guy whose reply I gave got me permabanned
Why not try a different instance? .world is by far the worst of the major instances and the most friendly towards transphobia, zionism, fascism, and left-punching.
Idk, it's honestly all a bit too confusing. I still don't get how this place works. I just use sync and even then some servers/instances or whatever will say I can't vote for certain posts/servers - idk, I'm assuming there's servers that get turned off at night or something
Have a recommendation? I only joined world because it seemed to have the least requirements for joining and was maybe more popular. I remember other instances requiring you answer a bunch of questions to join or something like that
Idk, it's honestly all a bit too confusing. I still don't get how this place works. I just use sync and even then some servers/instances or whatever will say I can't vote for certain posts/servers - idk, I'm assuming there's servers that get turned off at night or something
"Instances" are like islands. There are other islanders you can interact with, with their own buildings, but people can visit your buildings from other islands. You can't make another island your "home," though, and just interact with their buildings. Some islands are on good terms, and some are on bad terms, and block each other.
What this looks like practically, are that you need to pick an instance that passes your vibe check. Scrolling by local on your home instance should be fun and engaging, and scrolling by "all" should show you more stuff you want to see.
Lemmy.world intentionally defederates from the more overtly Leftist instances, as an example, so it skews more right-wing.
Have a recommendation? I only joined world because it seemed to have the least requirements for joining and was maybe more popular. I remember other instances requiring you answer a bunch of questions to join or something like that
Go to this instance explorer, check out interesting instances, and scroll locally, anonymously. See the vibe! If you like the vibe, make an account or apply for one, and start interacting. You don't have to delete your old account! I have 2, each on different instances, depending on my mood.
I got perma IP banned from reddit after engaging a pro Trumper in a debate about what candidate actually gives us any remote chance for legalization. They devolved to trolling. I matche their energy. Guess who's comments got downvoted to hell (the troll) yet still is allowed to keep their account.
I swear these people act like school staff who prioritize protecting bullies over their victims. I cannot count the number of times I was accused of being uncivil when I decided to match the bullshit of trolls and bullies.
It's because reddit had a rightwing mod takeover and they really do favor the bullies... like look at all the nazi stuff/subs there. Reddit is compromised
Note to readers: I'm not saying this user did or did not do anything deserving of action against them, but I believe public modlogs are a useful tool for accountability.
my experience is such that people don't get these sweeping bans for having opinions. They get them for acting like sociopathic aggressive individuals.
And based on what I'm seeing when I check folks' profiles reiterating the same story... Yep it checks out more often than not. There's no discourse on the internet when it consists of calling people slurs in a weird barrage of insults. Those are the people who get banned here or there.
Reddit still has niches that (unfortunately) exist nowhere else, probably won't exist anywhere else soon due to the need for foot traffic, and are tolerable as long as old.reddit.com stays up.
And it's the lesser evil over Discord.
Lemmy is of course 1000x better, but it doesn't matter if your niche there is a ghost town.
But, at least trying to grow said niches didn't hurt. I've been on lemmy for more than a year and i've both created new horror groups and "adopted" abandoned one and, at the very least, now there's some life there. Nothing amazing, but people post and interact now.
If a group you find interesting is abandoned just start posting there, also, if the mods are gone for more than 9 months, just ask to the instances admins to become the new Moderator, all it took is to send a mail most of the time.
So many communities simply don't have alternatives here. But I'm happier with the quality of the communities that do exist. So what if they don't have spam bots sharing 6-12 month old memes that sometimes make no sense outside the timeframe they were post and users just repeating catch phrases for karma increasing the amount of "content"?
There are like 5 people here to talk about my entire country of 10 million while the Reddit community gets 2000+ every day. Even a karma farmer would help here as long as it's not a bot and occasionally replies to comments.
Is the onboarding experience any better? I remember the initial process of joining Lemmy felt very shady and not user friendly. That can be a massive deterrent for people joining. Then on top of that having to filter out all the communities that are not to my taste.
Overall it was a messy non-user friendly experience, but now that I'm here I'm happy.
I tried to recruit a friend of mine but the moment I tried to explain instances to him, he zoned out. I wouldn’t call it non-user friendly, but it’s not as simple and dumbed down like other social media is.
Also roughly a year ago there have been a couple of articles thrown around on Twitter and certain subreddits which wrote about CP stuff going on on Mastodon. So the Fediverse had some bad press. Which is rich coming from the site that allowed people like Violentacrez to fester.
Instances are great, but are also a problem for onboarding.
Is there a single point of entry for people now? I can imagine there being a website people could go to that asks a few simple questions and sorts (or load balances) people to certain instances. This would of course need some way for people to transfer their accounts in the future should they not be happy with their instance. Additionally each instance would need to have some kind of API call for the single point of entry to create the accounts You could even have a simple survey to gauge people's interests to help them in the community filtering process and present the mobile apps that are available.
Just some thoughts of course on how it might be possible to improve the users first experience.
You are right. There's join-lemmy, but the problem is that people often get sent from another site to the join-lemmy site which then wants to send them to another site. Too many refferals not enough seeing content.
Privacy is such a loaded term. To some people it means that your data is.not being actively sold to advertisers. To others it means everything is e2e encrypted.
I tried going back to Reddit after a year and a half away. It's literally unusable now. Got banned from like 5 subs and Reddit within 2 days whereas before my account was 7 years old without a ban.
You literally can't say anything there anymore without offending someone or starting a fight and you'll get banned right away for any dissent or wrong think. Every mod is ban happy and if you say anything beyond a one word, vanilla answer, you get banned.
It's absolute trash, like I said I made it there for 7 years without a ban, now it's just frustrating to get banned from every other sub for every other comment. And every post you put up gets taken down right away for one reason or another
I'm currently a public enemy on reddit (as in, they ban every account they find that could possibly be me) because I made a comment stating that Egyptians (I'm egyptian) are not zionists. This was in response to someone saying that Egyptians actually hate palestinians and support israel.
I got permabanned, then they proceeded to permaban every account I made, after the first, the one that lasted the longest (and last) lasted 3 months until It was flagged again for saying "I don't debate zionists" which reddit considers hate, they removed the 3 day ban I got for that but didn't remove the permaban the account got for being associated with my old account (used on the same device).
Basically each time I'm banned from a subreddit or temporarily banned from reddit itself my account gets terminated.
Wow. Zionists have banned me from their reddits for not replying fast enough to their bullshit. That is nuts.
I was permabanned for saying that Lebanese people (I am Lebanese) don't blame Israel for all of Lebanon's problems... just the problems that they deserve blame for.
Seeing my nearly 13 year old account guy permabanned for that when these people have been getting away with calling for the genocide and bombing of Lebanese children is as chilling as it is infuriating .
All my bans were related to Israel. My first two bans were for stating that Netenyahu needed to be put on trial and hanged for his crimes. The same way Saddam was hanged and many Nazi war criminals were hanged.
They accused me of calling for violence against an individual, and I cannot see their point. If I said I wanted him to be randomly shot or murdered I would, but I wanted him tried and judicially punished. That is not a threat.
And you might wonder why I suddenly am pro-death penalty when I was anti-death penalty for a long time? Because the scale of these crimes and the brazenness is so severe that I realize I have actually seen a crime that IS worthy of capital punished. The soldiers Who took part in the war crimes also need to be sentenced harshly with a minimum of multidecade sentences and if they are released they would he on a strict parole for the remainder of their lives.
And the fun fact is that Netenyahu is continually the genocide in part because if there is another election and he is replaced, he will likely be convicted of major corruption charges within Israel and spend a lot of time in prison anyway...
You better believe it. I had an account for almost 12 years that only got any kind of ban due to anti-zionist criticism I made. The whole affair with Gaza has broken me in ways I cannot describe. But you wouldn't believe what was the comment I made that got me permabanned .
Some zionists were trolling me on the Lebanon subreddit and accused all Lebanese of blaming our problems 100% on Israel. I only responded that we only blame Israel for what they deserve blame for.
No seriously, that is what got me permabanned. They claimed that that comment was a call for violence against a marginalized group of people.
I am currently personally banned from reddit for a pro palestine comment, not just like an account, they've banned my IP and Device IDs, any account I create gets deleted within a few hours, I tried to make one today to test how bad it is...
I always wonder who are the creeps that check out strangers post history. Anyways that's my point, I'm not like you you're not like me. I don't like you either but I don't want you banned because you offend me.
What's worse is that if you look at both our histories you're gonna realize we both hate Trump and conservatives, in a person of color. I'm LGBTQ. but you're one of those people who just creams themselves on division so you look for it, even among your allies. So to you in not a true Scotsman and therefore you can now look down on me and feel better. When at the end of the day we're both on the same side, even if we don't jive.
I always wonder who are the creeps that check out strangers post history.
I mean, I kinda get your point but also when you say things like you get banned that often and that easily are you really surprised people might be curious why and try to see what sort of things you actually post? (Note: I haven't looked at your post or comment history as of making this comment.)
That guy's just looking for something to fight about. You could look at anyone's history and sort by controversial and judge them based on that. I think it's just weird to take the time to research a total stranger and what they've been saying and doing, just to start a fight and feel self important. I don't track any of your guys user names or anything, I'm just here to pass the time.
I'm not sure if mods are a proper criteria when it comes to comparing Lemmy and Reddit. The audience is mostly the same and Lemmy doesn't automatically make people/mods better or worse.
Also, you forgot one major point: API! I get to use and support my third party app of choice Sync here on Lemmy which was killed off by Reddit.
Yup. I made a comment on ![email protected] that criticized the recent rigged Venezuelan election, complete with citations. Banned for "misinformation". Sure, you can just go elsewhere, but "better mods" is subjective.
Me over here just vibing by myself on my own self-hosted instance that I pay out of pocket for. I go find communities I like and subscribe to them, and it’s enough to keep me interested and engaged, without most of the bullshit Reddit has.
Add transphobia to the list, saying "questioning another users stated gender identity as a form of internet clout chasing is transphobic" gets your comment removed.
I don't understand. If a mod from memes.world bans me from a meme community, I can still comment on memes.world from another instance? Or are you saying just go to another community on another instance that has the same kind of content? Because if it's the latter then Lemmy's userbase number problem comes into play. Even popular subjects only have like one or two big communities.
Nothing stops you from using another account on another instance to access the same community, like [email protected]
I don't think I alluded to anything in my comment though.
I could really go for some mouth numbingly spicy noodles.
Edit: rereading my own comment, I've meant that Linkerbaan could have been posting on another community that is not @lemmy.world based. Like technology has multiple communities across multiple instances for example. But it's been highlighted that they actively post on lemmy.world on purpose. To fight the fight.
I got banned from world news because I simply responded to about obviously bullshit comment with 'nope'. I was fatigued and short on time, but ultimately that was all their false claims deserved.
Nahh the mods are irrelevant, they're human everywhere .
Reddits a turd because its corporate, they're literally exploiting you for their betterment. I dont understand why people are OK with that but here we are.
There are pros and cons. I use both, because Lemmy on its own just isn't big enough to replace Reddit. Lemmy has a decent variety of active communities for very broad/mainstream topics, plus technology and left wing politics, reflecting the shared interests of most Lemmy users. But then for any topic that's more niche and doesn't have a disproportionally large overlap with the interests of Lemmy users, it kinda falls appart. A lot of the more niche subredddits I participate in have no Lemmy equivalent.
I'm also hesitant to call Lemmy's moderation better. One thing I've noticed with Lemmy mods is that they tend to be far too lenient with off-topic posts. Right now the top post for me on "All" is this post from ![email protected]. You might notice that it isn't a meme in any way shape or form. You might also notice that it was literally posted by a mod from that community. This kind of thing happens a lot, communities on Lemmy are very prone to getting derailed away from their nominal topic.
Internet moderation needs to be performed dispassionately. It's administration, not leadership. But still, it appeals to power-tripping, self important assholes who have no interest in curating a functional community but instead ensuring everyone thinks and acts exactly like they do. The larger lemmy gets, the more of these awful moderators make up the moderation team. There is no mechanism in place to prevent this. I don't even know how such sa mechanism would work, but as soon as one is figured out, the Internet will be a better place.
Lemmy: with account and active participation (but lurking most of the time)
Reddit: using RedReader without account to browse all those best posts from days past.
I was just re-wiping my Reddit comments with an updated text yesterday and apparently, the word "enshittification" is banned on r/hellsomememes. Seriously?
I miss the content though, and I have too much of a life to create a fediverse community and fill it with content even if it's stolen. Can somebody break Reddit's ToS and set up a reposting bot?
These aren't articles, they're just memes. The discussion below is mostly just "aww" and "I'd like a demon friend too" so it's not too important. Of course, the reposting should not be overdone: perhaps limit the bot to a single top post every day.
Can you, or anyone, explain to me how tf to do the text overwriting thing? Like, is it even doable for someone who doesn't know the first thing about coding?
I am using Shreddit on Linux. It goes through each line in comments.csv from the GDPR export I requested, which is more complete than the data PowerDeleteSuite gets access to. PowerDeleteSuite basically clicks through your comment history on old.reddit.com and submits edit requests, while Shreddit uses the powerful API (it's not paid for personal use but you need to register the client, see the github page) and will find all comments thanks to the legally-mandated completeness of the GDPR export (if supplied; it will use the API to retrieve the comment list otherwise). BTW, you can alter the comments.csv for a custom filter (for example, I want to use a Czech string in Czech subreddits). You can use it on Windows (and it's an easier installation) but because of non-POSIX shenanigans, newlines in the replacement string won't work there.
If using PowerDeleteSuite, make sure to download the log file it supplies before you close the window or your original comment content will be lost!
Hi, I'm Serinus of the Lemmy.World Community Team checking in.
And aren't the mods mostly the same mods that were active onnreddit before?
No. Most of the mods from Reddit stayed on Reddit to desperately cling to "power".
Also, if you want to help with this, talk to me about modding a community or two.
in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only consume content, 9% of the participants change or update content, and 1% of the participants add content.
It generally takes about five minutes a month to mod a medium (Lemmy) sized community. I have to beg people to volunteer, and they often turn me down.
Our top mods seem to be great people, but I'm still trying to informally limit how many communities they have in favor of having more diversity and fresh blood. But it's difficult when they're willing to actively help out, and I have to go beg otherwise active people who turn me down.
Please, if you don't like super mods and you want to actually help, go take a look at some of your favorite communities right now. See if the mods have posted in the last couple months. If they haven't, talk to me about modding that community. Mention this post.
I insulted a mod unknowingly on a subreddit like a decade ago (all I said was that his advice was idiotic) and since then every time I mistakenly post on that subreddit, my account get permabanned and then all my other accounts get permabanned as well. What a completely stupid website.
FYI, you seem to be new here and seem not to be far-left. For your future enjoyment of lemmy, note that Lemmy.ML is a communist instance and therefore you may not like some of the content there.
I want to choose Lemmy but I use Reddit more because Lemmy has technical problems, it keeps logging me out after days or few weeks, Reddit keeps my session for months or years
Staying here and reporting issues would help Lemmy, you know? Much more than just complaining it isn't as stable and mature as a commercial product developed by a company for years.
Logging you out from the website of your Lemmy instance or from a mobile app?
If the latter, try changing app. If the former, try contacting your instance admin, or see if there's a mod/admin community. Worst case scenario, move to another instance.
I go here. If there isn't the right sub yet, I make it, start advertising it on Reddit.
After Reddit closed the API so that spez could get his 100+ million bonus, yet I no longer was allowed to use my RedditIsFun app, it was game over for me. I deleted 13+ years of thousands of my posts and replies, 150K karma, fuck it, don't care, not leaving that so an sociopath can enrich himself
I umderstand your reasoning and I sure hope the fediverse will succeed. I doubt the normies will come over any time soon, but that is not really a bad thing. What is bad tho, is the fragmentation of data over so many instances, duplicate communities not knowing about each other and the censorship some instances apply. I don't even know how some of these will get fixed or if they will ever, as they are core part of a decentralized architecture. I miss infinity tho, eternity for lemmy worked for a while but it's no longer maintained :(
I think it's an imperfect solution for an imperfect world. Centralized systems just censor your talnthey don't like and you're done. This does open the door for extremist instances, but what's the alternative?
Was I the only one who read "power hungry" and "mods" separately and thought it fit with how reddit is run these days? I.E. the owners of the site are power hungry. I mean, the mods are too but they don't hold a candle to the owners or reddit.
Lemmy's mostly alright, it's nice that it is more politically open, though I've seen a lot I don't agree with from some groups, namely hexbear, but also a bit from other places. ml is a mixed bag for me but at least you can just straight up block things easily.
hi, just created my account and installed voyager to browse on my phone. its great so far, I hope it'll last and I can ditch reddit entirely. Trying to find more interest-based fediverses, anyone know where to look?
because advertisers will do anything to sell something. even if not official ads id bet we see fake accounts pushing something like reddit has seen over the years
That's not how this works. Eventually the way we search instances gets weighed heavily to the content with ads. Look at podcasts or youtube. You just can't find that OG material and it's not just because the Joe Rogan are just that much better at podcasting. It's because the ads are expensive and the system is made to sell attention.
You cannot give an inch. You either have to stand firm and never tolerate any encroachment of advertising or you have to bend over and grab the ankles and brace for the massive ad injection into all our spaces. There can never be any middle ground. Like a weed you have to be proactive and the minute you let your guard down it'll take over wearing the face of your favorite ishowspeed clone.
It's sliding further and further to the right, calling out transphobia gets your comments removed now if it's against power users being transphobic or defending transphobia.
Internet is sliding away from what it was originally in the worst way. it's to the point you cannot create anything without forcing ads into it. At what point does just forking the instance not work. Who says github doesn't just start charging people like an Azure subscription and then offer up as packages as a way to reduce cost
Spam is a moderation/instance level problem. If your community is pinning ads, nobody's going to subscribe or participate in it. There's no value in doing so.
I'll probably migrate eventually. I've already changed a few times and it used to be a hassle but apparently it's not now? But I just haven't gotten around to it yet lol
I wouldn't say that. It varies from subreddit to subreddit, community to community, instance to instance. And sometimes they are just staying within goals for the given space, regardless of whether it is Reddit or Lemmy. Your personal experience will often vary with how aligned you are with the viewpoints of mods, if they engage in heavy viewpoint discrimination.
Several people have already raised concerns with the fact that they got banned from several unrelated .ml communities by the same mod for breaking the rules in one community. There are several topics with broad appeal that have their largest community on .ml. Switching instances is basically the same as making another account because you're still subject to the .ml moderation.
The people don't really do that. A move needs to start from the mods, whether it's because they want to move or because they did something to piss everybody off.
It could in fact depict any forum, IRC, or organized online community.
I don’t know why people keep attributing privacy to Lemmy when ActivityPub is anything but.
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from? Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view? Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
That depends on the implementation.
That depends on the implementation.
That—believe it or not—depends on the implementation.
We already have an implementation. You me and OP are all on Lemmy. So can you answer these in the context of Lemmy again?
I actually can’t answer them, because I only admin this instance, I don’t run it.
While I’m sure this is not the case, it’s entirely possible that the people who do run this instance are running a fork of it that does all of those things. It couldn’t log your IP address or block your VPN, but it could mine, and your instance could yours. And I haven’t read the Lemmy source code, so I don’t know what even an unmodified Lemmy logs.
(Actually this instance is running a fork right now, or rather a branch: 0.19.6-beta1, because lemmy.ml is the core Lemmy developers’ instance for testing beta code before releasing production versions.)
But you can read the source code and get an understanding of whether it is collecting private information or not. You can theoretically also fork the code and make your own version of Lemmy where you're ripped out the parts that collect private information. Can you do any of those things with Reddit? Absolutely not. You have no idea what exactly Reddit collects and even if you did you have no control over that collection.
What you're doing is questioning the privacy aspect without putting in the effort to check if your questioning is valid. Nobody is preventing you from reading the source code. And if you don't trust anyone else running the instance you can fork Lemmy, make whatever privacy changes you need and host your own instance. That goes beyond the capabilities of the average user but that's the catch with privacy, if you can't trust others then you have to learn more to get by without others.
Many Lemmy instances block VPN posting. You can view, but not vote or post. I have a secondary private VPN I use sometimes for that. But honestly the whole thing just sucks.
ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances, but of course, like all websites, your home instance can see your IP.
I got off lemmy.world because they block VPN connections. Not happening, under any circumstances. I don't trust anyone that much.
Is your IP passed on to other instances along with your post/comment?
No. ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances.
Nope, that info stays on the home instance.
No idea. I installed a VPN on my router to get privacy. That's all I ask.
Meanwhile I know lemmy instance that blocks most clearnet connections and can be accessed from tor and i2p
Trust them with what though? What are you posting?
Did you just do the "if you don't have anything to hide, what's the big deal" move?
I want privacy. That's all.
I'm just saying that you're literally making posts and comments specifically to be heard. What's getting obscured here?
Well, my ISP doesn't need to know anything about my posts. And the fediverse doesn't need to know who I am beyond "growingentropy," so...
Ah yeah that makes sense.
I have a router with a VPN. I'm not disabling that just to post on lemmy.world.
And generally that's fine. If you're posting stuff publicly, expect it to be public.
Lemmy gives away for free what Reddit is desperately trying to put up walls on so they can sell it, but I wouldn't call it "private" because it's monetized.
Lemmy is the opposite of privacy, and that just makes sense if you 🤔.
I desperately want all my posts on all forum like sites to be easily indexable by search engines. That Reddit blocked other search engines besides Google from indexing is crazy.
In terms of privacy reddit has it better(still bad but better than Lemmy) because your content is locked behind a paywall only few companies can access. On the other hand, any one can train their AI on Lemmy posts and access all history of all users freely. The difference is that on lemmy only the companies that collect your data profit, while on reddit also the owners of the platform (reddit itself) profit.
No, it's just open free for the taking by anyone who decides to spin up their own instance, or to anyone who decides to scrape from an instance frederated with yours without robots.txt set against web scrapers. Hosters could even intentionally break federation to prevent deletions from syncing.
I love lemmy, but privacy is not one of its features.
Any script kiddie can scrape the entirety of Lemmy, with the exception of direct/private messages. robots.txt is merely a request, with no enforcement capability.
That was what I was going to say.
That said, if someone detects some sort of data-mining plagiarism bot sucking down everything on an instance, it can be defederated very quickly.
New instances basically suck down everything as the most normal use case. That's what activitypub is for.
There is script that marks entire fediverse for backfilling
Why would such a bot need to be on a new instance?
See, the app won't track your clicks, views, interests. Only public thing is the thinh you post. Which is great for public communities. Theese are meant to be public. But things facebook or reddit or google does is enough to call lemmy private
The amount of magical thinking around federated protocols both on Lemmy and Mastodon is astounding. Sure, design decisions make a difference, but federations gonna federate.
Yeah I mean look what instance this was posted on.
Probably they will ban me just for saying that.
At least we have choices outside of those two, and open logs to peruse
You are partly correct and I'm sure you can see what I mean by that.
I have had a comment of mine removed from .ml for (correctly) indicating that hexbear is not a trustworthy instance.
💢 AM I BEING DETAINED 💢
Meh... Tha's pretty much life.
Yea I’m banned from commenting on several instances of Lemmy. Not really sure why. I can view but I cannot participate.
Sh.itjust.works is defederated from some Lemmy instances, could be that?
Yea, its just the same exact power hungry mod template as everywhere else.
You can’t unseen the huge one problem that Lemmy has: lack of contents/people
And the community that is here is, amazingly, somehow even worse than Reddit, on average, when it comes to being a hive mind that is wildly intolerant of any disagreement.
I personally disagree, mainly because the interactions have much more depth than the same 30 unfunny comments that people make on reddit ex: this. Don't get me wrong it happens here as well, just way less. I also see people back claims up with evidence here way more, it's not always valid evidence but at least an attempt is made more.
The thing I like the best is the lack of self righteousness (ironic I'm making this comment on this post haha) that reddit has, that was my personal biggest complaint there. Like on reddit if there is an animal in a video in any way shape or form you can almost always find someone screeching about animal abuse, even when it is obviously not.
I of course have bias in favor of Lemmy and this is highly dependent on the community. I will admit Lemmy is super left leaning, which I like, but definitely supports your hive mind argument. Even though I lean left I think it would be healthier for Lemmy to have more of a presence from the right. Unfortunately with how the political landscape is today I think it won't be very achievable but hopefully when we hit the post Trump era divisiveness will ease making coexistence here more achievable.
That's a little risky to say on this instance lmao
And boom. It's gone!
I don't care about that so much as the hyper specificity of not only "you have to be on the political left here" but "being to the left isn't enough, you need to be this far left, and hold these specific views on politics, technology, etc.".
There probably are servers that try to be more tolerant or other opinions, but I think social media could be improved by something like in this video. I put a timestamp but TL;DW not just upvote+downvote, yes or no, but more diverse reactions like "partially agree", "offtopic", "you have convinced me", "informative", "misses the point", etc.
So not just up and down, but left, right, diagonal and every which way to have a broader spectrum of human reactions instead of a binary one.
Additionally, add a more structured conversation flow depending on the community. A community for questions looks more like quora, a science community could maybe want options to add sources and have them aggregated in a thread, and so on.
Why would you actively want evil?
yes but right is all evil
Catch 22. Just gotta start posting content
I find enough content here. Have you blocked every instance?
Good for you. At least it’s not enough for me, and for everyone who’s still using Reddit
Yeah, in comparison, that's for sure. But if they don't join, they fulfill their own prophecy.
lemmy now has more content daily than reddit in 2011, we'll grow.
We've already grown faster than reddit
And searching for the said content
It's as private as you make it. It does not have integrated tracking and/or ad trafficking.
Yeah, Lemmy doesn't block you from accessing it via a VPN, for one.
Couldn't it? If an Instance owner so chose?
Of course it COULD but someone has to modify the code. Boost for Lemmy also shows google ads...
Not a code change at all, just a filtering of the traffic from particular ip's and forwarding it to a different page which is all that reddit is doing as well.
How can you implement Google AdSense banners like that????
I wasn't talking about good AdSense in this case, just the page you are redirected to if you are coming from one of their marked VPN IP addresses. Unless this has changed since the last time I attempted to go to Reddit with a VPN on. But that's the behavior I've witnessed.
This discussion was about Lemmy and that you could easily implement ads by changing the code, you say you don't need a code change ? What's your point?
As all sites should be. I'm on the internet, mr world wide. When did we expect privacy. Don't put nothing online you don't want the world to know.
I used to think like this, but it's a bit more nuanced./ If you tell people they can't have any expectation of privacy, it's essentially telling people of persecuted minorities that they're not welcome.
Perfect privacy is impossible, but it shouldn't be trivial to violate someone's privacy when their membership of such a community is relevant.
Reddit isn't privacy-safe either.
I'd put less bots/more legitimate users as a benefit of lemmy instead of privacy though.
also a gdpr nightmare
Care to explain why?
I'm assuming he means because federation, even if you delete something its mirrored on other instances
Sure, but the deletion is also mirrored to the other instances no?
EDIT: I suppose it should be alright if you mention in your privacy policy that if you interact with other instances their privacy policies apply as well.
Yeah, but companies can also "choose" to ignore GDPR requests. I don't think talking about instances not following the spec and deleting things when requested is relevant.
Under normal circumstances. But there could be federation issues, or someone could run a custom version that just ignores all deletion requests.
I'm unsure if that's considered part of the diligence required in Europe.
Edit: does that even apply to public forums such as this? I have always treated it all as if it's public forever.
To be honest, privacy is not a major concern of mine and wasn't a factor in my decision making at all. Things like messages not being e2e encrypted don't really bother me that much.
You can't guarantee better mods, those are volunteers/instance admins/staff of an instance admin and are people. There is nothing inherent to how Lemmy works that ensures that people tasked with moderating aren't power hungry or in some way a bit of a dick. There was to my understanding, a certain draw to Lemmy over Reddit in that the federated nature means the actions of some power hungry moderator on one instance won't leave you having no option but to accept their behaviour because you can just migrate to another instance to see and interact with the same content or even spin up your own instance, but that doesn't make the mods themselves any different and that's all in theory anyway. In practice there isn't currently a way to migrate user accounts from one instance to another so if your account is of value to you and you've run afoul of some ban happy mod in one community on one instance, then you'll have to make a whole new account on another instance if you want to circumvent them and interact in that same community again from another instance and in such a case if its identifiably still you, or you want to engage in the original behaviour that incurred their wrath then they'll just ban you again from your new instance because a different protocol design doesn't mean different people.
Lemmy makes it a bit easier to make competing communities. If enough people get angry at bad mods in a community they will migrate.
This already happened in Reddit, but competing communities had different names, and Lemmy also allows to escape bad admins and sites/instances.
I like that we can escape from site admins. There's some profound magical thinking going on at lemmy.ml. But I have unsubscribed to all their communities. I haven't yet blocked it entirely but I could do that too.
Not only that but where do they think 3/4 of the mods went during the great migration and blackout out reddit?
Lemmy dudes. They haven't gone anywhere lol. Hell, reddit feels even less moderated these days besides the usual stickler subs like /r/anime lmfao.
Uh, no. Better mods is bullshit.
The same powertripping happens here and the admins are just as dismissive.
It is so invigorating to see you remember me.
You were banned for deliberate intellectual dishonesty, which I had clearly predicted in the thread. Shame I forgot to block you as well. Let me take care of that.
It's shocking how often I think the assholes of Lemmy have hearts in the right place and thus I don't block them but are otherwise overly committed to specific and weirdly hyper critical takes.
Like they want the discussion/fight but only as long as they win every time even though no one is 100% right about anything. And not everyone needs to know or believe in the same hyper specific thought process they believe in.
Zero tolerance policy here. If a person is being needlessly antagonistic or resorting to personal attacks, they get blocked. On reddit it was pointless because the assholes number in the millions, but Lemmy is small enough that it's made the experience better over time.
Reddit's blocking mechanism was also insane. Take this hypothetical thread,
If User B blocks User A, User A cannot reply to User C. Blocking on Reddit prevents people from replying to anything that is a reply to you instead of just your own comments.
Works the same here, from what I can tell. I would prefer a "this user has been blocked by you" message instead of just cutting off the whole thread.
Fight fight fight!
I got banned from world news for being pro Palestinians and the mods wouldn't even give me an answer as to why I got banned. Then when I kept asking I got a site wide ban for ""harassment"
I got banned from /news for being "antisemitic" because I debunked the fake israeli Rape propaganda and from worldnews for calling out a Zionist mod spreading pro-israel propaganda.
Also took a few temp bans on .world for debunking other Hasbara such as claims about Hamas bases under hospitals in the beginning of the Genocide.
Seems like I wasn't the only one falsely accused of spreading hate and and calling for violence.
Justifying israel and America committing Genocide = reasonable discussion.
Saying that blocking some ships to inflict economic pressure on the people committing Genocide is okay = terrorism.
Liberals in a nutshell.
It's simple, look at the skin color of the perpetrators and victims, and do a comparison. Easy!
why stay on world after that, what a shithole
The reason I made my account on .world was because it was the most Zionism infested instance. It was a very intentional choice.
As long as you can debunk the Hasbara without getting banned it's the best place to change people's minds. You'd be amazed what .world looked like 9 months ago.
The mods put up with it for a while. But now the elections are coming close and Biden is still committing Genocide the .World mods are stepping up the censorship.
What are you on?
I just recently got banned (I think, never got a response) from the politics sub for reporting another use that called me retarded. It's legit confusing. I literally reported them because it seemed out of pocket but apparently I said something offensive as well
I'm about ready to that go back to reddit, just using a web browser on my phone. This is place is asking users for a lot and people still don't seem to understand what a community is. All the pretty words people used when we migrated over was all BS apparently. It's weird since people clearly put in work but like, where are the mods/admins leading the community? Idk, maybe this stuff's just too hard for mostly socially-stunted people to manage (including myself, raised on video games and whatnot)
Shortly before I was permabanned I got an intensely hateful PM from someone who created a throwaway account just for that. He claimed that all Arabs are pedos and rapists and Islam is a disease of the mind and Arabs are infected. He glorified the genocide in Gaza because 'That's what you get for killing Jews'.
His master account is probably still active and unblemished. He was probably the guy whose reply I gave got me permabanned
Why not try a different instance? .world is by far the worst of the major instances and the most friendly towards transphobia, zionism, fascism, and left-punching.
Idk, it's honestly all a bit too confusing. I still don't get how this place works. I just use sync and even then some servers/instances or whatever will say I can't vote for certain posts/servers - idk, I'm assuming there's servers that get turned off at night or something
Have a recommendation? I only joined world because it seemed to have the least requirements for joining and was maybe more popular. I remember other instances requiring you answer a bunch of questions to join or something like that
"Instances" are like islands. There are other islanders you can interact with, with their own buildings, but people can visit your buildings from other islands. You can't make another island your "home," though, and just interact with their buildings. Some islands are on good terms, and some are on bad terms, and block each other.
What this looks like practically, are that you need to pick an instance that passes your vibe check. Scrolling by local on your home instance should be fun and engaging, and scrolling by "all" should show you more stuff you want to see.
Lemmy.world intentionally defederates from the more overtly Leftist instances, as an example, so it skews more right-wing.
Go to this instance explorer, check out interesting instances, and scroll locally, anonymously. See the vibe! If you like the vibe, make an account or apply for one, and start interacting. You don't have to delete your old account! I have 2, each on different instances, depending on my mood.
That was good info! Thanks
I got perma IP banned from reddit after engaging a pro Trumper in a debate about what candidate actually gives us any remote chance for legalization. They devolved to trolling. I matche their energy. Guess who's comments got downvoted to hell (the troll) yet still is allowed to keep their account.
I swear these people act like school staff who prioritize protecting bullies over their victims. I cannot count the number of times I was accused of being uncivil when I decided to match the bullshit of trolls and bullies.
It's because reddit had a rightwing mod takeover and they really do favor the bullies... like look at all the nazi stuff/subs there. Reddit is compromised
Yea. These people basically get ahead by taking advantage of the decency of others. But once you match their energy, How dare we be so indecent?
That's OK though. I now know what it takes for them to understand we can't be fucked with.
One thing I find interesting about Lemmy is that the modlog is public. This is the modlog for you on lemmy.ml (I assume you meant ![email protected] since it seems to be the largest worldnews community). https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=1572077
Note to readers: I'm not saying this user did or did not do anything deserving of action against them, but I believe public modlogs are a useful tool for accountability.
I was talking about reddit, but yeah
Back when Reddit was both good and the only option, we could laugh about being banned from the Trump sub.
Lots of mods on my favourite bits of Reddit left for lemmy, they were replaced by admins and the admins' friends
It's easy now to get a site wide ban if you participate in big subs (and a myriad small subs with the same mods) and don't share the mods' politics
my experience is such that people don't get these sweeping bans for having opinions. They get them for acting like sociopathic aggressive individuals.
And based on what I'm seeing when I check folks' profiles reiterating the same story... Yep it checks out more often than not. There's no discourse on the internet when it consists of calling people slurs in a weird barrage of insults. Those are the people who get banned here or there.
Reddit still has niches that (unfortunately) exist nowhere else, probably won't exist anywhere else soon due to the need for foot traffic, and are tolerable as long as old.reddit.com stays up.
And it's the lesser evil over Discord.
Lemmy is of course 1000x better, but it doesn't matter if your niche there is a ghost town.
I only lurk on Reddit these days, but if old reddit goes away I'll be completely done with it.
anything worth value, is 3 > 4 years old, and all those users are "deleted".
if google and duck duck go stop indexing old.redd, I'll probably never see it again.
But, at least trying to grow said niches didn't hurt. I've been on lemmy for more than a year and i've both created new horror groups and "adopted" abandoned one and, at the very least, now there's some life there. Nothing amazing, but people post and interact now.
If a group you find interesting is abandoned just start posting there, also, if the mods are gone for more than 9 months, just ask to the instances admins to become the new Moderator, all it took is to send a mail most of the time.
The main problem is, people are not aware of the left path
Well the main problem is that the left path has about a tenth the content.
And also that Redditors are terrified of change.
Correction to my comment, the right road is wider, and is also a giant glue trap
I fucking wish.
So many communities simply don't have alternatives here. But I'm happier with the quality of the communities that do exist. So what if they don't have spam bots sharing 6-12 month old memes that sometimes make no sense outside the timeframe they were post and users just repeating catch phrases for karma increasing the amount of "content"?
There are like 5 people here to talk about my entire country of 10 million while the Reddit community gets 2000+ every day. Even a karma farmer would help here as long as it's not a bot and occasionally replies to comments.
Is the onboarding experience any better? I remember the initial process of joining Lemmy felt very shady and not user friendly. That can be a massive deterrent for people joining. Then on top of that having to filter out all the communities that are not to my taste.
Overall it was a messy non-user friendly experience, but now that I'm here I'm happy.
I tried to recruit a friend of mine but the moment I tried to explain instances to him, he zoned out. I wouldn’t call it non-user friendly, but it’s not as simple and dumbed down like other social media is.
Also roughly a year ago there have been a couple of articles thrown around on Twitter and certain subreddits which wrote about CP stuff going on on Mastodon. So the Fediverse had some bad press. Which is rich coming from the site that allowed people like Violentacrez to fester.
Instances are great, but are also a problem for onboarding.
Is there a single point of entry for people now? I can imagine there being a website people could go to that asks a few simple questions and sorts (or load balances) people to certain instances. This would of course need some way for people to transfer their accounts in the future should they not be happy with their instance. Additionally each instance would need to have some kind of API call for the single point of entry to create the accounts You could even have a simple survey to gauge people's interests to help them in the community filtering process and present the mobile apps that are available.
Just some thoughts of course on how it might be possible to improve the users first experience.
You are right. There's join-lemmy, but the problem is that people often get sent from another site to the join-lemmy site which then wants to send them to another site. Too many refferals not enough seeing content.
Example: start here https://alternativeto.net/software/reddit/
Kinda feels like the site isn't developing much at all tbh. I know mods have been asking for more tools for a while now
Is there more privacy though? What you post is public and people can use the api/scrape it soo....
We are free from "intrusive advertisers who tracks every movement, clicks and time spent on each kind of post, comment or whatever"
As well as device fingerprinters
yeah, this is literally a public forum. Everything posted is public. Nothing is private.
Privacy is such a loaded term. To some people it means that your data is.not being actively sold to advertisers. To others it means everything is e2e encrypted.
That being the case, I would LOVE better search indexing, so I could search Lemmy, then reddit, THEN the rest of the web lol.
I think most people here would take the left path but there might be a selection bias at play
I tried going back to Reddit after a year and a half away. It's literally unusable now. Got banned from like 5 subs and Reddit within 2 days whereas before my account was 7 years old without a ban. You literally can't say anything there anymore without offending someone or starting a fight and you'll get banned right away for any dissent or wrong think. Every mod is ban happy and if you say anything beyond a one word, vanilla answer, you get banned. It's absolute trash, like I said I made it there for 7 years without a ban, now it's just frustrating to get banned from every other sub for every other comment. And every post you put up gets taken down right away for one reason or another
I'm currently a public enemy on reddit (as in, they ban every account they find that could possibly be me) because I made a comment stating that Egyptians (I'm egyptian) are not zionists. This was in response to someone saying that Egyptians actually hate palestinians and support israel.
I got permabanned, then they proceeded to permaban every account I made, after the first, the one that lasted the longest (and last) lasted 3 months until It was flagged again for saying "I don't debate zionists" which reddit considers hate, they removed the 3 day ban I got for that but didn't remove the permaban the account got for being associated with my old account (used on the same device).
Basically each time I'm banned from a subreddit or temporarily banned from reddit itself my account gets terminated.
All because I don't support israel.
I refuse to make another one out of principle
Edit: I can't stop laughing right now.
THEY ACCIDENTALLY UNBANNED ME
Wow. Zionists have banned me from their reddits for not replying fast enough to their bullshit. That is nuts.
I was permabanned for saying that Lebanese people (I am Lebanese) don't blame Israel for all of Lebanon's problems... just the problems that they deserve blame for.
Seeing my nearly 13 year old account guy permabanned for that when these people have been getting away with calling for the genocide and bombing of Lebanese children is as chilling as it is infuriating .
Lots of people seem to be reporting permabans for comments involving Israel
All my bans were related to Israel. My first two bans were for stating that Netenyahu needed to be put on trial and hanged for his crimes. The same way Saddam was hanged and many Nazi war criminals were hanged.
They accused me of calling for violence against an individual, and I cannot see their point. If I said I wanted him to be randomly shot or murdered I would, but I wanted him tried and judicially punished. That is not a threat.
And you might wonder why I suddenly am pro-death penalty when I was anti-death penalty for a long time? Because the scale of these crimes and the brazenness is so severe that I realize I have actually seen a crime that IS worthy of capital punished. The soldiers Who took part in the war crimes also need to be sentenced harshly with a minimum of multidecade sentences and if they are released they would he on a strict parole for the remainder of their lives.
And the fun fact is that Netenyahu is continually the genocide in part because if there is another election and he is replaced, he will likely be convicted of major corruption charges within Israel and spend a lot of time in prison anyway...
That sounds comically bad. Like hard to believe bad. Even the slightest mention of anti-Zionist feeling is forbidden now on Reddit?
You better believe it. I had an account for almost 12 years that only got any kind of ban due to anti-zionist criticism I made. The whole affair with Gaza has broken me in ways I cannot describe. But you wouldn't believe what was the comment I made that got me permabanned .
Some zionists were trolling me on the Lebanon subreddit and accused all Lebanese of blaming our problems 100% on Israel. I only responded that we only blame Israel for what they deserve blame for.
No seriously, that is what got me permabanned. They claimed that that comment was a call for violence against a marginalized group of people.
I am currently personally banned from reddit for a pro palestine comment, not just like an account, they've banned my IP and Device IDs, any account I create gets deleted within a few hours, I tried to make one today to test how bad it is...
2 hours, it lasted 2 hours
It's despicable how they've tried to shut down criticism of Israel's mass murder by dishing out permabans
The situation over there is tough, it's so zionist it's starting to feel right wing.
To be fair, half of it is filled with outright fascists, ahem r/Europe cough r/Worldnews
Just the mention of r/worldnews made me quiver .
It's a fascist's paradise
Lemmy.world isn't any better these days, it took the anti-spez but still pro r/worldnews crowd
Lemmy.world is getting there too, though that's more of an admin/moderator issue than a user issue (for now).
If you posted anything close to your post history here, well.........
I always wonder who are the creeps that check out strangers post history. Anyways that's my point, I'm not like you you're not like me. I don't like you either but I don't want you banned because you offend me.
What's worse is that if you look at both our histories you're gonna realize we both hate Trump and conservatives, in a person of color. I'm LGBTQ. but you're one of those people who just creams themselves on division so you look for it, even among your allies. So to you in not a true Scotsman and therefore you can now look down on me and feel better. When at the end of the day we're both on the same side, even if we don't jive.
I mean, I kinda get your point but also when you say things like you get banned that often and that easily are you really surprised people might be curious why and try to see what sort of things you actually post? (Note: I haven't looked at your post or comment history as of making this comment.)
That guy's just looking for something to fight about. You could look at anyone's history and sort by controversial and judge them based on that. I think it's just weird to take the time to research a total stranger and what they've been saying and doing, just to start a fight and feel self important. I don't track any of your guys user names or anything, I'm just here to pass the time.
I'm not sure if mods are a proper criteria when it comes to comparing Lemmy and Reddit. The audience is mostly the same and Lemmy doesn't automatically make people/mods better or worse.
Also, you forgot one major point: API! I get to use and support my third party app of choice Sync here on Lemmy which was killed off by Reddit.
Yeah, as soon as Reddit killed off Reddit is fun, it was game over for me
Yup. I made a comment on ![email protected] that criticized the recent rigged Venezuelan election, complete with citations. Banned for "misinformation". Sure, you can just go elsewhere, but "better mods" is subjective.
Me over here just vibing by myself on my own self-hosted instance that I pay out of pocket for. I go find communities I like and subscribe to them, and it’s enough to keep me interested and engaged, without most of the bullshit Reddit has.
Exactly this
Definitely a good route!
Majority: everybody uses reddit, so I'll join them
Me: everybody uses reddit now, time to leave
Lemmy.World is undergoing is bit of a Zionist admin/mods problem.
They seem to admire the reddit r/worldnews model.
Add transphobia to the list, saying "questioning another users stated gender identity as a form of internet clout chasing is transphobic" gets your comment removed.
This is the good part of the fediverse too. Search for another instance that is more friendly towards the plight of Palestinians.
They've already said they are deliberately on the offensive against Zionists and choose .world because it's the biggest cesspool of them on Lemmy.
I don't understand. If a mod from memes.world bans me from a meme community, I can still comment on memes.world from another instance? Or are you saying just go to another community on another instance that has the same kind of content? Because if it's the latter then Lemmy's userbase number problem comes into play. Even popular subjects only have like one or two big communities.
The mod will ban your account on ![email protected] E.g. [email protected]
Nothing stops you from using another account on another instance to access the same community, like [email protected]
I don't think I alluded to anything in my comment though.
I could really go for some mouth numbingly spicy noodles.
Edit: rereading my own comment, I've meant that Linkerbaan could have been posting on another community that is not @lemmy.world based. Like technology has multiple communities across multiple instances for example. But it's been highlighted that they actively post on lemmy.world on purpose. To fight the fight.
I got banned from world news because I simply responded to about obviously bullshit comment with 'nope'. I was fatigued and short on time, but ultimately that was all their false claims deserved.
Nahh the mods are irrelevant, they're human everywhere .
Reddits a turd because its corporate, they're literally exploiting you for their betterment. I dont understand why people are OK with that but here we are.
There are pros and cons. I use both, because Lemmy on its own just isn't big enough to replace Reddit. Lemmy has a decent variety of active communities for very broad/mainstream topics, plus technology and left wing politics, reflecting the shared interests of most Lemmy users. But then for any topic that's more niche and doesn't have a disproportionally large overlap with the interests of Lemmy users, it kinda falls appart. A lot of the more niche subredddits I participate in have no Lemmy equivalent.
I'm also hesitant to call Lemmy's moderation better. One thing I've noticed with Lemmy mods is that they tend to be far too lenient with off-topic posts. Right now the top post for me on "All" is this post from ![email protected]. You might notice that it isn't a meme in any way shape or form. You might also notice that it was literally posted by a mod from that community. This kind of thing happens a lot, communities on Lemmy are very prone to getting derailed away from their nominal topic.
Are the better mods in the room with us now?
Internet moderation needs to be performed dispassionately. It's administration, not leadership. But still, it appeals to power-tripping, self important assholes who have no interest in curating a functional community but instead ensuring everyone thinks and acts exactly like they do. The larger lemmy gets, the more of these awful moderators make up the moderation team. There is no mechanism in place to prevent this. I don't even know how such sa mechanism would work, but as soon as one is figured out, the Internet will be a better place.
Lemmy: with account and active participation (but lurking most of the time) Reddit: using RedReader without account to browse all those best posts from days past.
I was just re-wiping my Reddit comments with an updated text yesterday and apparently, the word "enshittification" is banned on r/hellsomememes. Seriously?
I miss the content though, and I have too much of a life to create a fediverse community and fill it with content even if it's stolen. Can somebody break Reddit's ToS and set up a reposting bot?
Reposting bots aren't great. It just means a bunch of articles with no comments that make Lemmy look more dead than it actually is.
These aren't articles, they're just memes. The discussion below is mostly just "aww" and "I'd like a demon friend too" so it's not too important. Of course, the reposting should not be overdone: perhaps limit the bot to a single top post every day.
Would like to see that community on Lemmy
So would @[email protected] and @[email protected]. That makes four!
I am too busy to create it though.
There are some reposting bot, Lemmit comes to mind
Can you, or anyone, explain to me how tf to do the text overwriting thing? Like, is it even doable for someone who doesn't know the first thing about coding?
I am using Shreddit on Linux. It goes through each line in
comments.csvfrom the GDPR export I requested, which is more complete than the data PowerDeleteSuite gets access to. PowerDeleteSuite basically clicks through your comment history on old.reddit.com and submits edit requests, while Shreddit uses the powerful API (it's not paid for personal use but you need to register the client, see the github page) and will find all comments thanks to the legally-mandated completeness of the GDPR export (if supplied; it will use the API to retrieve the comment list otherwise). BTW, you can alter thecomments.csvfor a custom filter (for example, I want to use a Czech string in Czech subreddits). You can use it on Windows (and it's an easier installation) but because of non-POSIX shenanigans, newlines in the replacement string won't work there.If using PowerDeleteSuite, make sure to download the log file it supplies before you close the window or your original comment content will be lost!
If you're talking about your past reddit comments, I used this in the past: https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite, not sure if it still works though.
What do you mean by "privacy" on the lemmy side? And aren't the mods mostly the same mods that were active onnreddit before?
Hi, I'm Serinus of the Lemmy.World Community Team checking in.
No. Most of the mods from Reddit stayed on Reddit to desperately cling to "power".
Also, if you want to help with this, talk to me about modding a community or two.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule
It generally takes about five minutes a month to mod a medium (Lemmy) sized community. I have to beg people to volunteer, and they often turn me down.
Our top mods seem to be great people, but I'm still trying to informally limit how many communities they have in favor of having more diversity and fresh blood. But it's difficult when they're willing to actively help out, and I have to go beg otherwise active people who turn me down.
Please, if you don't like super mods and you want to actually help, go take a look at some of your favorite communities right now. See if the mods have posted in the last couple months. If they haven't, talk to me about modding that community. Mention this post.
Tell your friends about the Boost app. It makes things so much easier.
Voyager has big Apollo vibes which I am appreciating
Boost has ads. Just FYI, I use it and like it a lot but some can't stand ads
Fair. I paid the small one-off fee to disable ads and yeah, that's that. :)
I’m using Arctic and really like it! Apollo vibes.
Better than sync?
I used Boost when it was for Reddit, and never looked back. It's got everything I could need so yeah. All that for Lemmy is amazing.
I insulted a mod unknowingly on a subreddit like a decade ago (all I said was that his advice was idiotic) and since then every time I mistakenly post on that subreddit, my account get permabanned and then all my other accounts get permabanned as well. What a completely stupid website.
This happened to me for a Pro palestine comment.
Today they accidentally unbanned me because they can't even run their platform properly.
My account has an "suspension appeal rejected" message and is still running, fucking hell
They didn't even say anything, the account Is just suddenly not banned anymore
FYI, you seem to be new here and seem not to be far-left. For your future enjoyment of lemmy, note that Lemmy.ML is a communist instance and therefore you may not like some of the content there.
It's not a service issue, it's a people issue. Just wait and see Lemmy just turn up the same.
Well you got the no ads part right at least for now
I want to choose Lemmy but I use Reddit more because Lemmy has technical problems, it keeps logging me out after days or few weeks, Reddit keeps my session for months or years
Have you tried to change instances? I've tried a couple and didn't had this issue so far.
Staying here and reporting issues would help Lemmy, you know? Much more than just complaining it isn't as stable and mature as a commercial product developed by a company for years.
Logging you out from the website of your Lemmy instance or from a mobile app?
If the latter, try changing app. If the former, try contacting your instance admin, or see if there's a mod/admin community. Worst case scenario, move to another instance.
I agree, I really really want to move completely to FOS, even maby help other people over. But there seems to be many technical limitations.
How can we create a FOS social media for all 😭
Mine never logged out since last time a server side update required relogin(nearly a year ago)
why not both 💃🏻
Because the other one suuuuucks. Moda suck badly, management sucks, it all sucks.
So where do you go for tech advice, niche hobbies and obscure activities?
I go here. If there isn't the right sub yet, I make it, start advertising it on Reddit.
After Reddit closed the API so that spez could get his 100+ million bonus, yet I no longer was allowed to use my RedditIsFun app, it was game over for me. I deleted 13+ years of thousands of my posts and replies, 150K karma, fuck it, don't care, not leaving that so an sociopath can enrich himself
I umderstand your reasoning and I sure hope the fediverse will succeed. I doubt the normies will come over any time soon, but that is not really a bad thing. What is bad tho, is the fragmentation of data over so many instances, duplicate communities not knowing about each other and the censorship some instances apply. I don't even know how some of these will get fixed or if they will ever, as they are core part of a decentralized architecture. I miss infinity tho, eternity for lemmy worked for a while but it's no longer maintained :(
I think it's an imperfect solution for an imperfect world. Centralized systems just censor your talnthey don't like and you're done. This does open the door for extremist instances, but what's the alternative?
Was I the only one who read "power hungry" and "mods" separately and thought it fit with how reddit is run these days? I.E. the owners of the site are power hungry. I mean, the mods are too but they don't hold a candle to the owners or reddit.
Reddit on pc and lemmy on the phone. Better content on reddit with discussions not always becoming an ad for linux
Recently found a FF extension that works with RES to make the old.reddit mobile site...not a nightmare to use...
Now I pretty much just open reddit when I want tech news and/or feel hopeless...
Lemmy's mostly alright, it's nice that it is more politically open, though I've seen a lot I don't agree with from some groups, namely hexbear, but also a bit from other places. ml is a mixed bag for me but at least you can just straight up block things easily.
You looking for an echo chamber? lol
What isnt one today?
With Lemmy you have a selection of echo chambers, so its much more diverse in the end.
Sometimes hanging out with like-minded people is a less toxic, more pleasant experience.
I think you may be preaching to the choir on this one. 😅
The mods are not better here.
Are you sure it's not just your instance?
mango is both retarded, and unrelatedly correct.
Yes.
hi, just created my account and installed voyager to browse on my phone. its great so far, I hope it'll last and I can ditch reddit entirely. Trying to find more interest-based fediverses, anyone know where to look?
It's going to have ads eventually if it continues to grow.
Why?
because advertisers will do anything to sell something. even if not official ads id bet we see fake accounts pushing something like reddit has seen over the years
I'll just host my own instance without ads.
You'd have to stop reading popular posts
They post anyway.
That's not how this works. Eventually the way we search instances gets weighed heavily to the content with ads. Look at podcasts or youtube. You just can't find that OG material and it's not just because the Joe Rogan are just that much better at podcasting. It's because the ads are expensive and the system is made to sell attention.
You cannot give an inch. You either have to stand firm and never tolerate any encroachment of advertising or you have to bend over and grab the ankles and brace for the massive ad injection into all our spaces. There can never be any middle ground. Like a weed you have to be proactive and the minute you let your guard down it'll take over wearing the face of your favorite ishowspeed clone.
mechanically speaking though, you can just fork it
or leave lemmy.world (say) for another instance
world is straight up the worst instance, truly impressive how bad it is
It's sliding further and further to the right, calling out transphobia gets your comments removed now if it's against power users being transphobic or defending transphobia.
Maybe I'm not understanding. But my thing is stuff like this
https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/1eirx34/i_wanted_to_use_the_wheel_of_lunch_to_decide_what/
Internet is sliding away from what it was originally in the worst way. it's to the point you cannot create anything without forcing ads into it. At what point does just forking the instance not work. Who says github doesn't just start charging people like an Azure subscription and then offer up as packages as a way to reduce cost
Someone will fork it then. That's what I'm saying to not give an inch.
and then what? have the same fractional migration of users to yet another small corner of the internet?
Why not just collectively reject ads and fight for the spaces we have left instead.
I am rejecting add, that's why I'm on Lemmy hahaha
How? Just say no?
Spam is a moderation/instance level problem. If your community is pinning ads, nobody's going to subscribe or participate in it. There's no value in doing so.
not pinning ads just posting them. buying upvotes maybe
Still a moderation problem. Whoever properly moderates will cultivate a community that's not a shithole and people will go there instead.
nothing gets big without being taken over by a corporation or government. and I mean that in the most meta way possible.
What does that look like on Lemmy?
It looks like people participating who are paid to promote a company
But you'll see people accused of being a shill long before Lemmy draws the notice of advertisers
Also, can’t search it without google according to them.
better mods?
i just choose (other than lemmy) irc and some random obscure chatroom hidden in a webcomic
Lemmy no official apps but fediverse cross post are awesome
I would choose outline of both statements in opposite colors so that it's more ledgable
The one I can search posts from about a very specific issue or question I have with google
[REDDIT]
It's the same picture.
Yeah, mostly limited to specific instances though.
Like this one.
And world
Why are you still on .world?
I'll probably migrate eventually. I've already changed a few times and it used to be a hassle but apparently it's not now? But I just haven't gotten around to it yet lol
No way, reddit mods are insane.
I wouldn't say that. It varies from subreddit to subreddit, community to community, instance to instance. And sometimes they are just staying within goals for the given space, regardless of whether it is Reddit or Lemmy. Your personal experience will often vary with how aligned you are with the viewpoints of mods, if they engage in heavy viewpoint discrimination.
Reddit: porn
Lemmy: no porn
There's like, a whole instance for porn.
Many instances are defederated but not dbzer0
Yeah but OP is from dbzer0, and i bet some smaller one doesn't defederate as well.
That was my point. I have a dbzer0 account as well and I block all these communities so I'm surprised they don't even see them
Edit: I block them as in I don't want to see them personally but I don't care if others do
they ban me wherever i go, so fuck em both.
It may be time to admit that the problem is you, not mods.
while I'm not disagreeing with you, I do think there's a big problem with trigger happy mods not being tolerant of opinions they don't like.
Depends on the opinions, some should be bannable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Yes, you can't tolerate intolerance.
no. the problem is this massive pile of limp-wristed softies who need mods to protect them from the harsh reality of our modern predicament.
it is very much possible to be the only sane person in the crowd.
looking at your post history I completely understand why... I would ban you too if my rules included being nice
Are you joking? Lemmy is basically unmoderated, and the little moderation we have is trash.
Thats the neat part about lemmy, every instance can do their own thing.
If you're not happy with the moderation you currently have, you can always check out other instances
Several people have already raised concerns with the fact that they got banned from several unrelated .ml communities by the same mod for breaking the rules in one community. There are several topics with broad appeal that have their largest community on .ml. Switching instances is basically the same as making another account because you're still subject to the .ml moderation.
Then the people should switch over the communities to another instance then
The people don't really do that. A move needs to start from the mods, whether it's because they want to move or because they did something to piss everybody off.
Moderation is community level though.
If you bubble everything up to instance admins they basically melt from the effort.
I can’t speak for other instances, but we don’t melt from the effort.
We don't either
Yes and no
If one of our users report something on lemmy.world for example we can remove it for all our users.
So yes, the post still exists but from the perspective of our instance it's removed.
You're on one of the best-moderated instances unless you hate trans people.
I’m aware. That’s why I chose this instance. And yet.
I’m guessing the issue is that instance mods only see reports. What we’re missing is moderators that care about a community and curate it.