Yuzu emulator shutting down, paying Nintendo 2.4 million in lawsuit settlement
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The list of reasons why I refuse to buy Nintendo products is getting pretty hefty at this point.
What else?
Well there's the fact that they're selling switch release titles for full price 7 years later
If they can they will, it's how supply and demand works. It wouldn't work if people stopped paying so much for old games.
Yeah I mean that's literally what the original guy said. This is a reason not to buy their products.
Is it still supply and demand when the supply is infinite?
Yes, if there's no demand there would be no point in making the supply (the game)
We're talking about the prices of games that have already been made though. The supply of those specific games is infinite. We're talking about the prices of certain games (old ones), not all games that are being released now.
I do agree that it makes sense to Nintendo to sell the old games at a high price, but I think supply and demand is probably the wrong phrase.
I'm talking about supply AND demand. If there is infinite supply and zero demand, there would be no point to rerelease these titles. Or they'd bring the price down. This is basic knowledge. If they can get that price for it, they will keep selling it for that price. It's not rocket science.
I'm not defending the price, I've bought plenty and felt dirty doing so lol.
Exactly, and OP is saying they've decided to not contribute towards demand anymore
Tbh in a third world country, Nintendo is a very big luxury. I never imagined buying one at any point in my life. I will buy a steamdeck as soon as it launches in my country.
Yuzu fucked up. This is about more than the decryption. Yuzu's actions (copypasta from a fine redditor):
Yeah their problem was to make it a commercial operation. At that point it's trivial for Nintendo to show they've enriched themselves on the back of ripped ROMs by enabling them.
Whereas if you do everything for free and don't even accept donations, they'd have a big problem showing that you have any commercial interest and hence can be sued for damages.
Reverse engineering software (and even using small bits of proprietary code when required) in order to make it compatible with other hardware is fully legal (tons of precedent, for emulation specifically see Sega v Accolade and Sony v Connectix), and selling emulators commercially is also fully legal (Sega v Connectix was about a commercial Playstation emulator for the Mac, Sony v Bleem was about a commercial emulator for the PC and Dreamcast)
Nintendo's legal claims against Yuzu are completely untested and dubious at best, it's the threat of spending millions of dollars on lawyers that's very real and effective, they are yet again simply weaponizing the courts and the DMCA like all the other corpo scum before them
The problem is that this shit is a lot of work that we all benefit from... So how do we compensate the devs?
That's the neat part, you don't.
Same as any other type of internet piracy. I don't give money to some guy ripping his movies or games.
The only way to do things like this is anonymously for the shits and giggles. A Patreon to make it their job is one thing, but the fact that they can pay $2.4million shows it went beyond that.
Yeah fuck that. That's unsustainable and will only result in the end of piracy. We should feel bad for being leechers forever, imo. And we should strive to assist the causes we believe in, however we can.
On a similar note, I struggle to reconcile my contempt of Russian/Chinese policies with my adoration and support for piracy and the brave souls that maintain all the big projects we enjoy/rely on.
We don't, that's kinda the point. If you want to compensate the developers, you should buy their games.
How about the work of the devs that made the game...?
It's really just that they profited from it.
If it was more than just that, they would have, or will in the near future, go after Ryujinx or the many incoming forks of Yuzu.
Source on this?
Also saying that EA was being sold is false, they were shipping precompiled binaries with the EA branches for the patrons, they were actually using the people that paid them for testing lol.
If you used linux there was even an Aur package that built yuzu ea for you, which I quickly stopped using because EA was just the equivalent of the testing repo of archlinux, if you ever read their updates on their main discord, half the time the next EA release just removed a PR that broke something after release.
They only made progress reports once a month lol, and iirc the progress report for totk was several weeks after release even.
Nothing wrong here, even dolphin has a official apk on the playstore, and yuzu actually even released a non playstore apk for people like me with an ungoogled phone lol.
Bullshit, their logs only contain info about the hardware, which is something you need to debug lol, Ryu logs are the same.
I also want a source on this.
Very few of those are legally problematic, pretty much just the imagery, possibly GPL issues (but Nintendo wouldn't have standing for those), and due to copyright weirdness 3rd party online services for games which still have active online services (it shouldn't be, but that's how it's been interpreted)
Not enough for Nintendo to be able to force the project to stop, but they didn't want to fight it in court I assume
Damn, I modded my Switch JUST in time! Thanks for giving me the motivation, Nintendo!
The team behind Yuzu is different from ReSwitched and Atmosphere, so you were fine either way.
This just means Yuzu agrees to delete their copies of the tools they used and send Nintendo their hacked Switch consoles (probably to be destroyed).
Although the fact that these programs were named means that Nintendo's Eye of Sauron is on them - the extra attention makes me nervous. I definitely would have modded it this weekend if I hadn't already decided to last weekend.
There is no world where these tools exists and Nintendo does not know them. It's not some deep darknet secret lore hidden behind seven-VPN. Anything that happens online about emulation, all the company knows it exists and how it works. The threat never goes away.
I know, but there's a difference between "knows they exist" and "is naming them in legal documentation".
Good point.
Of these, I would only really be concerned about nxDumpTool, nxDumpFuse, and Lockpick_RCM as possible to come after using the same strategy, though. And even then, Lockpick_RCM was already taken down and mass redistributed.
It's not illegal to modify the hardware you own, and the rest of those aren't directly interacting with Nintendo's DRM-protected software. The only one that they could arguably go after is Atmosphère, but SciresM has held a very strong public pro-homebrew and anti-piracy stance which makes it extremely hard for Nintendo to argue that it's primary purpose is DRM circumvention.
I plan on making offline archives of Hekate and Atmosphère at some point, in either case.
Wait Yuzu were behind all the other tools?? Surely that was other people?
Pretty sure they're all by other people. Maybe they were hosting copies on their own server or something? Possibly they were just using them for Yuzu development.
I did not.... 😭
I imagine you'll still be able to do so for a while, if not forever. But probably worth doing it sooner rather than later if you're interested, just in case! Modding it has nothing to do with Yuzu, so I'm not sure why these other programs are involved.
Nintendo,
reinventing themselves as a law-suite company
which also publishes games on the side..
They are becoming Oracle...
They already are
More like the Disney of video games.
Which is an important distinction, and when people compare this to Oracle that just tells me they - lucky for them, tbh! - never had to actually deal with Oracle on a corporate level. Oracle is so much worse than Nintendo, Disney and Audi all put together.
Here ist the latest mainline Windows build: https://archive.org/details/yuzu-windows-msvc-20240227-120358cf6
You, sir/madam, are amazing.
Thx!! :) have a nice day!
In completely unrelated news, I now have a private repo on my private gitea that has a lot of c++ code
In even more unrelated news, does anybody know of some good spots to bury random flash drives containing a lot of C++ code?
I cloned main a few days ago but I heard a lot of tools got hit with this lawsuit so just main may not cut it.
Also pro move Nintendo. I have a switch and some switch games And wouldn't have gone through using yuzu but now so many more people know it exists.
Cool, how it's going with fixing current bugs? Switch 2 support is coming along nicely I assume?
I jest, but Nintendo didn't expect the current version of the project to disappear. They just wanted to stop further development, which will over time make it less relevant, and most importantly won't be a problem for Switch 2 games.
Is yuzu really going to "shut down"? I have it installed on my computer at least. And it's foss, no? So anyone can clone the repo.
Damn, the repo is already gone.
Here's my fork in case you want it: https://github.com/TxzK/yuzu. I'm sure some actively maintained forks will pop up eventually.
Be careful, now Nintendo is out for blood. I would get it off GitHub at the very least.
Take a look here for some potential alternatives: https://lemmy.world/post/12529718
Yeah good idea. Here you go https://codeberg.org/TxzK/yuzu
Has anyone made a backup of the Linux building guide? it points me to a 404 page.
I just uploaded a mirror of the wiki to https://codeberg.org/zarenki/yuzu-wiki/src/branch/master/Building-for-Linux.md
Downloaded it a week ago, so might not be the most recent change.
Thanks, you are a life saver. Have a Lemmy Lemon 🍋
Good thing you did this!
Hello, it's me Nintendo please pay me 2.4M bucks in damages from sharing those links, you vicious criminal 😭
MVP!
Fork the hell out of it guys,
preserve the code and let things cool off.
Then we eventually could see an active fork popping up.
Saving this for when I get home. Ty!
Thanks, cloned it to my homeserver
Lol, it's 21592 comments aheàd of roblabla/yuzu:master and 4.4k forks
Doesn’t matter if it’s gone, as long as it is available elsewhere, which of course it is.
A fork will most certainly pop up. I’m curious what this means for ryujinx development going forward.
They cannot truly shut down Yuzu, the open source project.
They can - and did - shut down Yuzu, the commercial for-profit company.
You can use the version you have already installed forever. Even reinstall over and over. Them shutting down won't stop it from working.
It's gone from the Play Store as well. Glad I managed to grab a copy of the early access version few days ago even though my phone isn't fast enough to run it full speed. I guess the money I paid for the early access version went to Nintendo.
Apkmirror has the APKs still
Does it has the early access version, or the regular version?
this guy has early access version for all platforms and providing anyone with it, just dm them.
I'm not sure. Worst case, you can compile it manually from one of the archive forks?
Need to track down the most up to date archive first. Maybe someone know where to look? This one doesn't seem to contain yuzu-android source code.
Ouch. Hopefully, someone has it installed and can share the APK. Or better yet, if somebody archived the entire org instead of just the yuzu repo.
I hope someone starts making an active fork while also providing a FDroid repository you can add.
If these guys were making money off their emulator then it's not surprising in the least that Nintendo gutted them.
Three trick to being a parasite is that you can't attract the hosts attention in any way. If you start eating the hosts food they goanna swat you.
What kinda fucken bootlicky head-ass take is that?
It's just how the world works mate. Call me names all you like but any company is going to sue you if you start making money off their IP.
Not really. I run a smaller emulation project (based out of Canada and have paid my fair share in preemptive lawyers who have all told me despite taking literally zero donations, the not for profit I set up can be can be sued for $$$ per player/download I get
Yeah but you don't have money to sue for
Yeah in that case they could shut you down, but they couldn't sue you for recompensation.
Well yeah but the existence of a not-for-profit means that there's some kind of benefit being provided to some class of people. If someone elses IP is involved in that and you're not paying for it then they might give you a cease and desist even if there's no money.
What you said is simply completely untrue
I don't care very much. You're the one telling the story but not providing any information.
The existence of a not-for-profit implies there's some value somewhere. If there's no value then you don't need the structure.
Tell any lawyer or CPA that you have a not-for-profit involved in intellectual property infringement and they will tell you the NFP is liable on that basis.
Thanks again for your inaccurate comment. I'm not sure why you insist on telling me to ask lawyers about things I literally said I paid lawyers for in my parent comment.
I've talked with lawyers who helped me navigate the subject, and spent over 1,000$ in fees to do so. What you said again, is false. Having a not for profit means neither myself nor my contributors can be easily punished directly for our work (excluding some logic about piercing the corporate veil, which is highly unlikely). The whole idea of legal entities is so they can take the legal risk and fall for risky business activities. The not for profit may fold and go bankrupt if sued, but that outcome is hundreds of times better than me being personally sued.
It's how legality in regards to something like emulators works. Emulation is not illegal, but profiteering from games being ripped and played without a legal license is. Which Yuzu did.
No, that's also not how it works. Reverse engineering and making a profit from your clone is legal. Breaking DRM for compatibility reasons is in fact exempted and legal too. Nintendos argument is that they broke DRM for piracy, but the tools can still be legal and legal precedence supports that
I think it's pretty accurate. Nintendo is super protective of their IP and they don't like others profiting from it in any way.
Bleem was also paid software. I think people are forgetting that, at the time, downloading software over the Internet wasn’t super common. Software was distributed with discs. In a box. At the store. Which sold things. For money.
I'm more than a little miffed that Nintendo has my Patreon dollars.
Teaches you not to donate to commercial companies like Yuzu, they can run their own show. Or couldn't, I suppose. 😅
You wanna believe I downloaded it as soon as this was announced. Been playing some Metroid Dread on a 32 inch monitor with a controller that doesn't cramp up my hands the past couple of days. Thanks for giving me the push I needed Nintendo! I might have just been happy with my Steam library instead.
Can you share the repo?
A user named kadu was offering it up to all in the earlier thread. He said it'd be available as long as he was around. Just DM him for the link.
So, are Yuzu developers actually have $2.4M lying around, or will they pay for it in installment like Gary Bowser?
they were making 30k/mo for a while, so for sure they can pay some of it off.
Some people estimates they net ~$1.2M on patreon so far. If that's the case they still ~$1.2M short.
Usually in a civil case you'd just settle for whatever money the devs had lying around.
The fact that they quickly agreed to this amount tells you all you need to know about how much money they - personally - made from the patreon.
No wonder Nintendo got this so easily, unlike the other emulators they went after. With that kind of cash, good luck arguing in front of a judge that you're not running Yuzu as a commercial business.
Yes it tells me all I need to know: that they don't care about the amount because they are going to declare bankruptcy anyway, since Yuzu is an LLC.
Good luck trying to "shut down" a open source software.. Still sucks tho, why Nintendo gotta make so good games but be so shitty of a company otherwise
Unfortunately Nintendo will happily chase anyone that distributes this as aggressively as Metallica chased people around in the Napster days.
Of course the tools will never be fully scoured.
At least with Metallica, we could laugh at the irony of a band regularly releasing songs about anarchy crying about piracy.
I've got a clone of it and am putting it up on IPFS
Seems like a silly thing to post on a massively public forum, but you do you
I'll sue them for stalking
Here is the latest stable build of Yuzu that I've got from 24 hours ago for anyone who wasn't able to download it in time.
Thank you, that's very considerate of you.
Is there any way to turn off Yuzu auto-update? I don't want my computer connecting to a website that Nintendo now owns every time I boot up Yuzu.
Good point. I added yuzu-emu.org and all its subdomains to my custom blocklist in adguard for now. Alternatively you can put yuzu-emu.org, api.yuzu-emu.org and profile.yuzu-emu.org on your host file to block them.
Assuming you're using Windows: https://www.howtogeek.com/784196/how-to-edit-the-hosts-file-on-windows-10-or-11/
Point its domain at 127.0.0.1.
You can do the same on Linux by editing
/etc/hostsEdit the computer hosts file to resolve yuzu-emu.org to 0.0.0.0 or 127.0.0.1? That will stop it from connecting, at least.
I got all the latest builds of Yuzu, which will I will soon upload to Mega, but it didn't occur to me to download the tools.
That's nuts.
No, it's a citrus fruit.
Uh...
Ok, so I’m not gonna buy anything from Nintendo anymore. Got it.
You already didn't.
Let's be real here, they weren't shut down for being an emulator, they were shut down for charging money and making bank, while also planning a parallel paid online service. All the other emulator projects are trucking along just fine, even if Nintendo hates some of them for decades by now.
Exactly. Ryujinx is fine, so if you're already morally fine pirating you can - happily, I suppose - go ahead. Emulators for Nintendo stuff are a dime a dozen, and Nintendo isn't doing shit about them.
Unless they make one for commercial purposes. See also: R4 cards.
Ryujinx is still around, also fuck Nintendo even thought I had bought all the games I play on Yuzu from here on out if I ever buy a Nintendo console it will be only if there is a method to pirate games on that shit. They don't deserve my money cause their hardware is shit it was 5 years outdated when the switch came out. I want to play my games at 60 FPS and without my eyes bleeding due to the shit resolution and anti-aliasing. So if they want my money they need to pull a Sony and release their games on pc!
Welp. I guess it's time to pirate double that in Nintendo IP.
I'm just sorry for them. 2.4M dollars? How will they ever pay this? Do you think they will actually have to pay it fully?
They won't, they are an LLC. They can declare bankruptcy and close down the company. The actual people behind it are not responsible for paying, the company is.
I vote they put up a GoFundMe. They deserve the world and Sintendo decided to throw their slimy tentacles all over them.
If they went to trial they could have been blasted for way more. + Legal fees.
It's a bummer, but don't feel sorry for them. It was clear violation, they knew they were on thin ice, or should have known.
Violation of what?
Are you serious? You think the yuzu team is paying 2.4 mil for fun?
It's quite clear that emulation of Nintendo's private product is illegal and against tos.
Did I really need to explain that to you?
Edit you may have your opinion on IP law, but that's just an opinion . There's no way these devs didn't know they were in a grey area, at minimum.
Nintendo's ToS doesn't mean anything to people who never agreed to it. Someone can buy a fusee-vulnerable Switch and use tools to dump the
prod.keysand legally-purchased cartridges without ever agreeing to a single thing.Yuzu absolutely went into a gray area with not exclusively using pre-decrypted ROMs. That's where they opened themselves up to Nintendo's argument in the lawsuit.
Using a digital product comes with a tos. When you turned on the console the first time you agreed to it. When you used the cloud services you agreed.
The point is that the hypothetical user never used the console's ToS-encumbered software. Fusee bypasses the bootloader and jumps straight into a user-provided payload, which doesn't have any terms attached to it. Those payloads are capable of dumping
prod.keysand the data off the cartridges to an SD card.I mean, yeah, sure. If you never ever actually booted the Switch OS or any games on your emulator, you were never subject ot the ToS. I would wager that's a tiny minority of users though, no?
And are the cartridges not Nintendo IP?
It's not.
What is illegal - and what got the Yuzu team who blindly ran into it like idiots despite people warning them about this since ~forever - is making bank from emulating others' hardware.
In this case, Yuzu made so much money from their patreon that they created an LLC to handle the cash flow. That part in particular made it trivial for a rightsholder - like Nintendo - to show commercial purpose behind the Yuzu project and hence take its developers to court. It's how they got import injunctions against stuff like the R4 cards, too. Showing commercial purpose is trivial when bloody Amazon is selling your bloody physical product. Or in this case, if there's a whole LLC just to manage all the money you're making and blowing on coke/hookers (I don't even want to know how much money they siphoned off personally if Nintendo could instantly make them agree to >2 mil, they must have a lot of millions around).
That it is, but that's only grounds for losing online access and shit. Not the same thing as being open to a broadside from Nintendo's lawyers.
No, they were fully aware they were in fully illegal territory, IMO.
They have been warned about this frequently since they started their patreon, and recently there was some R4-like action with Switch emulator cards. Which again led to the whole commercial-vs-free discussion for emulators, and they doubled down on their approach and made a company.
IMO, what actually happened is that they set a ton of money aside (we can estimate they got 1.2mil, but I would estimated it at 2x++ that based on how quickly they accepted). They knew Nintendo would eventually sue them. They got the 2.4mil recompensation offer, this is significantly less than they actually made. And hid. So they're instantly accepting it to "cash out" the rest.
I doubt it's alot of millions. Their Patreon was earning 30'000$ per month.
It's likely that being a company they can manage this in a way that one indvidual couldn't.
I wouldn't call it a clear violation of 17 U.S.C. 1201, but it was a plausible one. I do agree that they would have been blasted for legal fees trying to figure that part out, however.
Nintendo had a leg to stand on, but it was highly dependent on whether the judge would find an emulator's primary purpose to be DRM prevention. A good judge that does research into the subject likely wouldn't find it to be the case, since the primary purpose is emulation and decrypting game titles is only a small part of that. Ending up with a luddite or corporate shill judge is always a huge risk, though.
Japanese IP law IIRC, not american.
They sued under the DMCA, though?
Uh, the takedown was not caused by this mad lad reporting to nintendo, wasn't it?
Definitely not. You'd have to be naive to think Nintendo wasn't aware of Yuzu since long, long, long before this.
Seriously, especially with all of the early leaks. That person was so self-important they decided to try to get Nintendo to take Yuzu down; it makes sense that they would also think they were the ones that caused it when Nintendo finally took action.
Exactly. People seem to think this is some short-term development, but you can bet that ever sinze Yuzu created it's LLC Nintendo was fully, 100%, planning on doing this, it was just the lawyers figuring out how to word things exactly so that it is completely bulletproof.
What an absolute self absorbed scumbag...
That was fast.
Glad I haven't bought anything Nintendo since the Wii.
They could disappear for all I care.
Personally never bought anything nintendo cause I'm on the younger side, and by the time switch came to my country it was already too old and expensive for me to even consider it.
I'm sure something else will eventually come along. The only way to stop emulators from existing is to not have a system at all. I.e., if Nintendo were to stop making video game hardware, then there would be no new emulators except for ones developed for previous/existing hardware.
Ryujinx hasn't gone anywhere.
It probably will soon. They have a Patreon and also use
prod.keysto decrypt games, and now Nintendo knows they can succeed on forcing settlements over this.Their problem is - as always with this - the fact that they accept money for it. Granted in Ryujinx's case Nintendo has a far far far bigger barrier to climb as they weren't idiots who created a whole bloody LLC for it, which trivially proved commercial interest.
You have to use prod.keys, don't you? There shouldn't be anything illegal about using prod.keys as long as you don't distribute the file.
Decrypting the ROM ahead of time and requiring that to be used would be the safe alternative.
It would require a separate tool to do that first, but decoupling the steps would prevent Nintendo from going after the much-harder-to-develop emulator using the argument they used here. If they kill the decryption tool, another one pops up.
I don't know if this would 'satisfy' them (I know it wouldn't, I'm referring strictly to the legal stuff). From what I've heard, the point Nintendo was making wrt the encryption is that aquiring
prod.keysin any way, shape or form is illegal. Of course, creating an emulator for a system that only runs games that contain encryption which can only be undone withprod.keysrequires the developers to have this file. Since they've successfully made an emulator, this implies that the Yuzu team has in fact obtained a copy of this file and done something naughty.The problem is that, regardless of whether or not the decryption happens in Yuzu or in another completely separate program, modern Nintendo games do not come unencrypted. This means that someone at some point has to decrypt the files, and thus has to use
prod.keysto do so. According to Nintendo, using and creating any emulator for a modern system requires someone to do something illegal at one point in the chain, and therefore emulation (by parties not explicitly authorized by Nintendo) cannot legally exist.I say that Nintendo should piss off after I've bought something from them and that I should be allowed to do with my property as I please, but even the most legally and morally correct way to emulate is not okay with them.
This raises the following question: if Nintendo does not respect in the slightest our property rights by pulling such stunts, why should we as end users respect their intellectual property rights? Why go through all the effort of clean room reverse engineering a console instead of blatantly copying as much of the official code base as possible if the legal system punishes you all the same? Why limit yourself to only emulating games you personally ripped from your own cartridges if the act of ripping has already placed your actions into the "illegal" category?
The emulator itself doesn't necessarily have to exist only to run retail games. It could be used to develop or debug homebrew and marketed as such. They wouldn't even need to have decrypted the operating system to understand it, as Atmosphère is a complete reimplementation untainted by Nintendo code.
If it ran retail games as a consequence of being accurate to real hardware, that would just be a happy accident. And as long as the developers don't acknowledge running retail games and don't directly assist in fixing them, they have plausible deniability.
I'm a big fan of the "buy a game and crack it right after" philosophy. Respect property rights until something is in one's legitimate possession, and then remove any encumbrances preventing it from being used in the way the purchaser wanted.
Ryujinx devs are probably sweating right now. Might want to grab the latest version in case it goes away soon.
Ryujinx still exists...though probably not for long.
Now that yuzu is gone they're going to be rolling in theoretical money.
Of course it's selfish bullshit with these assholes... They could try to buy one of these programs, or hire the devs so maybe they could (checks notes) offer games to PC players that pirate them because we refuse to buy multiple hundred dollar consoles for one goddamn game.
But why do that? You could just get a one time payment and then do it all again when the next emulator comes along... Assholes
I'm not sure how it'll work since I'm sure no one wants to be sued over a commit, but you pretty obviously can't kill an open source project so easily.
Nintendo would need to prove that you had and ran the tools locally which is damn near impossible to do. I could create a commit without even opening the solution or compiling it.
It would also put Nintendo up shit creek by turning the entire FOSS community against them.
They kinda already did with this lawsuit. With this, no emulator is safe.
A lawyer on the ![email protected] thread mentioned that a settlement doesn't set a precedent, so they're safe from that at least.
Nintendo's argument also doesn't apply to emulators that only work with pre-decrypted ROMs. Anything older than a PS3 doesn't have encryption at all.
Given that other emulators are now taking down their public facing websites, im not too sure. Hope Im wrong. Going to upvote because Im hoping they are right.
Mind sharing the links?
I know Ryujinx stopped accepting people into their Discord, but that's all I'm aware of at the moment.
citrix is gone too. Im at work and im sure a complete list will be available after all this.
Citra and Yuzu were made by the same people, no? Makes sense that they would also pull that.
No, they largely will go after people hosting and distributing the tools. Running it privately is obviously not legal, but wouldn't rise beyond Nintendo trying to ban you from stuff.
The GitHub repo (source code) for Yuzu now returns 404. It used to be here: https://github.com/yuzu-emu/yuzu
Ok but where is the new repo? 😂
https://lemmy.zip/comment/7971207
This guy made a public archive.
Well, I think I now need to dowload this.
You can't officially download it anymore.
If you're familiar with compiling things, there are backup forks everywhere, though.A lovely Lemming posted an archive.org link to download the last builds in other comments here.I'm really on the fence now on buying a console in the future. I've always bought the latest iteration and multiple games from Nintendo.
But they are turning into some lawyered slimy multi billion corporation feeding the orphan crushing machine.
If they don't operate with ethics, then neither should I.
Just FYI, Nintendo has always behaved this way. You can find stories about Nintendo suing and shutting down rom distributors for as long as roms have existed. They've also completely shut down several fan-made Pokémon games and tried going after rom hackers. They've also had a very long history of keeping their IPs completely exclusive to their platform and of reselling the same game on multiple platforms instead of allowing for backwards compatibility.
Nintendo has ALWAYS aggressively pursued IP infringement, it's not out of greed but rather that if they don't, Japanese IP law means they might lose the exclusive rights.
Anyone part of the oldschool emulation scene knows this. This isn't a new thing, and its not them being slimy.
I just made this decision and ended up getting an EM780, it's a gaming APU PC that fits in the palm of your hand and uses an improved version of the chip in the steam deck.
It's so cute!
That's wild. But I guess I'm not surprised since the emulator was really good and the system is still out there selling
Rip yuzu
It's not like they aren't making money off of their games
Japan has some pretty convoluted IP laws, if Nintendo doesn't aggressively pursue ANY whiff of IP infringement, they might lose their exclusive rights. From what I hear this mainly has to do with bios and copy protection technology.
So hypothetically, if it can be proven that Nintendo is aware of an infringer and does nothing, then they might lose their protections.
Interesting, it's like they're back to the samurai Honor system lol
I think it is more likely that both policies arose from a fundamental aspect of Japanese culture that has persisted through the ages, flowers from the same tree, so to speak.
Are nintendo roms pretty much always going to be publicly preserved and seeded?
Yes. And quite possibly even harder just out of spite.
Excellent 🫱🫲
Would be a shame I git clone the repository before it gets taken down.
It got taken down a few hours ago.
I cloned it last week when the news first broke.
It's time to switch to android only, probably
That makes zero sense, but ok
Why?
Cause games cost like 1/10 and are almost the same?