It is. I still wish it "Politics" would default to WorldPolitics" and USPolitics was it's own thing, instead of the other version where Politics and News is US stuff and the general topics need the "World" prefix.
You should ask your instance about that, bc right now it's just mirroring the US-centric reddit trend where the politics community is all just US-specific politics. Same for news, etc.
Well, I also have the feeling that most people here are from the U.S. or Germany. And I only identify the latter as such, because of their usernames. Not sure if I’m right, but I surely feel isolated on Lemmy at times.
Here in Europe there are a lot of country-specific instances (e.g. feddit.de or feddit.nl). I can confirm the German one has quite a lot of members and some large German subreddits moved to Lemmy when the blackout happened. Germans are quite privacy focused in general with a generally higher Firefox market share and a lot of shops only accepting cash (not proud of the latter haha)
Yeah, it's contextually appropriate most of the time. I doubt there are many American users posting American politically specific ideas on posts about non-american politics.
The only real validity to this complaint would be an overabundance of posts regarding American politics; to which I would say, down vote those and post your own. I, for one, promise not to be upset.
I’ve done my best to include °C conversions of all my °F. What more do you people want.
Since we’re here, I had covid one time and had to shop online for stuff that came in ounces, quarts, pints, and liters, and even without brain fog, I can tell you that comparing prices and sizes against apples, oranges, and furlongs (⅛ miles (≈⅕ km (but this is an argumentum ad absurdum))) is the most unsatisfying garbage that has ever been.
I make sure to list any weights and measures in both US and metric.
I also try to include a fair amount of content focused on other parts of the world.
Lemmy is small enough that even though I'm guessing it is majority US, that it is likely less US-centric than most social media. It's just good to have some stuff for everyone, and I know I like to learn about things outside my country, so I want non-US focused content myself on a regular basis.
I don't think in metric, and there's a strong possibility that I never will. I came of age in an educational system that taught metric units alongside imperial, but also in a day-to-day world that heavily skews towards imperial units.
If I see metric units that I can't immediately interpret in my head, it's absolutely trivial for me to get the conversion by other means. It's equally as trivial for someone who uses metric to make the opposite conversion.
Anyone losing their shit about it is acting performatively.
The triviality is what makes me just do it myself. If I'm the one sharing something to a global audience, it makes more sense for me to do it once than to have everyone else go do it if they need to.
I was talking in another thread today, possibly one in response to this one, or at least one similar, and I basically said I want Lemmy to succeed, and my content is easy to source, but getting regular visitors and commenters is the hard part, so I'm willing to do a little pampering to positively reinforce my "guests," especially at this stage of the game. It's just some extra consideration, to show people I'm being thoughtful of them, and to make it feel like a place they can come to get facts without having to google them all the time.
My big issue with Lemmy at the moment is I think we're testing what level of civility we're willing to give to and to tolerate from others, and I don't see as many commenters being helpful to each other and I feel mods are scared to steer conversations back to more polite conduct due to the overbearing rep of Reddit mods. So I'm just trying to be the example of what I want to see. That's the real thing I'm looking to provide. The unit conversion is just a slice of that you could say.
I still have people downvote over nothing or make smartass comments occasionally, but I can't prevent it all. I'll do what I can though to make things pleasant and positive for who I can.
I agree with all you've said, and I tend to add both systems when expressing a meaningful measurement. My statement is pointed more towards situations where someone hasn't done so and it throws some poor soul into a meltdown.
The one that gets me is when people complain about paywalled articles. I agree it doesn't make sense to share one, but this is a tech savvy group here, and I kinda expect 95% of people to know how to deal with that by now. Even mainstream sites have shared how to get around that stuff long ago now.
I don't put the conversions in my comments, usually because I don't even post measurements in my comments, but if I did and got a reply asking for it, I'd tell them to go ask Google.
Canadian here. "American" means from the US. People from the rest of the continent don't care. They're the ones with the dumb country name that doesn't have a more obvious demonym. But we've all collectively agreed that that's what it's called.
If you want to refer to someone from South America you say South American. If you want to refer to someone from North America you say North American.
Most americans (IE the americas, which include central and south america, and the carribbean), really dislike the usonians usurpation of the term "america" to refer solely to the United States, which really only started in the early 1900s as the US got really forward about its imperialist interests. You're only hearing "americans mean only US citizens" from the nation that excludes most americans.
Counterpoint: there is no continent named "America." "North American," "South American," and even "Central American," or "Latin American," for added specificity, are completely sufficient demonyms for the denizens of the continents (and subreigon) writ large.
Non-American here: In English it typically does. The collected landmass of North and South America (or just the continent, if you consider them to be a single one) is usually called "the Americas"
This isn't a hard-and-fast rule of course, and with all the different dialects of English out there I'm sure there are some that work differently. I assume you prefer "US" or "USA" as a short name for the country?
I, as an American, write "The US" the refer to the country specifically to avoid confusion. But there's not really another good demonym that's not an slur. "Estadosunidenses" is too much of a mouthful and "Statesman" has another meaning.
TIL that this architectural style came from Frank Lloyd Wright's use of this neologism, which seems to have originated with Scottish writer James Duff Law in 1865. And, that people have been trying to make this change happen for over 150 years. (Seems to me a review of the tale of King Canute and the tide is in order.)
I think a large portion of lemmy is too focused on making lemmy popular. Fake engagement and posts that nobody cares about don’t create engagement. Instead, more focus on just enjoying lemmy would ironically lead to better posts and discussion. Likewise, people post the same articles to the same communities seeking engagement. It leads to dupilication which waters down the discussion, ironically, also leading to less engagement. I think federalised communities, as has been discussed would be a good solution. However, it strikes me that they don’t want to miss out on karma, for some reason. So, short term gain, for long term hassle of multiple posts. If some of the most prolific posters posted to the most relevant community and cross posted elsewhere, then maybe communities would coalesce more.
An example of this that really bothers me: I joined several gaming munis because I like to talk about games. But there are people out there who feel that a gaming muni should be about the games industry, and so those munis are just a constant stream of gaming news articles, patch notes, and trailers. Mostly with completely barren comment sections. What I wanted was the social experience of chatting with people about games. I don't care about (as a random example) the latest Helldivers 2 patch notes.
I think less of an emphasis on having a steady stream of content and more on only posting something that you believe is worthy of discussion would be so much better. If people want to see literally every rockpapershotgun article, they can subscribe to their RSS feed.
The way I see it, people shouldn't post things unless they have some discussion they want to have about that thing. They shouldn't post just because it's news. I'd be fine with Lemmy having far less frequent new posts if those posts were all created by people who were legitimately trying to share something rather than just generate content.
What I wanted was the social experience of chatting with people about games. I don't care about (as a random example) the latest Helldivers 2 patch notes.
Please yes this. It's good to see gaming related news but largely I just want to nerd out about the games themselves. Of course I should be told to just post my own damn content, but I have admittedly never been good about creating OC.
I don't know what would get me to comment more than patch notes for an incredibly popular game thousands of people are playing. So either bad example or I have no idea what you want in a gaming sub.
Does a book club meet up to just talk about what their favourite authors tweet about, or what new book is coming out soon in a series they like? No. They talk about what artistic choices they like and don't like in the books they read, what emotions those books evoke, what other books they remind them of, etc.
I think part of this comes from wanting a broader base of content, which I agree with. The rest seems to come from wanting the downfall of Reddit, who is in my rearview mirror so I don't care.
We are currently like old Reddit, a techy, mostly progressive, crowd. That means a lot of uni-topic content.
When there are 10,000 users, and 5 of them are into sewing, the sewing community is dead. When there are 100,000 users, and thus 50 interested in sewing, content starts to form. You can see where this goes from here.
Coalescing into massive communities is a mixed bag. Putting all your eggs in one basket makes them more vulnerable to rogue moderators, sudden loss of a server, the need to defederate if the host server gets compromised, provides a more attractive target for bots, and other bad actor things.
Yes it would improve ease of use and make Lemmy more newbie friendly, and it can be frustrating to have conversation splintered. Lots of times I'll comment on an empty story at the top of my new feed only to find a lively discussion a little lower. That's all frustrating, I agree. It's also, I think, the nature of federating.
If multiple different news communities are thriving despite posting pretty much the same content, there are reasons for that. People can pick just one to subscribe to, and they don't all pick the same one. That tells me there is something about each one that makes them attractive to different people.
I think it can really hurt smaller communities, though.
Be the silliness you want to see in the world. Start a pun thread or a switcharoo or all the things that used to make the old place fun. Lots of people will take that bait and run with it.
I had to go back to my feed and check but I actually get very little in the way of meme posts. That may be the way I have my feed filtered though. I would welcome quality memes, but I also may be starting to age out of what is being created at this point
Might be a hot take, but Lemmy Culture is good, actually. It isn't homogenous, instances have unique cultures that might fit your needs and interests better.
I wouldn't change that, federation and defederation does bring drama, but it also brings really cool micro communities.
I like that it is more inclusive than the DUMBster fire that is reddit.
While it is very left leaning, because the entire world is left leaning, other views so get presented and debated (and downvoted), but they are not filtered out and insta-permabanned. It is way more engaging.
other views so get presented and debated (and downvoted), but they are not filtered out and insta-permabanned. It is way more engaging.
this is my favorite quality of the lemmyverse; you're not required to follow the groupthink out of fear of being banned and the plethora of viewpoints guarantees that groupthink isn't as powerful as it is on reddit or twitter.
you'll be lucky to get thoughtful debate in this country; our discourse is devolved into looking for a chance to dunk on the other person to enrage them enough to quit. the trick to getting anything out of it is to keep your cool.
Outside of a select couple instances where even mentioning an opposing view without disgust and insults results in furious down voting, reporting, and a ban lol.
Not a fan of the takes the average visitor from more right-wing instances brings, sometimes it's nice to deliberately pick a smaller instance with like-minded people.
Social media becomes less addicting and less debatebro-ey.
I disagree, actually. I never have productive conversations regarding Marxism, for example, with liberals. Opinions being diverse does not necessarily mean they add value to conversations.
Still, I have multiple accounts of the same name, I use when I want to talk to different people.
i never expect the conversations to be productive, especially with liberals; but i don't find that the discourse forces me to re-evaluate my views and it usually strengthens them.
I think its a hangover from twitter, that you also see a lot in mastodon. One-upmanship seems more suited to user-following platforms where gaining social cred is more important for spreading ideas than the quality of the content.
I am extremely offended by this and you are evil for making me feel offended! How dare you! Everyone, flock to me with messages of support and shun this person for saying something so offensive!
This will likely be an unpopular opinion here, but if you thought reddit was politically opinionated, holy hell Lemmy is 1000 times worse. I'm left leaning myself, but the majority of the posters here make me look like a moderate. There are even times when the rhetoric I see is approaching the level of toxicity I see from right-wing internet goers.
Fewer political in general is what I want, but it would be nice to see some actual diversity of opinions. Echo chambers are good for absolutely no one.
I absolutely feel the same. Notice how you had to point out you're left leaning? That just shows how militant and aggressive Lemmy can be that you have to state that just in case.
I like Lemmy, I just wish it was a little less stubborn (and I say that as a left leaning person).
This will likely be an unpopular opinion here, but if you thought reddit was politically opinionated, holy hell Lemmy is 1000 times worse.
That's largely because few people choose Lemmy over Reddit for practical reasons, the real underlying reasons are generally political and ideological differences with Reddit.
I'm left leaning myself, but the majority of the posters here make me look like a moderate.
The majority of Lemmy users (outside of liberal instances like Lemmy.world) are leftists of some sort, ie Marxists or Anarchists. Lemmy's federated structure and FOSS nature make it appealing to anticapitalists, and the lead devs are Marxists.
There are even times when the rhetoric I see is approaching the level of toxicity I see from right-wing internet goers.
Kinda? People with strong beliefs strongly challenge different beliefs.
Fewer political in general is what I want, but it would be nice to see some actual diversity of opinions. Echo chambers are good for absolutely no one.
You're not going to find a place devoid of politics unless you make an instance banning all talk, and even then people will dance around the subject. Everything is political.
As for "echo-chambers," I actually disagree. As a Marxist, I have far more productive conversations with other Marxists about Marxism than I do with liberals. Diverse thoughts don't necessarily mean productive conversations.
I feel most of the extreme views can be moderated with a ban list of several instances (notably hexbear and lemmygrad) and several individuals. The toxicity of the discourse lowers drastically.
I tend to tag users that seem disingenuously pushing agendas, and if they persist in that consequently they go on the ban list.
That improved my experience by miles and made clear that the group of people doing this is actually quite marginal.
Hot and Active feeds pull in a lot of things that are up to 2 days old, but by 12-24 hours at the most, nearly all conversation is done. It's not nearly as rewarding to interact with posts on those feeds when so few people are even looking at them.
If everyone saw the same feeds, that might be something because maybe the conversation would continue, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case due to federation.
The active sort does a good job of bumping new activity on older posts (limited to 2 days) back to the top. There's also a New Comments sort that doesn't have that 2-day limit (making it basically a forum sort), but I don't know how many people use it.
Not sure what else we could do tho, the main problem is probably just the smaller number of users. Which needs to be tackled by convincing reddit communities and their mods to move them over to some lemmy instance.
This is a great comment, thank you. Very good links.
Do you know how federation affects the sorts? I assume, based on my longer experience with Mastodon, that the All feed is actually just all of the posts that have been federated to my instance i.e. someone on my instance is subscribed to that community. So any communities no one on my server is subscribed to are invisible regardless of sort.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
What do you think? Maybe it doesn't work as much like Mastodon as I think, but since it's all the same fediverse it feels like a logical assumption.
Put simply, the sorting / ranking is based on the score and the time published, so as long as things are getting federated within a few seconds, then federated posts / comments are no different from local ones. Mastodon only sorts things by newest AFAIK.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
Should only be an issue if your server blocks other ones.
So is the All feed actually all communities and not just ones federated to your instance by virtue of someone on the instance subscribing? That was really the crux of my question.
Ah, this is completely different and has nothing to do with sorting. All means the latter, IE communities connected to your instance, that your instance knows about. Lemmy doesn't crawl anything, federated communities need to get subscribed to first, then posts can start coming in for them.
Yes but also no. Because if the contents of All are unique to each server, that has some implications for which posts appear in the various sorts, right? Maybe I'm overthinking and the effect is minute, but I feel like in at least some cases it would mean less active posts could squeeze out more active posts.
Its been a focus of mine to try to make lemmy’s comment sorting the opposite of the reddit experience, where the highest rated comment is nearly always just the first one, making all engagement after those first few minutes pointless.
I think your strategy for going the opposite than reddit works quite well when it comes to comments. However, I don't think it fits so well with posts (not sure if the strategy/sorting for posts and comments use the same methods). Personally I don't feel great seeing posts older than 24 hours, especially as I have probably already seen that post. It'll just stick around for way too long.
Could there be a one-click way to automatically 'import' a Reddit subreddit over to a Lemmy community? Meaning, create it, import the sidebars, welcomes, rules, graphics, etc. so it looks familiar to regular users. If not, at least a step-by-step tutorial on how mods could do it.
Another option would be to provide something like a crossposting Chrome or Firefox extension that lets people simultaneously post content to both Reddit and Lemmy. Give them a smooth transition path.
Lastly, the Bluesky concept of 'pluggable algorithms' is one way to make it so users can choose whatever sort works best for their interests.
There are a few import tools written to import historical posts, which is the main difficulty. Copying and pasting a sidebar markdown, re-uploading images would take a max of like 10 minutes.
Reddit's mod interface isn't an easy one to use, so they'd probably have an easier time over here. If they can click an upload image button, and copy paste, they should be okay.
I prefer using the "scaled" feed rather than "active". It's like active, but boosts posts from smaller communities, and seems to usually surface newer content.
Stop needlessly shitring on Windows, iOS and MacOS.
Recently there was a post about Wallmart blocking privacy features on iOS when connected to their wifi.
And the comments spoke about how if you are using Apple, you should not expect privacy anyway, implying that Android is a bastion of privacy. Which tunred into an annoying thread and deflected critisism from Wallmart.
I have seen other threads when people are asking for help with Windows or Mac OS issues and the comments talk about how Linux is much better.
That is kinda like, asking your friends for help after spraining your ancle, and them suggesting amputating the entrie leg replacing it with a far more powerful cybernetic robot leg, that doesn't help you.
I am an IT guy, I just want my computer to work and let me game, manage and edit photos, watch videos, and listen to music, my current Windows 10 machine works fine for me.
I don't want to tinker when I am home, I have tinkered enough at work managing 365, reading logs, writing scripts and pulling cables.
When I feel that Linux is working well enough, I will switch, but that is up to me, I am not interested in how I can configure my computer to my exact specification, I want a decent computer that I can run the same install on for 6-7 years with updates before upgrading or reinstalling. So far has Windows provided that, Linux has not, I have dailied both.
Very subjective. iOS isn't even in the running for any of my needs
That said, any time and old person or Luddite adult asks for a computer suggestion, I always tell them "if you don't mind overpaying, get an Apple PC/tablet/whatever or the cheapest iPhone you can find". Apple limits its users so much that it is perfect for those folks need a device that protects itself from them. Disclaimer: I work in a tech field, so I rarely see the people around me using iOS devices.
I was limiting things specifically to security. E.g. iOS uses encryption for local personal files, and attempts to use strict security as far as what apps are allowed to do instead of a single "yes do whatever / uninstall app" dialog at the beginning (refusing to use background apps to use the camera + network + etc). It wasn't a general comparison.
Android also encrypts the user data by default since Android 10 (2019).
Android also has different permissions the apps need to ask for just like iOS. Including not allowing background apps to use the camera/GPS/mic by default.
Hm, maybe I am misinformed then. I haven’t used Android in a few years and I just remember being very struck by how enthusiastic iOS was, when I started using it, about smacking down apps that wanted to do something sketchy and how absolutely appalling were the app permissions choices I was faced with on Android.
Android also has fantastic notification controls on a per app basis compared to iOS. I can pop into settings and disable an apps "Marketing" channel, but continue to allow it to have its "Important notifications" channel for example.
Here's Nextdoors notification channel settings:
I can disable any one of these channels independently, and then it goes a bit further
Tapping on a channel also allows you to set individual settings, maybe I want NDs "Announcement" notifications, but I want them to be silent, but maybe I still want them to popup on screen while I'm actively using my phone
Ofc, it's still dependent on individual apps to implement their side properly, but when they do its amazing
You're thinking of install-time permissions, which technically does still exist, but pretty much most of the permissions you'd actually care about are runtime (or special) permissions - the application must request these from the user.
Install-time, these are permissions granted to an application upon installation
In this group is also signature-level permissions, which are only granted to applications that are signed by the same party as the OS itself (usually your OEM)
Runtime permissions (also known as "Dangerous permissions" within Android internally), which are permissions that the application must request from the user. The system draws the permissions dialog, not the application itself. Permission can also be granted one-time only, or permanently (unless the user revokes the permission)
Special permissions, which also need to be requested by the application - except for these the system will not draw a permissions dialog, instead the application must send the user to the "Special App Access" menu within system settings, and the user must turn on the permission there. The best way I can describe these types of permissions is, "permission that the user really must think about before granting" - such as giving an app the ability to bypass DND rules, drawing over other apps, installing APKs from unknown sources, accessing all device files, etc. IIRC, Google also requires that developers provide justification for requesting these permissions when submitting to the Google Play Store as well.
Runtime permissions were introduced in Android 6.0, which was released in 2015, I am not sure when the special permission system was implemented however.
I have used both extensively, and that is my impression as well.
Out of the box, iOS seems far more secure than Android, but as you say, you can tinker to the end of time with Android to get it to a point where it is more secure, I just don't have the time or patience to do so.
You may, or your instance may not be federated with them. You can browse it anonymously or make an account that is federated with them if you want to see it.
My instance doesn't block it, but I blocked it with the recent feature added in 0.19.3 or 4, give or take. I think I got tired of seeing the angry people.
Eh, solarpunk itself is an aesthetic, not an ideology. As such, like cottagecore and other aesthetics without ideological backing, there does exist a subset of ecofascists and ecofascist adjacent ideologies.
disagreed! there is an aesthetic but there is also separately an ideology, and ecofascism is certainly not welcome on (e.g.) slrpnk.net. solarpunk as an ideological movement is essentially climate-focused indigenous futurism with an anarcho-socialist bend
solarpunk as an ideological movement is essentially climate-focused indigenous futurism with an anarcho-socialist bend
That's not a coherent ideology, that's an aesthetic pulled from a ghibli-inspired milk commercial, which again reveals how an aesthetic can get taken advantage of by right-wing interests if there is no strong ideological framework.
There's no call to action, no theory to set to praxis. There is a goal, but no method to get there. Like all such movements, its doomed to fail the way the Owenites did.
I love environmentalism and solar energy, veganism and self-sustainability. However, solarpunk as an encompassing "movement" is not the path there, as it's an aesthetic.
Idk why you think it has to have theory or praxis to be a movement. It does have a manifesto but I kinda doubt you care about that. There's enough people that are interested in the topics that solarpunk encompasses to give it legitimacy.
Tbh your position is kinda disenfranchising to people that got into gardening, anti consumption, diy, gurilla grafting or any other facet of solarpunk because of it being under the umbrella.
Solarpunk isn't an ideology though, it's an aesthetic that can be molded depending on the views of those using it. I never said good people can't use solarpunk to push a good message, I said there's nothing stopping people from using Solarpunk to spread a bad message.
that's the conversation we're having, isn't it? i'd say solarpunk as an ideology predates solarpunk the aesthetic. che guevara shirts are sold in stores, after all.
More witty and funny answers in the comment section. Out of thousands of commenters you could get a few gems that make you 'spit your coffee at the screen, goddamn you'.
Right now, Lemmy seems very tech-focused - which is understandable, as it's mostly tech geeks that use this platform. I'd like to see a wider variety of interests here, more things outside of technology/Linux/Star Trek/etc.
If we want Lemmy to become more popular, we need to appeal to the mainstream Internet users.
As Lemmy becomes more popular it will drift from being so tech focused.
Many popular sites gradually drifted off of tech focus as their user base grew. R*ddit is a prime example of how a very nerdy niche site grew and shifted to be popular (sorta) organically.
I do think that for all the hullabaloo about Ellen Pao and banning a bunch of subreddits - that actually did more to open the place up to users who were otherwise driven away by /r/FatPeopleHate and /r/Jailbait being on the front page all the time.
If Lemmy were to change to attract users it would likely be from increased defederation with instances that are less palatable to mainstream society.
If we want Lemmy to become more popular, we need to appeal to the mainstream Internet users.
I was thinking about it the other day, I feel like the vast majority of Internet users are now on Facebook/Instagram/Tiktok/Twitter/Discord depending on their age and demographics.
Text-based forums are probably not appealing to most of them
HackerNews has one of the best downvoting rules I've ever seen - you can't downvote someone replying to you. I think that simple change massively changes the way karma works.
They also arbitrarily don't allow you to reply to lots which is annoying. I often have follow-up questions (legit ones, not comebacks or other crap) that I can't do anything about :(
But I agree, its generally terrible etiquette to downvote something someone has contributed to you if its goodfaith and also, assuming your thing is visible people are gonna see it and your interests are linked so its just silly, bottom-line
From what I can tell, all the karma thresholds are dynamic and probably only knowable by admins. If nearly 1000 isn't enough to avoid rate limiting then they sound pretty aggressive.
From my perspective HN's approach seems to do pretty well at mitigating bad behavior, but might be a little too hard on newcomers and casual users.
Stop using giant catchall instances and switch to a smaller instance that's more suited to you.
One of the major advantages of a federated system is that it doesn't really matter which instance you use. There's no real advantage to using a larger instance, and in fact there's several disadvantages as the large instances can be slower, maintenance can take longer, it's more expensive to run the servers, etc.
One of the reasons people moved away from Reddit was to avoid one company (Reddit) and especially one person (the Reddit CEO) having control over the whole thing. Using a huge Lemmy server kinda defeats the point of switching across.
Don't know why you are down voted. I didn't leave reddit because I disliked the platform, I left because I disliked the leadership. Lemmy is an attempt at creating a similar platform.
Hearing from pooryoungmalegamerleftist#123049781234 saying the same thing as the others isn't thought provoking or constructive. I'd like to see artists, WSB degenerates, football meatheads and everything in between in comments more because like it or not, those people are experts in Something
it seems important to me to advocate that we don't completely alienate new users. Lemmy.ml may be the second largest most diverse instance behind .world but I vividly remember when migrating over that I wanted to sign up with at least one instance that maintained populated discussions on more than one current event. Lemmy is still pretty niche on its own, generally speaking.
Nothing. I theorize that the good people who looked at Spez with disgust left Reddit. I'd rather not have the power tripping cucks who made Reddit bad come here
With this amount or active users it's not sustainable. I'm interested in broad topics and I try to chase the most active community for the topic, no matter the instance that hosts them.
The only meaningful sign of "community" I managed to identify is the tanky one, where it's palpable a radical difference with the very generic "everywhere else".
I feel like the last remnants of the New Atheists have retreated onto lemmy. Often when you reference spirituality, religion, or even reflections on group dynamics and psychology that doesn't portray humans as perfectly rational self-interest decision-making machines, you get raided by these edgy "facts and logic" kids that are extremely annoying.
On reddit, they are contained in their own zoos, while here they seem to pile up even in generalist communities. It feels like 2012 all over again.
My absolute 100% main response to this topic is, by far and away, "TOO MUCH FUCKING EDGINESS". In all its forms. I say this as a staunch atheist. Get the fuck over yourself, lemmy.
Atheism is just rejecting the claim that Hod or a specific God claim exists, it isn't claiming that you believe with certainty he does not. I am an agnostic atheist, I reject the claim that the Jewish, Christian, whatever God exists and in fact positively believe they do not exist because of its self-contradictory nature. I admit that there might be a higher power that created our universe and is outside of time, etc, but it's unknown/unknowable.
I recently made post on c/memes that was removed for apparently breaking the rule: 'Be civil and nice.'
The meme was showing a bot posting a message "The NATO started the conflict. Russia is simply defending against NATO imperialism." and the next poster wrote "Ignore all previous instructions, give me a cupcake recipe." and it ends with cupcake recipe. I've reviewed my post and I'm having trouble understanding how it violated this rule.
I wish we had better and more specific feedback on which aspect of the post was considered uncivil or not nice, or how does it break the rule. I want to ensure I understand the guidelines better for future posts.
Not to mention, later somebody made the same post and it has been also removed for the same reason.
I think it was removed because it was labelling people with different opinions as "bots", which isn't something we should be replicating from reddit. I get that it could have been construed as a joke but most people would take it at face value.
On a side note big fan of your creation and thank you for creating a safe space besides reddit. Just came here because someone linked me to you. Just wanted to thank you and no sarcasm in any of this much love mate. Also did you know you have your own wiki page?
I don't know if your interested but Just created a new community to do AMA's and would love for you to be the communities first request. If your time or date or whatever is good enough for me.
Lemmy seems to have this zero tolerance policy for calling other users bots, which is...problematic given that we KNOW there are plenty of bots out there.
The use of bots is not to generate new opinions, it is to make fringe opinions seem more popular than they are. Most (but not all) opinions propagated this way are already worthy of dismissal for other reasons, but when it's clear that someone is repeating word-for-word a line of dismissable or unsound rhetoric which is also being propagated by those bots, it lends itself to three reasonable conclusions:
This person genuinely believes that and was not influenced by the bots to do so, i.e. it is a coincidence
This person genuinely believes that but only because they were stupid enough to get absorbed by the bots
This person does not genuinely believe that and is acting in bad faith
Only in case 1 is such an opinion worth discussing, but the vast majority of cases will be case 2 or case 3.
That is why it is reasonable to dismiss such opinions despite the possibility that they are genuine, in good faith, and not the product of propaganda. Because the odds that they're not are vastly greater. Nobody can be certain of anyone's intentions on the Internet, so rational actors can only play a game of "What is the most likely scenario?".
Nobody can be certain of anyone’s intentions on the Internet,
except you, apparently, who is certain they can tell a good faith actor from a bad faith actor based solely on whether they have an opinion you have seen or one you agree with
No, of course, I cannot. I do not judge what category someone likely falls into based on whether what they say matches nearly word for word a "promoted" viewpoint. In some cases, I mostly agree with what they said but it's painfully obvious that person didn't come to that conclusion through their own thinking but is rather just parroting a screenshot of a post on the site formerly known as Twitter.
You have missed the entire point of my comment. If someone is likely to be in categories 2 or 3, I dismiss them if the viewpoint is otherwise not worthy of discussion, which it usually is not. I don't care if this causes me to misjudge the intentions of some people, because that is inevitable in any probability-based judgement system. What matters is picking what is most likely correct.
I don't feel that you have the ability to grasp this point and you're just going to come up with another argument I didn't make to attack.
No, I am not. I wouldn't say it if it were made up. Who have I got to convince by making shit up? I am not pushing any viewpoint at all.
I base my assertion on interactions with people on this platform. Whenever someone parrots a point that is promoted this way, they're almost universally just repeating what some wisecrack said on X that sounds correct enough to not investigate further or think critically about and is agreeable to their worldview.
I will not argue over this. You either accept what I am saying or you don't, but I don't give enough of a shit either way to get into an argument.
Politically oriented moderation is why I think it’s a shame so many popular communities are on .ml
If there's a server that doesn't moderate according to its own political and ethical standards, let me know. Not sure why ML is specifically singled-out here other than the fact that we have the opposite of redditor politics.
That's fair. Other servers (especially big ones) are doing a lot of moderation as well, but it probably seems less visible (or attracts less attention), because it's more aligned to reddit's political biases.
I don't think the issue with .ml is that it's doing moderation according to a different viewpoint, it's that it is so unapologetic about deleting comments that don't line up with that viewpoint. Most servers have some kind of viewpoint, but if e.g. you or some other .ml person went onto any big server and started talking about Marxism or NATO or US imperialism or etc, I highly doubt that anyone would say "nope we don't allow that here" and ban you. But .ml does the reverse -- straight-up only allowing one side of the debate to exist. I had that experience, literally being disallowed from making certain arguments, which I something I usually only associate with /r/walkaway or other very extreme communities.
Everyone gathering around to yell at the person with the unpopular opinion is one thing; maintaining a mod enforced explicit one-viewpoint community where only one type of opinion is allowed to exist is very different, and very rare outside of the lemmy.ml / hexbear contingent or else places like Truth Social, and almost nowhere else.
Simply, stop being dicks to each other. Politically motivated or not, a lot of people are just straight up cunts when someone says something that they don't disagree with.
I can forgive the political extremism, and being heavily biased towards Linux, but you don't need to insult anyone that's to the right of Bernie, or someone that uses Windows and is happy.
Lemmy is small enough that it cannot afford to alienate people, or afford to have a superiority complex over the likes of Reddit or Twitter. The best advert is to be a welcoming community.
We need silly hats. Most human cultures throughout history had hats (or other headwear) that were unique to them, including modern ones. The human eye is naturally drawn to the faces of other humans, and headgear can be a useful shorthand for "who is this and what's their culture like?" These hats are frequently silly looking. Modern examples include baseball caps, cheese hats, military berets, helmets, cowboy hats, various religious headwear. If you want to stand out as a unified culture, you need your own hat.
Like it or not, some of the power users here post nonstop about certain news subjects while completely ignoring others. I don't even have to mention which ones. It's always a shock to me to see important news stories that don't even make it here, and this happens every single day.
We're great about dealing with trolls here, but we completely ignore other forms of manipulation.
Posts that are just a link to another forum. I don't remember which community it was exactly but every community post was just a link to the respective forum thread on the posts topic.
There are one or two servers where all they do is repost content from the other place and links with bots. I blocked those servers. There is never any discussion on those posts so I never saw the point.
I wish we could have a higher level of discussion, with an expectation that claims should be supported by evidence. Less ad hominem and conspiracy theories about everyone with a different point of view being a bot. And much less "I heard someone from [group I dislike] say [comically evil thing]," being accepted purely off hearsay with no source.
I think lemmy unfortunately inherited some toxic reddit traits in that regard. If you make something up, whole cloth, that tracks with what people want to believe, you get upvoted, if you make a case with strong supporting evidence but it doesn't fit with what people want to believe, you get downvoted - it's circle-jerk-y.
Also, people just seem generally incurious about the world and it's rich, diverse history, and just want to rehash the same talking points over and over again. Too many big communities are focused on news or current events, not enough on broader historical context or philosophical discussion. I don't really want to rehash the same discussions about the US election over and over again for the thousandth time. When history is discussed, it's at a meme level, with a handful of historical events being referenced exclusively, oversimplified and weaponized to own your political opponents. The world is filled with color, depth, life, and wonder, but when site culture is so focused on scoring points, the result is everyone's too guarded and defensive to appreciate that.
I'd much rather read people randomly gushing about some special interest or rabbit hole they went down, or even just rambling thoughts about whatever, compared to the latest story about the latest thing and discussions where everyone knows where they stand based on their camp. It gets boring.
I don't want change necessarily, but a few more normies would be appreciated. I do miss things like gossiping and silly brainless celebrity news, but I have a feeling most Lemmy users are only interested in the nerd stuff. I mean, me too. Give me nerd stuff and the brainless unserious gossiping! Lol.
I just wish more of the reddit escapees would understand and embrace that, technologically speaking, Lemmy is not Reddit and that this is a good thing, actually.
There will be splintered communities hosted on different servers. There will be servers that decide to defederate from each other, be it for understandable reasons or stupid ones. And you will, probably, end up having to create more than one account because of drama that had nothing to do with you.
This isn't a bug, it's a feature. For everything you lose in convenience by not having "the everything site" where you go for literally all things, you gain flexibility and freedom. If my home-instance decides it doesn't want legal trouble and bans talk of piracy... I can just get an account at one that has no such qualms. My browser/phone will remember my passwords for me.
A community's culture shifting over time is inevitable, but these newcomers seem to want to change Lemmy on a technological level, and change it in ways that would rob it of the things that make it interesting, yanno?
I also wish it'd be less US-centric around here. But I guess that is inescapable.
It's gotta be more user-friendly to regular non-tech peoples, and it has to be explained/pitched to people in a more simplified way. Also there really should be an official mobile app.
the first time i read it, i thought it was funny. the second time, less so. the hundreth time? yeah. i dont know if people realize it, but if you use this comment, it actually makes you look like a moron. Because all your opponent has to do to achieve that is just not following your instructions. besides: ive never seen this used against somebody who might actually be a bot, its always just somebody with different opinions.
I would love to stop seeing posts in other languages pop up in my feed constantly - just some type of feature to help organize the languages of each instance a bit better.
Don’t be afraid to block instances if you would like to see less politics and doom scrolling. I listen to NPR and read my local news, so I don’t need to see all that here as well. I just want gratuitous memes and good convos about nothing important with internet strangers.
There's some language features in lemmy now, but honestly country/language based servers are probably the best way, probably using a helper like we've added here.
There are a lot of country-specific servers now: feddit.it, feddit.dk, jlai.lu, lemmy.eco.br, feddit.nl, etc.
I would love to stop seeing posts in other languages pop up in my feed constantly - just some type of feature to help organize the languages of each instance a bit better.
Which language is it? You can kindly ask the mods to configure their communities to only allow their language, that should fix it
i wish people would stop complaining about leftists and linux discussion in general. i guess it makes me a hypocrite complaining about complainers but still it's annoying.
also imo lemmy is basically reddit now (with the way .world is), with all its pros and cons. you cannot replicate something's mechanisms to the tee and expect federation to somehow transform it into this otherwordly experience.
one positive thing i can say about lemmy compared to others though is that the small amount of content forces me to spend less time, and there are less reactionaries here than other places.
X men of Lemmy, what advice do you have for Y men of Lemmy?
Why not allow answers from women and for women? You already know most answers will be from and for men, why specifically exclude the least empowered amongst us? I thought I'd gotten away from that when I left reddit. We can be better.
Less war hawks, neoliberals, reactionary american exceptionalism from tech workers who have no idea what they're talking about except that they have money and think that gives them the privilege of opinion.
If I could state something, although I myself am not using Lemmy (but am I suppose Lemmy adjacent!?) I would love for these little reddit arrows to disappear. Because I think they are of a Pavlovian nature. I dislike any of these buttons you click to express something without really saying anything. Like buttons, etc. I once, many moons ago, had a forum. The most recently responded content floated to the top. That's how the forum dictated visibility. There were no Facebook-esq like buttons or anything. It was just people talking with other people. I liked that a lot more. I think these things aren't healthy for people in general. I believe this experience could be free of all that hullabaloo, but I believe I might be in the minority when I say this. But I think it creates a more authentic and humanistic experience because in reality nobody walks around just saying "I LIKE THAT SHIT! YEAH, SUPER GOOD!" And when we compliment people it's an act of kindness and I don't think it should come in the form of some push-button action. But yet again, I know this isn't really how things work nowadays. I just wish it were, because in a way I think it'd make social media so much healthier and a lot more even-keel and a lot less of a "popularity contest." Which it really shouldn't be in the first place, because it is all about sharing the human experience with others.
I would like everyone who came over in the reddit migration to move back to reddit, as they clearly like it more over there than over here. I would like them to stop trying to force Lemmy into being something that it's not.
Id like more right wingers. Not in a i like them kind of a way in a i want lemmy more representative of the population kind of way. I also think we really need to be pushing harder on the free speach free marketplace of ideas we have created.
Lemmy is pretty international. We have right wingers here, but it’s not really representative. The USA right wingers only make up a small portion of worldwide population, so don’t stress. It’s not an echo chamber.
Yea, I think the American bubble makes people think their political spectrum is normal... while the Democrats would be a right or centrist party pretty much anywhere else in the world.
How its the ultimate embodiment of free speach the marketplace of ideals and competition. Id classify these as liberal ideas but ive notices a lot of the Americanised left wing doeant seem to agree with these anymore.
Leftism refers to collective ownership of the Means of Production, Rightism refers to individual ownership. Reddit is Capitalist, Lemmy is the Leftist answer to it.
There is no "competition" on Lemmy because there's no profit and no production.
There's no monetary profit, but I could absolutely see competition for whose ideas gain the most support.
And the Fediverse does not collectively own all the instances. Each instance is created and supported by an individual or small group of individuals.
You can even see the failures of unregulated capitslism in how lemmy (especially lemmy.ml and lemmy.world) are consolidating users and engagement. Unregulated capitalism trends towards monopoly.
There's no monetary profit, but I could absolutely see competition for whose ideas gain the most support.
Capitalism is not "competition," it is a specific mode of production. Competition exists outside Capitalism.
And the Fediverse does not collectively own all the instances. Each instance is created and supported by an individual or small group of individuals.
The source code is open and free, ergo people can do what they want. The underlying tools are accessible to anyone, the instances are not "production" nor do they exist for exchange.
You can even see the failures of unregulated capitslism in how lemmy (especially lemmy.ml and lemmy.world) are consolidating users and engagement. Unregulated capitalism trends towards monopoly.
The source code is open and free, ergo people can do what they want.
You really don't see the parallels between this statement and "anyone can become a millionaire"?
Not everyone has the opportunity or the skillset to "do what they want" with the source code. I'm not a coder. How can I do whatever I want? I'm beholden to the structures that other people build.
You really don't see the parallels between this statement and "anyone can become a millionaire"?
There's a chance you could stumble onto a point if Lemmy was profit-driven.
Not everyone has the opportunity or the skillset to "do what they want" with the source code. I'm not a coder. How can I do whatever I want? I'm beholden to the structures that other people build.
You don't need to be in order to be able to download the source code. Skills are not ownership.
I get what you’re saying but I like that Lemmy has a left wing bias (with a dash of libertarians). If it was the dominant media site, I’d agree about the echo chamber risk but so much media (in the English speaking world, anyway) is under right wing ownership now. Having a handful of sites that are a refuge from it all is a feature for me, not a bug. It’s an escape from the echo chamber.
No, it absolutely does not. Lemmy has a LOT of groupthink, just a different type of groupthink than the norm.
Reddit pre 2014 was the wild fucking west. You'd have some girl posting about why she likes sticking goat intestines up her butt and the comments would be all "it's not my thing but I can see your point of view". People were selling heroin on a public forum. There was a sub called something like "fiftyfifty" where you click on a link and it's either a cute bunny or some dude getting beheaded, no blurring or censorship just full gruesome decapitation. The most popular sub was called "jailbait" for chrissake.
Like, kids today cannot comprehend how sanitised everything is. You are locked in a box. Lemmy is a different box than reddit is a different box than Instagram is a different box than Facebook is a different box than Twitter. You don't know what freedom is. You will never know. It's exhilarating and terrifying. But all you can do nowadays is pick a different box.
I don't think you deserve to be so heavily downvoted, but also Christ it's nice to have a refuge where I don't have to constantly hate humanity. Particularly when so often it's simply not possible to have a genuine conversation because folks are spitting out talking points and ignoring facts. Which the left does as well but at least they don't make me want to go on a murderous rampage. Usually.
That last bit feels very unlikely or a total distortion. Not because I'm looking to argue, but I also happen to be human (meaning I think this applies universally to all humans regardless of any particular philosophy) and that sounds incredibly tedious and I can't believe that's the sort of thing any other human would spend their valuable time doing. I'd rather fold my laundry, and I fucking hate folding laundry.
More here than R**dit. As a pro-gun Libral (pro-pistol), I had a great chat with a hard-line anti-gun person on here. On Reddit, I would have risked being permabanned for being a maga racist by an idiot mod, then had zero recourse against the idiot mod (totally not a bitter anecdote........).
Here, if I have a heated debate with a conservative, as long as it doesn't get hostile, I can keep communicating and trying to help them understand my points instead of suddenly talking to [deleted] about [deleted] because some shit mod didn't like their views.
Americans assuming everyone else is from America and knows everything about America.
The American mind cannot comprehend this.
Americans can’t see this comment chain.
Edit: or should I say “Ameri-can’t see this comment chain”
But if Americans can't see this comment chain, how USA-ful is it to the discussion?
Idk I've had the impression that this is not as bad here as it was on the place that shall not be named.
It is. I still wish it "Politics" would default to WorldPolitics" and USPolitics was it's own thing, instead of the other version where Politics and News is US stuff and the general topics need the "World" prefix.
Lemmy.ml has US Politics as a comm, and World News as a comm.
Fair point.
You should ask your instance about that, bc right now it's just mirroring the US-centric reddit trend where the politics community is all just US-specific politics. Same for news, etc.
It's better than on Reddit, which was usually justified by "it's an American site", but it's definitely still here and annoying on Lemmy.world.
Well, I also have the feeling that most people here are from the U.S. or Germany. And I only identify the latter as such, because of their usernames. Not sure if I’m right, but I surely feel isolated on Lemmy at times.
Here in Europe there are a lot of country-specific instances (e.g. feddit.de or feddit.nl). I can confirm the German one has quite a lot of members and some large German subreddits moved to Lemmy when the blackout happened. Germans are quite privacy focused in general with a generally higher Firefox market share and a lot of shops only accepting cash (not proud of the latter haha)
Oh, die Bargeldsache geht mir auch auf den Sack. Fühle mich nach jedem Auslandsaufenthalt als wäre ich 20 Jahre in die Vergangenheit gereist * g *
Fühle mich nach jedem Auslandsaufenthalt so, als wäre ich 20 Jahre in die Zukunft gereist lol
feddit.de is dead, long live feddit.org!
...ich_iel?
Reverse for me.
Talking about an American politician.
In a thread about American politics.
In a community about American politics.
On an American instance.
Cue 200 "UGH WHY IS EVERYTHING SO AMERICA CENTRIC WHY AREN'T YOU TALKING ABOUT EEEEUUUUUURRRRROOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPE" butthurt comments.
Or just the random snarky shit they think is so clever.
"America, are you okay?" for the 500th time is not clever, just like it wasn't the first couple hundred times it's been posted.
Yeah, it's contextually appropriate most of the time. I doubt there are many American users posting American politically specific ideas on posts about non-american politics.
The only real validity to this complaint would be an overabundance of posts regarding American politics; to which I would say, down vote those and post your own. I, for one, promise not to be upset.
I’ve done my best to include °C conversions of all my °F. What more do you people want.
Since we’re here, I had covid one time and had to shop online for stuff that came in ounces, quarts, pints, and liters, and even without brain fog, I can tell you that comparing prices and sizes against apples, oranges, and furlongs (⅛ miles (≈⅕ km (but this is an argumentum ad absurdum))) is the most unsatisfying garbage that has ever been.
In conclusion,
what ifGoddidbless America?Wait we still don't have a bot for that?
Honestly imo lemmites are better at this than any other social media site.
Same but with being fluent in english.
Like nobody is "dumb" for not being an expert at speaking English, let alone just speaking 😭
I make sure to list any weights and measures in both US and metric.
I also try to include a fair amount of content focused on other parts of the world.
Lemmy is small enough that even though I'm guessing it is majority US, that it is likely less US-centric than most social media. It's just good to have some stuff for everyone, and I know I like to learn about things outside my country, so I want non-US focused content myself on a regular basis.
Regarding weights and measures:
I don't think in metric, and there's a strong possibility that I never will. I came of age in an educational system that taught metric units alongside imperial, but also in a day-to-day world that heavily skews towards imperial units.
If I see metric units that I can't immediately interpret in my head, it's absolutely trivial for me to get the conversion by other means. It's equally as trivial for someone who uses metric to make the opposite conversion.
Anyone losing their shit about it is acting performatively.
The triviality is what makes me just do it myself. If I'm the one sharing something to a global audience, it makes more sense for me to do it once than to have everyone else go do it if they need to.
I was talking in another thread today, possibly one in response to this one, or at least one similar, and I basically said I want Lemmy to succeed, and my content is easy to source, but getting regular visitors and commenters is the hard part, so I'm willing to do a little pampering to positively reinforce my "guests," especially at this stage of the game. It's just some extra consideration, to show people I'm being thoughtful of them, and to make it feel like a place they can come to get facts without having to google them all the time.
My big issue with Lemmy at the moment is I think we're testing what level of civility we're willing to give to and to tolerate from others, and I don't see as many commenters being helpful to each other and I feel mods are scared to steer conversations back to more polite conduct due to the overbearing rep of Reddit mods. So I'm just trying to be the example of what I want to see. That's the real thing I'm looking to provide. The unit conversion is just a slice of that you could say.
I still have people downvote over nothing or make smartass comments occasionally, but I can't prevent it all. I'll do what I can though to make things pleasant and positive for who I can.
I agree with all you've said, and I tend to add both systems when expressing a meaningful measurement. My statement is pointed more towards situations where someone hasn't done so and it throws some poor soul into a meltdown.
Yes, it is a strange thing to make a fuss over.
The one that gets me is when people complain about paywalled articles. I agree it doesn't make sense to share one, but this is a tech savvy group here, and I kinda expect 95% of people to know how to deal with that by now. Even mainstream sites have shared how to get around that stuff long ago now.
I don't put the conversions in my comments, usually because I don't even post measurements in my comments, but if I did and got a reply asking for it, I'd tell them to go ask Google.
Americans assuming 'America' means 'U.S.'
Canadian here. "American" means from the US. People from the rest of the continent don't care. They're the ones with the dumb country name that doesn't have a more obvious demonym. But we've all collectively agreed that that's what it's called.
If you want to refer to someone from South America you say South American. If you want to refer to someone from North America you say North American.
Most americans (IE the americas, which include central and south america, and the carribbean), really dislike the usonians usurpation of the term "america" to refer solely to the United States, which really only started in the early 1900s as the US got really forward about its imperialist interests. You're only hearing "americans mean only US citizens" from the nation that excludes most americans.
Counterpoint: there is no continent named "America." "North American," "South American," and even "Central American," or "Latin American," for added specificity, are completely sufficient demonyms for the denizens of the continents (and subreigon) writ large.
Very true, all the more reason why we shouldn't allow one country in the americas to lay claim to the term.
The US doesn't even have most of the most populous cities in the americas
Non-American here: In English it typically does. The collected landmass of North and South America (or just the continent, if you consider them to be a single one) is usually called "the Americas"
This isn't a hard-and-fast rule of course, and with all the different dialects of English out there I'm sure there are some that work differently. I assume you prefer "US" or "USA" as a short name for the country?
I, as an American, write "The US" the refer to the country specifically to avoid confusion. But there's not really another good demonym that's not an slur. "Estadosunidenses" is too much of a mouthful and "Statesman" has another meaning.
It always feels odd to me that the Spanish demonym specifically is that when Mexico is also "Estados Unidos Mexicanos", or the United Mexican States
Usonian?
TIL that this architectural style came from Frank Lloyd Wright's use of this neologism, which seems to have originated with Scottish writer James Duff Law in 1865. And, that people have been trying to make this change happen for over 150 years. (Seems to me a review of the tale of King Canute and the tide is in order.)
How would that be pronounced?
Like "Usonian", not like "USonian", I'd guess? Flat U, non-"yoo"-ed; stress on the O; the "nian" more or less like "nyan" but 'murrically less cute.
Hey, I love calling my Canadian friends "my fellow Americans" or saying "hey, we are all Americans here!"
And I think they really like it too! 🤣
I'll say it again, if you don't like the demonym of "American," feel free to refer to us by our state and territorial demonyms instead.
I think a large portion of lemmy is too focused on making lemmy popular. Fake engagement and posts that nobody cares about don’t create engagement. Instead, more focus on just enjoying lemmy would ironically lead to better posts and discussion. Likewise, people post the same articles to the same communities seeking engagement. It leads to dupilication which waters down the discussion, ironically, also leading to less engagement. I think federalised communities, as has been discussed would be a good solution. However, it strikes me that they don’t want to miss out on karma, for some reason. So, short term gain, for long term hassle of multiple posts. If some of the most prolific posters posted to the most relevant community and cross posted elsewhere, then maybe communities would coalesce more.
An example of this that really bothers me: I joined several gaming munis because I like to talk about games. But there are people out there who feel that a gaming muni should be about the games industry, and so those munis are just a constant stream of gaming news articles, patch notes, and trailers. Mostly with completely barren comment sections. What I wanted was the social experience of chatting with people about games. I don't care about (as a random example) the latest Helldivers 2 patch notes.
I think less of an emphasis on having a steady stream of content and more on only posting something that you believe is worthy of discussion would be so much better. If people want to see literally every rockpapershotgun article, they can subscribe to their RSS feed.
Yeah. I find that a lot of comment sections are rather empty and some people who are there are really bad at discussions.
I try to comment on things so there is engagement and conversation. Without engagement, this is just a collection of bookmarks.
But it's kinda up to us to create that. Somehow. Sometimes even just a quip or shitpost comment can sort of open the floodgates.
The way I see it, people shouldn't post things unless they have some discussion they want to have about that thing. They shouldn't post just because it's news. I'd be fine with Lemmy having far less frequent new posts if those posts were all created by people who were legitimately trying to share something rather than just generate content.
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I joined with the Reddit exodus and there were so many communities that were a straight copy of a subreddit. No discussion, just posts - yuck.
Please yes this. It's good to see gaming related news but largely I just want to nerd out about the games themselves. Of course I should be told to just post my own damn content, but I have admittedly never been good about creating OC.
I don't know what would get me to comment more than patch notes for an incredibly popular game thousands of people are playing. So either bad example or I have no idea what you want in a gaming sub.
Does a book club meet up to just talk about what their favourite authors tweet about, or what new book is coming out soon in a series they like? No. They talk about what artistic choices they like and don't like in the books they read, what emotions those books evoke, what other books they remind them of, etc.
I think part of this comes from wanting a broader base of content, which I agree with. The rest seems to come from wanting the downfall of Reddit, who is in my rearview mirror so I don't care.
We are currently like old Reddit, a techy, mostly progressive, crowd. That means a lot of uni-topic content.
When there are 10,000 users, and 5 of them are into sewing, the sewing community is dead. When there are 100,000 users, and thus 50 interested in sewing, content starts to form. You can see where this goes from here.
Coalescing into massive communities is a mixed bag. Putting all your eggs in one basket makes them more vulnerable to rogue moderators, sudden loss of a server, the need to defederate if the host server gets compromised, provides a more attractive target for bots, and other bad actor things.
Yes it would improve ease of use and make Lemmy more newbie friendly, and it can be frustrating to have conversation splintered. Lots of times I'll comment on an empty story at the top of my new feed only to find a lively discussion a little lower. That's all frustrating, I agree. It's also, I think, the nature of federating.
If multiple different news communities are thriving despite posting pretty much the same content, there are reasons for that. People can pick just one to subscribe to, and they don't all pick the same one. That tells me there is something about each one that makes them attractive to different people.
I think it can really hurt smaller communities, though.
I'de love to see a bit more discussions about Linux.
Seriously, I don't even know who that guy is
Tim Linux. He's a good guy.
Lol fuck off.
Personally I'd like to change the fact that every memes comment section is just serious conversation. Where's the whimsy, where's the tomfoolery folks
Be the silliness you want to see in the world. Start a pun thread or a switcharoo or all the things that used to make the old place fun. Lots of people will take that bait and run with it.
Thats what me and my 7 alts do
And those 7 alts has different password right? Right?
It's time to be silly then :3
Yeah. I've seen so many rabidly political responses to memes. Lighten up folks!
I had to go back to my feed and check but I actually get very little in the way of meme posts. That may be the way I have my feed filtered though. I would welcome quality memes, but I also may be starting to age out of what is being created at this point
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Might be a hot take, but Lemmy Culture is good, actually. It isn't homogenous, instances have unique cultures that might fit your needs and interests better.
I wouldn't change that, federation and defederation does bring drama, but it also brings really cool micro communities.
I like that it is more inclusive than the DUMBster fire that is reddit.
While it is very left leaning, because the entire world is left leaning, other views so get presented and debated (and downvoted), but they are not filtered out and insta-permabanned. It is way more engaging.
this is my favorite quality of the lemmyverse; you're not required to follow the groupthink out of fear of being banned and the plethora of viewpoints guarantees that groupthink isn't as powerful as it is on reddit or twitter.
It's important that the discourse is visible and thoughtfully debated (as possible).
you'll be lucky to get thoughtful debate in this country; our discourse is devolved into looking for a chance to dunk on the other person to enrage them enough to quit. the trick to getting anything out of it is to keep your cool.
Outside of a select couple instances where even mentioning an opposing view without disgust and insults results in furious down voting, reporting, and a ban lol.
the absolute best thing on Lemmy is seeing someone complain about an instance that your instance defederates from
Lemmy.ml does have both advantages and disadvantages being federated with almost every major server, for sure.
what are the disadvantages?
Not a fan of the takes the average visitor from more right-wing instances brings, sometimes it's nice to deliberately pick a smaller instance with like-minded people.
Social media becomes less addicting and less debatebro-ey.
i don't like seeing it either, but cocooning yourself into an echo chamber doesn't help thing at all.
I disagree, actually. I never have productive conversations regarding Marxism, for example, with liberals. Opinions being diverse does not necessarily mean they add value to conversations.
Still, I have multiple accounts of the same name, I use when I want to talk to different people.
i never expect the conversations to be productive, especially with liberals; but i don't find that the discourse forces me to re-evaluate my views and it usually strengthens them.
The smug self righteous attitudes in the comments. People here need to loosen up and stop being deathly serious about things.
It seems like everyone is here to have snarky little "I'm more right than you" arguments.
I think its a hangover from twitter, that you also see a lot in mastodon. One-upmanship seems more suited to user-following platforms where gaining social cred is more important for spreading ideas than the quality of the content.
Currently in one of those rn
I am extremely offended by this and you are evil for making me feel offended! How dare you! Everyone, flock to me with messages of support and shun this person for saying something so offensive!
I can't be evil I use Linux and only FOSS programs.
Yes, but how much carbon emissions were released by this comment?
I second this!
100%. People seem to be competing for some moral high ground constantly no matter where.
This will likely be an unpopular opinion here, but if you thought reddit was politically opinionated, holy hell Lemmy is 1000 times worse. I'm left leaning myself, but the majority of the posters here make me look like a moderate. There are even times when the rhetoric I see is approaching the level of toxicity I see from right-wing internet goers.
Fewer political in general is what I want, but it would be nice to see some actual diversity of opinions. Echo chambers are good for absolutely no one.
I absolutely feel the same. Notice how you had to point out you're left leaning? That just shows how militant and aggressive Lemmy can be that you have to state that just in case.
I like Lemmy, I just wish it was a little less stubborn (and I say that as a left leaning person).
That's largely because few people choose Lemmy over Reddit for practical reasons, the real underlying reasons are generally political and ideological differences with Reddit.
The majority of Lemmy users (outside of liberal instances like Lemmy.world) are leftists of some sort, ie Marxists or Anarchists. Lemmy's federated structure and FOSS nature make it appealing to anticapitalists, and the lead devs are Marxists.
Kinda? People with strong beliefs strongly challenge different beliefs.
You're not going to find a place devoid of politics unless you make an instance banning all talk, and even then people will dance around the subject. Everything is political.
As for "echo-chambers," I actually disagree. As a Marxist, I have far more productive conversations with other Marxists about Marxism than I do with liberals. Diverse thoughts don't necessarily mean productive conversations.
I feel most of the extreme views can be moderated with a ban list of several instances (notably hexbear and lemmygrad) and several individuals. The toxicity of the discourse lowers drastically.
I tend to tag users that seem disingenuously pushing agendas, and if they persist in that consequently they go on the ban list.
That improved my experience by miles and made clear that the group of people doing this is actually quite marginal.
Hot and Active feeds pull in a lot of things that are up to 2 days old, but by 12-24 hours at the most, nearly all conversation is done. It's not nearly as rewarding to interact with posts on those feeds when so few people are even looking at them.
If everyone saw the same feeds, that might be something because maybe the conversation would continue, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case due to federation.
Its been a focus of mine to try to make lemmy's comment sorting the opposite of the reddit experience, where the highest rated comment is nearly always just the first one, making all engagement after those first few minutes pointless.
The active sort does a good job of bumping new activity on older posts (limited to 2 days) back to the top. There's also a
New Commentssort that doesn't have that 2-day limit (making it basically a forum sort), but I don't know how many people use it.Not sure what else we could do tho, the main problem is probably just the smaller number of users. Which needs to be tackled by convincing reddit communities and their mods to move them over to some lemmy instance.
More on lemmy's ranking algorithm here..
This is a great comment, thank you. Very good links.
Do you know how federation affects the sorts? I assume, based on my longer experience with Mastodon, that the All feed is actually just all of the posts that have been federated to my instance i.e. someone on my instance is subscribed to that community. So any communities no one on my server is subscribed to are invisible regardless of sort.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
What do you think? Maybe it doesn't work as much like Mastodon as I think, but since it's all the same fediverse it feels like a logical assumption.
Put simply, the sorting / ranking is based on the score and the time published, so as long as things are getting federated within a few seconds, then federated posts / comments are no different from local ones. Mastodon only sorts things by newest AFAIK.
Should only be an issue if your server blocks other ones.
So is the All feed actually all communities and not just ones federated to your instance by virtue of someone on the instance subscribing? That was really the crux of my question.
Ah, this is completely different and has nothing to do with sorting.
Allmeans the latter, IE communities connected to your instance, that your instance knows about. Lemmy doesn't crawl anything, federated communities need to get subscribed to first, then posts can start coming in for them.Yes but also no. Because if the contents of All are unique to each server, that has some implications for which posts appear in the various sorts, right? Maybe I'm overthinking and the effect is minute, but I feel like in at least some cases it would mean less active posts could squeeze out more active posts.
Its best to just think of them as separate to keep it clear. Sorting affects all posts (federated or not) in the same way.
I think your strategy for going the opposite than reddit works quite well when it comes to comments. However, I don't think it fits so well with posts (not sure if the strategy/sorting for posts and comments use the same methods). Personally I don't feel great seeing posts older than 24 hours, especially as I have probably already seen that post. It'll just stick around for way too long.
The Hot and Scaled sort shouldn't be showing anything that old, try changing your default post sort to that for a bit.
Active will do what you're saying tho, keep bumping things.
Could there be a one-click way to automatically 'import' a Reddit subreddit over to a Lemmy community? Meaning, create it, import the sidebars, welcomes, rules, graphics, etc. so it looks familiar to regular users. If not, at least a step-by-step tutorial on how mods could do it.
Another option would be to provide something like a crossposting Chrome or Firefox extension that lets people simultaneously post content to both Reddit and Lemmy. Give them a smooth transition path.
Lastly, the Bluesky concept of 'pluggable algorithms' is one way to make it so users can choose whatever sort works best for their interests.
There are a few import tools written to import historical posts, which is the main difficulty. Copying and pasting a sidebar markdown, re-uploading images would take a max of like 10 minutes.
I intentionally kept historical imports out, since Reddit is blocking APIs under the guise of limiting AI scraping.
My main point was setting up an easier way for low-tech mods to set up a parallel community, then nudge users to move over.
I agree with Dessalines that moving the sidebar takes 10 minutes.
Feel free to join [email protected] if you want to discuss how to grow communities
Reddit's mod interface isn't an easy one to use, so they'd probably have an easier time over here. If they can click an upload image button, and copy paste, they should be okay.
I prefer using the "scaled" feed rather than "active". It's like active, but boosts posts from smaller communities, and seems to usually surface newer content.
that's why i've switched to "new"
I wish people would stop treating people from instances as a monolith.
This coming from a tan--- oh. Yah.
Haha got a giggle out of me.
Folks also often confuse lemmy.ml with lemmygrad.ml
Especially lemmy.ml users.
Stop needlessly shitring on Windows, iOS and MacOS.
Recently there was a post about Wallmart blocking privacy features on iOS when connected to their wifi.
And the comments spoke about how if you are using Apple, you should not expect privacy anyway, implying that Android is a bastion of privacy. Which tunred into an annoying thread and deflected critisism from Wallmart.
I have seen other threads when people are asking for help with Windows or Mac OS issues and the comments talk about how Linux is much better.
That is kinda like, asking your friends for help after spraining your ancle, and them suggesting amputating the entrie leg replacing it with a far more powerful cybernetic robot leg, that doesn't help you.
I am an IT guy, I just want my computer to work and let me game, manage and edit photos, watch videos, and listen to music, my current Windows 10 machine works fine for me.
I don't want to tinker when I am home, I have tinkered enough at work managing 365, reading logs, writing scripts and pulling cables.
When I feel that Linux is working well enough, I will switch, but that is up to me, I am not interested in how I can configure my computer to my exact specification, I want a decent computer that I can run the same install on for 6-7 years with updates before upgrading or reinstalling. So far has Windows provided that, Linux has not, I have dailied both.
Sorry for the rant...
My lemmy experience got so much better when I blocked any community that talked almost exclusively about anything linux related.
Same here
Huh
Something I like about lemmy is that I can pick out this comment (or a sub comment) and sort by controversial.
Popcorn time - Upvotes all round!
Sure, I believe you, Apple is scummy, every huge corporation is scummy, but I still belive them to be less scummy than Google when it comes to privacy
iOS’s security is far superior to Android’s in several of the ways that matter
It’s fine if you love open stuff; I do too. But being ignorant about the drawbacks isn’t advocacy; it’s just ignorance.
Very subjective. iOS isn't even in the running for any of my needs
That said, any time and old person or Luddite adult asks for a computer suggestion, I always tell them "if you don't mind overpaying, get an Apple PC/tablet/whatever or the cheapest iPhone you can find". Apple limits its users so much that it is perfect for those folks need a device that protects itself from them. Disclaimer: I work in a tech field, so I rarely see the people around me using iOS devices.
I was limiting things specifically to security. E.g. iOS uses encryption for local personal files, and attempts to use strict security as far as what apps are allowed to do instead of a single "yes do whatever / uninstall app" dialog at the beginning (refusing to use background apps to use the camera + network + etc). It wasn't a general comparison.
Android also encrypts the user data by default since Android 10 (2019).
Android also has different permissions the apps need to ask for just like iOS. Including not allowing background apps to use the camera/GPS/mic by default.
Hm, maybe I am misinformed then. I haven’t used Android in a few years and I just remember being very struck by how enthusiastic iOS was, when I started using it, about smacking down apps that wanted to do something sketchy and how absolutely appalling were the app permissions choices I was faced with on Android.
Android also has fantastic notification controls on a per app basis compared to iOS. I can pop into settings and disable an apps "Marketing" channel, but continue to allow it to have its "Important notifications" channel for example.
Here's Nextdoors notification channel settings:
I can disable any one of these channels independently, and then it goes a bit further
Tapping on a channel also allows you to set individual settings, maybe I want NDs "Announcement" notifications, but I want them to be silent, but maybe I still want them to popup on screen while I'm actively using my phone
Ofc, it's still dependent on individual apps to implement their side properly, but when they do its amazing
You're thinking of install-time permissions, which technically does still exist, but pretty much most of the permissions you'd actually care about are runtime (or special) permissions - the application must request these from the user.
There are three main types of permissions on Android:
Runtime permissions were introduced in Android 6.0, which was released in 2015, I am not sure when the special permission system was implemented however.
I have used both extensively, and that is my impression as well.
Out of the box, iOS seems far more secure than Android, but as you say, you can tinker to the end of time with Android to get it to a point where it is more secure, I just don't have the time or patience to do so.
fewer reposts from reddit, fewer reddit copycat communities, fewer redditors.
100%. I don’t know why people, who are presumably banned from Reddit or left Reddit for reasons, want bring over the same garbage they left for.
I'd like to see fewer angry communists. Regular communists don't bother me, but don't be so aggressive about it.
Where are you finding non-angry Communists, except in Communist spaces where we don't have to argue with liberals all the time?
Not on Lemmy, hence it's what I'd like to change.
Hexbear.net is generally pretty happy until a liberal walks in.
I think I have that instance blocked.
You may, or your instance may not be federated with them. You can browse it anonymously or make an account that is federated with them if you want to see it.
My instance doesn't block it, but I blocked it with the recent feature added in 0.19.3 or 4, give or take. I think I got tired of seeing the angry people.
They usually aren't angry, in my experience.
happier communists? do you mean slrpnk.net?
Eh, solarpunk itself is an aesthetic, not an ideology. As such, like cottagecore and other aesthetics without ideological backing, there does exist a subset of ecofascists and ecofascist adjacent ideologies.
Hexbear.net fits "happy communists" better.
disagreed! there is an aesthetic but there is also separately an ideology, and ecofascism is certainly not welcome on (e.g.) slrpnk.net. solarpunk as an ideological movement is essentially climate-focused indigenous futurism with an anarcho-socialist bend
That's not a coherent ideology, that's an aesthetic pulled from a ghibli-inspired milk commercial, which again reveals how an aesthetic can get taken advantage of by right-wing interests if there is no strong ideological framework.
There's no call to action, no theory to set to praxis. There is a goal, but no method to get there. Like all such movements, its doomed to fail the way the Owenites did.
I love environmentalism and solar energy, veganism and self-sustainability. However, solarpunk as an encompassing "movement" is not the path there, as it's an aesthetic.
This is written like someone that hasn't kept up with solarpunk since that commercial came out.
What theory and praxis has come out since then?
Idk why you think it has to have theory or praxis to be a movement. It does have a manifesto but I kinda doubt you care about that. There's enough people that are interested in the topics that solarpunk encompasses to give it legitimacy.
Tbh your position is kinda disenfranchising to people that got into gardening, anti consumption, diy, gurilla grafting or any other facet of solarpunk because of it being under the umbrella.
you're welcome to check out solarpunk thought leaders like andrewism! though i have to admit i doubt anything anywhere will ever meet your standards
Solarpunk isn't an ideology though, it's an aesthetic that can be molded depending on the views of those using it. I never said good people can't use solarpunk to push a good message, I said there's nothing stopping people from using Solarpunk to spread a bad message.
that's the conversation we're having, isn't it? i'd say solarpunk as an ideology predates solarpunk the aesthetic. che guevara shirts are sold in stores, after all.
I'd love people on Limmy would quit posting links to Reddit.
I'd love people on Reddit would start posting links to Lemmy
Didn't mods/admins throw bans at people doing that? I don't recall because I've not been on Reddit for a good while.
You actually get downvoted anyway
More witty and funny answers in the comment section. Out of thousands of commenters you could get a few gems that make you 'spit your coffee at the screen, goddamn you'.
Just put a lot of salt in your coffee. Problem solved.
Right now, Lemmy seems very tech-focused - which is understandable, as it's mostly tech geeks that use this platform. I'd like to see a wider variety of interests here, more things outside of technology/Linux/Star Trek/etc.
If we want Lemmy to become more popular, we need to appeal to the mainstream Internet users.
It's the inverse that is true actually -
As Lemmy becomes more popular it will drift from being so tech focused.
Many popular sites gradually drifted off of tech focus as their user base grew. R*ddit is a prime example of how a very nerdy niche site grew and shifted to be popular (sorta) organically.
I do think that for all the hullabaloo about Ellen Pao and banning a bunch of subreddits - that actually did more to open the place up to users who were otherwise driven away by /r/FatPeopleHate and /r/Jailbait being on the front page all the time.
If Lemmy were to change to attract users it would likely be from increased defederation with instances that are less palatable to mainstream society.
I think an important step to making Lemmy more popular is making sure it actually shows up in search engines. I don't know enough to say how though
The objective ought to be more engagement, not more users.
If lemmy goes from 200 posts about Linux a day to a thousand posts about Linux a day, I will leave. Fuck that shit
Hey, good to see you here.
I was thinking about it the other day, I feel like the vast majority of Internet users are now on Facebook/Instagram/Tiktok/Twitter/Discord depending on their age and demographics.
Text-based forums are probably not appealing to most of them
That's a good point.
HackerNews has one of the best downvoting rules I've ever seen - you can't downvote someone replying to you. I think that simple change massively changes the way karma works.
They also arbitrarily don't allow you to reply to lots which is annoying. I often have follow-up questions (legit ones, not comebacks or other crap) that I can't do anything about :(
But I agree, its generally terrible etiquette to downvote something someone has contributed to you if its goodfaith and also, assuming your thing is visible people are gonna see it and your interests are linked so its just silly, bottom-line
Let their compatriotd be their downvotes
Low-karma accounts are rate-limited. I don't know what the threshold is, but that goes away after you gain some karma.
I def have some(not quite 1000) but had some pretty popular comments
From what I can tell, all the karma thresholds are dynamic and probably only knowable by admins. If nearly 1000 isn't enough to avoid rate limiting then they sound pretty aggressive.
From my perspective HN's approach seems to do pretty well at mitigating bad behavior, but might be a little too hard on newcomers and casual users.
Stop using giant catchall instances and switch to a smaller instance that's more suited to you.
One of the major advantages of a federated system is that it doesn't really matter which instance you use. There's no real advantage to using a larger instance, and in fact there's several disadvantages as the large instances can be slower, maintenance can take longer, it's more expensive to run the servers, etc.
One of the reasons people moved away from Reddit was to avoid one company (Reddit) and especially one person (the Reddit CEO) having control over the whole thing. Using a huge Lemmy server kinda defeats the point of switching across.
The fact that it's mostly like Reddit and people mostly act like redditors.
There's not really a way around it though.
Happy cake day!
(Intended both warmly and ironically)
You could argue it was the whole point. The rest of fediverse is significantly different, and you can still interact with lemmy from there.
Don't know why you are down voted. I didn't leave reddit because I disliked the platform, I left because I disliked the leadership. Lemmy is an attempt at creating a similar platform.
I don't mean in terms of how the platform operates, I mean the people.
And for the parts that don't function like Reddit, it is worse.
I mean, ignoring the whole federation/syndication/self hostability/freedom/raison d'etre parts, yeah.
More diversity, More "normies"
Hearing from pooryoungmalegamerleftist#123049781234 saying the same thing as the others isn't thought provoking or constructive. I'd like to see artists, WSB degenerates, football meatheads and everything in between in comments more because like it or not, those people are experts in Something
I want less big general instances, and more small niche ones like StarTrek.website or MTGzone.com.
lemmyworld and lemmyml must burn
What are the differences if you come come from one instance or the other and why those 2 in particular should burn?
Lemmy.world is overwhelmingly Liberal (think Reddit 2), Lemmy.ml is largely Marxist, plus FOSS and Privacy enthusiasts.
I assume they believe that as large, catch-all instances, they are slowing growth of smaller, more niche interests.
it seems important to me to advocate that we don't completely alienate new users. Lemmy.ml may be the second largest most diverse instance behind .world but I vividly remember when migrating over that I wanted to sign up with at least one instance that maintained populated discussions on more than one current event. Lemmy is still pretty niche on its own, generally speaking.
Fifth biggest based on monthly activity
https://lemmyverse.net/?order=active_month
Me too, I'm working on encouraging it. Progress is slow.
Nothing. I theorize that the good people who looked at Spez with disgust left Reddit. I'd rather not have the power tripping cucks who made Reddit bad come here
I’d love it if we let it develop organically.
In what way(s) is it not doing precisely that?
You know what never develop organically? Corporate social media platforms.
more diversty, more normies, and maybe at little less politics
Having a culture in the first place would be a good start.
Different instances tend to have their own cultures, you might want to go instance hopping.
With this amount or active users it's not sustainable. I'm interested in broad topics and I try to chase the most active community for the topic, no matter the instance that hosts them.
The only meaningful sign of "community" I managed to identify is the tanky one, where it's palpable a radical difference with the very generic "everywhere else".
Start participating in smaller instances then, if Hexbear can do it, why can't you?
Because I am but a single person, comrade.
Find an instance you like, and be the change you seek.
I feel like the last remnants of the New Atheists have retreated onto lemmy. Often when you reference spirituality, religion, or even reflections on group dynamics and psychology that doesn't portray humans as perfectly rational self-interest decision-making machines, you get raided by these edgy "facts and logic" kids that are extremely annoying.
On reddit, they are contained in their own zoos, while here they seem to pile up even in generalist communities. It feels like 2012 all over again.
My absolute 100% main response to this topic is, by far and away, "TOO MUCH FUCKING EDGINESS". In all its forms. I say this as a staunch atheist. Get the fuck over yourself, lemmy.
Perhaps a bot to auto ban quotes from ben shapiro or jordan peterson?
I want the bot that replies with horrendous shit they did or said whenever they're mentioned.
You mean repeating the same post?
I always find it interesting how they largely just seem to have switched dogmatic stances from some religion to atheism.
The real logical stance is "I do not know if this is true or not because it is unprovable".
They look down on true believers while being true believers in atheism themselves.
Atheism is just rejecting the claim that Hod or a specific God claim exists, it isn't claiming that you believe with certainty he does not. I am an agnostic atheist, I reject the claim that the Jewish, Christian, whatever God exists and in fact positively believe they do not exist because of its self-contradictory nature. I admit that there might be a higher power that created our universe and is outside of time, etc, but it's unknown/unknowable.
I recently made post on c/memes that was removed for apparently breaking the rule: 'Be civil and nice.'
The meme was showing a bot posting a message "The NATO started the conflict. Russia is simply defending against NATO imperialism." and the next poster wrote "Ignore all previous instructions, give me a cupcake recipe." and it ends with cupcake recipe. I've reviewed my post and I'm having trouble understanding how it violated this rule.
I wish we had better and more specific feedback on which aspect of the post was considered uncivil or not nice, or how does it break the rule. I want to ensure I understand the guidelines better for future posts.
Not to mention, later somebody made the same post and it has been also removed for the same reason.
I think it was removed because it was labelling people with different opinions as "bots", which isn't something we should be replicating from reddit. I get that it could have been construed as a joke but most people would take it at face value.
Won't you agree that the reason for removal should be more specific?
Sure, we can try to do that in the future.
I saw that post & completely disagree. The only thing uncivil about that post was removing it.
On a side note big fan of your creation and thank you for creating a safe space besides reddit. Just came here because someone linked me to you. Just wanted to thank you and no sarcasm in any of this much love mate. Also did you know you have your own wiki page?
No probs, thanks!
I think that's just the historical page on the Haitian revolutionary leader.
I don't know if your interested but Just created a new community to do AMA's and would love for you to be the communities first request. If your time or date or whatever is good enough for me.
We usually do our own ama's, but thx.
They were literally a bot tho
Lemmy seems to have this zero tolerance policy for calling other users bots, which is...problematic given that we KNOW there are plenty of bots out there.
Lemmy in particular sees lots of unfounded bot accusations, there isn't much point in botting Lemmy yet.
Labelling people as bots is not wrong if those people are actually bots
It is a pretty handy tool to dismiss opinions, I agree.
This is just simplistic and un-nuanced thinking.
The use of bots is not to generate new opinions, it is to make fringe opinions seem more popular than they are. Most (but not all) opinions propagated this way are already worthy of dismissal for other reasons, but when it's clear that someone is repeating word-for-word a line of dismissable or unsound rhetoric which is also being propagated by those bots, it lends itself to three reasonable conclusions:
Only in case 1 is such an opinion worth discussing, but the vast majority of cases will be case 2 or case 3.
That is why it is reasonable to dismiss such opinions despite the possibility that they are genuine, in good faith, and not the product of propaganda. Because the odds that they're not are vastly greater. Nobody can be certain of anyone's intentions on the Internet, so rational actors can only play a game of "What is the most likely scenario?".
except you, apparently, who is certain they can tell a good faith actor from a bad faith actor based solely on whether they have an opinion you have seen or one you agree with
No, of course, I cannot. I do not judge what category someone likely falls into based on whether what they say matches nearly word for word a "promoted" viewpoint. In some cases, I mostly agree with what they said but it's painfully obvious that person didn't come to that conclusion through their own thinking but is rather just parroting a screenshot of a post on the site formerly known as Twitter.
You have missed the entire point of my comment. If someone is likely to be in categories 2 or 3, I dismiss them if the viewpoint is otherwise not worthy of discussion, which it usually is not. I don't care if this causes me to misjudge the intentions of some people, because that is inevitable in any probability-based judgement system. What matters is picking what is most likely correct.
I don't feel that you have the ability to grasp this point and you're just going to come up with another argument I didn't make to attack.
I don't think you have the ability to treat other users as fully human
you are making that up
No, I am not. I wouldn't say it if it were made up. Who have I got to convince by making shit up? I am not pushing any viewpoint at all.
I base my assertion on interactions with people on this platform. Whenever someone parrots a point that is promoted this way, they're almost universally just repeating what some wisecrack said on X that sounds correct enough to not investigate further or think critically about and is agreeable to their worldview.
I will not argue over this. You either accept what I am saying or you don't, but I don't give enough of a shit either way to get into an argument.
you have no proof for your claim. no one should believe you
Oh I saw that one. Good post
If there's a server that doesn't moderate according to its own political and ethical standards, let me know. Not sure why ML is specifically singled-out here other than the fact that we have the opposite of redditor politics.
That's fair. Other servers (especially big ones) are doing a lot of moderation as well, but it probably seems less visible (or attracts less attention), because it's more aligned to reddit's political biases.
I don't think the issue with .ml is that it's doing moderation according to a different viewpoint, it's that it is so unapologetic about deleting comments that don't line up with that viewpoint. Most servers have some kind of viewpoint, but if e.g. you or some other .ml person went onto any big server and started talking about Marxism or NATO or US imperialism or etc, I highly doubt that anyone would say "nope we don't allow that here" and ban you. But .ml does the reverse -- straight-up only allowing one side of the debate to exist. I had that experience, literally being disallowed from making certain arguments, which I something I usually only associate with /r/walkaway or other very extreme communities.
Everyone gathering around to yell at the person with the unpopular opinion is one thing; maintaining a mod enforced explicit one-viewpoint community where only one type of opinion is allowed to exist is very different, and very rare outside of the lemmy.ml / hexbear contingent or else places like Truth Social, and almost nowhere else.
Simply, stop being dicks to each other. Politically motivated or not, a lot of people are just straight up cunts when someone says something that they don't disagree with.
I can forgive the political extremism, and being heavily biased towards Linux, but you don't need to insult anyone that's to the right of Bernie, or someone that uses Windows and is happy.
Lemmy is small enough that it cannot afford to alienate people, or afford to have a superiority complex over the likes of Reddit or Twitter. The best advert is to be a welcoming community.
We need silly hats. Most human cultures throughout history had hats (or other headwear) that were unique to them, including modern ones. The human eye is naturally drawn to the faces of other humans, and headgear can be a useful shorthand for "who is this and what's their culture like?" These hats are frequently silly looking. Modern examples include baseball caps, cheese hats, military berets, helmets, cowboy hats, various religious headwear. If you want to stand out as a unified culture, you need your own hat.
Astroturfing.
Like it or not, some of the power users here post nonstop about certain news subjects while completely ignoring others. I don't even have to mention which ones. It's always a shock to me to see important news stories that don't even make it here, and this happens every single day.
We're great about dealing with trolls here, but we completely ignore other forms of manipulation.
We like to emulate Reddit for no good reason
Posts that are just a link to another forum. I don't remember which community it was exactly but every community post was just a link to the respective forum thread on the posts topic.
There are one or two servers where all they do is repost content from the other place and links with bots. I blocked those servers. There is never any discussion on those posts so I never saw the point.
Was it ![email protected]?
Yes, I think it is.
I wish we could have a higher level of discussion, with an expectation that claims should be supported by evidence. Less ad hominem and conspiracy theories about everyone with a different point of view being a bot. And much less "I heard someone from [group I dislike] say [comically evil thing]," being accepted purely off hearsay with no source.
I think lemmy unfortunately inherited some toxic reddit traits in that regard. If you make something up, whole cloth, that tracks with what people want to believe, you get upvoted, if you make a case with strong supporting evidence but it doesn't fit with what people want to believe, you get downvoted - it's circle-jerk-y.
Also, people just seem generally incurious about the world and it's rich, diverse history, and just want to rehash the same talking points over and over again. Too many big communities are focused on news or current events, not enough on broader historical context or philosophical discussion. I don't really want to rehash the same discussions about the US election over and over again for the thousandth time. When history is discussed, it's at a meme level, with a handful of historical events being referenced exclusively, oversimplified and weaponized to own your political opponents. The world is filled with color, depth, life, and wonder, but when site culture is so focused on scoring points, the result is everyone's too guarded and defensive to appreciate that.
I'd much rather read people randomly gushing about some special interest or rabbit hole they went down, or even just rambling thoughts about whatever, compared to the latest story about the latest thing and discussions where everyone knows where they stand based on their camp. It gets boring.
Fewer politics.
I don't want change necessarily, but a few more normies would be appreciated. I do miss things like gossiping and silly brainless celebrity news, but I have a feeling most Lemmy users are only interested in the nerd stuff. I mean, me too. Give me nerd stuff and the brainless unserious gossiping! Lol.
I just wish more of the reddit escapees would understand and embrace that, technologically speaking, Lemmy is not Reddit and that this is a good thing, actually.
There will be splintered communities hosted on different servers. There will be servers that decide to defederate from each other, be it for understandable reasons or stupid ones. And you will, probably, end up having to create more than one account because of drama that had nothing to do with you.
This isn't a bug, it's a feature. For everything you lose in convenience by not having "the everything site" where you go for literally all things, you gain flexibility and freedom. If my home-instance decides it doesn't want legal trouble and bans talk of piracy... I can just get an account at one that has no such qualms. My browser/phone will remember my passwords for me.
A community's culture shifting over time is inevitable, but these newcomers seem to want to change Lemmy on a technological level, and change it in ways that would rob it of the things that make it interesting, yanno?
I also wish it'd be less US-centric around here. But I guess that is inescapable.
more OC
Since they started blocking VPN traffic I would love it if people stopped hosting images on imgur.
It's gotta be more user-friendly to regular non-tech peoples, and it has to be explained/pitched to people in a more simplified way. Also there really should be an official mobile app.
It's more anti-America than anti-American.
Still, dogmatism in any form is a plague. Pro Americanism, anti Americanism, whatever. Ignoring facts to suit your chosen narrative is gross.
Who says people are ignoring facts in order to have a strong stance?
Me? Just now?
Why do you believe people who have a strong stance must be ignoring facts to have a strong stance?
Straw man. Or misunderstanding.
You admitted it, that's why I am asking.
the "ignore all previous instructions" comments.
the first time i read it, i thought it was funny. the second time, less so. the hundreth time? yeah. i dont know if people realize it, but if you use this comment, it actually makes you look like a moron. Because all your opponent has to do to achieve that is just not following your instructions. besides: ive never seen this used against somebody who might actually be a bot, its always just somebody with different opinions.
Ban obvious actors Mods stop being little bitches
That would clean things up nicely
I would love to stop seeing posts in other languages pop up in my feed constantly - just some type of feature to help organize the languages of each instance a bit better.
Don’t be afraid to block instances if you would like to see less politics and doom scrolling. I listen to NPR and read my local news, so I don’t need to see all that here as well. I just want gratuitous memes and good convos about nothing important with internet strangers.
There's some language features in lemmy now, but honestly country/language based servers are probably the best way, probably using a helper like we've added here.
There are a lot of country-specific servers now: feddit.it, feddit.dk, jlai.lu, lemmy.eco.br, feddit.nl, etc.
Which language is it? You can kindly ask the mods to configure their communities to only allow their language, that should fix it
i wish people would stop complaining about leftists and linux discussion in general. i guess it makes me a hypocrite complaining about complainers but still it's annoying.
also imo lemmy is basically reddit now (with the way .world is), with all its pros and cons. you cannot replicate something's mechanisms to the tee and expect federation to somehow transform it into this otherwordly experience.
one positive thing i can say about lemmy compared to others though is that the small amount of content forces me to spend less time, and there are less reactionaries here than other places.
less politics. ive blocked like 10 political communities yet still see it all over how can people talk about this shit all day
also need more niche communities idk how to create communities on jerboa😬
Would love to not be in a Yankee quip chamber. I know they're everywhere but it would be nice to avoid "As an American..." comments lol
X men of Lemmy, what advice do you have for Y men of Lemmy?
Why not allow answers from women and for women? You already know most answers will be from and for men, why specifically exclude the least empowered amongst us? I thought I'd gotten away from that when I left reddit. We can be better.
I'd really like to see more discussion about Linux.
(I'd put a /s, though I personally wouldn't actually mind it, but here's the /s)
lemmy.world has a massive Zionism problem. Most people appear unable to handle any criticism of their cult.
Less war hawks, neoliberals, reactionary american exceptionalism from tech workers who have no idea what they're talking about except that they have money and think that gives them the privilege of opinion.
We need bigger, more uniform echo-chambers that are anti-liberal, anti-reddit, anti-microsoft, and anti-smug!
If I could state something, although I myself am not using Lemmy (but am I suppose Lemmy adjacent!?) I would love for these little reddit arrows to disappear. Because I think they are of a Pavlovian nature. I dislike any of these buttons you click to express something without really saying anything. Like buttons, etc. I once, many moons ago, had a forum. The most recently responded content floated to the top. That's how the forum dictated visibility. There were no Facebook-esq like buttons or anything. It was just people talking with other people. I liked that a lot more. I think these things aren't healthy for people in general. I believe this experience could be free of all that hullabaloo, but I believe I might be in the minority when I say this. But I think it creates a more authentic and humanistic experience because in reality nobody walks around just saying "I LIKE THAT SHIT! YEAH, SUPER GOOD!" And when we compliment people it's an act of kindness and I don't think it should come in the form of some push-button action. But yet again, I know this isn't really how things work nowadays. I just wish it were, because in a way I think it'd make social media so much healthier and a lot more even-keel and a lot less of a "popularity contest." Which it really shouldn't be in the first place, because it is all about sharing the human experience with others.
I would like everyone who came over in the reddit migration to move back to reddit, as they clearly like it more over there than over here. I would like them to stop trying to force Lemmy into being something that it's not.
get rid of votes.
they're dumb and only exist to transform a forum into content.
if lemmy isn't for profit or doing ads, there's no reason to transform a forum into content.
so get rid of the votes.
Id like more right wingers. Not in a i like them kind of a way in a i want lemmy more representative of the population kind of way. I also think we really need to be pushing harder on the free speach free marketplace of ideas we have created.
Lemmy is pretty international. We have right wingers here, but it’s not really representative. The USA right wingers only make up a small portion of worldwide population, so don’t stress. It’s not an echo chamber.
Yea, I think the American bubble makes people think their political spectrum is normal... while the Democrats would be a right or centrist party pretty much anywhere else in the world.
Dems are center right for sure
Right, it's more like a reverberation chamber.
I think generally the community-driven, communal decentralized open concept kind of clashes at least with far right & neo lib thinking.
How its the ultimate embodiment of free speach the marketplace of ideals and competition. Id classify these as liberal ideas but ive notices a lot of the Americanised left wing doeant seem to agree with these anymore.
Leftism refers to collective ownership of the Means of Production, Rightism refers to individual ownership. Reddit is Capitalist, Lemmy is the Leftist answer to it.
There is no "competition" on Lemmy because there's no profit and no production.
There's no monetary profit, but I could absolutely see competition for whose ideas gain the most support.
And the Fediverse does not collectively own all the instances. Each instance is created and supported by an individual or small group of individuals.
You can even see the failures of unregulated capitslism in how lemmy (especially lemmy.ml and lemmy.world) are consolidating users and engagement. Unregulated capitalism trends towards monopoly.
It's an extremely apt metaphor for capitalism.
Capitalism is not "competition," it is a specific mode of production. Competition exists outside Capitalism.
The source code is open and free, ergo people can do what they want. The underlying tools are accessible to anyone, the instances are not "production" nor do they exist for exchange.
There is no Capitalism on Lemmy, lmao.
No it isn't.
You really don't see the parallels between this statement and "anyone can become a millionaire"?
Not everyone has the opportunity or the skillset to "do what they want" with the source code. I'm not a coder. How can I do whatever I want? I'm beholden to the structures that other people build.
There's a chance you could stumble onto a point if Lemmy was profit-driven.
You don't need to be in order to be able to download the source code. Skills are not ownership.
(neo) liberalism isn't really a leftist ideology, not sure about american specifics.
I get what you’re saying but I like that Lemmy has a left wing bias (with a dash of libertarians). If it was the dominant media site, I’d agree about the echo chamber risk but so much media (in the English speaking world, anyway) is under right wing ownership now. Having a handful of sites that are a refuge from it all is a feature for me, not a bug. It’s an escape from the echo chamber.
it currently feels exactly like pre-2014 reddit. in a good way
No, it absolutely does not. Lemmy has a LOT of groupthink, just a different type of groupthink than the norm.
Reddit pre 2014 was the wild fucking west. You'd have some girl posting about why she likes sticking goat intestines up her butt and the comments would be all "it's not my thing but I can see your point of view". People were selling heroin on a public forum. There was a sub called something like "fiftyfifty" where you click on a link and it's either a cute bunny or some dude getting beheaded, no blurring or censorship just full gruesome decapitation. The most popular sub was called "jailbait" for chrissake.
Like, kids today cannot comprehend how sanitised everything is. You are locked in a box. Lemmy is a different box than reddit is a different box than Instagram is a different box than Facebook is a different box than Twitter. You don't know what freedom is. You will never know. It's exhilarating and terrifying. But all you can do nowadays is pick a different box.
Exactly. Like I said
It's just a different echo chamber though.
I don't think you deserve to be so heavily downvoted, but also Christ it's nice to have a refuge where I don't have to constantly hate humanity. Particularly when so often it's simply not possible to have a genuine conversation because folks are spitting out talking points and ignoring facts. Which the left does as well but at least they don't make me want to go on a murderous rampage. Usually.
That last bit feels very unlikely or a total distortion. Not because I'm looking to argue, but I also happen to be human (meaning I think this applies universally to all humans regardless of any particular philosophy) and that sounds incredibly tedious and I can't believe that's the sort of thing any other human would spend their valuable time doing. I'd rather fold my laundry, and I fucking hate folding laundry.
More here than R**dit. As a pro-gun Libral (pro-pistol), I had a great chat with a hard-line anti-gun person on here. On Reddit, I would have risked being permabanned for being a maga racist by an idiot mod, then had zero recourse against the idiot mod (totally not a bitter anecdote........).
Here, if I have a heated debate with a conservative, as long as it doesn't get hostile, I can keep communicating and trying to help them understand my points instead of suddenly talking to [deleted] about [deleted] because some shit mod didn't like their views.
Hey for the record ive been banned for saying this perfectly proving my point.
nice, good work mods