I don’t think Elon feels personally threatened. I think he feels hate and a misguided sense of heroism. If you listen to him speak enough, it becomes painfully obvious that he not only thinks he’s the most important person in the world, he also thinks he’s the smartest person in the world. Basically he thinks he can’t possibly be wrong, no matter how many experts who’ve dedicated their lives to the pursuit of knowledge in a field that’s new to him disagree with him.

That, plus the constant stream of right wing propaganda from his Twitter addiction, has convinced him that the acceptance of trans people will lead to the destruction of society. His brain is rotten to the core at this point. So he’s made it his personal mission to make trans people’s lives worse.

bullshit. cis- is a latin prefix that means "on this side of". So for example, the Roman region Cisalpine Gaul could reasonably be interpreted as "the part of Gaul that's on our side of the Alpines". The prefix trans- is the antonym meaning "on the far side". Transalpine Gaul was the part of the Roman empire on the other side of the Alpines. When related to gender, the only way cisgender can be read in any context is "their gender aligns with their sex". There is no way that could ever be reasonably be interpreted as a slur.

When you have a trans-something you have cis-something. It's how language works.

The only way for cisgender to be a slur is if you consider transgender a slur too.

Cisgender originated on Usenet in alt.transgender in 1994.

I Coined The Term 'Cisgender' 29 Years Ago. Here's What This Controversial Word Really Means.

https://www.historians.org/research-and-publications/perspectives-on-history/may-2017/tracing-terminology-researching-early-uses-of-cisgender

People on tumblr being really mad when they say cisgender doesn’t actually make it a slur ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ok, I'm going to be completely honest with you. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

Are you telling me that I made a shit comment? If so, please do say so because I'm gonna be honest: I am not sure about this comment and I've been thinking about deleting it ever since I posted it. I rewrote it like five or six times before until I finally got fed up with it and said "fuck it" and posted it. :|

EDIT:

So, according to all of you, I worry too much. Thanks a lot for the support, and I'm glad you liked my comment. ❤️

I'm afraid you are putting a lot of words into my mouth and making lots of assomptions about what I'm saying here. I don't really know how to answer to this because, well, you're debating against things I didn't say.

I'm calling you cis, because it's simply a descriptive term. You are white, you are a man, you are cisgender. That's not a problem. I'm white, I'm a woman, I'm transgender. That's not a problem. These, on their own, are simply descriptors. No one here is saying that you're a problem. I'm talking about people who specifically take offense to these terms, like Musk here does, like, if you tell this man that he is "cis", he will genuienly get upset.

amen.

i keep trying to be on the side of these people, but they keep telling me i'm a shit person because of my skin color, my gentials, my education, etc. and ironically.. most of these people are WAY more privileged than will ever be. I'm so sick of trans/feminist peopel telling me off that i'm a POS who got all the advantages in life... while they often got free-rides on the life train due to parental wealth and exploiting other people where as i had to struggle to get into college and pay off my debts and didn't get a tsate of this so called of 'privileged' until iwas well into my 30s. all the while being constantly harassed for not being a 'real man' and also 'being a man'. all i ever wanted was to be left alone to do my own thing... but no. the second i want ot empathize about being beating for my non-gender conformity, i'm told to STFU and that I'm 'stealing' or whatever, because apparently my expereince of my gendered life and gender violence doesn't exist or is all lies and falsehoods because i'm not trans, or a woman. and oh by the way, if it did really happen... i clearly deserved it because of the debt i own gender minorities or something.

like... ok i won't be on your side anymore then. i'll just leave you to your own bitterness and focus on folks who treat me well who aren't pathologically violent against anyone who is different than them and who take offense at every perceived slight.

I have never been excluded from truth seeking conversations because I am cis. Everyone likes an ally. Some people actually like them a little too much in my experience.

If you are in a queer safe space you should treat it like you are at your in-laws house. You don't need to be expressing every diverging opinion or challenging every cultural assumption. In my experience, if you are being met with hostility, it's because you are projecting it.

So, do you believe cis is a slur?

why not come out and make your point instead of JAQing off?

And I'm only, like, 98% joking about it also being the day I saw a headline on Lemmy about Wayland use overtaking X11.

I mean, honesty, there has to be some legally standing harm having been done or be possible. By a fucking billionaire tech mogul guy to a foundational, open, and free part of the tech ecosystem who also relies on fundraising.

Edit: on the other hand I’m waiting to be pounded by a reply about the logo being open source. Which it is. But you know ethics and tech and stuff.

It might not be worth challenging them, by the time it gets anywhere the current business will be gone. They always had little to no hope of paying off the $13bn loan Musk saddled the business with, now the business is worth less than the loan. Musk knows this, which is why he's trialling all sorts of dodgy shit on the platform, such as this and also the API charges.

Jesus, that's really fucking blatant, wow

It's just the generic unicode character, they wouldn't have a case.

The most critical component of "free speech" to a right-winger isn't just the ability to say whatever they want with no repercussions, it's also that an audience has to be forced to listen to them.

There are plenty of shithole places on the Internet where they can spout their transphobic, Great Replacement anti-Semitic shit all day long, but that's not good enough for them. They need a "lib" to be triggered.

Guys Im starting to think the guy who's only rich because daddy used apartheid slave labor may not have the best views on race

Yeah I suspect as much too. Nothing more than a passive and abhorrent form of violence imo.

Not to play down how absolutely terrible I'm sure Musk is as a father, but her mum's also loaded. That would certainly make the decision easier.

Where I live, I can be legally denied a job, housing, or medical care. If the cops wanted to, they’ve retroactively invalidated changed drivers licenses, so they could probably just arrest me for driving. I couldn’t access any form of domestic violence resource when escaping my marriage.

Some trans people are crazy assholes - just as some cis people are crazy assholes. But there is no system level oppression of cis people. Drama is annoying, but drama doesn’t mean you don’t get to eat.

"Cisgender" is no more a derogatory term than "heterosexual." It's simply a descriptor. It means your gender and biological sex are the same. That's all.

It's only derogatory to you if you feel that "cisgender" should be "normal" and thus not have a word. But we have a word for all kinds of things people might consider "normal." Sighted is a word even though being able to see is the norm. I'm sure you can use 'sighted' in a derogatory way. Maybe some blind people even do, I don't know. That doesn't make the word derogatory.

"Cisgender" is not the queer equivalent of something like "tranny."

Whenever I speak the Italian vulgar, I'm always talking to my homies in Cisapline Gaul.

Getting into fistfights > Learning a single vocabulary word ??

Wow. A VIOLENT snowflake. Daring today, aren't we.

Your position is great, all these kids are being warped by slander and pejoratives (as contextual), and nobody seems to care about manipulating all these new kids being grown up into a world that's burning down and their McDonald's meal will cost $26.99 next year with no jobs existing. But they're concerned more about gender and words and feelings than reality anymore.

Cisgender is straight up just not a slur though, it literally just means the opposite of transgender, which is also not a slur, despite the fact that it can be used with derogatory language or sentiments.

I think you're currently in a place where I was in myself many years ago. This is all assuming everything you said was in good faith. You see all of the pain and damage the -isms have caused (racism, sexism, etc) and it seems at first blush that if society simply disregarded the traits those -isms are based around, the problem would go away. There's enough truth in the idea to make it feel like a solution and, even if it's subconscious, it kinda takes the onus of action off of you and puts it on the people that that are actually racist or exist. I don't want to assume your political leanings, but I was farther right on the political spectrum than than I am now, and it fit well with my ideas about personal responsibility and limited government at the time...and I feel like it was regarded as common sense with everyone in that political sphere at the time. At the time, I was a 20-something cishet white guy (I'm still all of those things, except 20), and I felt like everything I had I'd earned, and I legit thought people could pull themselves out of the mire if they wanted it enough. I didn't like being grouped in with the -ists, but I also wasn't likely to call out a buddy for making an offensive joke.

That whole chain of thinking is deeply flawed, but it's an easy place to land, especially in middle-America. I feel like a good analogy that would have hit home with me at that point in my life would have been stories about places where Christianity was outlawed. I remember I had one of those old Christian comic books that were popular in the 90s about it. If you wanted to wear a cross, you'd have to hide it, you couldn't talk about being Christian or meet with other Christians (like a church service or prayer group) without having to worry about the law coming down on you. (Really makes me wonder where that infamous sense of persecution the right has comes from). At the time, I'd hear those stories and think, "Man, government sucks...it would be terrible to have to hide who you were like that." I think about those stories now and I think instead about not wearing the clothes you're comfortable in, not being able to get healthcare for legit medical diagnoses, not being able to have a club or group of similar people you couls safely meet with to build community around shared life experiences. The story about persucted Christians in some unnamed dystopia was also telling the true story of LGBTQ people in my own country. And women in my own country. And racial groups In. My. Own. Country. I never would have accepted the idea that those persecuted Christians would be OK if there just wasn't religion. Just like I know marginalized groups today won't be OK if whatever society deems "wrong" with them just went away. Societies have inertia, and without someone exerting some kind of force on them, they'll maintain their current trajectory. I came to see I didn't like my societies trajectory, so I started trying to change it, probably went a little too extreme in the other direction for a while, but eventually learned to just listen first. It's OK if I belong to a group (or several) that have been bad actors. It means I'm in a position to leverage my privileges to help change society's momentum. I grew up very poor, but I've got pretty much every other privilege society has to offer. I honestly don't know that I'd have been as fortunate as I am today if even one of those privileges was missing. Even with the deck stacked pretty well in my favor, it was a fucking fight to get here...and even now, doing so much better than most, it feels like barely hanging on some days. I agree that humanism is what we should be striving for, but I also understand that I'm part of a group that's done a lot of bad to a lot of other groups. I don't think it makes sense for me to be "proud" of any immutable part of my identity, but that also means I shouldn't feel personally attacked when people talk about that identity. Things like the whole bear thing would have probably bothered me in the past, but now it's more nuanced. I'm sad people feel that way, but I don't blame them, and I've listened enough that I believe them. Now the question I ask isn't "How is this fair to me?" but instead. "How can I use my membership in the group to help change its momentum to something better." Sometimes it's voting, sometimes it's canvassing or protesting, sometimes it's reaching out to someone I see a part of my past self in.

Cisgender is a descriptive term. If you have seen it in a derogatory context, then you should take issue with the context.

It is so strange to say that identity should take a back seat to humanism when every historical example of discrimination and dehumanization is based on identity. Identity in those instances is not imposed on oneself, but is used to define the outgroup that is being dehumanized. Identity politics is simply an honest accounting of groups that being descriminated against. When the discrimination ends, we see the group identity evaporate. We need only look at the early 20th century definitions of Caucasian, and the identity politics of Irish and Italian Americans subsequently evaporating when that definition evolved to include all Americans of European decent, to see that identity politics is a reaction to injustice and not the other way around.

agender

guess this is what i will tell people to call me now. because i don't give a shit that i have a penis.

100% agree with you. but sadly humanism doesn't incite people to team-based violence, so it's very going to be very popular. human beings very much prefer tribal thinking to global thinking.

The definition of cis is, "a person whose gender identity corresponds to their sex assigned at birth." Does you gender identity correspond to the sex you were assigned at birth? Mine does.

People made the same arguments about "heterosexual" and "straight", at least with the latter I could see why someone would see that as a slur (it's a term originates from animal farming), while "heterosexual" just describes someone is attracted to the opposite gender (go on, and use it as an "a ha!" moment against me by claiming it as a proof that even I know there's only two genders, like fundamentalists do with atheists saying "oh my god!"). "Cis" is just the opposite of "trans", even if Musk had the techbro-level idea of treating "cis" the same way most sensible people treat that "cool and funny" gamer word, he wants to say out loud in the public, like he used to do it in apartheid Africa.

CSI Gender. It's a spinoff taking place in the town of Gender, New Mexico.

No women allowed club, only bros

Because cis people are banned

I agree completely. The whole manufactured discussion about it it ridiculous. Conservative love to be able to point at social values and try to claim there is simply an opposite alternative fact that’s completely contradictory to it on the conservative spectrum. Did you notice when they normalized leftist?

if used descriptively it's not a slur.

if used to harass, intimidate, and demean, it's a slur.

Gender dysphoria, the psychological suffering caused by feeling like you are in the wrong body, is the disease. Being a trans person is not a disease, and using that as a basis for insulting or discriminating is inappropriate. Somewhat like autism is the mental disease but having autism is not a disease and it is inappropriate to treat a person as if it is the entirety of their existence. Way too often illness has been used as the basis of mistreatment and outright extermination. People have diseases, they aren't their diseases. We have introduced this notion from the fields of ethics in medicine and it's why a lot of things are no longer used in language nor in concept: the disabled, the retarded, the syphilitic, the autistic, etc. People aren't diseases and they aren't their disease.

If you knew a thing or two about the history of gender, you'd know that medicalization of gender is precisely one of the main historical roots to justify discrimination, criminalization and abuse towards trans people. Medicalization of gender has literally killed millions of people throughout history.

Believe it or not, your understanding is not essential. Unfortunately for you, truth is nuanced and not conveniently delineated. Just because you can't grasp it, doesn't make it a mystery.

Give me a break.

Cis people have received an inordinate number of breaks for the entirety of recorded history. You will never be killed for holding hands with the wrong person. No nation has a death penalty for expressing your love openly.

These snowflakes are ridiculous.

Don't use a bully rhetoric.

That should be the human race.

love the downvotes. never change, internet

I think it's okay for a queer app to focus on queer shit and not associate with a label which is overwhelmingly used to virtue signal being a bigot, that's not really an attack on equality.

I would also reject such a pull request. Straight folks aren't systematically shamed for being straight. They don't need pride to counter nonexistent shame.

A neofetch for pride flags?

What? How would that even work and why?

Isn't neofetch a tool to see basic stats about an OS and Distro?

Oh is it? My immediate thought was that it was Elon being childish and basically saying like, "if I can't say x slur, then I'm going to pretend it's the same as this clinical, scientific term to make a point."

Like that he thinks he's truly made an amazing satirical statement here or something...

Ok, got it

I bet all the conservatives are gonna be mad when they find out that even I have no idea if I'm truly male or not. That would make me genderqueer, which is a subset of trans. I mean, I do look very masculine, and use he/him pronouns, but my voice is a bit too... "gay", and I like wearing tight clothing and oversized sweaters with bucket hats (bonus points if it's a color that isn't even close to being associated with manliness, at least where I'm from, such as... idk, pink, and in the case of what I would wear, purple).

What's the percentage of cis in that case? 50%? Less? More? How would being aroace affect my het percentage?

The 1% see the working class as animals. They only care about creating wealth. They don’t want nonbinary, trans or gay people in society. That takes away from reproduction. It is the real reason behind the abortion bans and rise of far right in the world.

The Republicans have dumbed down education so severe the public doesn’t even recognize what’s happening. Everyone is too distracted on their phones to revolt.

The 1% have made a short term deal with white supremacists to attempt to return to the days of slavery. But they too will be consumed shortly after. America First lol. Everything and anything about us has been commodified for wealth extraction. First they’re coming for your inheritance and family home, then they’ll take the Social Security Reserve fund. The 1% use out of work lawyers and AI to control the narrative and nudge everyone where they want on social media. This has been a long time in the works but number go up brrr.

We willingly buy and carry spy devices constantly everyday, everywhere we go. They have amassed so much data on us it’s incredible. The amount of technology being used to spy on us is unfathomable to your average citizen. Snowden tried to tell us. The 1% know if they didn’t do something unions and mobs would come for them eventually.

The 1% were scammed by the oil barons into a false sense of security over oil and its effects. A near extinction event. The climate refugee crisis will be like nothing you can imagine. Water and food shortages for everyone, except the rich of course. Thing is, without the masses who is left?

I’ll elaborate further later

I don't understand what you mean by that.

Well, imagine being aromantic AND asexual at the same time. The former refers to experiencing no romantic attraction (so... no feeling of love outside of friends and family), the latter refers to experiencing no sexual attraction (so... the lack of a desire to have sex basically).

You need to have sex to have children, which is also something I don't want. Hell, I don't even wanna be married. Most people I know are mad at me for just that, let alone associating myself with the LGBT community for basically not wanting marriage and children... and also not feeling manly enough.

You learn new stuff everyday.

This is beautiful. Shutting down the discourse completely by virtue of being inarguably correct. I applaud this comment.

You illustrated the point better than I had the energy to do-- I simply don't care enough to be that eloquent because the majority of what I get is nonsense in return. So instead of wasting my time, I chose to take the lazy route and encourage people to come to a consensus on this one key point so that the point you made would become irrefutable.

Neither trans nor cis are slurs by default, but anything can be a slur if used in a derogatory manner-- I think some comedian had a bit about this, but I can't recall who and I'm sure even if I did there's a good chance someone would give me a nasty label for saying such comedian made a good point....

But the same people that say trans can be a slur, cannot deny in good faith that cis cannot be a slur. They are both simple classifiers with no basis on prejudice. But some people will still argue they are slurs simply because they are used prominently in derogatory contexts.

plenty of people get harassed, abused, and threatened for being cisgendered. you're a nut if you think being trans has some sort exclusivity on gender violence. both cis men and women have been threatened and labeled as threats due to their gendered conformity. being in a minority doesn't mean you get a monopoly on being treated like shit.

and when you hang out around trans communities, they very much do actively use the term as a slur, even against each other.

You can't be more wrong. A typical bigot.

You fucking squid.

Whitey is definitely a slur, unless you think referring to a black person as "blackie" is okay.

Do we or do we not respect people’s right to choose what they indentify as?

Yeah but if a person asks not to be called that but does not elaborate on why, then there's a chance that they may not identify as such and forcing that label on them is then potenttially misgendering them. There's plenty of closeted trans people living their lives pretending to be someone they're not.

Further, "cissy" is the inverse of that slur.