Spyke
reddthat.com

Majority of the "AI inside" software and solutions. It's in a bubble and everyone is throwing crap to a wall hoping it sticks.

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sh.itjust.works

"AI" is the new "blockchain". It's a solution looking for a solid problem to tackle, with some niche applications

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lemm.ee

I mean, at least Ai has SOME useful applications, the blockchain was just wasting energy for some numbers.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Blockchain also has some useful applications. Most (but not all) of them are also possible with technology and such that existed when bitcoin was first created, at far lower cost for a minor tradeoff in accuracy. On top of that, almost none of them are related to speculative markets.

It's a way to do distributed transaction logs in a non-refutable and independantly verifiable way. That's useful and important, but it was a solution in search of a problem. Even for the highest security, most at risk transactions, the existing international fincancial systems are "good enough" to ensure reliability of transaction logs.

In the end, blockchain and now AI are just falling victim to con men trying to milk as much money as they can from things before people build a working understanding of them. They'll just keep moving onto the next big thing as it comes.

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IIIreply
lemmy.world

I just wish people had long enough memories to see the cycle for terms like these. Some new word catches vogue, companies fall over themselves trying to find ways to implement them for shareholders and consumers who have no idea what they actually represent. As that fades, a new term arises.. it's sad.

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MajorHavocreply
programming.dev

And virtual reality gets a free revival every other technology, while we're at it.

I'm predicting VR coming back into the limelight, try again, shortly after everyone loses interest in AI.

Also, I'm still pissed that flying cars aren't in the limelight more. I was promised daily updates, and I'm not seeing them. That's the biggest proof that the media is completely disconnected.

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sh.itjust.works

We have flying cars. They're called helicopters, and they suck for most activities

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Good point.

I'm willing to accept a reality where the science magazines are constantly excited about every development in helicopter technology.

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saltescreply
lemmy.world

I am so over hearing about AI. It's getting to the point that I can assume anyone dropping the term at work is an idiot that hasn't actually used or utilised it.

It's this LLM phase. It's super cool and a big jump in AI, but it's honestly not that good. It's a handy tool and one you need to heavily scrutinise beyond basic tasks. Businesses that jumped on it are now seeing the negative effects of thinking it was magic from the future that does everything. The truth is, it's stupid and people need to learn about it, understand it, and be trained in how to use it before it can be effective. It is a tool, not a solution—at least for now anyways.

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That's actually a pretty good analogy.

I think more like discovering making fire or something. 90% of all the energy burnt is people worshipping it as it blazes away, never actually fulfilling any practical use except being marvelous to be around.

But once the forest is all chopped down, people are forced to understand fire and realise a couple small logs in a contained place was all they needed to have it be incredibly effective.

Oh, but that's too hard. It's magic right now. All hail the AI bonfire!

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lemmy.ml

Genuinely curious, how does it destroy the environment?

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Their waste is less destructive than coal plant though. Perhaps this could be a silver lining to finally get nuclear back in action and get closer to dropping coal once and for all.

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Tbf the energy issues are getting better, or at least there are some more efficient models being created. Back in April there was a version of Llama that only needed 8gb to almost match GPT4

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lemmy.ml

So AI uses energy, and it’s how we are choosing to provide that energy is destructive to the environment? So AI isn’t itself destructive.

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oo1reply
lemmings.world

Ah yeah, just choose a different energy souce. Simples.

Have you seen the growth in % of renewable (incl, nuc biofuel and waste) electricity generation over the past 30 years. (36% i in 1990 , dropped to about 33% in late 2000s up to 38% recently) this is global, IEA figures.

There have been two years since 1990 when renewable electricity output has grown faster than total electricity demand. 2008/9 recession and 2020 covid. The only way renewables will come close to meeting current electricity consumption is actually to start reducing those demands.

If we start transerffing gas( domestic heating), and petrol( low-capacity road transportation) onto the electricitry grid then the scale and speed of renewables needs to ramp up inconcievably quickly - it has grown fast over the past decade, but it hasn't been cheap nor has it been fast enough to keep up with current demands.

TBH I don't know where AI lines up next to EVs in scale of potential extra demand, probably lower but still an added demand (unless it can substitute for other stuff and improve efficiency somehow).

Electricity source is not really a choice, it is resource and tech constrained many sources are needed; the cheapest fuels will continue to be in the mix used so long as demand keeps increasing so fast.

Maybe, If you ran all AI in peooles houses in cold countries in winter, it'd substitute for heating - that'd be one way it could reduce its impact. Or maybe it can get its act together and spark widespread, frequent, deep, long lasting recessions in economic activity.

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Maybe renewables is not the solution to our energy needs if it can’t scale up like we thought it could. Conservation of energy is not the answer. We as a society must find new, cleaner, sources of energy. Maybe AI can help us do it.

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I equate an AI to an intern. It's useful for some stuff but if I'm going to attach my name to it I'm going to review it and probably change a lot about it.

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freebeereply
sh.itjust.works

There's one good use case for me: produce a bigload of trialcontent in no time for load testing new stuff. "Make 2000 yada yada with column x and z ...". Keeps testing fun and varied while lots of testdata and that it's all nonsense doesn't matter.

I've found that testing code or formulas with LLM is a 50/50 now. Very often replying "use function blabla() and such snd so" very detailed instructions while this suggested function just doesn't exist at all in certain language asked for... it's still something I'ld try if I'm very stuck tho, never know.

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Very often replying "use function blabla() and such snd so" very detailed instructions while this suggested function just doesn't exist at all in certain language asked fo

I've noticed this a lot too—especially for M. But even though it makes up a function, it sometimes inspires a more optimised idea/method that can be more flexible for future datasets.

But most times it starts to massacre things and disregard prompted parameters or even producing an identical suggestion immediately after being told not to, why not to, and reconfirming original parameters of the query.

Some times punching in the same prompts five times for five iterations produces completely different results, but one may be on the right track and I can code the rest. It helps to set it's personality first, so it's sharing ideas it's seen out there, rather than trying to please.

At the least, it's a big time saver. Gone are the days where I get a few days spare to work on solving a complex problem through trial and discovery, so it's an excellent tool for reducing testing time and speeding up the route to an optimised method.

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notice how all of those crypto features were quietly removed from platforms after people realised they were paying millions for some numbers, i think that will happen with Ai

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smackjackreply
lemmy.world

I just got a notification on my phone telling me that I can chat with my PDF documents. Why the fuck would I want to do that? Do these companies realize that literally no one is asking for this shit? I also saw an ad for a computer mouse that had AI inside it. Whatever that means.

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Huginreply
lemmy.world

I just got a notification on my phone telling me that I can chat with my PDF documents

I belive you got that notification but I honestly have no idea what it even means.

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It's from the Adobe Acrobat app. Basically you can ask it to give you a summary of whatever document you're reading.

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Oddly enough, that's one of the few functions I've found the LLMs useful for. Looking through big pdfs for specific information, lots of times "ctrl+f" doesn't do the trick because the exact term I'm looking for doesn't appear. Worse sometimes it's a phrase that could be in there under many synonyms. Using the LLM to find the actual info is pretty nice, it just isn't "AI".

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Don’t knock it too quickly. I thought like you but one evening I was a little tipsy and started chatting with a PDF document. Let’s just say things got a heated and now we’re engaged.

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My research was literally on AI back in college. Most AI solutions are just basic algorithms and don't use real AI solutions. There's a huge difference.

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It's even better than that. A lot of companies are taking NVIDIA's pre-built workflows, running their data through them and selling the results as their own AI. "We build proprietary RAG AI!"

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I can't wait to get a Smart AI refrigerator that tells me I have a bunch of food that isn't really in there even when I didn't ask it to.

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Watched a bit of a video of a guy that went to Computex and asked any vendor with AI plastered somewhere what they were doing with it. Most spouted some meaningless word salad and a few literally shrugged.

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Essential oils. Homeopathy. Chiropractic. Reiki. Juice cleanses. Perineum sunning. Internet accelerator software. Iridology. Faith healing. Organic food. Oil pulling. Gold plated digital audio cables.

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Atroposreply
lemmy.world

As a medical device engineer working in spine - absolutely chiropractors.

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lemmy.world

the difference (so i'm told) is that DOs are trained to take a more holistic, full-body approach to diagnostics and treatment rather than only focusing on one set of symptoms/treatment. They also do their residencies and internships alongside MDs.

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My PCP is a DO. It works for me as my body is still relatively young. (late 30's) I also don't have many issues that would require more intensive/specialized treatment that I don't already have a specialist for.

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Atroposreply
lemmy.world

I was not familiar with this term and had to look it up. From my brief search, it also seems like snake oil, and I don't know why someone would not go to a real physical therapist instead.

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Fair, I do have a number of MD DO consultants. The initial look I had was not within the DO licensing.

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DO are real doctors. Rarer than MDs because there are less schools but totally real docs. My Mom with 30 years nursing experience says their training is basically identical, but DOs are generally nicer.

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It depends on the country. Everywhere but the US, I believe, osteopaths are witch doctors on the same level as chiropractors. In the US, they were originally like that, but their professional organization basically pushed it into being a real medical degree.

Now they go to the same length schooling as MD's, and take the same exams as far as I know.

The core of the whole discipline, osteopathy, is a pseudoscience, though. While they are usually competent doctors they still have that core of pseudoscience. They like to market themselves as more "holistic", but that's usually a good dogwhistle term to let you know information not supported by science is going to follow. They bring up that they are the same as MDs, but with additional training in osteopathy, but that can't be true because the schooling is the same length, so to fit in the pseudoscience, they get less science.

The real reason why we have DO's is that we don't have capacity in our country to educate enough MDs, so we have this weird parallel system.

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A chiropractor 💯 fixed my throwing arm that I had been dealing with for over 10 years. Made me an absolute believer. That said, I’ve been to two different chiropractors and they were wildly different in everything they did. Dr Lopeig in Great Falls, Virginia is an absolute wizard.

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Otterreply
lemmy.ca

I sometimes come across influencers pushing chrio "treatments" on pets or newborns, saying it makes them "breathe better" or be "more energetic"

It's infuriating

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I've told this story before, but newborn chiropractors are a thing, and many new parents will take their BABIES to get their neck and back snapped around. It's frankly fucking disgusting.

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bruhduhreply
lemmy.world

Problem is, people go to chiropractor when they don't have access to real doctor, problem either the money or/and most doctors in your city/state can't/refuse do anything about your problem, desperation is one hell of a stimulus

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candybriereply
lemmy.world

The thing is, placebos can actually be pretty effective. Hell, they're effective even if you know they're a placebo. And the more elaborate and similar to what you think would be involved in curing you, the more effective. So people going to chiropractors might actually be getting real results even if the things they're doing are junk.

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EnderMBreply
lemmy.world

I can somewhat understand this. I have IBS, and most people with a bowel issue will tell you that IBS is basically your doctor saying ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Instead of getting help from your doctor, you go online and you hear about people finding relief through taking weird supplements, or eating only rice, or taking pre and probiotics of varying types. None of it has any proof, but it's better to try something than to struggle - and sometimes you're lucky or you find some short-lived relief.

The difference is that there often isn't evidence for these things working, whereas there is plenty of evidence out there that says that chiropractors are doing legitimately dangerous practices to your body. The difference is that someone is trying to make a profit from this lack of knowledge.

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aussie.zone

I’ve had loads of advice like that for IBS, but no amount of FODMAP or probiotics actually makes a difference, because my IBS is stress-triggered. My doctor helped by advising me to avoid stressful situations, which is hard when you move to another country.

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It may be that your gut health is constantly poor when stress triggers things. I used to become ill from cold exposure for several years - tyramine from foods leaked through the small intestine to the bloodstream (which is bad) for about three days after each exposure. See https://lemmy.world/comment/10672140

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This was basically my experience but with tinnitus.

It's a symptom of a larger problem but if there is no clear correlation then you're kind of on your own

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"Only rice" is an elimination diet for allergies that I should have tried decades ago, but dumbass mainstream medicine never recommended.

I found out there are slow allergies mediated by immunoglobulin G that you can't detect while eating, so I did a blood test. Found some strong positives (milks, eggs), and then through elimination found out false negatives that I also can't eat (peanut, soy), and, thanks to the doctor whom I went out of my way to see about IgG, some that are typically harmful to those with IBS that I also need to avoid (gluten, sunflower oil, rapeseed oil). Supplemental protective agents Aloe barbadensis, xyloglucan, and butyrate also help. Getting really healthy now - no more IBS if I don't eat mistakes.

The mainstream doctors say that's all nonsense and that I'm a hypochondriac who perceives having gotten better for no reason.

My previous successful departure from the mainstream was making my gallbladder go from "full of stones" to "empty except a thin layer of sediment on the bottom" as seen by ultrasound. Now that there's proof, the doctors can't dismiss that. https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-good-diet-considerations-for-Gallstone-sufferers/answers/107344862

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lemmy.world

Holland and Barrett sell supplements. Some people do need to take a vitamin d tablet a day. I do but I've got a prescription for a vitamin d and calcium tablet because I've been low for years.

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ouRKaoSreply
lemmy.today

I work 3rd shift, so I take Vitamin D because the sun is my nemesis.

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Foshezereply
lemmy.world

Be careful with vitamin D though. That is one of the very very few vitamins that you can actually take too much of because it's fat soluble, not water soluble, so excessive vitamin D will build up in your fat cells rather than just getting peed out. It's called vitamin D toxicity (VDT) and it can have some unpleasant neurological effects among other things.

So it's probably a good idea to get your levels checked anyways just to make sure you're taking the right amount if you need it.

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Funny, every primary care provider in my country recommends you take Vitamin D, usually pretty huge amounts

Could be because we get barely any sunshine between like October and February. I'm talking 6 hour days, and even those mostly cloudy.

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I take vitamin D about 5 months out of the year. Stupid fall back daylight saving time is part of it. Makes me furious my already battered mental health has to get worse from changing the clocks.

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lemm.ee

Hi-resolution audio, especially for streaming. The general idea is that listening to digital audio files that have a greater bit depth and sample rate than CD (24-bit/192Khz vs 16-bit/44.1 KHz) translates to better-sounding audio, but in practice that isn't the case.

For a detailed breakdown as to why, there's a great explanation here. But in summary, the format for CDs was so chosen because it covers enough depth and range to cover the full spectrum of human hearing.

So while "hi-res" audio does contain a lot more information (which, incidentally, means it uses up significantly more data/storage space and costs more money), our ears aren't capable of hearing it in the first place. Certain people may try to argue otherwise based on their own subjective experience, but to that I say "the placebo effect is a helluva drug."

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alephreply
lemm.ee

Up to a certain point, yes. >192k AAC / OGG / Opus sounds just as good as FLAC in a blind test, though. Even with good equipment.

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kbin.run

Yeah, I'm thinking of circa 2000 MP3s. 128k was the good stuff and lower was still common.

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Back when a 4 minute song was like 1.5MB so you could fit more music on your 256MB mp3 player because you could not afford an iPod.

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Oh yeah. 128k rips from back then were rough. MP3 has gotten somewhat better since then, to be fair. V0/V1 VBR is still perfectly fine to listen to; it's just not as efficient as the newer codecs.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

which, incidentally, means they use up significantly more data/storage space and cost more money

All of this is very true, but this is the only issue I really disagree with here.

I am in an era where a good quality rip of a movie can be almost 50 gigabytes by itself. That means for every terabyte of storage, I can store just 20 of movies of this size.

Don't even get my started on television series and how big those can balloon to with the same kind of encoding.

An entire collection of FLACs, thousands of albums worth, is still less than 500 gigabytes total, in other words half a terabyte. (My personal collection anyway)

I mean, the average size of one of my FLAC albums is around 200-300 megabytes. Even with the larger "hi-res" FLAC files you're still not getting as obscenely big as movie and television files.

Sure, it takes up more space than an MP3 or a FLAC properly encoded to CD standards (my preferred choice, for the reasons outlined above), but realistically, the amount of space it takes up compared to those is negligible when compared to other types of media.

Storage and energy to operate storage has become incredibly cheap, especially when you're dealing with smaller files like this.

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alephreply
lemm.ee

This is true, especially if you are storing files locally. However, even compared to "CD quality" FLAC, a 24/192 album is still going to be around three times larger (around 1GB per album) to download. If everyone switched over to streaming hi-res audio tomorrow, there would be a noticeable jump in worldwide Internet traffic.

I'm personally not ok with the idea of bandwidth usage jumping up over 3x (and even more compared to lossy streaming) for no discernable benefit.

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I’m personally not ok with the idea of bandwidth usage jumping tenfold for no discernable benefit.

An extremely reasonable position to take! Because even if the increase in energy usage is negligible locally, when widespread, those small chunks of energy use add up into a much larger chunk of energy use. Especially when including transferring that over an endless number of networks.

I always talk about this in regards to automobiles and manual roll-up/down windows versus automatic windows. Sure, it's an extremely small amount of energy to use for automatic windows on a car, but when you add up the energy used on every cars automatic windows through the life of each and every car with automatic windows and suddenly it's no longer a small number. Very wasteful, imho.

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lemmy.ml

50 GB for a BRD rip is one that is not re-encoded, that’s a straight rip from the disk.

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50GB for the simple dual layer discs. You can theoretically reach 100GB with triple layer disks. The largest BDRip I have is 90GB for the Super Mario Bros. Movie.

Edit: UHD Blu-ray only supports dual and triple layer disks, not quad. Quad layer discs do exist though, with up to 128GB of capacity.

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greenskyereply
lemm.ee

I've always kinda wondered about this. I'm not an audio guy and really can't tell the difference between most of the standards. That said, I definitely remember tons and tons 'experts' telling me that no one can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p TV at typical distance to your couch. And I absolutely could and many of the people I know could. I can also tell the difference between 1080 and 4k, at the same distances.

So I'm curious if there's just a natural variance in an individual's ability to hear and audiophiles just have a better than average range that does exceed CD quality?

Similar to this, I can tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps, but not 60 to 120, yet some people swear they can. Which I believe, I just know that I can't. Seems like these guidelines are probably more averages, rather than hard biological limits.

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It's a fair question. Human hearing ability is a spectrum like anything else, however when it comes to discerning the difference in audio quality, the vast, vast majority of people cannot reliably tell the difference between high-bitrate lossy and lossless when they do a double blinded test. And that includes audiophiles with equipment worth thousands of dollars.

Of that tiny minority who can consistently distinguish between the two, they generally can only tell by listening very closely for the very particular characteristics of the encoder format, which takes a highly trained ear and a lot of practice.

The blind aspect is important because side-by-side comparisons (be they different audio formats, or 60fps vs 120fps video) are highly unreliable because people will generally subconsciously prefer the one they know is supposed to be better.

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I think this is the case where certain people simply can't see it here the difference.

I collect video game and movie soundtracks and the main difference I can hear between a 320kbps VS a FLAC that's in the 1000kbps range is not straight up "clarity" in the sense that something like an instrument is "clearer" but rather the spacing and the ability to discern the difference where instruments come from is much better in a Hi-Res file with some decent wired headphones (my pair is $200). All this likey doesn't matter much though when most users stream via Spotify which sounds worse than my 320kbps locally and people are using Bluetooth headphones at lower bitrates since they don't have better codec compatibility like aptX and LDAC.

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i think hi res is for professional work. If you're going to process, modify, mix, distort the audio in a studio, you probably want the higher bit depth or rate to start with, in case you amplify or distort something and end up with an unintended artefact that is human audible. But the output sound can be down rated back to human levels before final broadcast.

O couse if a marketing person finds out there is a such a thing as "professional quality". . . See also "military spec", "aerospace grade"

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lemmy.world

It's for all the pets at homes hearing the same audio, now with original insects and birds outside and mice in the walls.

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alephreply
lemm.ee

True. There's something to be said for pleasuring any passing bats who might be in the vicinity.

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A lot of it will depend on your output device; cheap headphones will wreck audio quality.

I remember the bad old days when .mp3 files for streaming were often 128kbps (or less!); I could absolutely hear audio artifacts on those, and it got significantly worse with lower bitrates. 320kbps though seems to be both fairly small, and I can't personally tell the difference between that and any lossless formats.

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Right you are, but don't start telling everyone so I can't silently download my lossless albums from Tidal, Deezer and Qobuz anymore.

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Blue light filter on glasses. When I got my glasses, the lady said they come with blue light filter for free, and I said, “I don’t want that, my job requires that I see colors accurately, so I can’t have any sort of color filter.” She said don’t worry, it doesn’t filter any colors. Ok, then what the fuck is it exactly?

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lemmy.world

I have a couple from the hip actually, because America has grifting baked into it's soul. In no particular order:

  • MMS (Drinkin' bleach)
  • Crystal healing (most sellers)
  • WitchTok kits (TikTok influencers selling expensive spices)
  • Brain pills
  • Any product peddled by a megachurch (see the Baker bucket for a great example)
  • Chiropractors

As more of these come to me, I'll try to expand the list.

Update: I can't believe I forgot chiros! They turned themselves into a religion at one point to try to dodge medical licensure laws.

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lemm.ee

I would say that a lot of stuff being peddled through tiktok and Instagram are scams. Those anti-5g dongles come to mind.

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lemmy.world

Anti-5g dongles? That's new for me, but I consume a lot of these grifts secondhand through a few podcasts I listen to. I might be behind.

Sounds like the bones of a good scam are there though, assuming the anti-5G conspiracy still gets traction and clicks.

Edit: Do you know if someone like bigclive got one? He takes those sorts of devices apart a lot to explain them and I'd love to see what's inside. I just don't want to pay the money for one to fund the grift.

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There is a good few videos on them, it has died down significantly since the whole 5g panic went away. Some of them were just some clear USB keys, some were just stickers. Mr. Whosetheboss did a video on them.

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Idk about prevagen but my opthomologist definitely said any generic of preservation is very good, and artificial tears with flax seed oil will definitely relieve dry, itchy "sandy eye" feel. Idk if he really believes that or not but I thought I'd give some drops a try. Last time I tried artificial tears, it burned like soap so I hope it's not a waste of money.

Oh I looked it up, there may (study funded by the industry) be a basis for that. Medical News Today

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HelixDab2reply
lemm.ee

Any product peddled by a megachurch (see the Baker bucket for a great example)

Some megachurches have sold freeze-dried prepper food. It's not a grift per se, because it's perfectly edible freeze dried food, but it's overpriced for what you're getting.

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You're right, but I was thinking of the buckets that are basically terrible quality slop that's borderline inedible.

I might still call it a grift because they're asking for payment as "donations" to skirt paying taxes on them. That, and like you said, it's not a great value for what you get. Maybe not pure snake oil, but there's definitely still enough dishonesty involved imo that I'd be comfortable calling it a grift.

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swg-empire.de

Anti virus software. To protect your computer let's constantly run this software with root privileges!

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lemm.ee

I remember mcAffee webadvisor came preinstalled with a crappy asus vivobook i got when i was younger, i could not delete it, i had to manually remove the files from the programfiles folder but it reinstalled itself every time it updated, the laptop bricked itself recently anyway so it doesn't matter.

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Shampoo and conditioner with vitamins in it.

Your hair is dead. It can't metabolize anything.

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lemmy.world

I don't know anything about how it works, but I assumed it was absorbed by the skin on your head not the actual hair.

I still doubt that putting vitamin whatever on your head everyday will actually make a difference

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Yeah but you gotta remember "vitamins" is just a dumbed down term to refer to fats and compounds. It's not actually like food or anything nourishing for the hair. Like a lot of haircare stuff has vitamin e in it, which is supposed to help protect hair from hot blow drying damage and also make it shiny. A lot of the stuff is also moisturizers for your scalp.

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Vitamins yeah that's no good.

Things like fruit, honey, or flowers must be good though right?

I mean, my wife's honey pomegranate and hybiscus body scrub must be amazing with all that fruity yummy stuff.

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PH numbers in any hair washing/conditioning product that gets rinsed out.

You end up with the PH of the water, people.

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Any "quick fix/all-in-one" fitness or nutrition solutions. While there are minute optimizations for elite athletes, 99.99% of the population can adhere to the general consensus of nutrition and health science.

  1. Do something that gets your heart rate up for at least 30 minutes a day. Speed walk, bike, row, shoot hoops, jump rope, doesn't matter, just get your heart pumping hard for at least half an hour a day.
  2. Roughly a third of your food should be fresh leafy greens & veggies. A third should be whole grains and unprocessed starches and sugars like sweet potato and fresh fruit. The final third should be a protein. Lean meat like fish or chicken, or if you're veg/vegan, beans, tofu, seeds, peas, etc.
  3. To build strength, general bodyweight exercises combined with stretching is fine for most people. If you wanna get really strong, get a few kettle bells or adjustable dumbells on the used market for $50-$100. You don't need an expensive fitness club membership or one of those all-in-one $2,000+ fancy machines that mounts on your wall.
  4. Don't drink often, don't smoke, don't pound stimulants like caffeine or nicotine.
  5. Brush your teeth well.
  6. Get 6-8 hours a night of good quality sleep.
  7. Keep your brain engaged, read, play music, play games, learn a language, etc.

I'm speaking from experience, because I have fallen for stuff over the years that promised fast results and optimal methods with minimal effort. Fact is, unless you're training for the Olympics or you have very specific heath conditions, those basic bullet points will cover the vast majority if general health and fitness.

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I agree with almost everything you said, except I wouldn't advocate for people including stretching as a regular part of exercise. Despite what people tend to think, there isn't really evidence to support broad general benefits of stretching. Obviously, if you are a gymnast or another type of athlete with specific needs for range of motion beyond what is "normal", go for it. It may not hurt, but it is likely a waste of time, and if you are constrained in the amount of time you can spend on exercise, you should spend that time doing things with well established benefits, like weightlifting.

The other thing I want to add on (again cause I agree with what you said) to the diet part is that people probably shouldn't trust products like Athletic Greens to "count" as their daily vegetables, despite their marketing. I haven't been able to find good research on it that wasn't funded by them. Also, just more generally, I'm skeptical of the purported benefits of juice and smoothies. Again, it's hard to find good studies on it, but much of the benefit of fruit and veggies is in the fiber and resulting delayed digestion, so it stands to reason that the processing removes some of the benefit.

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If you want to get really strong, you might want protein and creatine supplements to speed up your progress, but even that's not necessary and they only speed things up a little.

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HelixDab2reply
lemm.ee

one of those all-in-one $2,000+ fancy machines that mounts on your wall.

Actually about $4000 to start, plus the cost of the weight plates, bars (I prefer Ivanko), Iron Grip dumbbell sets, and so on.

In almost all cases, it's cheaper to have a gym membership at a decent hardcore gym.

There are a lot of things you simply can't do with bodyweight alone. And you can't do it with just a couple kettlebells and adjustable dumbbells either. Having a lot of strength and muscle mass when you're young is a very strong predictor of health in old age, since past the age of about 40, people just start losing mass and strength; the more you have before that, the better off you are.

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I said $2,000+ to encompass even more expensive machines/setups.

I never said bodyweight or a kettlebell set could provide exercises for every possible movement or strength vector.

I said that the vast majority of people don't need anything more than those to build a healthy level of fitness. And given that the average cost of a gym membership in the US is around $50 per month, after a few months, their used kettle bells or simple dumbell set has already paid for itself.

And weights last basically forever unless they are severely damaged, so zero maintenance cost.

Nothing wrong with going more hardcore if that's your thing, but that's not at all necessary to build a solid base of strength and general fitness.

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PunnyNamereply
lemmy.world

The problem is thinking anything cures the cold or flu. Once you have either, you have it until it runs its course. The only way to cure either would be to completely eliminate them or how they function in the body with medicine that doesn't currently exist.

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There are a number of antiviral medicines, some of which work against influenza A and B. I'm pretty sure these are prescription medications in Canada.

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This is a common misconception of the placebo effect. The placebo effect is a measurement issue, not an actual benefit.

Tests are corrupted by using the reposnes and judgement of humans. People will say they had some sort of benefit because of expectations, poor recollection and politeness. It doesn’t mean a benefit was gained. A placebo group allows researchers to quantify how much the placebo effect has on the data they gathered, they can then see if the experiment they did had any effect. Placebo is literally our definition of zero effect.

Anyone telling you placebo is a good thing is wrong, misinformed or deliberately misleading you. In many countries it is illegal for doctors to prescribe ‘placebo treatments’. They will still recommend such things to their patients - not because they work but because they get the patient out the door and less likely to come bother them again.

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mander.xyz

Not really "modern day" snake oil when it was invented in the 1700's lol.

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As long as it continues to be sold on store shelves, it's modern enough to count.

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Anything sold by Gwyneth Paltrow in her online shop, which I will not name here so as not to promote it. In the best case, goods sold there will be harmless and entirely useless. In the worst case, they will cause serious harm.

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AI, particularly in how the likes of microsoft are marketing it to businesses.

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Cleanses. You don't need a cleanse if you have a liver and kidneys, and if you don't you need dialysis.

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Software/game DRM/anticheat (as a service/product) that involves code obfuscation and/or kernel driver.

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Not "snakeoil" per say; employers will care about your history of education: but as an aspiring computer engineer currently in CC looking to move to a university, I've learned exactly 0 useful things at community college. Outside of the piece of paper you get at the end, it's all useless busywork, testing how much bullshit you can put up with. Everything useful I've learned in life has been for free, provided kindly by passionate communities. Hopefully this changes in university.

I think the value employers place in modern education in the United States is snakeoil, however.

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Full Self-Driving: For sure next year... maybe.

"Artificial Intelligence": CEO's create a copy of themselves in a computer, creating an expert bullshitter program.

Customer Service: Most pre-recorded phone loops are actually built to try to frustrate people into giving up and not getting their issue resolved. Further, they record calls not because they care about your experience, but so they can collate tons of data to further exploit you and their workers. CEOs have purposefully insulated themselves from ever directly having to deal with a customer and hide behind "well we didn't tell employees to break the law!" while demanding employees hit numbers that... aren't... possibe... without... breaking... the... law.

If it's from a corporation and the PR says its to "benefit consumers" it's fucking Snake Oil, by default.

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Tesla driver here.

When I first heard the announcement that they were going vision-only, I thought ah shit they're boned.

I replied on maybe a Reddit thread (?) that there was no way it'll work up north in any kind of snowy conditions, and people called me an idiot etc

Fast forward a few years later, when I got to experience it first hand. Anytime I drive the car at night, warnings pop up on the screen like "front left camera is blocked or blinded" Cue Surprised Pikachu. In the snow, sometimes it can't even detect a road.

I tried the free trial of FSD and, while it's a neat gimmick, I think I was able to make maybe one or two short trips (2km) without needing to disengage it.

It was really bad

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Full Self-Driving

Any idea that comes out of that prick's mouth is snake oil if we're going to be truthful about it.

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I just had the one month trial, it worked pretty well, but it's too tentative. Like supervising a teenage driver.

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Organic food versus GMOs. I think big farma is in on the organic food prices and put false narratives about the dangers of gmo foods.

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fedia.io

CBD oil. It doesn't matter which exotic ailment you're talking about, someone will ask you if you've tried it and that they think it might help.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Also, CBD honestly needs the same warnings as Grapefruit since it works on the same metabolic pathways and can decrease effectiveness of certain drugs.

...like my cancer drugs.

If your drugs say to avoid grapefruit... You should probably consider skipping CBD as well.

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sopuli.xyz

CBD does ... something. It makes me sleepy. So at least for some people it can serve as a sleep aid.

Not to me though I just tried it out of curiosity, I have no desire to be even more sleepy

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dotslashmereply
infosec.pub

In this case I would doubt it, since it was sold in the Swedish market, where THC is illegal. It could however have been some bullshit of some other kind.

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this is the first thing that came to my mind too….
there is some medicinal value to it, but usually not what they claim it to be, and usually not in the form that it’s in….

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Crypto. Most LLM based AI. 80-90 percent of the startup world after 2009.

Anything related to toxins or detox. Keto and Carnivore diets.

Most online college programs.

Those vibram finger shoes and barefoot running. Most gym memberships; honestly half of the gym bros need to diet more than they need to slam weights and HIIT

Probably ozempic, since people going off it immediately balloon back up

I've wondered for a long time what the long term impacts of aggressive teeth bleaching are on enamel, too, but not sure if I'd call that snake oil; it works entirely as intended

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mander.xyz

Vitamin and mineral supplements. You only need supplementation if you have a specific deficiency, and deficiencies are not extremely common. Most people who take supplements do not need them and are just peeing out all the extra things they're putting in their bodies while shelling out ridiculous prices to "natural remedy" companies.

If you think you have a deficiency, explain why to a doctor. A blood test to know for sure is simple. A doctor will know what kind of supplementation would best serve you, and there may be an underlying reason that can be treated to fix it. Also eat some god damn vegetables you fat little piggy

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discuss.tchncs.de
  • Except vitamin D, deficiency is very widespread
  • And iron for most women
  • And sometimes magnesium for sports (which we should all do)
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The same goes for pregnancy, where you essentially gain a deficiency because you're building another person inside you.

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HelixDab2reply
lemm.ee

I'm D deficient. I took D supplements for a long time; m D levels never significantly increased.

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When you look at large-scale studies of OTC vitamins, you quickly realize that the absorption on most of them is very poor; they don't really move the needle very much. In most cases, you will be better off if you address vitamin and micronutrient deficiencies through diet rather than attempting supplementation.

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lemmy.world

If I don't take magnesium, I'll get cramps. While a lot of supplements are superfluous, I think you're overgeneralising.

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If you think you have a deficiency, explain why to a doctor. A blood test to know for sure is simple. A doctor will know what kind of supplementation would best serve you, and there may be an underlying reason that can be treated to fix it.

I didn't say "no one should take supplements ever," I said most people who take supplements are doing so unnecessarily, and you should do so under the supervision of a physician.

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absGeekNZreply
lemmy.nz

You may have a specific deficiency, but your story does not constitute data.

There have been many studies that have addressed this specific issue. Literally billions of dollars are wasted every year on these supplements. If you have a healthy diet, you are very unlikely to need supplementation.

This is the availability bias, because your experience is normal for you, you unconsciously think your experience is more normal than it is.

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fah_Qreply
lemmy.ca

Laughs at your healthy diet. Like Cheetos for vitamin C and vitamin A comes from Applebee's? God favorite fruit!

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Cheetos are orange and everyone knows orange has Vitamin C!

And an Applebees a day keeps the doctor away!

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IgnoreMereply
sh.itjust.works

Gaining significant muscle mass and strength through heavy lifting requires adequate protein intake. It is extremely challenging to build the muscle needed to squat two or three times your body weight without dramatically increasing your protein consumption. Attempting to lift heavy weights without the proper nutritional support can lead to extended recovery times, increased injury risk, and wasted effort.

Whey protein powder can be a cost-effective and high-quality source of protein for those engaged in strength training. For individuals who lift weights regularly, protein powder can be an integral part of their training program and is not simply a gimmick. The notion that protein supplements are "snake oil" because the average person may not need them is flawed logic. The same could be said for weight training equipment, which would also be considered unnecessary for the general population, despite their benefits for those who strength train consistently.

The key is matching your nutritional intake, including protein consumption, to your training goals and needs. Dismissing helpful protein powder as snake oil simply because they may not benefit everyone is an oversimplification. The appropriate use of protein powder can be an important part of an effective strength training regimen for those who lift heavy weights.

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I'd like to note in my top level comment I was referring to medically unnecessary vitamin and mineral supplementation. Protein powder is food and is not part of that. It's 100% necessary for serious lifters, but it's definitely also overused by people who are not serious lifters.

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Protein powder is a calorically dense food supplement, not a vitamin or mineral supplement

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Revan343reply
lemmy.ca

Is your brother also mad into lifting weights? If not, they have no need for protein powder

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Isn't there a limit of how much protein your body can absorb in a meal and the rest just gets metabolized/excreted.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Unless you're vegan, you're probably already getting more protein than you need.

Protein is needed for building muscles but most meatheads in the USA just eat all the protein and don't do enough of the exercise.

Only about 24% of people in the US aren't "overweight" to "obese."

Literally almost nobody needs this fucking protein because almost fuck-nobody is exercising.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States

For the following statistics, "adult" is defined as age 20 and over. The overweight + obese percentages for the overall US population are higher reaching 39.4% in 1997, 44.5% in 2004, 56.6% in 2007, 63.8% (adults) and 17% (children) in 2008,in 2010 65.7% of American adults and 17% of American children are overweight or obese, and 63% of teenage girls become overweight by age 11. In 2013 the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) found that 57.6% of all American citizens were overweight or obese. The organization estimated that 3/4 of the American population would likely be overweight or obese by 2020. According to research done by the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, it is estimated that around 40% of Americans are considered obese, and 18% are considered severely obese as of 2019. Severe obesity is defined as a BMI over 35 in the study. Their projections say that about half of the US population (48.9%) will be considered obese and nearly 1 in 4 (24.2%) will be considered severely obese by 2030.

What many US citizens need is portion control and regular exercise.

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Buttermilkreply
lemmy.ml

Seems like you just have an axe to grind about fat people. Protein is not the deciding factor in weight gain, calories are, so I don't know why you think a link to the wiki page about obesity would be convincing that protein powder is snake oil.

Even when you coincide that it is relevant you dismiss with little justification. Also BMI is not a great metric for individuals, many that have a lot of muscle are measured as overweight because there is a lot more to bodies that height and mass.

Can you justify why protein powder is snake oil in line with the other things in the thread? I will grant that most people have more than enough protein in a regular diet, but stats about obesity says literally nothing about if powder can help your workouts give the results you're hoping for.

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While the obesity part is kind of a digression, I think they were pretty clear: protein powder is a waste if you have a typical American diet and are not exercising, which is apparently most Americans. While protein powder on its own isn't snake oil, it effectively is for most people.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

My point was that people who are likely obese are busy trying to suck down protein shakes when they probably already have enough protein. Like I said, if you're in the USA and not explicitly vegan, you probably already get enough protein from your daily diet to build muscle.

When less than 25% of the country is a healthy weight, people don't need to build muscle, they need to lose weight.

I am fucking fat myself, maybe that's why I feel so strongly about this. America has a massive obesity problem and it's tied to our eating habits (especially overly processed foods... like protein shakes) and we're not going to find out way out of it by buying protein shakes.

The protein supplement industry alone is currently a $6.57 billion industry. Are you really going to tell me the only people buying them are that sliver of people with healthy weights?

If you're overweight and want to lose weight, you don't need a protein supplement. Yes, it's more complicated than calories in/calories out but the reality is and has been 1. portion sizes in USA are out of control, 2. the vast majority of the country have weight issues not muscle issues, and 3. Excess protein doesn't help you lose weight.

The less than 25% of the country that has a normal weight is not the source of the $6.57 billion dollar market cap of the protein supplement industry.

But sure, it's not that fatasses are focusing on the wrong fucking things, like protein. The vast majority of Americans like to think they would pump iron but most fucking don't and the evidence is that over 75% of us are overweight, obese, and morbidly obese.

Gyms would cease to function if all the people who paid for them actually tried to use them.

Finally, the men who suck these down are trying to look like men who suck down tons of steroids. Those results are not achievable with protein and exercise alone, thus making protein a snake oil to cover for steroid abuse. Steroid abuse is real and hiding behind this "you just need more protein" bullshit is a farce. The number of men who claimed to be gaining insane muscles while only "exercising and eating healthy" to only have it come out that they abuse the fuck out of steroids is too damn high.

See: Elon Musk's distended gut and man-boobs from sucking down steroids but not actually putting in the work of lifting. Joe Rogan's distended stomach is looking pretty rough these days, too.

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While I'm going to ignore your clear issues regarding other people's weight, there's 258 million people, if a quarter of them spend $100 a year on "protein shakes" there's your 6.5 billion, and now that number seems low.

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Jeroenreply
lemmings.world

You seem quite invested so I have a question. I have learned that protein fills more and therefore reduces appetite. Won't a protein shake be a relatively healthy option which reduces snacking and overeating of less healthy meals? This has also anecdotally been my experience but I haven't done it very much.

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I've had the opposite experience myself. Protein shakes keep me full for about as long as water. Protein rich whole foods are much more satiating for the same quantity of protein.

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Agreed, but just FYI, if you want minerals and vitamins, eat innards, more specifically liver.

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The current discourse around AI and how we are close from agi. Meanwhile we are just using machine learning... With a shit ton of gpus... All of that to approximate a math function.

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The core slikt of anti aging creams and other hydration products.

I can get like, one. But god damned, my wife has so many different products They can't all possibly be needed

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Not all, but a lot of coaches. Like the 23-year old just out of school "executive coach", or the "lifestyle coaches", "energetic coaches" etc.

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infosec.pub

The new age environment comes to mind, with everything from colonic washes to crystals.

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If you run a website: Paid SSL/TLS certificates. Free ones like Let's Encrypt and ZeroSSL are just as good, and can be automatically renewed.

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Agile Coaches.

It’s like having a cadre of political officers in your team.

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I mean isn't it obviously homoeopathy and a significant part of the rest of alternative medicine (not all of it I guess). It is a billion euro business in Germany alone.

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kbin.earth

The American "food" industry, the American "health care" industry, American politics, the prison industrial complex, the military industrial complex, entertainment, right off the top of my head.

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Absolutely. ETA: good to see you again. A happy surprise.

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lemmy.ca

Standing desks - stationary standing is just as bad as stationary sitting.

Blue light filter stuff - it's my understanding that there's no evidence that blue light causes eye strain.

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lemmy.world

I always thought the point of standing desks was, that you could periodically switch between standing and sitting. That should be at least somewhat beneficial right?

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tlebreply

It really isn't that much better, instead we should be periodically stretching or exercising

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No, the main point of standing desk is that whoever has one talks about them all day, every day. At least, that was my experience 10-15 years ago, which was the last time I spent in an office.

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Blue light filters may not help with eye strain, but I've definitely benefited from them for circadian rhythm reasons.

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airbussyreply
lemmy.one

Blue light filters can still be nice at night right? As the blue light can keep you awake.

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Same. I've the twilight app on my phone because my phones filter is shite. Same thing with f.lux on pc and my Lenovo tablet which only came out last year doesn't even have a filter. It just dims or turns things black and white which is fucking useless if I'm looking to read a comic or something.

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Standing alternating with sitting doing desk work does alleviate some tension and probably thrombosis. I won't say a lot, but it does help.

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sopuli.xyz

The blue light filters are hilarious because most devices already support night mode

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Norodixreply
lemmy.world

Sounds impossible. The way they turn the screen red is by reducing the blue light transmitted through the LCD panel. You cant turn the screen red and keep the blue light at the same time.

Unless its an oled screen. Then it is a stupid implementation. You could just reduce the blue light then.

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Blue light doesn't damage the eyes unless there is a burning amount of it (or a burning amount of UV), but people with bad eye focus may find it more straining to read things in blue due to the greater light scatter of the color. The solution is wear your reading glasses, I guess.

What really strains the eyes is focusing on close up objects for hours on end. American eye doctors everywhere have the 30/30/30 rule (every 30 minutes, look at something 30ft away for 30 seconds) as a "let your eye muscles relax for a bit" exercise for those of you always working on something up close.

That said, night filters are good just to help with your circadian rhythm, since the brain looks for a persistent abundance of a particular chunk of blue wavelength to determine "daytime".

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RBWellsreply
lemmy.world

I called my standing desk a dancing desk. Didn't just stand there. I don't have one now we are back in the office though, some people do but they are all short - I'm taller and it seems too odd to be looking into everyone's workspace.

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Yeah if your desk is stuck just in one position that's obviously going to be bad. Most 'standing' desks are actually height adjustable. You can spend some time standing some time sitting. But maybe even more important, you can adjust the desk to the right height rather than just adjusting your chair.

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illireply

You can at least move a bit more when standing at the desk. Also, my past boss was recommended one due to back issues by his doctor at one point

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I've definitely noticed reduced eye strain with using blue light filters.

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Standing desks can be really nice for certain applications, where stuff like a hotas would be too tall at a fixed desk. Or for getting up if you are feeling drowsy while working.

Or one of my favorites, moving a bowl of food as close to your face as possible for maximum laziness, haha.

(Though it also has benefits in space-constrained apartments, since a chair can fully fit under the desk when guests are over, you are cleaning, or playing VR)

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  • Alkaline water
  • Smart toothbrushes
  • Chiropractors
  • Yearly bug and pest deterrent spraying around exteriors of buildings
  • Self help books
  • Apps like Nerdwallet
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lemm.ee

Do you remember that influencer that started her day with alkaline water with lemon juice, the lemon juice being acidic neutralises the alkaline and makes it not alkaline water.

Those self help books just parrot the same things you would find in a wikihow article.

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Yearly bug and pest deterrent spraying around exteriors of buildings

No, this actually does something.

I live in an all-wood house. (Literally a log cabin.) I've had issues with carpenter ants. Spraying permethrin around the house, and on their trails when I see them, has largely eliminated the issue. It's a pretty concentrated solution, about 10:1, and has to be reapplied every few months (it does wash off, eventually), but it def. does the job.

You can get a less concentrated treatment for clothing if you're going to be in areas with extremely high levels of mosquitos and ticks.

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Yearly bug and pest deterrent spraying around exteriors of buildings

I wanted to add to this because it might catch someone else.

I live in a cedar cabin in the mountains. The wood is untreated on the inside. Cedar is not usually attractive to insects that eat wood, but, well... Every year since we moved there, we'd get small amounts of frass (chewed-up bits of wood) from insects eating the exposed roof beams (!!!) of our house. I would spray the beams with permethrin, a bunch of dead ant-looking things would be on the floor the next few days, and that would be it for the year.

This year I called an exterminator, since it keeps happening. He said that it wasn't termites (yay!), but thought that it was some kind of beetle. (Powder post beetles are a huge problem in our area.) He said we had two options: we could either fumigate the entire house (cost: about $10k, since the whole house would need to be tented), or we could paint all the woodwork in the hose with a 1:1 solution of Bora-Care and water. Bora-Care is a disodium octaborate tetrahydrate and glycerin solution, and should poison the wood for pests, without being toxic to people or animals once it's dried. (I may also have to drill the beams in inject a similar product in order to get deep enough penetration.)

This should be a one-and-done process; I should not need to repeat it.

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CBD oil. I bought some about 5 years ago and it did nothing but grease up my tongue

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AirUp/Flavored water companies

If you want orange flavored water, squeeze an orange in your water, damn it! You don't need a subscription service for some chemicals that taste like orange

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sopuli.xyz

In a somewhat metaphorical but nonetheless very real sense - most politics is effectively snake oil.

There's a set of people who exhibit a particular combination of mental illness and natural charisma, such that they feel an irrational urge to impose their wills on others, a lack of the necessary empathy to recognize the harm they do and the personal appeal necessary to convince others to let them do it.

There's another set of people who feel an irrational sense of helplessness - who want to turn control of their lives and their decisions over to others, so they can just go along with a preordained set of values and beliefs and choices rather expending effort on, and taking the risk of, making their own.

And just as in any more standard "snake oil" dynamic, the first group, exclusively for its own benefit, preys upon the weakness and hope of the second. Just as in any other such dynamic, the people of the first group make promises they have no intention of keeping ultimately just so that they can benefit, and the people of the second group continue, irratiomally, to believe those promises, even as all of the available evidence demonstrates that the promises are empty.

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Too cynical a take to be real.

The above happens sometimes, and is maybe more common among older entrenched politicians (that we have in spades right now with the aging out of one of the largest generations ever). But most of the time it's real people with real beliefs who want to change things. Governments are usually set up to change slowly, if at all, so often little seems to happen, but those gears do grind slowly based on how they're pushed.

So, your take is definitely a way to make it so the political class can continue to exploit people - you need more people upset and willing to change if you want to make a difference, not lots of powerless apathy.

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Altima NEOreply
lemmy.zip

I tried one if those weight loss food systems once. I'll say it's not really a scam, but if you knew what you were doing, you could do better.

They basically controlled what you could eat so that you ultimately consumed less calories so you could lose weight without having to count calories, or manage macronutrients. But it was also expensive and the food was terrible, and as you said, as soon as you get off of it, you go back to the way you were. ****

However, I do have to thank it for opening my eyes and helping me understand calories and macros a whole lot better. Not to mention proving to me that I could in fact lose weight, back when I thought it was just the way I'd be forever. Because then I started looking into why it worked and what I needed to do to stop buying that crap and eat real food again.

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HelixDab2reply
lemm.ee

Any [emphasis added] weight loss pill

Nope. There's one that actually works really well. It's called 2,4-dinitrophenol. It works by fucking up the way that your body makes/uses ATP; instead of being available for cellular respiration, it gets wasted as heat. It's like constantly doing cardio; you're burning tons of calories without doing anything. Users have reported losing up to seven pounds of fat--not water--in a week. The downside is that this heat can lead to hyperthermia if you take too much, and since the half-life is quite long, by the time you start seeing the negative side effects from OD'ing--about a week after you OD--it's way to late, and your brain cooks. Oh, and you're gonna sweat like a watermelon at a Baptist barbecue the whole time.

It was thought that it also caused cataracts, but that seems to have been incorrect.

It's been banned since the 40s, I think, as a diet pill, because people had a tendency to take too much and die. If you know where to look, you can still find it. I wouldn't recommend it for the overwhelming majority of people though.

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lemmy.world

Yeah, that's the thing. Weight loss by pill is only possible in a few ways. Diuretics temporarily cause weight loss. The only real options are drugs that decrease your food intake (like the new diabetes drugs), presumably drugs that could interfere with nutrient absorption (not sure if any of those are out there, but it seems like it would be sketchy), or drugs that increase what you burn.

People think that last category could be magic, but burning calories is called burning calories for a reason; it's an oxidation reaction, and it generates heat. There are a few others that also seem to really work, basically all stimulants: nicotine, caffeine, and methamphetamine (which is available by prescription).

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Amphetamines both reduce appetite and increase how much energy you expend. Oh, and they're also super addictive. So, yeah, don't use those. I was definitely thinner when I was a smoker, but I had much worse health.

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HelixDab2reply
lemm.ee

Honestly, the only people I know that use 2, 4-dinitrophenol (DNP) regularly are body builders, and they use incredibly dangerous drugs on the reg anyways, so a diet pill that can kill you if you fuck up is just par for the course. There ain't many old bodybuilders...

Here's just a brief overview of people that have died from it. Since dose is dependent on weight--2-10mg/kg of bodyweight per day, depending on a lot of factors--you can't safely buy pills as a one-dose-fits-all; you would have make your own capsules, and probably have a pretty solid understanding of geometric dilution.

So, yeah. It works. But it's Russian roulette.

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sobantoreply
feddit.de

Who do you trust more? Your isp, or a random vpn Company that not only own one vpn-service, but surprisingly many. (Nord security owns NordVPN and Surfshark, Kape owns ExpressVPN and Cyberghost). And wouldn't it be need if you, as NSA, would have a direct connection to the data people concerned with there privacy? It's not like their "no log" policy really exists if the have to write logs by law.

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Björnreply
swg-empire.de

But if you don't use a VPN with military grade encryption hackers can steal your money from the banking website that only uses military grade encryption!

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Considering Nord (and most VPNs, especially the ones that advertise themselves) are all owned by one company, who has a huge conflict of interest (they're an ad company) with VPNs to begin with.

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Dietary advice based on the food pyramid/MyPlate. Before the late '70s, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, obesity, and mental illnesses were all rare in the general population.

We need to be eating fewer carbohydrates, not basing our diets around them. We need to be getting most of our calories from fat, not demonising it.

Thankfully, we have people like Dr. Ken Berry, Dr. Chris Palmer, Dr. Anthony Chaffee, Dr. Georgia Ede, Dr. Shawn Baker, Dr. Paul Mason, Dr. Tony Hampton, Dr. Jason Fung, and others spreading this message.

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The latest Super Foods. Remember when coconut and especially coconut oil was called a super food and was all the hype, yet coconut oil is full of saturated fats (higher than in butter) and actually raises cholesterol levels when consumed regularly.

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Television. I cannot understand why anyone would willingly pay money to be advertised to constantly.

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I feel like there is legitimate uses for IoT and Ai but it gets shoved into everything where it isn't necessary.

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Jo Miranreply
lemmy.ml

How is IoT snakeoil? A great chunk of the world's infrastructure runs on IoT devices. Your electric, gas, and water meters are almost assuredly IoT if you are serviced within the US.

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estutwehreply
aussie.zone

Poor design and implementation. The S in IOT stands for security. So many devices connected to the internet that don’t need to be. I get that it’s cool to control devices from your phone, but why is it necessary to send data from the device to a company’s server so I can retrieve it with an app? I should be able to connect to the device directly from the app, across my local network, without having to send private data to the cloud.

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Thankfully. I do not need to tolerate the bullshit that Americans apparently have to.

As someone with deep experience in analysis of power sector, I can assure you that anything "smart" or "intelligent" will pointlessly increase cost to the final consumer, and margin for the owners of supply-delivery-chain. No exceptions.

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To be honest, the oil of a snake is probably pretty nutritious and would surely correct certain deficiencies

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Quite literal. The Chlorine Dioxide Solution scam came to me through a podologist a year or so ago. What makes this outstanding to me, it's they succeeded at having some academic backup, though, completely out of context. It's an absolute rabbit hole, you are warned.

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Most antidepressant usage. Many of those people do not have a chemical problem in their brain, they are just unhappy due to all the societal problems. You can't treat social problems with a chemical.

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Airfryers. It's just a convection oven, but smaller.

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lemmy.world

Tylenol (paracetamol).

Literally never does anything but make me feel slightly poisoned, and there is still no clear explanation of how it "works".

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sopuli.xyz

No.

Paracetamol/Acetaminophen is well understood, and an effective drug when used where applicable.

You are right in that nausea and abdominal pain are common side effects for some people, and simply means you should be trying something else. I've personally never suffered this.

Its ability to reduce fever is unclear, and even in high doses the difference it appears to make is minor. But for pain-relief there is no doubt as to its efficacy, though its effect is inferior to most other drugs available.

However, when taken together with ibuprofen, it provides pain-relief even more powerful than either drug alone.

If your problem is with the brand Tylenol advertising it like snake oil, then you likely have a point.

It can't relieve cold symptoms except for a stuffy nose or significantly reduce fever. It's basically just a very weak painkiller. I only ever take it if ibuprofen isn't doing enough.

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Lots of drugs and foodstuffs have biological effects we don't understand.

Medicine doesn't always work by looking at exactly how a molecule interacts with every other molecule in a living organism, but rather by simply observing the effects.

It doesn't kill, and it works for most people. Ok, it doesn't for you, that happens. But I can tell you for a fact it does for me.

That we don't understand how it works doesn't stop it from working, and that it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it's useless for everyone else.

I for one am happy I was able to buy paracetamol in addition to ibuprofen when I needed it to sleep during an extremely painful ear infection, because no over the counter drug on its own was enough.

If anything, public knowledge on what exactly it can and cannot do should be improved, as well as what side effects mean you need to look for something else.

I live in a country where there are strict laws regarding advertising of medical devices and drugs, so there's very little "snake oil" bs around medicines here. If you let them brands try to claim every mild effect an effective ingredient might have makes their product a cure-all for a litany of symptoms.

Asking a pharmacist for a recommendation is always a good idea, that's how I found out I could "stack" the painkilling effect of paracetamol and ibuprofen, and it worked extremely well.

Obviously, it would have been less ideal if like you I experienced side effects when taking paracetamol.

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Hey, I heard (but have no proof so you will have to find them) that it is less effective on some ethnicities than others. If you are in that case, you may want to take a look ?

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