Study Finds Consumers Are Actively Turned Off by Products That Use AI
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I think AI has mostly been about luring investors into pumping up share prices rather than offering something of genuine value to consumers.
Some people are gonna lose a lot of other people's money over it.
Definitely. Many companies have implemented AI without thinking with 3 brain cells.
Great and useful implementation of AI exists, but it's like 1/100 right now in products.
If my employer is anything to go by, much of it is just unimaginative businesspeople who are afraid of missing out on what everyone else is selling.
At work we were instructed to shove ChatGPT into our systems about a month after it became a thing. It makes no sense in our system and many of us advised management it was irresponsible since it's giving people advice of very sensitive matters without any guarantee that advice is any good. But no matter, we had to shove it in there, with small print to cover our asses. I bet no one even uses it, but sales can tell customers the product is "AI-driven".
My old company before they laid me off laid off our entire HR and Comms teams in exchange for ChatGPT Enterprise.
“We can just have an AI chatbot for HR and pay inquiries and ask Dall-e to create icons and other content”.
A friend who still works there told me they’re hiring a bunch of “prompt engineers” to improve the quality of the AI outputs haha
That's an even worse 'use case' than I could imagine.
HR should be one of the most protected fields against AI, because you actually need a human resource.
And "prompt engineer" is so stupid. The "job" is only necessary because the AI doesn't understand what you want to do well enough. The only productive guy you could hire would be a programmer or something, that could actually tinker with the AI.
I'm sorry. Hope you find a better job, on the inevitable downswing of the hype, when someone realizes that a prompt can't replace a person in customer service. Customers will invest more time, i.e., even wait in a purposely engineered holding music hell, to have a real person listen to them.
God that sounds like hell.
Yes, I'm getting some serious dot-com bubble vibes from the whole AI thing. But the dot-com boom produced Amazon, and every company is basically going all-in in the hope they are the new Amazon while in the end most will end up like pets.com but it's a risk they're willing to take.
“You might lose all your money, but that is a risk I’m willing to take”
Investors pump money in a bunch of companies so the chances of at least one of them making it big and paying them back for all the failed investments is almost guaranteed. That's what taking risks is all about.
Sure, but it SEEMS, that some investors are relying on buzzword and hype, without research and ignoring the fundamentals of investing, i.e. besides the ever evolving claims of the CEO, is the company well managed? What is their cash flow and where is it going a year from now? Do the upper level managers have coke habits?
You’re right, but these fundamentals don’t really matter anymore, investors are buying hype and hoping to sell a bigger hype for more money later.
Seeing the whole thing as Knowingly Trading in Hype is actually a really good insight.
Certainly it neatly explains a lot.
Also called a Ponzi scheme, where every participant knows it's a scam, but hopes to find some more fools before it crashes and leave with positive balance.
If the whole sector turns out to be garbage it won't matter which particular set of companies within it you invest in; you will get burned if you cash out after everyone else.
OpenAI will fail. StabilityAI will fail. CivitAI will prevail, mark my words.
A lot of it is follow the leader type bullshit. For companies in areas where AI is actually beneficial they have already been implementing it for years, quietly because it isn't something new or exceptional. It is just the tool you use for solving certain problems.
Investors going to bubble though.
Yeah, can make some products better but most of the products these days that use AI, it doesn't actually need them. It's annoying to use products that actively shovel AI when it doesn't even need it.
Ya know what pfoduct MIGHT be better with AI?
Toasters. They have ONE JOB, and everybody agrees their toaster is crap. But you're not going to buy another toaster, because that too will be crap.
How about a toaster, that accurately, and evenly toasts your bread, and then DOESN'T give you a heart attack at 5am when you're still half asleep???
IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK???
Sweet, I'm the one who gets to link the obligatory Technology Connections toaster video!
Aw man, now I want this toaster.
I said the exact same thing months ago when I saw that video. I don’t even use a toaster.
Nah. We already have AI toasters, and they're ambitious, but rubbish.
Adding AI is just serious overkill for a toaster, especially when it wouldn't add anything meaningful, not compared to just designing the toaster better.
It only needs one string of conditions that it can understand: don't catch on fire. Turn yourself off IF smoke.
AI toasters are a Bad Idea
Did you want some toast?
This is the visionary we need. Take my venture capital millions on a magic carpet ride, time traveler!
I tried to find the advert but I see this on YouTube a lot - an Adobe AI ad which depicts, without shame, AI writing out a newsletter/promo for a business owner's new product (cookies or ice cream or something), showing the owner putting no effort into their personal product and a customer happily consuming because they were attracted by the thoughtless promo.
How are producers/consumers okay with everything being so mediocre??
I'm not. My particular beef is with is with plastics and toxic materials and chemicals being ubiquitous in everything I buy. Systemic problem that I can do almost nothing about apart from make things myself out of raw materials.
"You're always trying to make everything just a little bit worse so that you can feel good about having a lot more of it. I love it. It's so human!" - The Good Place
My doorbell camera manufacturer now advertises their products as using, "Local AI" meaning, they're not relying on a cloud service to look at your video in order to detect humans/faces/etc. Honestly, it seems like a good (marketing) move.
As I mentioned in another post, about the same topic:
Slapping the words “artificial intelligence” onto your product makes you look like those shady used cars salesmen: in the best hypothesis it’s misleading, in the worst it’s actually true but poorly done.
LLMs: using statistics to generate reasonable-sounding wrong answers from bad data.
Often the answers are pretty good. But you never know if you got a good answer or a bad answer.
And the system doesn't know either.
For me this is the major issue. A human is capable of saying "I don't know". LLMs don't seem able to.
Accurate.
No matter what question you ask them, they have an answer. Even when you point out their answer was wrong, they just have a different answer. There's no concept of not knowing the answer, because they don't know anything in the first place.
The worst for me was a fairly simple programming question. The class it used didn't exist.
"You are correct, that class was removed in OLD version. Try this updated code instead."
Gave another made up class name.
Repeated with a newer version number.
It knows what answers smell like, and the same with excuses. Unfortunately there's no way of knowing whether it's actually bullshit until you take a whiff of it yourself.
So instead of Prompt Engineer, the more accurate term should be AI Taste Tester?
From what I’ve seen you’ll need an iron stomach.
They really aren't. Go ask about something in your area of expertise. At first glance, everything will look correct and in order, but the more you read the more it turns out to be complete bullshit. It's good at getting broad strokes but the details are very often wrong.
Now imagine someone that doesn't have your expertise reading that answer. They won't recognize those details are wrong until it's too late.
That is about the experience I have. I asked it for factual information in the field I work at. It didn't gave correct answers. Or, it gave working protocols which were strange and would not be successful.
With proper framework, decent assertions are possible.
If that is done, the work on the human is very low.
That said, it's STILL imperfect, but this is leagues better than one shot question and answer
Except LLMs don't store sources.
They don't even store sentences.
It's all a stack of massive N-dimensional probability spaces roughly encoding the probabilities of certain tokens (which are mostly but not always words) appearing after groups of tokens in a certain order.
And all of that to just figure out "what's the most likely next token", an output which is then added to the input and fed into it again to get the next word and so on, producing sentences one word at a time.
Now, if you feed it as input a long, very precise sentence taken from a unique piece, maybe you're luck and it will output the correct next word, but if you already have all that you don't really need an LLM to give you the rest.
Maybe the "framework" you seek - which is quite akin to a indexer with a natural language interface - can be made with AI, but it's not something you can do with LLMs because their structure is entirely unsuited for it.
The proper framework does, with data store, indexing and access functions.
The cutting edge work is absolutely using LLMs in post-rag pipelines.
Consumer grade chat interfaces def do not do this.
Edit if you worry about topics like context window, sentence splitting or source extraction, you aren't using a best in class framework any more.
Sounds familiar. Citation please
Market shows that investors are actively turned on by products that use AI
Market shows that the market buys into hype, not value.
Market shows that hype is a cycle and the AI hype is nearing its end.
How can you tell when the cycle is ending?
When one of two things happens:
When "AI" hype dies down we are likely to see "AI" removed from various topics because enough people know and understand the hyped parent topic. It'll just be "image generation", "video generation", "generated text", etc.
Customers worry about what they can do with it, while investors and spectators and vendors worry about buzzwords. Customers determine demand.
Sadly what some of those customers want to do is to somehow improve their own business without thinking, and then they too care about buzzwords, that's how the hype comes.
There are different types of people in the market. The informed ones hate AI, and the uninformed love it. The informed ones tend to be the cornerstones of businesses, and the uninformed ones tend to be in charge.
So we have... All this. All this nonsense. All because of stupid managers.
It's the new block chain or NFT hype, they think it's magic.
But what if it actually is magic this time? Just this once!? And we miss the hype train?! (This is a sarcastic impression of real conversations I have had.)
No shit, because we all see that AI is just technospeak for “harvest all your info”.
Not to mention it's usually dog shit out put
I refuse to use Facebook anymore, but my wife and others do. Apparently the search box is now a Meta AI box, and it pisses them every time. They want the original search back.
That's another thing companies don't seem to understand. A lot of them aren't creating new products and services that use ai, but are removing the existing ones, that people use daily and enjoy, and forcing some ai alternative. Of course people are going to be pissed off!
We aren't allowed new things. That might change their perfectly balanced money making machine.
And making search worse so it can pretend to be an ex is not what I or anyone is looking for in the search box.
To be fair, I love my dog but he has the same output 🤷
But no one is investing billions into your dog's shit, are they?
He's open to investment 🤷
Yes the cost is sending all of your data to the harvest, but what price can you put on having a virtual dumbass that is frequently wrong?
Doubt the general consumer thinks that, in sure most of them are turned away because of the unreliability and how ham fisted most implementations are
+ a monthly service fee
for the price of a cup of coffee
More like "instead of making something that gets the job done, expect pur unfinished product to complain and not do whatever it's supposed to". Or just plain false advertising.
Either way, not a good look and I'm glad it's not just us lemmings who care.
LLM based AI was a fun toy when it first broke. Everyone was curious and wanted to play with it, which made it seem super popular. Now that the novelty has worn off, most people are bored and unimpressed with it. The problem is that the tech bros invested so much money in it and they are unwilling to take the loss. They are trying to force it so that they can say they didn't waste their money.
AI does a good job of generating character portraits for my TTRPG games. But, really, beyond that I haven't found a good use for it.
So far that's been the best use of AI for me too. I've also used it to help flesh out character backgrounds, and then I just go through and edit it.
They are all completely half-baked products being rolled out before they're ready because none of these billion dollar tech companies will allow a product to not immediately generate revenue.
I'm really enjoying seeing the backlash of everyone unanimously being sick of having this unfinished tech shoved down our throats.
One place where I found AI usefull is in generating search queries in JIRA. Not having to deal with their query language every time I have to change a search filter, but being able to just use the built in AI to query in natural language has already saved me like two or three minutes in total in the last two months.
It can write a bedtime story instantly for a parent about whatever a kid asks for. Or at least give them the outline of a story.
...also TTRPH, TTRPI, TTRPJ, TTRPK, TTRPL, TTRPM, TTRPN, TTRPO, TTRPP, TTRPQ, TTRPR, TTRPS, TTRPT, TTRPU, TTRPV, TTRPW, TTRPX, TTRPY and TTRPZ games.
But beyond that, no good use, no siree.
::: spoiler PS: spoiler that was WAY harder to type than I expected. :::
Even in areas where they would fit it's really annoying how some companies are trying to push it down our throats.
It's always some obnoxious UI element, screaming at me their 3 example questions, and I always sigh and think, "I have to assume you can only answer these 3 particular questions, and why would I ask those questions, and when I ask UI questions I expect precise answers so would I want to use AI for that."
I have no doubt that LLM's have more uses than I can think of, but come on...
I'm happy for studies like this. People who are trying to smear their AI all over our faces need to calm, the f..k, down.
Many of us who are old enough saw it as an advanced version of ELIZA and used it with the same level of amusement until that amusement faded (pretty quick) because it got old.
If anything, they are less impressive because tricking people into thinking a computer is actually having a conversation with them has been around for a long time.
So you want to tell me they all spent billions and made huge data centres that suck more power than small country so we can all play with it, generate some cringy smut and then toss it away?
This is kinda insane if that’s how it will play out
Not the first time this has happened. Even recently. See NFTs. Venture capitalists hear "tech buzzword" and throw money at it because if they're lucky, it's the next Google. Or at least it gets an IPO and they can cash out.
Yeah but the scale is bigger and we could be doing something worthwhile with all these finite resources it makes me a bit dizzy
We could, but they don't care about making the world a better place. They care about getting rich. And then if everything collapses, they can go to their private island or their doomsday vault or whatever and enjoy the apocalypse.
Are you like 80?
No, 47. Believe it or not, the first PCs came out when I was a young whippersnapper.
IBM 486 was my first PC as a kid. Throw in those floppys and game on DOS!
Mine was an Apple ][+.
(And yes, that's how you write it properly. I'm a pedant.)
I would have it no other way. I am the same. 😂
When I was a kid my folks bought the TI 99/4A for some ridiculous reason. It's interesting to look back at the weird hardware that never made it, like the cartridges that thing used instead of 5¼" floppies that were also out at the time. Maybe it reminded them of inserting 8 tracks.
The TI99 had an (optional) external expansion box that allowed it to use floppy disks.
I think the 99/4A also had a cassette tape drive you could buy. I don't think they ever made a floppy drive for it though.
I have 6.22 and Win3.11 running in a VM for fun.
Fuck yea man, Dr Sbaitso was the one for me. I loved that shit. It still fucks with people when I bust that out on Dosbox.
Doggdorzbaydzoh.
Oh OK cause the article you sent mentioned ELIZA being developed between 1964-67 so I had to ask.
I agree with this, my sentiments exactly as well. Getting AI pushed towards us from every direction & really never asked for it. Like to use it for certain things but go to it when needed. Don't want it in everything, at least personally.
They've overhyped the hell out of it and slapped those letters on everything including a lot of half baked ideas. Of course people are tired of it and beginning to associate ai with bad marketing.
This whole situation really does feel dotcommish. I suspect we will soon see an ai crash, then a decade or so later it will be ubiquitous but far less hyped.
Thing is, it already was ubiquitous before the AI "boom". That's why everything got an AI label added so quickly, because everything was already using machine learning! LLMs are new, but they're just one form of AI and tbh they don't do 90% of the stuff they're marketed as and most things would be better off without them.
What did they even expect, calling something "AI" when it's no more "AI" than a Perl script determining whether a picture contains more red color than green or vice versa.
Anything making some kind of determination via technical means, including MCs and control systems, has been called AI.
When people start using the abbreviation as if it were "the" AI, naturally first there'll be a hype of clueless people, and then everybody will understand that this is no different from what was before. Just lots of data and computing power to make a show.
Gartner Hype Cycle is the new Moore’s Law.
For the love of god, defund MBAs.
Fallout was right.
Fallout was so on point, only a lot of distance and humour makes it not outright painful or scary knowing the damn nukes will be popping sooner or later one just doesn’t know if tomorrow or in 80 years. The question is not if but when
Take the hint, MBAs.
They don't care. At the moment AI is cheap for them (because some other investor is paying for it). As long as they believe AI reduces their operating costs*, and as long as they're convinced every other company will follow suit, it doesn't matter if consumers like it less. Modern history is a long string of companies making things worse and selling them to us anyway because there's no alternatives. Because every competitor is doing it, too, except the ones that are prohibitively expensive.
[*] Lol, it doesn't do that either
Assuming MBAs can do math might be a mistake. I've worked on an MBA pet project that squandered millions in worker time and opportunity cost to save 30k mrc...
Eh, they understand "number go down"
and the smarter ones can even look at two or more separate numbers
I read this article that out of the 10 top Harvard MBA grads 8 of them had have gone to tank the company they were CEOs at. Or something ridiculous.
There are even companies slapping AI labels onto old tech with timers to trick people into buying it.
That one DankPods video of the "AI Rice cooker" comes to mind
For what it’s worth, rice cookers have been touting “fuzzy logic” for like 30 years. The term “AI” is pretty much the same, it just wasn’t as buzzy back then.
Yeah that's the one I saw
I can attest this is true for me. I was shopping for a new clothes washer, and was strongly considering an LG until I saw it had “AI wash”. I can see relevance for AI in some places, but washing clothes is NOT one of them. It gave me the feeling LG clothes washer division is full of shit.
Bought a SpeedQueen instead and been super happy with it. No AI bullshit anywhere in their product info.
I mean, pretty obvious if they advertise the technology instead of the capabilities it could provide.
Still waiting for that first good use case for LLMs.
It is legitimately useful for getting started with using a new programming library or tool. Documentation is not always easy to understand or easy to search, so having an LLM generate a baseline (even if it's got mistakes) or answer a few questions can save a lot of time.
So I used to think that, but I gave it a try as I’m a software dev. I personally didn’t find it that useful, as in I wouldn’t pay for it.
Usually when I want to get started, I just look up a basic guide and just copy their entire example to get started. You could do that with chatGPT too but what if it gave you wrong answers?
I also asked it more specific questions about how to do X in tool Y. Something I couldn’t quickly google. Well it didn’t give me a correct answer. Mostly because that question was rather niche.
So my conclusion was that, it may help people that don’t know how to google or are learning a very well know tool/language with lots of good docs, but for those who already know how to use the industry tools, it basically was an expensive hint machine.
In all fairness, I’ll probably use it here and there, but I wouldn’t pay for it. Also, note my example was chatGPT specific. I’ve heard some companies might use it to make their docs more searchable which imo might be the first good use case (once it happens lol).
I just recently got copilot in vscode through work. I typed a comment that said, "create a new model in sqlalchemy named assets with the columns, a, b, c, d". It couldn't know the proper data types to use, but it output everything perfectly, including using my custom defined annotations, only it was the same annotation for every column that I then had to update. As a test, that was great, but copilot also picked up a SQL query I had written in a comment to reference as I was making my models, and it also generated that entire model for me as well.
It didn't do anything that I didn't know how to do, but it saved on some typing effort. I use it mostly for its auto complete functionality and letting it suggest comments for me.
That’s awesome, and I would probably would find those tools useful.
Code generators have existed for a long time, but they are usually free. These tools actually costs a lot of money, cost way more to generate code this way than the traditional way.
So idk if it would be worth it once the venture capitalist money dries up.
That's fair. I don't know if I will ever pay my own money for it, but if my company will, I'll use it where it fits.
What are these code generators that have existed for a long time?
Lookup emmet.
I’ve also found IntelliJ’s generators useful for Java.
Neither of those seem similar to GitHub copilot other than that they can reduce keystrokes for some common tasks. The actual applicability of them seems narrow. Frequently I use GitHub copilot for “implement this function based on this doc comment I wrote” or “write docs for this class/function”. It’s the natural language component that makes the LLM approach useful.
I'm actually working on a vector DB RAG system for my own documentation. Even in its rudimentary stages, it's been very helpful for finding functions in my own code that I don't remember exactly what project I implemented it in, but have a vague idea what it did.
E.g
Huge time saver. I've had GPT doing a lot of work for me and it makes stuff like managing my Arch install smooth and easy. I don't use OpenAI stuff much though. Gemini has gotten way better, Claude 3.5 Sonnet is beastly at code stuff. I guess if you're writing extremely complex production stuff it's not going to be able to do that, but try asking most people even what an unsigned integer is. Most people will be like "what?"
Why is that relevant? Are you saying that AI makes coding more accessible? I mean that’s great, but it’s like a calculator. Sure it helps people who need simple calculations in the short term, but it might actually discourage software literacy.
I wish AI could just be a niche tool, instead it’s like a simple calculator being sold as a smartphone.
I've built a couple of useful products which leverage LLMs at one stage or another, but I don't shout about it cos I don't see LLMs as something particularly exciting or relevant to consumers, to me they're just another tool in my toolbox which I consider the efficacy of when trying to solve a particular problem. I think they are a new tool which is genuinely valuable when dealing with natural language problems. For example in my most recent product, which includes the capability to automatically create karaoke music videos, the problem for a long time preventing me from bringing that product to market was transcription quality / ability to consistently get correct and complete lyrics for any song. Now, by using state of the art transcription (which returns 90% accurate results) plus using an open weight LLM with a fine tuned prompt to correct the mistakes in that transcription, I've finally been able to create a product which produces high quality results pretty consistently. Before LLMs that would've been much harder!
Writing bad code that will hold together long enough for you to make your next career hop.
Haven't you been watching the Olympics and seen Google's ad for Gemini?
Premise: your daughter wants to write a letter to an athlete she admires. Instead of helping her as a parent, Gemini can magic-up a draft for her!
On the plus side for them, they can probably use Gemini to write their apology blog about how they missed the mark with that ad.
I think the LLM could be decent at the task of being a fairly dumb personal assistant. An LLM interface to a robot that could go get the mail or get you a cup of coffee would be nice in an "unnecessary luxury" sort of way. Of course, that would eliminate the "unpaid intern to add experience to a resume" jobs. I'm not sure if that's good or bad,l. I'm also not sure why anyone would want it, since unpaid interns are cheaper and probably more satisfying to abuse.
I can imagine an LLM being useful to simulate social interaction for people who would otherwise be completely alone. For example: elderly, childless people who have already had all their friends die or assholes that no human can stand being around.
Is that really an LLM? Cause using ML to be a part of future AGI is not new and actually was very promising and the cutting edge before chatGPT.
So like using ML for vision recognition to know a video of a dog contains a dog. Or just speech to text. I don’t think that’s what people mean these days when they say LLM. Those are more for storing data and giving you data in forms of accurate guesses when prompted.
ML has a huge future, regardless of LLMs.
Llm's are ML...or did I miss something here?
Yes. But not all Machine Learning (ML) is LLM. Machine learning refer to the general uses of neural networks while Large Language Models (LLM) refer more to the ability for an application, or a bot, to understand natural language and deduct context from it, and act accordingly.
ML in general as a much more usages than only power LLM.
Just look at AlphaProof. Lol we're all about to be outclassed. I'm sure everyone will still derrid the bots. They could be actual ASI and especially here in the US we'd say "I don't see any intelligence." I wish or society and all of us at individualsc would reflect on our limitations and tiny tiny insignificance on the grand scale. Our egos may kill us.
P.S.. I give us a 10% to make it to 2100 in any numbers or quality of life we'd consider remotely acceptable today. Pretty grim, but I think that's the weight of the challenges we're facing. Without AI I'd probably just say it was fucking hopeless. Because we've had all the time we needed and all the tech we needed and hardly ever fix anything. Always running a day late and a dollar short. This species has dreams to big for our collective britches. It's always been a foolish endeavor and full of suffering and horrors. We're here though so I hope we at least give it a good go. Would be super lame to go out in a putter and take must lifev on earth with us.
So now the question is if we can use all these access models to actually do something about our problems. Even LLMs seem quite good at pointing out how we are really bad at using the tools we already have and know exactly how to use because we're always too busy arguing while the ship sinks!
COVID tried and a lot of people paid the price for being low information and not so bright. Sadly plenty of people who did the right things still got fucked by stupidity of others!
I feel like everyone who isn't really heavily interacting or developing don't realize how much better they are than human assistants. Shit, for one it doesn't cost me $20 an hour and have to take a shit or get sick, or talk back and not do its fucking job. I do fucking think we need to say a lot of shit though so we'll know it ain't an LLM, because I don't know of an LLM that I can make output like this. I just wish most people were a little less stuck in their western oppulance. Would really help us no get blindsided.
Wrote my last application with chat gpt. Changed small stuff and got the job
Please write a full page cover letter that no human will read.
Mostly true before, now 99.99%. The charades are so silly because obviously as a worker all I care about is how much I get paid. That's it.
All the company organization will care about. Is that work gets done to their standards or above and at the absolute lowest price possible.
So my interests are diametrically opposed to their interests because my interest is to work as little as possible for as much money as possible. Their goal is to get as much work out of me as possible for as little money as possible. We could just be honest about it and stop the stupid games. I don't give a shit about my employer anymore than they give a shit about me. If I care about the work that just means I'm that much more pissed they're relying on my good will towards people who use their products and or services.
That's because businesses are using AI to weed out resumes.
Basically you beat the system by using the system. That's my plan too next time I look for work.
I actually think the idea of interpreting intent and connecting to actual actions is where this whole LLM thing will turn a small corner, at least. Apple has something like the right idea: “What was the restaurant Paul recommended last week?” “Make an album of all the photos I shot in Belize.” Etc.
But 98% of GenAI hype is bullahit so far.
How would it do that? Would LLMs not just take input as voice or text and then guess an output as text?
Wouldn’t the text output that is suppose to be commands for action, need to be correct and not a guess?
It’s the whole guessing part that makes LLMs not useful, so imo they should only be used to improve stuff we already need to guess.
One of the ways to mitigate the core issue of an LLM, which is confabulation/inaccuracy, is to have a layer of either confirmation or simply forgiveness intrinsic to the task. Use the favor test. If you asked a friend to do you a favor and perform these actions, they’d give you results that you can either/both look over yourself to confirm they’re correct enough, or you’re willing to simply live with minor errors. If that works for you, go for it. But if you’re doing something that absolutely 100% must be correct, you are entirely dependent on independently reviewing the results.
But one thing Apple is doing is training LLMs with action semantics, so you don’t have to think of its output as strictly textual. When you’re dealing with computers, the term “language” is much looser than you or I tend to understand it. You can have a “grammar” that is inclusive of the entirety of the English language but also includes commands and parameters, for example. So it will kinda speak English, but augmented with the ability to access data and perform actions within iOS as well.
LLM have greatly increased my coding speed: instead of writing everything myself I let AI write it and then only have to fix all the bugs
I’m glad. Depends on the dev. I love writing code but debugging is annoying so I would prefer to take longer writing if it means less bugs.
Please note I’m also pro code generators (like emmet).
I literally uninstalled and disabled every AI process and app in that latest galaxy AI update, which was the whole update btw. my reasons are:
1- privacy and data sharing.
2- the battery, cpu, ram of AI bloatware running in the background 247.
3- it was chaging and doing things which I didn't want especially in the galary photo albums and camera AI modes.
I was considering a new Samsung phone - is that baked into it? (Assuming you're talking Samsung anyway, based on the galaxy name)
Samsung is a nightmare, don't purchase their products.
For example: I used to have a Samsung phone. If I plugged it into the USB port on my computer Windows Explorer would not be able to see it to transfer files. My phone would tell me I need to download Samsung's drivers to transfer files. I could only get them by downloading Samsung's software. Once I installed the software Windows Explorer was able to see the device and transfer files. Once I uninstalled the software Windows Explorer couldn't see the device again.
Anything Samsung can do in your region to insert themselves between you and what you are trying to do they will do.
This is a great summary I'm going to make use of
What’s a good brand then?
The software bloat is not dissimilar to what I've heard in the past, but I'd forgotten since I haven't gone in depth researching yet. Which phones do we prefer today? Loosely off the top of my head, less bloat/intrusiveness, nice camera, battery life enough for a day, and maybe on the smaller size to fit one hand are probably what I'll be looking in to.
Apparently Pixel is the easiest to install an alternative OS on, going to start looking into that soon.
I've heard good things about Graphene OS, but also deviating from the "stock" experience might make it more difficult to do certain things... like biometrics for banking or something? Not sure myself. Will look into it too, good idea.
I've got a Ulefone, I'm quite fond of it.
Ooo I haven't heard of Ulefone before, I see some of their phones have a built in thermal camera? That sounds cool. How's the Android/software experience? I'm not familiar with the Chinese phone lines, do they have their own bloat like Samsung?
No bloatware, although mine has a "feature" called Duraspeed I need to uninstall that restricts background applications, including fitness tracking ones I actually want running, and notifies me multiple times per day about this.
Them and Doogee I really like, especially since the phones don't need to be in a case.
To give you a second opinion from the other guy, I've had quite a few Samsungs in a row at this point. From Galaxy S2 to S23Ultra skipping years between every purchase.
They are effectively the premium vendor of Android, at least for western audiences. The midrange has some good ones, but other companies do well there too. At the high end, Samsung might lose out a bit to google on images of people, but the phones Samsung sell are well built, have a long support life, have lots of features that usually end up being imported to AOSP and/or Google's own version of Android. The last few generations are the Apple of Android. The AI features they've added can be run on device if you want, and idk what the other guy is talking about, but the AI features aren't that obnoxiously pushed on my device, the S23 Ultra. I have some things on, most things off. Then again, I've used HTC for a few years and iPhone for two weeks, so except for helping my dad with his Pixel 6a while that device lasted, I've not really tried other brands. The added customization on Samsung is kind of a problem for me, because I don't feel like changing brands after being able to customize so much out of the box.
And I've never had issues connecting to a simple Windows computer, given that the phone has always been able to use the normal Plug-and-play driver that is there already. If you have a macbook like I do, it's a bit cringe, but that's a macbook issue moreso.
And here I thought I was being critical of them.
You are right of course, Samsung is very much like Apple. And if you don't care about a company trying to lock you into their software, inserting themselves in between everything you're trying to do, and denying you control over your own device, then I'm sure it works just fine.
You are framing the issue to read the way you want it to be read. The customization and software options I am currently using, I have been able to make 90% of it work with a rooted phone and a combination of many open source tools and more. Now I get 100 % without theming breaking randomly, bluetooth being stable, not having to reset the phone every time I update to a new version, and more random issues I had with banking apps and others. I have control over my device stop dooming lmaooo. People use devices that fit their needs.
When I was using Windows I was able to get it to work 90% the way I wanted it to with a combination of open source tools, and help online disabling the bullshit. The point is I shouldn't have to put that much effort fighting my OS to get it working the way I want it to.
With a Samsung phone maybe I can avoid their bullshit by rooting the phone and finding open source software, but I'd rather just go with a different company and not have the hassle.
"This company has shit business practices, you should use someone else" is not 'dooming'.
Yes, and I'm pointing out why Samsung might not fit their needs in case they are unaware.
I'll second this experience. Pricing aside (and even then, because of their new recycling policy, I was able to replace an old galaxy nearly the size of a tablet with a new flip-- that has VERY surprisingly become my favorite phone I've ever owned-- for like a hundred bucks), I've never had complaints about my Samsung phone and wearables that weren't general to all smartphones. And the easy integrations between my watch, phone, and earbuds, all Samsung, is really great.
Care to share how you disabled every bit of AI in the phone?
Yee. No root required, neither recommended for samsung devices. In short just enable developer mode from phone settings, then debug it with adb platform to uninstall and disable any system app, and can also change lines, colors, phone behaviors, properties and look, install and uninstall apps which you could not before...and so many things.
Do you have to do this every time you update your phone?
No off course. Once and all the OS and security and all updates all work fine
Did it help with battery life? My S24U has not been getting the greatest battery life lately and I wonder if this is why.
I don't know about the AI stuff specifically. Check your battery usage to see which process is doing that. but yes debloating in general makes your phone battery longer, and with the help of few more tricks also faster. There are thousands of no-root-required debloating tutorials online.
I've learned to hate companies that replaced their support staff with AI. I don't mind if it supplements easy stuff, that should take like 15 seconds, but when I have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get to the one lone bastard stuck running the support desk on their own, I start to wonder why I give them any money at all.
"AI" is certainly a turn-off for me, I would ask a salesman "do you have one that doesn't have that?" and I will now enumerate why:
LLMs are wrongness machines. They do have an almost miraculous ability to string words together to form coherent sentences but when they have no basis at all in truth it's nothing but an extremely elaborate and expensive party trick. I don't want actual services like web searches replaced with elaborate party tricks.
In a lot of cases it's being used as a buzzword to mean basically anything computer controlled or networked. Last time I looked up they were using the word "smart" to mean that. A clothes dryer that can sense the humidity of the exhaust air to know when the clothes are dry isn't any more "AI" than my 90's microwave that can sense the puff of steam from a bag of popcorn. This is the kind of outright dishonest marketing I'd like to see fail so spectacularly that people in the advertising business go missing over it.
I already avoided "smart" appliances and will avoid "AI" appliances for the same reasons: The "smart" functionality doesn't actually run locally, it has to connect to a server out on the internet to work, which means that while that server is still up and offering support to my device, I have a hole in my firewall. And then they'll stop support ten minutes after the warranty expires and the device will no longer work. For many of these devices there's no reason the "smart" functionality couldn't run locally on some embedded ARM chip or talk to some application running on a PC that I own inside my firewall, other than "then we don't get your data."
AI is apparently consuming more electricity than air conditioning. In fact, I'm not convinced that power consumption isn't the selling point they're pushing at board meetings. "It'll keep our friends in the pollution industry in business."
Every company that has been trying to push their shiny, new AI feature (which definitely isn't part of a rush to try and capitalize on the prevalence of AI), my instant response is: "Yeah, no, I'm finding a way to turn this shit off."
In other news, AI bros convince CEOs and investors that polls saying people don't like AI are out of touch with reality and those people actually want more AI, as proven by an AI that only outputs what those same AI bros want.
Just waiting for that to pop up in the news some time soon.
That's literally the sales response to this. "People don't really know what they want until we sell it to them"
It's pretty fucking gross.
"If I asked people what they want, they would say, better AI"
MBA tech bro: "so ... that means what they really want is the same shitty AI, right?"
My brother in the fediverse, ceos and investors are the AI bros
Be me
Early adopter of LLMs ever since a random tryout of Replika blew my mind and I set out to figure what the hell was generating its responses
Learn to fine-tune GPT-2 models and have a blast running 30+ subreddit parody bots on r/SubSimGPT2Interactive, including some that generate weird surreal imagery from post titles using VQGAN+CLIP
Have nagging concerns about the industry that produced these toys, start following Timnit Gebru
Begin to sense that something is going wrong when DALLE-2 comes out, clearly targeted at eliminating creative jobs in the bland corporate illustration market. Later, become more disturbed by Stable Diffusion making this, and many much worse things, possible, at massive scale
Try to do something about it by developing one of the first "AI Art" detection tools, intended for use by moderators of subreddits where such content is unwelcome. Get all of my accounts banned from Reddit immediately thereafter
Am dismayed by the viral release of ChatGPT, essentially the same thing as DALLE-2 but text
Grudgingly attempt to see what the fuss is about and install Github Copilot in VSCode. Waste hours of my time debugging code suggestions that turn out to be wrong in subtle, hard-to-spot ways. Switch to using Bing Copilot for "how-to" questions because at least it cites sources and lets me click through to the StackExchange post where the human provided the explanation I need. Admit the thing can be moderately useful and not just a fun dadaist shitposting machine. Have major FOMO about never capitalizing on my early adopter status in any money-making way
Get pissed off by Microsoft's plans to shove Copilot into every nook and cranny of Windows and Office; casually turn on the Opympics and get bombarded by ads for Gemini and whatever the fuck it is Meta is selling
Start looking for an alternative to Edge despite it being the best-performing web browser by many metrics, as well as despite my history with "AI" and OK-ish experience with Copilot. Horrified to find that Mozilla and Brave are doing the exact same thing
Install Vivaldi, then realize that the Internet it provides access to is dead and enshittified anyway
Daydream about never touching a computer again despite my livelihood depending on it
I've found ChatGPT somewhat useful, but not amazingly so. The thing about ChatGPT is, I understand what the tool is, and our interactions are well defined. When I get a bullshit answer, I have the context to realize it's not working for me in this case and to go look elsewhere. When AI is built in to products in ways that you don't clearly understand what parts are AI and how your interactions are fed to it; that's absolutely and incurably horrible. You just have to reject the whole application; there is no other reasonable choice.
Also just listening and reading what people say. We don't want fucking AI anything. We understand what it might do. We don't want it.
You're mad that someone investigates and elaborates on causes of why using llm marketing bullshit is a bad idea? Weird.
Citation please?
I have just read the features of iOS 18.1 Apple intelligence so called.
TLDR: typing and sending messages for you mostly like one click reply to email. Or… shifting text tone 🙄
So that confirms my fears that in the future bots will communicate with each other instead of us. Which is madness. I want to talk to a real human and not a bot that translates what the human wanted to say approximately around 75% accuracy devoid of any authenticity
If I see someone’s unfiltered written word I can infer their emotions, feelings what kind of state they are in etc. Cold bot to bot speech would truly fuck up society in unpredictable ways undermining fundaments of communication.
Especially if you notice that most communication, even familial already happens online nowadays. So kids will learn to just ‘hey siri tell my mom I am sorry and I will improve myself’.
Mom: ‘hey siri summarize message’
In your own words, tell me why you're calling today.
My medication is in the wrong dosage.
You need to refill your medication is that right?
No, my medication is in the wrong dosage, it's supposed to be tens and it came as 20s.
You need to change the pharmacy where you're picking up your medication?
I need to speak to a human please.
I understand that you want to speak to an agent, is that right?
Yes.
Chorus, 5x. (Please give me your group number, or dial it in at the keypad. For this letter press that number for that letter press this number. No I'm driving, just connect me with an agent so I can verify over the phone)
I'm sorry, I can't verify your identity please collect all your paperwork and try calling again. Click
Why ever would we be mad?
This is because the AI of today is a shit sandwich that we’re being told is peanut butter and jelly.
For those who like to party: All the current “AI” technologies use statistics to approximate semantics. They can’t just be semantic, because we don’t know how meaning works or what gives rise to it. So the public is put off because they have an intuitive sense of the ruse.
As long as the mechanics of meaning remain a mystery, “AI” will be parlor tricks.
And I don’t mean to denigrate data science. It is important and powerful. And real machine intelligence may one day emerge from it (or data science may one day point the way). But data science just isn’t AI.
I find the tech interesting, but the rush to commercialize it was a bad idea. It’s not ready yet, total uncanny valley.
I wonder if we'll start seeing these tech investor pump n' dump patterns faster collectively, given how many has happened in such a short amount of time already.
Crypto, Internet of Things, Self Driving Cars, NFTs, now AI.
It feels like the futurism sheen has started to waver. When everything's a major revolution inserted into every product, then isn't, it gets exhausting.
This is very much not a hype and is very widely used. It's not just smart bulbs and toasters. It's burglar/fire alarms, HVAC monitoring, commercial building automation, access control, traffic infrastructure (cameras, signal lights), ATMs, emergency alerting (like how a 911 center dispatches a fire station, there are systems that can be connected to a jurisdiction's network as a secondary path to traditional radio tones) and anything else not a computer or cell phone connected to the Internet. Now even some cars are part of the IoT realm. You are completely surrounded by IoT without even realizing it.
Huh, didn't know that! I mainly mentioned it for the fact that it was crammed into products that didn't need it, like fridges and toasters where it's usually seen as superfluous, much like AI.
I mean give the thing an USB interface so I can use an app to set timing presets instead of whatever UX nightmare it'd otherwise be and I'm in, nowadays it's probably cheaper to throw in a MOSFET and tiny chip than it is to use a bimetallic strip, much fewer and less fickle parts and when you already have the capability to be programmable, why not use it. Connecting it to an actual network? Get out of here.
Bagels are a whole different set of data than bread. New bread toasts much more slowly than old bread.
don’t forget Big Data
I think that the dot com bubble is the closest, honestly. There can be some kind of useful products (mostly dealing with how we interact with a system, not actually trying to use AI to magically solve a problem; it is shit at that), but the hype is way too large
Yeah it's just investment profit chasing from larger and larger bank accounts.
I'm waiting for one of these bubble pops to do lasting damage but with the amount of protections for specifically them and that money that can't be afforded to be "lost" means it's just everyone else that has to eat dirt.
TimeSquirrel made a good point about Internet of Things, but Crypto and Self Driving Cars are still booming too.
IMHO it's a marketing problem. They're major evolutions taking root over decades. I think AI will gradually become as useful as lasers.
Maybe I'd be more interested in AI if there was any I with the A. At the moment, there's no more intelligence to these things than there is in a parrot with brain damage, or a human child. Language Models can mimic speech but are unable to formulate any original thoughts. Until they can, they aren't AI and I won't be the slightest bit interested beyond trying to break them into being slightly dirty (and therefore slightly funny).
This is because AI is usually used to reduce the human cost to the company, and rarely to reduce the human labour for the customer.
That, or mass surveillance.
Lets see if this finally kills the AI hype. Big tech is pushing for AI because it is the ultimate spyware, nothing more.
AI has some pretty good uses.
But in the majority of junk on the market it is nothing but marketing bloatware.
Okay but have you considered shoving AI down the throats of consumers and forcing them to use it? I say invest in more gigantic server farms!
The irony is companies are being forced to implement it. Like our board has told us we must have "AI in our product.". It's literally a solution looking for a problem that doesn't exist.
Adobe Acrobat has added AI to their program and I hate it so much. Every other time I try to load a PDF it crashes. Wish I could convince my boss to use a different PDF reader.
Adobe sucks but they have sucked their whole existence. No AI needed.
I have no qualms about AI being used in products. But when you have to tell me that something is "powered by AI" as if that's your main selling point, then you do not have a good product. Tell me what it does, not how it does it.
Developer: Am I out of touch?
No, it's the consumers who are wrong.
If I could have the equivalent of a smart speaker that ran the AI model locally and could interface with other files on the system. I would be interested in buying that.
But I don't need AI in everything in the same way that I don't need Bluetooth in everything. Sometimes a kettle is just a kettle. It is bad enough we're putting screens on fridges.
Unsurprisingly. I have use for LLMs and find them helpful, but even I don't see why should we have the copilot button on new keyboards and mice, as well as on the LinkedIn's post input form.
There are certainly great uses for LLMs. 99% of the time it is useless though.
And workers...
She looks so done with it. It is amazing how tone deaf and incapabale of detecting emotions the higher ups must have been to OK that image. Not blaming any one lower to approve this, they are probably all fed up too and were happy to use this.
Plus, it's way too cold at her vast and empty warehouse hot desk, because she's wearing at least two sweaters. Please let this lady have a cubicle of her own with a little space heater.
They'd usually use a paid actor for this, so it makes me wonder, did they just force a regular employee to pose for this
Is that a real copilot ad?
This is the link I had I believe, but it's not loading for me now. Either it will work for you, or they pulled it. https://www.instagram.com/microsoft365/p/C7j8ipnxIiI/?img_index=1 (comments were brutal IIRC)
Related article about it: https://futurism.com/microsoft-brags-ai-attend-three-meetings
The post is still there.
I just can’t see anyone contributing anything meaningful to a meeting when they’re split across three different conversations. If that’s the case for this hypothetical employee, she’s part of the problem.
I think the whole idea is that the AI handles two of those meetings for her (somehow) But yes, I try to put myself in the mind of someone who is enthused to finally be able to "attend" three meetings at once, and I just can't. I have a good job that I mostly enjoy, and am usually enthusiastic about my work. No fucking way.
The only people who could want this are the 1% (and wanna-be 1%), and they want it so the rest of us can attend three meetings at once to increase their wealth even faster.
It's people who brag about how hard they work and how many hours they work when other people say they hate their jobs.
And those people make me laugh. Oh really? You worked 80 hours last week? I "worked" 40, which meant about 4 hours of actual work a day, clocked out at 5 on the dot every day and spent time with my family.
I'm never contributing anything meaningful to the meetings I am continuously added to, so it would be nice to have an AI stand in. I could do the goddamn job I originally applied for instead of scrums, special project scrums, and meta scrums.
I mean, that’s exactly the advantage of slack over meetings but that doesn’t tickle middle management fancy as much.
Yep. Give me time and I'll dig up the link.
Hi, I'm annoying and want to be helpful. Am I helpful? If I repeat the same options again when you've told me I'm not helpful, will that be helpful? I won't remember this conversation once it's ended.
Hi, which option have you told me you already don't want would you like?
Sorry, I didn't quite catch that, please rage again.
Hey now, LLMs are AI!
... So is the code that makes those ghosts in s super mario approach you when you look away and cower when you look at them.
At least Shy Guys are cute.
Average CEO
AlphaProof isn't an LLM but it just was a point from gold against some of the smartest people on earth. You think you're smarter than the people building this stuff? That might be the dumbest shit about this. I swear the United States essentially really has become Ideocracy. From all angles. Capitalism sucks but AI isn't the problem. Bunch of greedy apes is the fucking problem like it always has been. Lol
So you know if you have clean water and food though, you could be considered a very greedy ape. Why are you not fighting harder for clean water etc? What do you do to make the world better? (Shit probably same as me. Jack shit)
For me, if a company fails to make a clear cut case about why a product of theirs needs AI, I'm gonna assume they just want to misuse AI to cheaply deliver a mediocre product instead of putting in the necessary cost of manhours.
I like my AI compartmentalized, I got a bookmark for chatGPT for when i want to ask a question, and then close it. I don't need a different flavor of the same thing everywhere.
See https://lucas-mcgregor.medium.com/no-one-wants-to-talk-to-your-chatbot-9d8bb1a70266
It's really simple: There are a number of use cases where generative AI is a legitimate boon. But there are countless more use cases where AI is unnecessary and provides nothing but bloat, maybe novelty at best.
Generative AI is neither the harbinger or doom, nor the savior of humanity. It's a tool. Just a tool. We're just caught in this weird moment where people are acting like it's an all-encompassing multipurpose tool right now instead of understanding it as the limited use specific tool it actually is.
Ai is not even truly ai right now, there's no intelligence, it's a statistical model made by training billions of stolen data to spit out the most similar thing to fit the prompt. It can get really creepy because it's very convincing but on closer inspection it has jarring mistakes that trigger uncanny valley shit. Hallucinations is giving it too much credit, maybe when we get AGI in a decade that'll fitting.
I don't know anyone who is actively looking for products that have "AI".
It's like companies drank their own Kool aid and think because they want AI, so do the consumers. I have no need for AI. My parents don't even understand what it is. I can't imagine Gen Z gives a hoot.
AI in consumer devices at this point stands for data harvesting, wonky functionality and questionable usefulness. No wonder nobody wants that crap.
Absolutely, I was pretty upset when Google added Gemini to their Messages app, then excited when the button (that you can't remove) was removed! Now I've updated Messages again and they brought the button back. Why would you ever need an LLM in a texting app?
Edit: and also Snapchat, Instagram, and any other social media app they're shoveling an AI chat bot into for no reason
Edit 2: AND GOOGLE TELLING ME "Try out Gemini!" EVERY TIME I USE GOOGLE ASSISTANT ON MY PHONE!!!!!
I get AI has its uses but I don’t need my mouse to have any thing AI related (looking at you Logitech).
They just don't get it. Once everyone will use AI toilet and AI toothbrush they will sing a different tune.
I love skibidAI toilet
I definitely need a toilet that remember and analyze my shit. Yes.
They will try to sell it to you as a way to detect any possible health issues early. But it will just be used to analyze you food patterns to shove mcdonalds ads
too bad I already eat mcdonalds all days
Not sure what happened to it, but this was a thing already in 2005.
For some reason I imagine a toilet that automates a stool test and blood test and gives you a health report every month.
If the toilet is receiving a blood sample I have bad news for your monthly health report.
A stool test sure, but I'm not going to trust a toilet to use a sterile needle to draw blood.
I've been applying similar thinking to my job search. When I see AI listed in a job description, I immediately put the company into one of 3 categories:
A company in the first two categories would need to pay a lot to entice me and I would not value their equity offering. The third category is understandable, especially if the success of AI would threaten their business.
It's because consumers aren't the dumbasses these companies think they are and we all know that the AI being shoved into everything fucking sucks worse than the systems we had before "AI."
I barely trust organics. Some CEO being rock hard about his newest repertoire of buzzword doesn’t help.
Think of the savings if you replace the CEO with an AI!
I'm actively turned off because they suck up my data to use it.
I love the idea of local only AI and would use those products, and do play with local LLM/Image products.
I really fucking hated the android update where holding the power button summons Gemini before actually giving you the shut down menu.
AI is garbage.
AI is just an excuse to lay off your employees for an objectively less reliable computer program, which somehow statistically beats us in logic.
I've used LLMs a lot over the post couple years. Pro tip. Use it a lot and learn the models. Then they look much more intelligent as you the user becomes better. Obviously if you prompt "Write me a shell script to calculate the meaning of life, make my coffee, and scratch my nuts before 9AM" it will be a grave disappointment.
If you first design a ball fondling/scratching robot, use multiple instances of LLMs to help you plan it out, etc. then you may be impressed.
I think one of the biggest problems is that most people interacting with llms forget they are running on computers and that they are digital and not like us. You can't make assumptions like you can with humans. Usually even when you do that with us you just get stuff you didn't want because you weren't clear enough. We are horrible at instructions and this is something I hope AI will help us learn how to do better. Because ultimately bad instructions or incomplete information doesn't lead to being able to determine anything real. Computers are logic machines. If you tell a computer to go ride a bike at best it'll go out and do all the work to embody itself in a robot and buy a bike and ride it. Wait, you don't even know it did it though because you never specified for it to record the ride....
A very few of us are pretty good at giving computers clear instructions some of the time. Also though, I have found just forcing models to reason in context is powerful. You have to know to tell it to "use a drill down tree style approach to problem solving. Use reflection and discussion to explore and find the optimal solution to reasoning through the problem." Might still give you bad results. That is why you have to experiment. It is a lot of fun if you really just let your thoughts run wild. It takes a lot of creative thinking right now to really get the most out of these models. They should all be 110% open source and free for all. BTW Gemini 1.5 and Claude and Llama 3.1 are all great, nd Llama you can run locally or on a rented GPU VM. OpenAI I'm on the fence about but given who all is involved over there I wouldn't say I would trust them. Especially since they want to do a regulatory capture.
Asking the chat models to have self-disccusion and use/simulate metacognition really seems to help. Play around with it. Often times I am deep in a chat and I learn from its mistakes, it kinda learns from my mistakes and feedback. It is all about working with and not against. Because at this time LLMs are just feed forward neural networks trained on supercomputer clusters. We really don't even know what they are capable of fully because it is so hard to quantify, especially when you don't really know what exactly has been learned.
Q-learning in language is also an interesting methodology I've been playing with. With an imagine generator for example though, you can just add (Q-learning quality) and you may get more interesting and quality results. Which itself is very interesting to me.
Yet companies are manipulating survey results to justify the FOMO jump to AI bandwagon. I don't know where companies get the info that people want AI (looking at you Proton).
Cuz everyone knows it's BS, or mostly BS with extra data mining
For the first time in years I thought about buying a new phone. The S23 Ultra, the previous versions had been improving significantly but the price was a factor. Then I got a promotion and figured I would splurge, the S24 Ultra, but it was all aout AI so I just stayed where I am...it does everything anyway.
Which phone do you have now?
Work A54, prior to the job I had Xperias.
Yeah and that is largely fueled by two things; poor/forced use of AI, and anti-AI media sentiment (which is in turn fueled by reactionary/emotional narratives that keep hitting headlines, commonly full of ignorance)
AI can still provide actual value right now and can still improve. No it's not the end-all but it doesn't have to solve humanity's problems to be worth using.
This unfortunate situation is largely a result of the rush to market because that's the world we live in these days. Nobody gives a fuck about completing a product they only care about completing it first, fuck quality that can come later. As a sr software engineer myself I see it all too often in the companies I've worked for. AI was heralded as christ's second coming that will magically do all of this stuff while still in relative infancy, ensuring that an immature product was rushed out the door and applied to everything possible. That's how we got here, and my first statement is where we are now.
Listen up you kids, this old fart saw this same crap in the 70s when LCDs became common and LCD clocks became the norm. They felt that EVERYTHING needed to have an LCD clock stuck in it, lamps, radios, blocks of cheese, etc. A similar thing happened in the internet boom/bust in the late 90s where everyone needed a website, even gas stations. Now AI is the media and business darling so they are trying to stick AI in everything, partly to justify pissing away so much money on it. I can't even do a simple search on FB because it wants to force me to use the damn meta AI instead.
I occasionally use chat gpt to find info on error code handling and coding snippets but I feel like I'm in some sort of "can you phrase it exactly right?" contest. Anything with even the slightest vagueness to it returns useless garbage.
Cue Nicholas Cage face
YA DON'T SAY!!!
I keep thinking about how Google has implemented it. It sums up my broader feelings pretty well. They jammed this half-baked "AI" product into the very fucking top of their search results. I can't not see it there - its huge and takes up most of my phone's screen after the search, but I always have to scroll down past it because it is wrong, like, pretty often, or misses important details. Even if it sounds right, because I've had it be wrong before I have to just check the other links anyway. All it has succeed at doing in practice is make me scroll down further before I get to my results (not unlike their ads, I might add). Like, if that's "AI" it's no fucking wonder people avoid it.
I'll use it more when its has a proven reliable use.
To be honest, I lost all interest in the new AMD CPUs because they fucking named the thing "AI" (with zero real-world application).
I'm in the market for a new PC next month and I'm gonna get the 7800X3D for my VR gaming needs.
AI is a neat toy... but that's all it is. It's horrible at almost every real-world application it's been forced into, and that's before you wander into the whole shifting minefield of ethical concerns or consider how wildly untrustworthy they are.
I was at the optometrist recently and saw a poser for some lenses (transitions) that somehow had "AI"....I was like WTF how / why / do you need to carry a small supercomputer around with you as well.
To me AI helps me bang out small functions and classes for personal projects and act as a Google alternative for mundane stuff.
Other than that any product that uses it is no different than a digital assistant asking chat gpt to do things. Or at least that seems like the perception from a consumer level.
Besides it's bad enough I probably use a homes energy trying to make failing programming demos much less ordering pizza from my watch or whatever.
Who would have guessed so?
I hate the feeling that they are continuing to dump real humans who can communicate and respond to issues outside of the rigid framework when it comes to support. AI is also only as good as its data and design. It feels like someone built a self driving car, stuck it on a freshly paved and painted highway and decided it was good to go. Then you take it on an old rural road and end up hitting a tree.
We're seeing a bunch of promises made when LLM were the novel hot shit. Now that we've plateaued on how useful they are to the average consumer every AI product is just a beta test that will drop support as soon as something newer and shinier comes along.
Who knew that new technologies that are great for businesses' bottom lines wouldn't also be great for consumer satisfaction.
Say it ain't so.
More like people know when it's just being used as a buzzword and are smart to avoid when that's (often) the case
d u h
No shit Sherlock
Well, maybe if they weren't using AI as a hypeword and just called it adaptive or GPT.
I think there is potential for using AI as a knowledge base. If it saves me hours of having to scour the internet for answers on how to do certain things, I could see a lot of value in that.
The problem is that generative AI can't determine fact from fiction, even though it has enough information to do so. For instance, I'll ask Chat GPT how to do something and it will very confidently spit out a wrong answer 9/10 times. If I tell it that that approach didn't work, it will respond with "Sorry about that. You can't do [x] with [y] because [z] reasons." The reasons are often correct but ChatGPT isn't "intelligent" enough to ascertain that an approach will fail based on data that it already has before suggesting it.
It will then proceed to suggest a variation of the same failed approach several more times. Every once in a while it will eventually pivot towards a workable suggestion.
So basically, this generation of AI is just Cliff Clavin from Cheers. Able to to sting together coherent sentences of mostly bullshit.
Cliffy didn't hallucinate as much.
I don't see any mention of any details about the study participants but I wouldn't expect the general public to have this attitude.
Even if AI was absolutely impeccable it will always feel better to use products that involve real human beings.
Glad to hear I'm not the only one!
It seems more like a niche thing that's useful for generating rough drafts or lists of ideas, but the results are hardly useable on their own and still require additional work to finesse them. In alot of ways, it reminds me of my days working on a production line with welding robots. Supposedly these robots could do hundreds/thousands of parts without making a mistake... BUT that was never the case and people always needed to double-check the robot's work (different tech, not "AI", just programmed movements, but similar-ish idea). By default, I just don't trust really anything branded as "AI", it still requires a human to look over what it's done, it's just doing a monotonous task and doing it faster than a person could, but you still can't trust what it gives you.
So AMD's "AI"-supporting CPUs are bound to flop now?
I've sold actual zero trust, actual AI, actual DevX, etc.. I'm so tired of "yeah, everyone else just throws a label on, why the fuck do I need AI in my bank app? We have the REAL blah blah blah"
My fridge has AI
The less technologically literate shout "AI is theft!"
Conspiracy theorists whisper of "government surveils" and "brain hacking chips"...
As a result, those who don't understand new technology become fearful of it.
In itself, "AI" is a total buzzword.
Who cares about consumers inject more venture capital funds pls.