And perhaps at one point they ate clay, so they would have been more reddish in color, or perhaps the dirt they were consuming was more reddish in color.
Googled it. It wasn't because of worms in general. It was from Vermiculus which is the diminutive of Vermis but also was how they called a very specific worm, at some point in time the only way they knew where to get red pigments from was by crushing this worm.
Given most of the US population lives between Massachusetts and Florida (so would likely have more of French exposure via English and history) , and the French influence in lots of English, it's a toss up.
I certainly learned the French vert long before the Spanish verde.
You're telling me you never encountered salsa verde before learning the French word "vert"? Even if true, I highly doubt that's the norm.
And I'm not sure why you think being on the East Coast matters. 13% of Americans speak Spanish at home, less than 0.4% speak French or Cajun at home. That's a ridiculously huge region you've cited that includes NYC where you're probably going to visit a bodega long before you learn "vert" and Florida which has major Spanish influence, just like the other two most populous states California and Texas. I live about 100 miles from the Canadian border in the west, so by your geographic argument I should encounter more French than Spanish, but Spanish exposure is way more common here.
Veridian Dynamics we can even make radishes so spicy that people can't eat them, but we're not because people can't eat them, Veridian Dynamics, Food. Yum.
Vermillion being red fucks a lot of millennials up who grew up watching Pokemon.
Vermillion city not being a shade of yellow is the standout because it hosts the Electric Gym (yellow themed). Every other city's gym is related to the town color.
::: spoiler
Rock Gym is Pewter city (gray)
water gym is Cerulean city (blue)
grass gym is Celadon city (greenish)
poison gym is Fuschia city (pinkish is commonly poison for pokemon)
the FIGHTING gym is in Saffron city (orange ish is a Fighting type color in the tcg)
Fire gym is on Cinnabar Island (bright red)
Earth Badge is in Viridian (an earthy green)
Saffron City was built with the fighting gym in place. Sabrina's psychic gym has JUST replaced him when you get to town
I feel that mindtraveller has not travelled far out of his cave, his mind, or in time.
And hilarity on "poorly made". Honestly, I'm a little stunned that people on the internet wouldn't recognise a comic so popular it spawned 5+ annual geek conventions in multiple countries. Oh, and multiple computer games, boardgames and a PNP RPG. Dear god, those two guys' legacy is so huge.
I'm just saying that recycling the poses and using stock expression components is some CAD tier laziness, the joke isn't funny, and the style is overly reliant on dialogue, which wastes the benefits of a visual medium. I'd rather actually read CAD, because at least then there's a chance of seeing a visual gag that appropriately uses the comic medium.
I'm not 70 and I've always known that Kong died by falling from the building since I was a child. You're right that you can't assume that everyone else knows that, though.
If those spoiler tags were universal, I would use them all the time. That's one thing I really love about another small forum I use, is that if I worry that I'm ranting, I can just slap a <details> tag on there and anyone who doesn't want to read six paragraphs about why A Certain Magical Index is ass doesn't have to
Fun fact: apparently vermillion is actually made from cinnabar, so there's no reason why Vermillion City shouldn't have been located on Cinnabar Island.
Verde is also green in Spanish. A quick translation tells me that in Latin it's Viridis which makes it make sense that it's similar in most Latin based languages.
I always feel like Portuguese is the romance language that hated their parents and refused to participate in any family activities. Like Latin is in the front seat yelling back "Cur non eritis sicut sorores tuae!" and Portuguese is in the way back going, "Pare de tentar controlar quem eu sou!"
People speaking Russian always triggers my Portuguese language processor, so yeah I'd say that's accurate.
Here's the thing about Portuguese: you can go from portuguese to other romance languages much more easily than the reverse. If you want to learn Italian, French and Portuguese, start with Portuguese.
Chartreuse is named after the liquour which is named after the monastary which is named after the mountains which is named after the village which is of ambiguous origin but likely named from a Gaulish tribe. So you're gonna have to rewrite an awful lot of history if you want to come after chartreuse.
I, for one, am willing to make this sacrifice. Specifically to say it's worth it for someone to rewrite a lot of history; I've got a thing going on so I can't volunteer for that even though I really want to darn.
It's named after the liquour, if you follow the chain of naming it goes beyond the mountains regardless but the color is named after the color of the liquour, not the colour of the mountains.
Isn't it yellow? 🤔 I vaguely remember Vermillion Town in Pokemon being yellow when played on a GBC. I've always associated it with yellow because of that.
Which generation? Cause in the OG games (other than Yellow), every town was a shade of either red or blue (depending on which version you had). The only town that was the same color as its name was Lavender Town IIRC.
Funny thing is that I used to be a bit envious of the kids who had a GameBoy Pocket in elementary school, despite owning a GBC myself. The Pocket was much thinner, used cheaper the AAA batteries, and had a much larger screen. The GBC had color, yes, but it was a downgrade in every other way.
The GBC was a new system with a whole host of new games that couldn't be played on the old one. Most notably Pokémon Gold and Silver. (And if you hadn't convinced your parents to invest in a power pack or at least rechargeable batteries then you were clearly unserious about Game Boy)
This is true. Probably should have clarified that I was speaking from the perspective of elementary school me. All your points are correct, but Gold and Silver didn't hit the scene until I was in Middle School/Junior High, which is a completely separate era of your life when you're young.
I have a fictional scenario I invented where a blind man is completely confused that “maroon” is a shade of red, not blue, given that it relates to the sea.
Vermillion (or more precisely vermillion) is the name of a fruit fly (Drosophila) mutant with bright red eyes (as opposed to wild type, which has brick red eyes). I always knew my genetics PhD would come into handy one day.
There's a wonderful game I played called crosscode, and one of the areas is called "Vermillion Wastelands" and everything is red. Also that's the first time I heard the word so can't relate
I was first exposed to the word from pokemon red/blue on the OG Gameboy, grayscale and all, and I think that's why I associate it with green, latin root word. Vermillion City, Ver... de?
Ver- words are often green because of Latin. "Verde" in Italian, "Vert" in French, "Verdant" in English
Yeah, except for vermilion which comes from latin vermis and means worm.
Vermillion is such a pretty word to mean worm colored...
I guess a worm can be cute if you give it a bow to wear.
But worms are brown.
Actually worms are transparent but they eat dirt, so they're brown.
There are plenty of pink and red worms out there. And grey. And some green. A few blue.
And perhaps at one point they ate clay, so they would have been more reddish in color, or perhaps the dirt they were consuming was more reddish in color.
Googled it. It wasn't because of worms in general. It was from Vermiculus which is the diminutive of Vermis but also was how they called a very specific worm, at some point in time the only way they knew where to get red pigments from was by crushing this worm.
Same as vermicelli. Pasta that looks like vermin/worms.
Also "verde" in Portuguese, but red is "vermelho"
Verd/vert is the prefix. You can’t just cut off the last letter.
Verily.
Yeah and million is for dollars which is green.
in portuguese vermelho is red tho lol
Probably because it's similar to verde
Much more similar to "vermelho" which is "red" in Portuguese
Vermiglio is also red in italian, maybe verdaccio
I mean, why would the other two spend three or more syllables on a primary color, anyway?
this is why Italians have to speak so quickly, and supplement their words with gestures.
Why use many noise when few noise do trick?
Like blu-u-u?
Rojo is Spanish for red. Bermellón is Spanish for vermilion.
Yup. My first thought, "Because it sounds like verdant."
That seems to be the verdict so far
Yes, verde good.
Also sounds like chameleon, which are most commonly pictured in green.
naw, its the french poisoning your mind
green in french is vert
For those of us in the US, we're more likely to encounter the Spanish "verde."
Given most of the US population lives between Massachusetts and Florida (so would likely have more of French exposure via English and history) , and the French influence in lots of English, it's a toss up.
I certainly learned the French vert long before the Spanish verde.
You're telling me you never encountered salsa verde before learning the French word "vert"? Even if true, I highly doubt that's the norm.
And I'm not sure why you think being on the East Coast matters. 13% of Americans speak Spanish at home, less than 0.4% speak French or Cajun at home. That's a ridiculously huge region you've cited that includes NYC where you're probably going to visit a bodega long before you learn "vert" and Florida which has major Spanish influence, just like the other two most populous states California and Texas. I live about 100 miles from the Canadian border in the west, so by your geographic argument I should encounter more French than Spanish, but Spanish exposure is way more common here.
I live on the east coast and took French for many years since I also lived in Canada. I’ve only heard of verde. No I didn’t do well in French class
We also have "vermeille" in French
No mention of viridian, a blueish green, in these comments, I see.
Viridian sounds like it should be a red
Viridian sounds like a character in a YA fantasy novel.
Ah, then you might be thinking of vermillion, which is an orangey red.
Childhood? Surely not, VVVVVV came out in 2010. That was basically yesterday.
Yes, childhood. I was, like, 8.
No no, people were children before the late 2000s. It can't possibly be that an entire generation has grown up since I left high school.
Wait til you hear what they call 'classic rock'....
God, and you're a full-blown adult now, fuck me.
Spelled different, but seemed relevant.
I looked up "veridian" and found out it's spelt "viridian" so maybe that's the true Mandela effect at play here!
Yeah, I was going to say it might be because people associate it with veridian, but I'm late to the party.
colorblind people are like, "yeah, totally."
Can colourblind people not see the words either?
this is what colorblind people see every day
They find diamond every day? Lucky people
Well the most common type of colored blindness is red green color blindness.
And apparently diamonds are blue.
So yeah
Lol good point :D
Vermillion being red fucks a lot of millennials up who grew up watching Pokemon.
Vermillion city not being a shade of yellow is the standout because it hosts the Electric Gym (yellow themed). Every other city's gym is related to the town color.
::: spoiler
Saffron City was built with the fighting gym in place. Sabrina's psychic gym has JUST replaced him when you get to town
:::
Gotta respect the spoiler warning for a game/show that's almost 30 years old
This is a pretty poorly made comic but I'll take it seriously and say that unless brown hair guy is 70, black hair guy's argument sucks.
Lol, this comic is 19 years old. I suggest you tell the artist that it's poorly made, so he can have a laugh:
https://www.penny-arcade.com/
I feel that mindtraveller has not travelled far out of his cave, his mind, or in time.
And hilarity on "poorly made". Honestly, I'm a little stunned that people on the internet wouldn't recognise a comic so popular it spawned 5+ annual geek conventions in multiple countries. Oh, and multiple computer games, boardgames and a PNP RPG. Dear god, those two guys' legacy is so huge.
And who could forget dickwolves?!
I'm just saying that recycling the poses and using stock expression components is some CAD tier laziness, the joke isn't funny, and the style is overly reliant on dialogue, which wastes the benefits of a visual medium. I'd rather actually read CAD, because at least then there's a chance of seeing a visual gag that appropriately uses the comic medium.
I'm not 70 and I've always known that Kong died by falling from the building since I was a child. You're right that you can't assume that everyone else knows that, though.
it's not like it hasn't been referenced in dozens of other things. Once it's in a Simpsons episode, there's no excuse.
Although that Simpsons episode is 32 years old now...
you are a poorly educated child, I presume? who leans heavily on the spectrum?
It sounds like your intention is to insult me by saying I have a disability, is that right?
wow, calling autism a disability? what the hell is wrong with you?
I have autism.
I just hate long posts. People may not wanna read allat
If those spoiler tags were universal, I would use them all the time. That's one thing I really love about another small forum I use, is that if I worry that I'm ranting, I can just slap a <details> tag on there and anyone who doesn't want to read six paragraphs about why A Certain Magical Index is ass doesn't have to
You might be on a website of text, I'm in a hot tub of memes
Fun fact: apparently vermillion is actually made from cinnabar, so there's no reason why Vermillion City shouldn't have been located on Cinnabar Island.
I want a refund this s*** is unplayable
Can confirm. Also, Veridian being a shade of green doesn't help.
Verde
Vermelho
Edit: I've just read other comments offering more explanation than I did, but vermelho means red in Portuguese
Encarnado
I'm not a native Portuguese speaker so I wasn't aware of that particular way of saying red. Thanks for sharing!
Werd
It's because the ver looks like vert which is the french word for green
Vermont is derived from Green Mountain
So vermilion looks like it could mean a green million, which sounds like a funny way to say a million dollars.
Verde is also green in Spanish. A quick translation tells me that in Latin it's Viridis which makes it make sense that it's similar in most Latin based languages.
A fancy word for green in English is Viridian
It's actually the name of a bluish green pigment not just a fancy work for green.
Was all the rage with impressionists
Weren't they a Star Trek species that used to harvest your organs?
Vidian, close tho
No, vidiian
Vermillion also comes from Latin, Vermiculus. Mainly used in Portuguese as vermelho for red.
I guess green just has that veeerrrr kind of vibe.
It took me years to even realize Vermilion, Viridian, and Cerulean are hues of colour, not just cities in Kanto.
All of the cities and towns in Kanto are hues which is why the starter town is called Pallet Town :)
I'm learning it just now reading this comment!
I won’t let this build up inside of me
Let it all out
In Portuguese "vermelho" is red
I always feel like Portuguese is the romance language that hated their parents and refused to participate in any family activities. Like Latin is in the front seat yelling back "Cur non eritis sicut sorores tuae!" and Portuguese is in the way back going, "Pare de tentar controlar quem eu sou!"
Portuguese is what happens when you let a bunch of drunk sailors create their own language.
Funny because I have literally heard Portuguese called "Drunken Spanish".
I've heard it sounds like someone with a Slavic accent speaking Spanish
People speaking Russian always triggers my Portuguese language processor, so yeah I'd say that's accurate.
Here's the thing about Portuguese: you can go from portuguese to other romance languages much more easily than the reverse. If you want to learn Italian, French and Portuguese, start with Portuguese.
And some Slavic words have Latin origins. This guys explain it better:
[English subtitles btw]
https://youtu.be/N3Xp_CwkXnY
Aw, came here to say that and got beaten to the punch. Damn you, fast Portuguese speakers.
I feel the same sort of way about chartreuse. Can we just switch them?
Chartreuse is literally named after the green French liquor.
It's my favorite alcohol, and the color is amazing.
I will not accept this blasphemy
Chartreuse is my favorite color! >:| this is blasphemy
"a drink so good they named a colour after it"
Name comes from... Well, there's extra steps involved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartreuse_(liqueur)
Wait isn't chartreuse a board with cheese and meats?
You’re thinking of Chantilly. A chartreuse is a lady cartographer.
Ah, you're thinking of a chartess. Chartreuse is a long-neck avian fowl that's been burnt to a cinder
You're thinking cat lady. It's Charades.
Bar, charades is a game. You are thinking of charlatan.
A charlatan is a con-man, buddy. You're thinking of a Charmander.
Red and green should trade vermillion for chartreuse.
THANK YOU Chartreuse is the one I feel like should be a red.
I wonder if the mental association is due to people thinking of French colours:
Chartreuse is named after the liquour which is named after the monastary which is named after the mountains which is named after the village which is of ambiguous origin but likely named from a Gaulish tribe. So you're gonna have to rewrite an awful lot of history if you want to come after chartreuse.
I, for one, am willing to make this sacrifice. Specifically to say it's worth it for someone to rewrite a lot of history; I've got a thing going on so I can't volunteer for that even though I really want to darn.
Chartreuse is named after a liqueur, not after wine. It's literally green.
And vermillion comes from Kermes vermilio, a red insect used to make the pigment. What's your point?
My apologies, I didn't know this and stand corrected. I no longer think that one of your suggestions is stupid, I think both of them are.
Are you literate? The conversation wasn't about etymology. It was about words "feeling" a certain color. Specifically without explanation.
This is my platform when I run for public office.
Eh the chartreuse is originally the name of the mountain and it's got green trees on it 🤷
It's named after the liquour, if you follow the chain of naming it goes beyond the mountains regardless but the color is named after the color of the liquour, not the colour of the mountains.
Because "vert" is the French word for green.
I wish it was not a color at all. It should be a number.
Right after freemillion
Ver= green. Million= monayyyy
How to start a fight with an etymologist...
Just tell them that beetles are stupid
Hahaha hahaha, fine, dammit, take my upvote, DAD
Thank you son. Your support means the world to me. ((Hug))
Isn't it yellow? 🤔 I vaguely remember Vermillion Town in Pokemon being yellow when played on a GBC. I've always associated it with yellow because of that.
Which generation? Cause in the OG games (other than Yellow), every town was a shade of either red or blue (depending on which version you had). The only town that was the same color as its name was Lavender Town IIRC.
All of the towns for me were black and white...
I was still rocking a Gameboy Pocket.
Funny thing is that I used to be a bit envious of the kids who had a GameBoy Pocket in elementary school, despite owning a GBC myself. The Pocket was much thinner, used cheaper the AAA batteries, and had a much larger screen. The GBC had color, yes, but it was a downgrade in every other way.
The GBC was a new system with a whole host of new games that couldn't be played on the old one. Most notably Pokémon Gold and Silver. (And if you hadn't convinced your parents to invest in a power pack or at least rechargeable batteries then you were clearly unserious about Game Boy)
This is true. Probably should have clarified that I was speaking from the perspective of elementary school me. All your points are correct, but Gold and Silver didn't hit the scene until I was in Middle School/Junior High, which is a completely separate era of your life when you're young.
I never had red or blue; I had Yellow. My first gameboy was the Pikachu GBC that came with the game.
Yeah I always thought of vermilion as yellow too.
I thought that cinnabar was red.
Cinnabar is a red pigment. Quite toxic, so not really in use any more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnabar
I have a fictional scenario I invented where a blind man is completely confused that “maroon” is a shade of red, not blue, given that it relates to the sea.
Vermillion (or more precisely vermillion) is the name of a fruit fly (Drosophila) mutant with bright red eyes (as opposed to wild type, which has brick red eyes). I always knew my genetics PhD would come into handy one day.
No, it's yellow like Electric type.
Literally my thought.
Its because people confuse it for Viridian. I used to oil paint so these things sound similar.
i thought it was like a billion rats ...
It's clearly a million the word is right there.
well people also thought it meant green. and look what happened to them
... They all died.
As soon as I found out that Vermillion was red, the name of the tavern from Hello From The Magic Tavern made a lot more sense
I think you're having a Mengele Effect about the Mandela Effect
Well that can't be a good thing
I should go.
This better not be cats...
There's a wonderful game I played called crosscode, and one of the areas is called "Vermillion Wastelands" and everything is red. Also that's the first time I heard the word so can't relate
Bro, you never played pokemon?
I THINK THIS IS WHY I THINK VERMILLION IS GREEN.
It is infact why I think it is a shade of green.
Interestingly, vermilion (the pigment) is made from cinnabar, which is another location name in Kanto.
Oh Yeah. As a kid I never actually knew how to pronounce the word.
I've only played a couple, like sapphire and black/white. Never played the one that's from
Sounds like a Tolkien book to me.
Vert means green in french (the t is silent)
I was first exposed to the word from pokemon red/blue on the OG Gameboy, grayscale and all, and I think that's why I associate it with green, latin root word. Vermillion City, Ver... de?
This is exactly why vermilion gets me every time.
Verdant, verde, vermilion.
Chameleons are green. Verde is green. Vermillion is green 100%
So, like, chameleons do this thing, right, where they don't feel like being green for a bit =P
So I guess Vermillion is green maybe 90% of the time
I would be happy for it to switch places with Chartreuse, which feels strongly like a red word and is definitely not a bright yellow-green
Completely agree, came here to say this.
Chartreuse as well tbh, just the other way around.
You just need to drink more fancy alcohol and associate it with the liqueur it's named after.
I'm finding this out now from this post.
When people named flowers as 'Vermillion' I assumed the stems and leaves were some weird shade that I wasn't recognizing.
That's because you're a dog, and we can't see red.
I mean, they, you, can't see red.
I had a hard time reading the post since I thought vermillion was green so it took a couple tries
For me, this word is associated with red
I played too much "Sword of Vermilion" on Sega Genesis to have this particular issue.
Viridian, vermilion, and verdigris. That’s why it feels green.
I first learned the word from the Vermilion Flycatcher, which is a bright red bird
mandala effect
Or maybe deuteranopia
I feel the same way about cyan. It should be a shade of red damnit!
as a graphic designer this feels super wrong. especially since it's the exact opposite of red.
No no no, it's yellow because Pokemon.
Maybe you feel that way because green vermin are seen as ill