Spyke
lemmy.world

An invasive and life threatening surgery in a third-world country sounds easier.

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nxdefiantreply
startrek.website

If you're a woman on earth, there's a good chance having kids will be that too!

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Skullgridreply
lemmy.world

I tried to think of a comeback about how safe caesareans are, but then remembered when my wife said she started feeling faint during hers and the brick I shat as a response.

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I saw the suction containers during my wife’s C section. I wish I hadn’t seen the suction containers.

Also I went around to see the baby and basically saw them frantically stuffing my wife’s insides back in. At least that’s where my imagination went after 27 hours of labor and a brief glance at an emergency c section.

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lemmy.world

Free contraception, physical sterilization, and abortions for all who knowingly consent.

Elect me God Emperor of the world for life and I will ensure that no woman will have to endure pregnancy or birth and will be paid $100,000 for their sacrificing motherhood with permanent sterilization. Humanity relies on women for our future and no woman should have to bear that burden.

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Albbireply
lemmy.ca

Can confirm. Go to bed at 9pm and wake up at 5am... and 11pm to change a diaper and 1am to give a bottle and 3am for no reason whatsoever.

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qjkxbmwvzreply
startrek.website

Hopefully you end up doing a better job sleep training than us! Toddler does not go down without a fight.

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Our neighbors get their kid who’s a bit younger than ours down by 7. Ours stays up till 9 if she’s tired… sometimes 11 if she’s not…

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lemmy.world

That's the nature of the relationship right out of the box (so to speak). Part of it is distinguishing between "I really need something" and "I don't want to do this." Our youngest is 2 now and it takes time to get there, but he goes to bed at 8pm.

At first, you go to bed with them, on the ground and you let them cry it out. Once they get used to the routine, things will go much faster but that first week is tough. Routine is also the key. We do bath, reading, bed. Our oldest has snuck in there a bunch of items, but it's the same routine every night. Getting back to the sleep training, after that first week and they get used to it, you can start just dropping them in there, hanging out a minute, and walking out. This too will be met with protest at first, but you let them cry it out and it stops pretty soon after. Ours occasionally yells when going to bed at first, but most of the time we just hear him talking until he drops out.

Sleeping through the night takes time, but the main thing is to try to feed a lot before bed. Naps in the day shouldn't be too long either, but are still key to brain development.

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sushibowlreply
feddit.nl

There's a really nice article on sleep training over at the BBC. It's a long read, but the bottom line is that the research on sleep training effectiveness is sketchy at best. Sometimes short term benefits are shown, mostly for the parents (children still wake up, parents just don't realize). but it's very difficult to remove biases when people's children are involved. There also seems to be a large variance between children and what works for one will not work for all.

The good news is that in the long term it doesn't seem to matter much. Sleep trained or not, a large majority of children are able to sleep through the night at 20 months old.

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I've done it 3 times and our results work, but for each their own. I was just sharing how.

I have friends that have struggled though. A couple I know still have their 7 year old crawling into their bed every night. A different couple have their son showing up at 3am and gets them up.

Consistent lack of sleep can have detrimental effects both physically and mentally. We manage a good night's rest the vast majority of the time (sickness or other outliers being the exception).

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We actually hired two sleep training consultants. The second one after my wife was so exhausted we just wanted some hope. Neither was worth the money but the 2nd one felt the most like a ripoff.

My son is almost 4 now and has been sleeping a lot better for quite a while now thankfully. I think I have gotten enough brains back to finish my PhD.

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Yeah that didn’t work for me. Just made it harder on my “fall asleep on the couch from 12am until 3am then wake up and goto bed until work at 5:30am” routine.

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Heck, I’ll pay you to come play with them so I can poop without them wanting to climb all over me.

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sopuli.xyz

Yeah just fake it till you make it, set up alarm, go to bed at the right time.

Eventually it will be automatic you want it or not. 🙄

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Exactly this worked for me. Just be consistent until it sticks. It can take months, easily. But it works in the end. 10:30 pm - 6:00 am is now baked into my mind and I usually just wake up naturally like 10 minutes before the alarm. I actually love it 😁

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Historical I have always had trouble getting to sleep, and since becoming a parent I experience waves of easy and difficult nights. This has been the case for four years now. For a while here I was falling asleep in minutes every night and things were pretty good. But the past few weeks have been awful. I'll go to bed at 9:30 feeling ready to die, but most nights the last time I remember seeing on my clock was ~2am, and I'm getting up at either 4 or 6 for work.

I don't know what to do, but I'm still ready to die.

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lemmy.zip

Seems pretty drastic just to sleep better. Hopefully you had reasons for getting a dog other than to solve a sleep issue.

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Honestly, dogs are a full time commitment. Don't get one on a whim.

They might be a part of your life but you are their whole life.

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I miss my dogs so so much, but since I live alone and work ungodly hours these days, I don't see dog ownership happening again until retirement. As things presently stand, I cannot be the owner a dog deserves.

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Have almost a decade on ya and waiting for this to happen. I'm happy when I fall asleep at midnight.

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Same for me. Having a kid just cemented it completely, so now I never have that one day every leap year where I sleep long.

I became a real party pooper on New Years which sort of sucks though…

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Or a job that requires you to get up in the middle of the night. You'll be in bed long before 10 pm, even on the weekends.

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Currently up while my baby sleeps next to me. Some of us put the baby to bed and then lie in a dark silent room for two hours then wake up at 4am to feed the baby and are up 2 more hours.

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feddit.de

I know from my sis that having a baby messes your sleeping patterns up.

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Yup, but since they wake up like every couple hours, one of those is going to align with when you need to get ready for work.

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sopuli.xyz

It sounds fake, but it might genuinely be your genes. Scientifically the natural tendency to sleep at specific time is called your chronotype and it's semi-genetic (it also changes with age and possibly few other factors). Not only that, it also affects your alertness: morning people usually have the highest alertness just after waking up and it gradually declines throughout the day, while evening people usually wake up with very low mental functions, but then their alertness slowly rises and hits its' peak around 5-6PM.

So if you ever wondered how it's possible that you always wake up feeling like shit, while others talk about how they're so full of energy in the morning. That's how. They're literally built different.

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Could you point me in the direction of some source/further reading? I would love to have something substantive to share next time I get shamed for my lifelong struggle to become a morning person.

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I wonder if it's only the jeans, or if environmental factors also play a significant role and how big that role is relative to the role of genetics.

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Kedlyreply

Yeah, its still often a struggle for me to, but I just woke up at 8am today naturally on a weekend, so its slowly changing me over

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I know issue I have is going to bed early. If I can wake up early and sleep early, it fixes the cycle. Naps mess up everything

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Hence all the jokes about needing coffee to function... oh, those aren't jokes? People do sometimes literally need stimulants to function?

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it requires doing it over and over again and accepting that it's gonna make you feel kinda shitty. I'm at my best by 11am. When I used to work overnight til 5am, 11am was when I woke up. When I worked bars 5-close, 11am. Now that I work a 9-5, I'm physically there at 9, but I'm useless til 11am. When I fall asleep has changed as my schedule did, for each of those schedules I was in bed at 6am, 4am and midnight respectively. But when the machinery came online has never changed: 11am.

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Bobreply

I had an evening job from 2014 to 2016, so my lunch would be at about 22:00, and I still get hungry around that time as if my body's expecting a meal.

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How to become a morning person according to this thread:

  • Stop using drugs.

  • Use drugs to go to sleep.

  • Go to bed at 10.

  • Go to bed at 10 and fail to fall asleep.

  • Just wake up at 6.

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Eh, everyone's a little different, and for some it may well be impossible.

Real answer is conditioning, with most of the suggestions being means to get that rolling. The unwritten part is while you're conditioning youself, you're probably gonna be miserable for a while, unless you're one of us folks with a genetic legacy of farmers and soldiers.

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I've tried all of those suggestions, they worked but also didn't. Now my sleep schedule is so borked.

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sh.itjust.works

I know this is WhitePeopleTwitter, and not a direct ask; but the easiest way is to tackle it from the wake-up time, rather than forcing yourself to try and fall asleep at 10pm.

Pick a day with few responsibilities, (e.g. Saturday ) that way you won’t be too negatively impacted if you don’t get enough sleep. Set MULTIPLE alarms to 6am to force you out of bed; proceed with your day as normal, minimise screen time and bright lights after 9pm, and go to bed at 10pm.

Make sure you keep waking up at 6 am and don’t nap/go back to sleep; brute force your body to adapt. It should work as quickly as in 72hrs.

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This is the way! You gotta stick to it on the weekends. No exceptions.

Personally, I sleep in till 9 in the weekends. Wake up a mess early Monday. Mondays suck but it's still worth it gor me.

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Then i'm tired and less likely to power through interupting the interesting thing i'm doing at evening.

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Honestly, if you're working remotely, finding a job that has a better fitting schedule, is indeed a good idea. Moving there, though, might not work out as your body might drag you to the same sleeping patterns you had before.

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Anyone actually reading this and having similar issue, it can get expensive but try talking with a doc to try and figure it out. Before my habits got better, i tried diet/exercise, diagnosed with sleep apnea (didn't feel better rested, but def worse if I don't use cpap), and finally got way easier to manage when I was diagnosed with depression and prescribed. Ymmv but thought I'd share my experience.

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CPAP changed my life. Suffering from depression is a million times worse when you don't get sleep

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I don't understand everyone's problem with getting this sleep schedule. I, for one, clock exactly this. I go to bed at 10 AM and wake at 6 PM; just like it says!

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I showed my wife and she immediately told me 10 is late and 6 is sleeping in!! She's built different.

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Have you tried going to sleep at 10 and waking up at 6? It sounds obvious, but you'd be amazed at how many people never do the obvious thing. Like forgetting to plug in a computer and wondering why it doesn't come on when the power button is pressed.

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drathvedroreply
lemm.ee

Yes. Spent a month in a ward with a fixed regiment. Never got used to it, and my sleep cycles were all over the place. By the end of the month I was starving because I was missing so many meals, and it was overall torturous.

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lemm.ee

If you have the means, you might want to consider seeing a sleep specialist and having a sleep study done.

There's a lot of things that can cause irregular sleep cycles like that and a sleep specialist can see what your brain is doing while you're asleep. That helps you and your doctor figure out a treatment plan depending on what they see on the results.

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drathvedroreply
lemm.ee

I checked and it seems like in my area they only do checks that I already know the results of. Stuff like SpO2 analysis, or checks for snoring and sleep paralysis, which I don't have any problems with. I figured that I'm just drifting towards sleeping at somewhere around 6AM with the morning sunrise, and in the last years it was consistent across different time zones. I'm usually completely fine and working around this, and my workplaces thankfully had been quite loyal to me being consistently late as long as I got the job done, for which I always stayed last. It's just the stuff that is built for morning people that throws me off hard, like appointments at 9AM that I can only realistically meet by staying awake even later.

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Oh man that sounds rough. Sorry the specialists in your aren't equipped to check your REM cycles and things of that nature.

It sounds like a frustrating situation to live with and I'm not sure I have any advice other than ask your doctor about shift work disorder.

What you're experiencing sounds very similar to what happens to people who work 3rd shift for a long time and can't get their sleep schedule back on a day time=awake schedule.

Sleep issues are incredibly complex however and its something a doctor who has your medical history can better address, but having some terminology to describe your symptoms can help them help you. I hope you find a solution soon

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lemmy.today

Some of it is genetic but mostly it's conditioning, like in the Military.

EDIT: To clarify, veterans often (but not always) wake up before dawn consistently for decades after their service. I don't really recommend it as an option, but it's proof of concept.

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Yeah, I got the conditioning during college. Work 32 hours a week while taking 15 credits, you won't have time for sleep. Work 7:30am-4pm MWF, go right to campus for some homework and dinner before class 6pm-9pm. Then go home and do homework/sleep. Tu/Tr have class from 10am-2pm and work 3pm-7pm and then work on homework, housework, gym. You won't have the energy to stay up late.

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rf_
lemmy.world

I take a gummy, play an album in the background. Sleep like a baby.

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lemm.ee

Wake up eat. Gym. Eat. Go to work. Coffee. You'll get through the day but then crash around bedtime.

Swore gym before work would never work for me (tried it in uni also). But I was going to quit anyway and when I did it realised it worked for me.

You also need to change your drinking pattern to day drinking.

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Don't start drinking at 8pm start drinking at 8am. That way you can be in bed by 8pm and your sleep pattern is all good.

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When you spilled enough to see a self portrait you've had enough.

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leminal.space

OK, so what you want to do is stay awake for atleast 20 hours, sleep for like 5 hours then wake up, do this for a while then pick a time to go to bed, now you gotta drink some sleepy time tea, set a few alarms and fall asleep, you should sleep for about 8 hours, and wake up refreshed, now repeat this every night until you don't need the tea.

You gotta overload your circadian rhythm to reset it.

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Psythikreply
lemmy.world

Every time I try this, I usually just end up passing out at like 4pm and then just crashing until noon the next day. It never works. Making up for sleep debt, is what I like to call it.

The only thing that helps is getting a job that requires me to wake up at 1am, but even then my body still doesn't want to get up before 12pm on the weekends.

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There is a way to do it, but you need a lighter, an old clear lightglobe and a bag of meth.

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As others have said, it's simply a matter of discipline and getting used to it. But that doesn't necessarily mean you'll become a morning person. How you wake up and when you wake up are two different things. I'm a morning person in that I wake up easily, but I go to sleep at 1 and wake up at 9.

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For a real medical answer, I was, at one point, put on GHB and a Stimulant under the theory that an issue that took 9 years to diagnose (epilepsy, did not present typically). Since I had issues with cataplexy, which is only rarely seen with other issues, this made sense. Turns out it can be a side effect of some psych meds, as I'm also bipolar.

GHB knocks you out in moments, and you'll wake up 4 hours later. Time for the second dose. 4 more hours. Like fucking clockwork. It was the only time in my life I was consistently on time anywhere I've ever worked. Wasted in a Walmart auto shop.

Then stimulants (amphetamine analogue) were supposed to keep a narcoleptic awake during the day.

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lemmy.world

I just use an NFC tag.

Now I can't turn off my alarm unless I get up, leave my bedroom, and go to my living room to scan the NFC tag on my wall.

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I've tried both making puzzles for myself (like locking alarm off in a PC case) and math challenges. Both of those failed and were only inducing somnambulism in me.

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Get a herding dog... seriously mine keeps me on this sleep schedule. She tells me when to go to bed and is my alarm clock in the morning.

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It helps to establish a routine for going to bed. For example, set a nightly reminder on your phone 15-30 minutes before bedtime that it's time to wind things down. Don't have anything caffeinated after 5 pm or so.

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For me it was lockdown went to bed early after work out of sheer bordem. Still trying to break out of that routine.

Of course it doesn't help when my dog loves that routine and gets pissed off if not in bed by 8

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Adjust the times at which you eat, and make sure those times are consistent. Sleeping habits will follow way more easily if you adjust eating times along with them.

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Skip one night of sleep, go to bed at your target hour, pref an hour or two before.

wake up at 4 - 6 am

Go to bed at 9, fall asleep at 10

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Wandererreply
lemm.ee

It only works for men.

If women marry a man that sleeps in then he is lazy and needs to be woken up or he's a bum. If a woman marries a man and she sleeps in he's a dickhead if he doesn't let her get her beauty sleep and he's lazy if he goes to bed early.

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I go through this at the beginning of every school year. All it really takes is about two weeks of being forced to wake up at 6am.

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I am in my 60s now. I figure this will start to kick in any day now.

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sh.itjust.works

You are going to kill someone.

For anyone reading this - do not do this. There is a huge risk of aspirating on your own vomit and dying because you don't wake up due to the sleeping pill.

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For some people life will take a fat steaming shit on your schedule, I wish it was that simple.

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sh.itjust.works

That person here. Just force a yourself to get up at 6 for a few a weeks and your body will adjust. Also, use drugs to sleep.

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Eww gross. Who wants to sleep that long? My back would hurt everyday. Mid to 6am? Ok, but toss in a 1-6 every now and then

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